NW Missouri St. offers gender-neutral housing

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

"The university began offering the housing plan this fall after a request from some transgender students." -- So the university chose to give preferential treatment to one group of students over another. I believe that's discrimination.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Its not discrimination when you are doing it against the majority. In fact, it is encouraged by the liberals.

asb 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It's not preferential, it's an accomodation. How does it establish a preferred anything. Most universities have gender neutral dorms anyway.

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Special housing for 35 students out of 7,000 equals preferential treatment. Handicapped students are accommodated. Besides how does one achieve equality through segregation?

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The article clearly states it's open to all students, if it were limited to only transgendered then it would be preferential.

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

"transgender students who sought the policy" -- I don't care how you spin it, the policy is designed by and for a specific group. The article doesn't lie and you still fail to answer my question about achieving equality through segregation.

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

And I don't care how you spin it, it's co-ed housing open to all students. Doesn't matter who suggested it. Would you view it differently if it was suggested by straight college boys wanting co-ed housing? Or by straight girls? No, you are calling it preferential just because it was suggested by transgender students. Would you even bothered to comment if the story would have said just "students who sought the policy"? It's just another housing choice the students now have, plain and simple.

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

All your questions are hypothetical. The fact is transgender students requested to be isolated from the rest of the students. You can if, and, or but all day but it doesn't change what is written in this story.

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

You are correct in the fact is transgender students requested the new housing environment. But no where in the story does it state they requested to be isolated. The new housing is open to all students. So the new housing will consist of heterosexuals, homosexuals, transgendered of both sexes. Big leap to consider that isolation.

eileen10 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm liberal and I don't agree with this at all. No preferential treatment should be given. It could escelate into a variety of things such as white only, gay only, democrat only and I can hear the screaming if what they want is turned down.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It might threaten the "sanctity of marriage" too...

tonto_goldberg 6 months, 2 weeks ago

You are not liberal because the essence of liberalism is leaving people alone who are not causing you a problem. Offending your delicate sensibilities is not really causing you a problem.

connor 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Your not liberal eileen just mis-informed and misguided. Come young padwan I will teach you.

eileen10 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I don't know what the heck I am. I guess I don't fit into anything compared to how people view what a liberal is supposed to think. I think for myself without all the lables.

tonto_goldberg 6 months, 2 weeks ago

You have to be taught who to hate but you don't need to hate anyone. Walk away from that, and form your own opinions based on facts you can gather from unbiased news sources. If that doesn't work you could read both sets of biased sources and consider the plausibility of what they are saying.

eileen10 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Oh goodness. I don't hate anyone. And I don't hate any group of people or anything else. What I find confusing is the he said she said so I do a lot of looking at various sources. I'm sure you know I'm not well versed with political things. I don't comment on many things because Ihave no knowledge of, well, tons of stuff. Most times I just shake my head and read what people are saying and stay out of the conversation. I have personal opinions of course and I can see what is truth and what isn't but I just read and stay out of it because I see no sence in arguing with people who aren't going to care what I think. Saves me a headache and sour stomach.

cinkisses 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The thing is eileen that the new living arrangements do not discriminate to what you "are". Anyone can come into the dorms as a resident. It presents another oppertunity for living arrangements. No where in the article does it say "Gay only" or "Transgendered only" (read up they aren't always used interchangably).

eileen10 6 months, 2 weeks ago

That makes sense. I know the difference but what I saw in my mind was all holy hell breaking loose due to the request. I'm not there so I don't know if this will hinder or help but I get so tired of people who are seen as "different" getting beaten, called names and even killed. The post I made earlier did'nt look good I guess but I was thinking more of if transgenders ask for special housing it could bring about any number of people demanding this or that which could cause all kinds of problems. Hopefully I'm over reacting. What ever is best and will turn out okay is a good thing.

TickledPink 6 months, 2 weeks ago

This isn't transgendered only, it's more a co-ed dorm. Where do you put someone who has the anatomy of a man but lives life as a woman? I actually think this is the only logical solution.

Timothy 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. ....who are you to judge your neighbor? We have brothers and sisters born with physical traits of both genders. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

dokeus6 6 months, 2 weeks ago

because he is a republican. They can do whatever they feel like doing. Cast aspersions, complain, moan until they get their way but if someone else raises an objection to the way that they do things, heaven forbid stay out of my life.

