Eurozone slides back into recession

LONDON (AP) — The 17-country eurozone has fallen back into recession for the first time in three years as the fallout from the region’s financial crisis was felt from Amsterdam to Athens.

And with surveys pointing to increasingly depressed conditions across the 17-member group at a time of austerity and high unemployment, the recession is forecast to deepen, and make the debt crisis — which has been calmer of late — even more difficult to handle.

Official figures Thursday showed that the eurozone contracted by 0.1 percent in the July to September period from the quarter before as economies including Germany and the Netherlands suffer from falling demand.

The decline reported by Eurostat, the EU’s statistics office, was in line with market expectations and follows on from the 0.2 percent fall recorded in the second quarter. As a result, the eurozone is technically in recession, commonly defined as two straight quarters of falling output.

The eurozone economy shrank at annual rate of 0.2 percent during the July-September quarter, according to calculations by Capital Economics.

“The eurozone economy will continue its decline in Q4 and probably well into 2013 too — a good backdrop for another debt crisis,” said Michael Taylor, an economist at Lombard Street Research.

Because of the eurozone’s grueling three-year debt crisis, the region has been the major focus of concern for the world economy. The eurozone economy is worth around $12.1 trillion, which puts it on a par with the U.S.. The region, with its 332 million people, is the U.S.’s largest export customer, and any fall-off in demand will hit order books.

While the U.S has managed to bounce back from its own recession in 2008-09, albeit inconsistently, and China continues to post strong growth, Europe’s economies have been on a downward spiral — and there is little sign of any improvement in the near-term. Last week, the European Union’s executive arm forecast the eurozone’s economy would shrink 0.4 percent this year. Then only a meager 0.1 percent growth in 2013.

The eurozone had avoided returning to recession since the financial crisis following the collapse of U.S. investment bank Lehman Brothers, mainly thanks to the strength of its largest single economy, Germany.

But even that country is now struggling as exports drain in light of the economic problems afflicting large chunks of the eurozone.

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spelchek 6 months ago

And this is what the donks want to mold themselves after.

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tonto_goldberg 6 months ago

The conservatives have been preaching austerity as the answer to our ecnomic problems. You can see already that it doesn't work.

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tonto_goldberg 6 months ago

Wrong. We tried it in 1937, when the president and congress got more concerned about the deficit than about the economy. The US went backwards into renewed economic shrinkage for a couple years while Europe continued to recover. Now while the US economy is still recovering slowly, Europe tries austerity and is surprised when it leads to recession.

Do we want to try it as well? The math doesn't change.

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connor 6 months ago

Oh My Tonto has been browsing the Cleftwing political sites this afternoon. FDR's progressive spending did nothing but prolong the Great (Now Second Greatest) Depression. The 37 spending cuts were a mere 600 million and followed tax increases from 36 that obviously didn't work although they did reduce the deficit by 2.1 billion the depression continued. Why? Because the increased taxes hurt even more. Also it was FDR's Treasury secretary that pushed for austerity the most.

Cleftwing political sites will lead to brain damage and reduced historical perspective one should avoid them at all cost if they don't have the previous experience to resist the revisionist propaganda.

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tonto_goldberg 6 months ago

ME: Graduate studies in economics. YOU:?

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connor 6 months ago

BA's in Sociology and History. MA in American History.

Oh and your so called 37 austerity is a joke anyway because other than amounting to less than 36's spending 1937 spent more than all the other years of the depression. Something Liberals and especially Liberal indoctrinated economist seem to forget. A reduction in increase is not a decrease.

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Paroquet 6 months ago

Graceful? SBSA: Move. There are lots of other countries.

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tonto_goldberg 6 months ago

Do you secessionist folks really want to face the national guard, the police dogs, and the fire hoses armed with your placards, your torches, and your pitchforks?

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JCLifer 6 months ago

Oh, we will be armed a whole lot better than that. However arms wont be needed if the divorce is peaceful. There is no need to get ugly.

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connor 6 months ago

Who needs arms or even riots for that matter. Who needs factories, call centers or corporate headquarters?

All of rural America is RED except for a bewildering few counties along the upper Mississippi and some Indian reservations.

There are no Blue states only a few urban blue enclaves.

All we rural dwellers have to do is stop producing and let nature take it's course.

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asb 5 months, 4 weeks ago

Oh secessionist dreams. Peaceful. All the corporate farms will shut down to force the helpless entitled to give up their votes. All the corporate factories will shut down to deny the evil left their magic boxes. Oh, wait, you'll need government services . . . you could get red volunteers, or charitable donations for you road crews and army. You surely wouldn't use taxes, would you? Your starving will happily volunteer to go till the fields until oil magically appeard in enough dry Texas wells to offset that lost at the Blue American ports. Your teachers, on their days off of course 'cause they can't stop teaching creation science or alternate physics, will be glad to build new housing for your immigrant volunteer labor (white naturally). All you need for this wet dream to come true now is a state wishing to become a nation, free from the Union, free from the rule of law, free from knowledge, free from taxes, free from Islam, free from everything that's seething under your bed and in your delusions. Please secede, please! Peaceful? Like the Murrah bldg in Ok City? Where will you fools go? Where? WHO WILL PICK YOUR FREAKIN' COTTON!?

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connor 6 months ago

I would suggest the Libs look around at the State they live in. Boone county looks awful lonely surrounded by all that red. The four...Yes count em FOUR little counties that went Obama in Missouri might think about relocating to a Blue state. I hear Kalifornia needs people these days. Even if you go to Illinois you only got like 8 counties to hide in.

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tonto_goldberg 6 months ago

Did you notice there is construction going on in Boone County? Did you notice there are lots more amenities in Boone County? Never mind, I am wasting my time. Sorry to bother you.

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connor 6 months ago

Take away the MU students and faculty and Boone would be RED as well. So your point means nothing.

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tonto_goldberg 6 months ago

Sorry. It's the backwards-looking red areas like Cole County that are dying. What would you take away from the St. Louis area, which is growing as well? How about Kansas City?

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JCLifer 6 months ago

The democrat st. Louis city is withering for years. The republican suburbs are where the growth is. Ask Jim Talent.

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connor 6 months ago

OH yes St. Louis is a wonderful growing place and KC drains Mo. Money to put in amusements for Kansas citizens while Columbia (Not all of Boone county) sucks up all that education money. They are wonderful places. You should move to one of them.

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RobHunterJohnson 5 months, 4 weeks ago

Boone Co, 165,627 Population, 33,000 students at MU, 37,343 Voted Romney, 39,782 voted Obama, nothing special about that vote. St Louis, KC and the Bootheel on the eastern side voted blue, you take away that Farm subsidy, and you will see which way those Farmers go! Rob

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connor 6 months ago

I been wondering since several of the Liberal Conglomerate members on here like to ask if someone has adopted a baby when they speak out against abortion. Are Paroquet, Saskqoia and the others going to adopt an out of work union hostess worker now? I mean that union ruined Hostess and there is gonna be 18,000 plus out of jobs now.

Time for them to put their money where their mouths are and bite the ding dong so to speak.

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connor 6 months ago

Ya I saw that. The Libs actually put a petition on the same site the secession petitions were put up on at the whitehouse.gov site to federalize Hostess. LOL

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Paroquet 6 months ago

Um, I have one adoptee, one fostern slated to adopt.

I'm still waiting for you "conservatives" to come back with your answers.

And the union didn't ruin Hostess. Did you look at the raises the execs gave themselves when they saw the light in the fiscal tunnel was an oncoming train?

Oh, and I have room for two boarders. Three, if they help me finish the basement. So that'd be...yeah, we can accomodate up to five unfortunates. And ample storage for personals--furniture could get iffy. Even got space they can grow their own food. And under existing city ordinances, we could put some cows, sheep, and goats into the mix (we already got chickens).