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

".who are you to judge your neighbor?" -- Exactly right. Who are transgender to judge the other 6,970 students?

Independence 6 months, 2 weeks ago

How again are they judging them?

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

By coming up with policy to segregate themselves because of their differences. I am gay, you are not, I need special housing to separate myself from you. It's pretty simple.

MO4LIFE 6 months, 2 weeks ago

what part of "housing is open to all" are you not understanding. Oh yeah i forgot Republicans don't care about facts. Carry on...

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

If the dorms were "open to all" to begin with, then what's the point of the policy? Would Lincoln University designate a "white" room policy in the name of "more flexibility" with a contingency that "anyone" can live there? It will never happen, nor should it.

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The gender-neutral housing allows male and female to share the same room or apartment, which is not allowed in other co-ed housing. Which explains why most participating are living with cousins or siblings. Most co-ed housing at Universities is by floor, male on one floor, females on another, but in the same building.

Independence 6 months, 2 weeks ago

No, the dorms weren't "open to all" to begin with. They are either open to men, or women. They are currently segregated by sex. Your analogy with Lincoln is backwards. These individuals petitioned for co-ed dorms. The fact that they are gay, lesbian, etc., is irrelevant to the housing issue.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The hated of the transgendered toward their normal classmates is quite apparent.

Timothy 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Do you personally know any of these people? And your statement makes no sense.

cinkisses 6 months, 2 weeks ago

How is it hatred to want to live with like minded people where you feel comfortable. Then I suppose fraternities are full of hatred as well seeing as they don't let just anyone live with them, only the ones that they choose.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Esxcluding others just because they are different is not an act of loving acceptance..

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

What national charter does the transgender belong to? How do they pledge? What community service to they provide?

cinkisses 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Oh so because its not chartered national discrimination its different? If you read the article ANYONE can live in the community. EVERY student should have a place that they feel comfortable living, no one is forcing other students to live here, and it allows for someone who may be different by "the majoritys" standard to have a safe and accepting place to live. What harm is that doing anyone.

MO4LIFE 6 months, 2 weeks ago

@ cinkisses agree

tonto_goldberg 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It's fear, and a safe solution to a much more practical problem. If a transgendered person goes into a bathroom where there are "straight" people they are liekly to get yelled/screamed at or beaten.

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Do not march in a parade holding up signs demanding equality then turn around and request special arrangements to segregate yourself from the very people you're telling to accept your values. Either we're equal or we're not.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It's crazy, isn't it?

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

"You will have to excuse me, I'm due back on planet earth." -- Woody Allen

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

What part of "open to all students" do you not understand? All the students equally have a choice to live in the new co-ed housing. So the very same male students a transgendered boy would be living with in all male housing could also choose the new co-ed housing. So it's not segregating from people, it's just a different type of living environment.

Sequoia 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Lifer and Spel, you guys are SO fake. You don't think people can see through what you're doing here?

You guys don't give a care about transgendered people. All you want to do is criticize them.

Now that it is not politically correct to state outright that people in a minority are not as good or overtly discriminate against them, you guys are on a campaign to make them be quiet.

Diversity and equality means celebrating our differences, not hiding them. We all get to be the person we want to be. We get to choose where we want to live. Gender neutral housing is not discriminatory, just like it is not discriminatory to allow men and women to choose the single-sex dorms that are available.

That's America. We're all different. You'll be okay, I promise.

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Sequoia can read minds now. Amazing.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Oh my, another personal attack! Better not let Rick see this one!

I care about transgendered people and I care about all people. That is it- they are people. What I don't care about is certain groups of people wanting something better than others. I don't like excusionary policies. I especally don't like for our government to spend my tax dollars to give a group of people their own stuff, even though the same group cries regularly that they want equality and equal treatment.
Yes, we all have differences, but we are all people. This is quite opposite of bigotry.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I was surprised Rick let the one directed at me on Sunday evening go? Rob

asb 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Doesn't take a mind reader to see overt bigotry.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Free your mind, the rest will follow.

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Show me one example of my bigotry on this thread. My argument has clearly indicated my desire for "transgender" to practice what they preach. None of this do as I say not as I do. As usual, you and others go on personal attack and tell others what's really in their hearts because what's being put on the thread can't really be what the other is really thinking. Liberal modus operandi.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Crickets...

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Don't go chasing waterfalls.

tonto_goldberg 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Some much-needed perspective - it in the University's website.

A. Tower Suites has two buildings with a combined total of 61 two-bed units and 58 four-bed units.

B. Forest Village has three separate apartment buildings with a combined total of 42 four-bed units and 12 two-bed units.

These rooms and suites are not available to freshmen. Students must be over 18 and apply for the gender neutral program. The number of students in a group must fill the room or suite. They have 35 students in the whole gender neutral program.

I am guessing they do not have 35 transgender students at any level in all of northwest Missouri.

connor 6 months, 2 weeks ago

So let me see if I understand this correctly. NWMOS is offering up dorm rooms for Co-ed living if the student signs up as transgendered? The number 35 is spread around which kinda indicates that they have 35 transgendered students. I find that claim suspect especially when combined with the claim "most students participating are cousins, brothers, sisters and friends".

Well that statement kinda covers all the bases doesn't it?

So we have a program designed for a few but can now be used by "anyone" as long as they claim to be "transgendered" to circumvent other gender based dormitory policies.

YAAAA that's not gonna be misused is it?

Now I wonder how much money is being thrown at this little endeavor, how much extra Federal cash grants come with bogus transgendered participation by heterosexual students misusing the system and how much preference is going to be given for better dorm rooms to these transgendered sign up students over those who don't wish to participate.

Once again another example of spending money for minor benefits of the few and starving the many to pay for it.

And we wonder why tuition keeps going up.

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Please show me where it states that gender neutral is equal to transgendered. The way I see it, gender neutral is equivalent to co-ed. The students must apply to live in the co-ed housing units. The request for this type of housing came from transgendered students. No where does it even imply that gender neutral is transgendered.

connor 6 months, 2 weeks ago

As I read it it mixes the two together. It mentions the program was asked for by transgendered but then says it's for gender-neutral. I am as confused as you are I guess.

connor 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I guess the real confusion for me stems from the part about the Transgendered students wanting more flexibility which implies they couldn't get that from normal gender-neutral housing? It tells me that the transgendered are somehow getting special choices and/or selection within this program. Perhaps you read it differently.

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Typically Universities with have co-ed housing but by floor only. Meaning males and females do not room on the same floor, just the same building. My take on this gender-neutral housing is it will be co-ed period. Meaning male and female can share the same room.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Why shouldn't any student be allowed to share the same room with any other student? Why to transgendered students get this special privelige? Why is it the university's business who sleeps with whom? Why can't the transgendered students just get a private apartment?

So many questions and so much wrong with this whole article and policy.

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

You still aren't getting it. ALL students can apply for this housing. It is not restricted to transgendered, so there is no special privilege.

dokeus6 6 months, 2 weeks ago

No one is reading that portion of the article. They are seeing the transgender part and that's it. It amazes me that most of the people that have posted on this subject want the government out of their lives but they are more than willing to interject their voices in other's lives. Kind of hypocritical isn't it?

eileen10 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It says right in the article that it's open to all students but more than likely no one who is prejiduce will want to move in.That means it should be a safe zone, I hope, for transgender students or just anyone who would feel better in a gender neutral place. I read the article a few times and there is a ?????aspect but I guess it's a wait and see kind of thing.

asb 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It's weirdos asking fer somthin' what more do you need? It's an encroachment on us nermal folk by those perverts, helped by the gov'ment agitators tryin' to destroy Christian America.

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

You still aren't getting it. If ALL students can apply then what's the point of the policy? If it's already open to all then what's the need for 35 transgendered students to create a housing policy for all? This idea is void of logic.

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Seriously. Read the article and think about it. There are not 35 transgendered students. There are 35 students participating in the new housing. The new policy is to allow male and female students to share the SAME room or apartment. A policy which they did not have before. The policy has nothing to do with being transgendered, it was merely suggested by transgendered students. Why are some of you having such a hard time grasping this? The article is very short and clear. First line "About 35 students are participating in a new gender-neutral housing initiative". Does that say 35 transgender students? No it does not. Second sentence - "The university began offering the housing plan this fall after a request from some transgender students but it is open to all students. The policy allows male and female students to choose to live together." Clearly states the request came from transgendered students, but will be open to all students and that the policy allows male and female to live together. Was this policy already existing? NO it was not. You all are trying to make assumptions and read more into this article than there is, simply because it was requested by transgendered students. If you people can't grasp the simple concept of it by now, there's no point in trying to explain it any further.