Um yep. We're pretty styling in the morals department. And we wouldn't put our heads into other's life issues so long as they kept the noise down after nine.

I mean, it's not lavish, but it'd beat a cardboard box. And would we open our doors? Yep.

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connor 6 months ago

Last count I now have 10...count em 10 stray cats that have shown up out here. All of them were housecats btw with a few still wearing their collars and only two having been previously fixed. Three of em have managed to become housecats here while the others have claimed the various outbuildings as their own. I went from zero pets in 2007 to 12 now because I also have two stray dogs that have moved in. Vet bills and pet food costs have now taken a huge chunk out of my budget.

All due to Liberal community reinvestment handouts and government enforced easy loans crashing the housing market.

I think you should take those out of work union bakers in as pets not boarders and share some of the stray burden.

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eileen10 6 months ago

You and your wife are good people Paroquet. Not everyone is willing or wants to adopt or take in foster children. It's sad really because there are many children who need a good home. I'm going to check into fostering. I don't know if I'd qualify but it can't hurt to ask.

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RobHunterJohnson 6 months ago

Conner, the company bought Hostess in 2009 to close out the on going bankruptzy from 04 to 09. Hostess brand file bankruptzy once again in 1/2012? In a statement the company said it " is not competitive, primarily due to legacy pension and medical benefit obligations and restrictive work rules." I have to ask did not Driscoll and his investors not know this going into the purchase? The Hostess executives paid themselves raises of up to 80%? The investors and Execuitives pulled another BAIN. My opinion is they will liquidate, someone will sn_ a_ tch it up, then reopen NON UNION. Whom ever gets control of Hostess will have accomplished what the others could not since 2004, the only losers will be the workers, who lost their pensions, and benefits! I took note that you have experienced great health, and that is good! You need to keep those checkups up to date, all of our health is very important! Keep getting that Tea Party rhetoric out about unions, MAY I SUGGEST THAT YOU NEED TO READ A LITTLE DEEPER ON SUBJECTS? I really thought your choice for President would win, see what happens when the people put the time in to DISAVOW the Tea Parties and Conners Rhetoric! Rob

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connor 6 months ago

So basically your saying that the legacy pensions and benefits didn't drive Hostess into the ground? Well they did and yes the real losers will be the workers for not seeing the light of day but the original share holders took a scalping too btw. The company that bought Hostess knew that if the union wouldn't deal they could make their money back selling it off and I certainly can't blame em for that.

However who enabled these finance companies to have that kind of money to play with? UHH HUH the Obama print, spend and bailout industry that's who. I was reading in depth about this again last night. The money that Obama is having them pump into the investment sectors to keep the public pensions from going completely belly up is also allowing these companies to liquidate with little to no risk. This type of thing will continue as long as the Fed continues to print and the interest rates are kept at zero. They are playing with free money, little risk and no interest. Certainly they are keeping the money from trickling down and causing massive inflation for the moment but it is playing havoc at the top.

Cause and effect Robishunting. Cause and effect. Something you Union and Liberal types just can't figure out.

And it shows....

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eileen10 6 months ago

The worst thing about this is no twinkies for the twinkie addicts!

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connor 6 months ago

And Woody will have to look for a different snack food item in "Zombieland II"

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RobHunterJohnson 6 months ago

Conner, what was the interest rate in early 2009, or really as the deal was made 2008? It was the Bush adminstration once again Conner not Obama. It was about the time Budwieser was a done deal as well? That was the only moment in time that Budwieser could have bought! I admire you for you rescue operation, after having had a few animals over the years myself, Doc Fuch, would say "oh your a kennel man too Rob!" Parquet I like to commend both you, and your Wife for adoption, and fostership! Rob

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eileen10 6 months ago

For the workers who are or will be out of jobs and if the company is sold do you think the former workers will have first dibs with the new company or are they more or less sc##wed?

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connor 6 months ago

My bet is the brand names will be sold off and the equipment worth anything as well. Plants and property in non-union states may open back up under competitor names or even new smaller companies while the ones in union states will be dismantled. Those old employees who will take a pay and benefit cut will have a job I would bet eventually.

After a short while of being a non-union employee out in the real world those who are not a member of one of the permanent victim groups will see the light and be staunch Conservatives.

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eileen10 6 months ago

connor my friend do you ever think of anything other than politics? All I wanted to know is if the workers might get their jobs back. How annoying but I had to laugh because I guess the answer is ya you pretty much live and breathe politics.

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connor 6 months ago

Actually my degrees are in American History and Sociology. Not much a White boy is gonna do with those these days. Especially one who won't tow the Feminist party line and go into teaching I originally got my secondary teaching certificate as well but haven't kept it up to date. Luckily I had paid off all my property debts so I don't need a high paying job and can afford to take frequent employment breaks and still bring in some farming revenue. That and I am not greedy.

Politics is fun because the information is constantly changing and always has something new to offer. I do have other interests but not alot of articles that pertain to them on the NT website and the Winter months are kinda slow on everything else as well. Not to mention I let some things pile up this time of year trying to be polite to the deer hunters.

Oh and I need to amend my prediction for ex-hostess employees. I doubt many new businesses will open from the carcass. Not a good time for new business endeavors.

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eileen10 6 months ago

Okay. I no longer see you with a flag in one hand and a mallet in the other. Unless a person asks questions they don't know squat. A friend of a friend lost her job in Jeff at the Wonder bread store so she's applying for unemployment. She.s in her early 30s with 3 or 4 children, severe health problems and thankfully her husband has a job. Lots of folks having a hard time and please don't! I know what your thinking. I just feel bad for those who struggle so hard. Having to worry how to pay the bills, keep food on the table, maybe no birthday or Christmas presents for the kids. That was my first thought when I read that the company went bankrupt. Times are hard but at least we are fortunate that bombs are'nt falling on us like in Afghanistan and we don't have to eat rocks or sand and eventually things will get better. May take a long time though.

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connor 6 months ago

They bought it in 09 after bailouts that were designed by Obama not Bush BTW but they can sell it outright with a huge margin in 2012 due to continued bailouts and monetary easing.

It just gets worse from here.

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eileen10 6 months ago

Oh my aching arse. See post above. Boing! Boing! Watch me bounce off the walls. Wham! Ugh! OUCH! Mama mia that hurts!

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RobHunterJohnson 6 months ago

Conner it was in the tank and up for grab s starting in 2004, BUSH 2! Rob

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asb 5 months, 4 weeks ago

So you are looking forward to chaos, and will take advantage of it? What kind of thing are you?

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tonto_goldberg 6 months ago

Legacy pensions, hence the name, would have been factored into the purchase price. Hostess suffered from a doomed merger, a buying spree in which it bought a bunch of smaller bakey companies, and from a leveraged buyout that left it swimming in debt. The unions did not kill Hostess. The company committed suicide, and management gave themselves bonuses for their brilliant strategy.

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connor 6 months ago

The Union called the strike Hostess management didn't. They were told if you strike the company goes belly up and they chose to play poker. Guess what they lost.

As a matter of fact the company that bought Hostess in 09 saved those 18K jobs for three years. Even the teamsters union tried to stop the bakers from striking and implored them to allow the individual union members to make the final decision because they knew it was a mistake and over reach.

Trumka's spin announcement from Friday is pure Union propaganda but I am sure he is glad you are waving the union flag.

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tonto_goldberg 6 months ago

Hostess quit making their contractual benefit and retirement program payments a year ago. The Hostess company "needed" the additional set of union concessions so they could continue paying interest on over $1 billion in debt. That was management's choice. The teamsters were in but the bakers bailed. The baker's union was no longer willing to bet on Hostess as a viable employer. That was their choice.