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

What does the last sentence in the article above say?

jcguy25 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It says the transgendered students that requested the policy wanted more flexibility. There is still no reference to the 35 students being all transgendered, it's merely referring back to the fact that the policy was requested by transgendered students and the reason why they requested it. Very clear. You're still reading more into the article than what it states.

connor 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I am familiar with how colleges and universities used to handle co-ed dorms.

I guess you can take it however you want but from what I am reading this program is a sham and definitely not what it is claiming. If I was betting on it just from the information I have seen I would say some two or three people are getting a new job with plenty of benefits. There is one room now occupied by a brother/sister duo, one room with a pair of cousins, one room for a transgendered student that no one has agreed to pair with yet and 15 rooms filled with heterosexual "Friends" with benefits. Well maybe 14 rooms of hetero's and 1 with a lesbian couple but that wouldn't be mixed would it.

More money wasted where it didn't need to be and three more education incomes is the total effect IMO.

asb 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I think you should read the article again. a group of transgender students asked for a portion of existing student housing to be designated gender neutral. We don't know if any other housing is already room-by-room gender neutral, but clearly there weren't enough, if any, such rooms. Not one dime needs to be spent to do this. Any student can live there. There is no plot afoot, no socialist federal grant waste needed, and nothing but your continued assumption that there must be SOMETHING wrong with the process if TGs are asking for the designation.

JCLifer 6 months, 2 weeks ago

This is Missouri, part of the Ozarks. What is wrong with living with your brother or your cousin? What if your Dad or your Mom were going to college and they wanted to live with you?

I don't get what the big deal is. Just let people live where they want and get rid of all these stupid rules.

connor 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Eh nothing wrong with it. I honestly don't care one way or another who lives with whom or what they do. I do care about wasting money on it though and the whole thing reeks of government grants and paid staff regardless of how the Liberal Conglomerate on this forum tries to claim otherwise and imply bigoted reasons in questioning the whole thing.

I agree get rid of the stupid rules and stop the needless funding.

Even if there is no outward grants immediately attached tot his program you can bet your posterior there is one available for those "Transgendered friendly" schools.

Sequoia 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Don't forget that students pay for this housing.

I'm not sure what "needless funding" you're talking about. You're making up something to whine about... your entire post is you being upset at a hypothetical you constructed yourself. Fake. You're not being persecuted by these students. No one is taking your precious pennies. Get over it.

connor 6 months, 2 weeks ago

As usual one of the Liberal conglomerate has to jump in with the personal attacks. Classy as always.

The students pay for the housing with government money from grants and students loans (the loans that now make up as much in unsecured debt as credit cards and suffer massive default rates). So no in the end many of them are not the one's actually paying for it and even if they get around to paying the loans off with seized income tax checks it is years down the road.

I am sure pretending to be the champion of the imaginary weak while spending other people's money gives you a thrill akin to a Mathew's leg tingle. You don't even have to leave your computer for it so it is convenient for you.

dokeus6 6 months, 2 weeks ago

My question about this whole topic is what does this have to do with life in Jefferson City? Is there a federal court case about this that will have a direct affect on how people live their lives?

"The university began offering the housing plan this fall after a request from some transgender students but it is open to all students. The policy allows male and female students to choose to live together."

This statement says it all to me. The policy allows male and female students to choose to live together and it's open to all students. Not just transgender. Why is it that someone is different that they are being single out in this topic? Oh I know, because it gives the religious conservative right more to complain and moan about. It would be different if the policy was not open to ALL students but just a few.

What is the religious right of this state going to say when pot is legalized in other states?

eileen10 6 months, 2 weeks ago

There's a bit more info. at newspressnow.com. It seems all is well. No screaming or accusations of any kind.

eileen10 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I typed "transgender" in the search box to get me there.

soxfan 6 months, 2 weeks ago

all of this talk for 35 students--wow- don l

spelchek 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Separate but equal.

3633 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Co-ed or whatever you want to call has been at several universities forever, so whats the beef all about?????????????????????? America is not decaying, people keep saying all these negative things and life is moving on, let's not get stuck on Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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