The debt holders will lose most of their money while the brands, the bakeries, and most of the workers will get picked up by better managed companies. Check out Gruppo Bimbo. There's a reason they are the largest baking company in the USA.

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connor 6 months ago

Everything you said proves my point. The Bakers decided to end their employment because after bankruptcy no management could afford their salaries. The teamsters begged them not to but they basically quit. They shouldn't even get unemployment honestly.

Interestingly enough the average salary for a Hostess employee was almost 55K a year. That is a payroll of almost a Billion a year (990,000,000 if my math is right). I have an idea why don't the employees buy out Hostess and then see how well they manage negotiating with themselves.

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tonto_goldberg 5 months, 4 weeks ago

They paid $19 an hour, tops. To get to $55k a worker would need to put in 2895 hours per year. Not impossible but improbable.

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eileen10 6 months ago

What is your problem Graceful. Are you this negative about everything? Do you ever say a kind word to anyone? Do you treat people who don't believe the way you do like dogs? Do you ever experience happiness? Joy? Would you kick a puppy because it was in your way?

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eileen10 6 months ago

You just answered the questions.

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eileen10 6 months ago

Your right. I did fashion my own answer and I do believe I was wrong but if your saying I don't like you that's not true. What I know of you is what you've posted and you come across as being hateful and full of anger and your attacks on people can be vicious.Your not the only one that does that but Graceful you are right up there at the top and because of that your seen as a kook and what you have to say isn't taken seriously. Only you can change that if you want to. How a person interacts with others is very important. It determines how your seen and how others react to you. For all I know you cry at movies or your the one that would put the baby bird back in its nest after it fell out. I know your passionate about where this country is at, how bad things are and yes it is pretty bad. We all can agree to that. We have a President you and a lot of others don't like. That's fine. You don't have to like him. But when someone else does ...I think you see where this is going. Kind of like if you have a child you love and a neighbor calls your child an ugly , nasty no good brat. How would you react? Okay. Maybe the kid is a brat but wording it differently can make all the difference. Get the point across but without the nastiness. Such as "Emily hit my Bobby over the head with a stick. A rather big stick. I know children play but I think we need to curb the behavior of both children before someone gets hurt." They learn how to play together and that's carried over. We can all play together nicely and in doing so get a lot more accomplished. Not solved of course and some kids just won't play nicely but if the majority do it's those kids that will do the most good.None of us are perfect. All of us will slip and hit the pavement and even though we see things differently I feel that as a country and as American citizens we should at least be bound together by what we see as a great country that will falter to some degree but we can at least look at the good as well as the bad. I'm not going to tell you how to live your life That's up to you. I just gave you my point of view which you may disagree with and that's okay. I'm not going to stomp you into the ground if you don't see things my way. I'll respect your right to feel and think anyway you want.

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eileen10 6 months ago

LOL! Okay. I guess your right. We are a bunch of kooks. What I have to say is my opinion. To me vicious is putting someone down, name calling, or sweeping them aside like their a nobody and it is done quite a bit. To others it may mean something else. You haven't gone so far that someone would sick some goons on you. No one has really gone that far and if you have fun then you go girl! But do keep in mind that when you sling you get it slung at you which I think you already know.Oh. If you want an example you posted above and the post starts with austerity. If that's how you see it I can't say your wrong but I really don't think you'd win a miss congeniality award. If you don't care what people think or how they see you then okay. Do your thing. No two people are alike but my feeling are that respect isn't bad. talking without gouging isn't bad. Being considerate isn't bad.

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RobHunterJohnson 5 months, 4 weeks ago

Handing out ropes, and collecting them in the morning, now that is vicious! Rob

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connor 6 months ago

Ya know it's funny that you mention negativity eileen. Right after I had to leave the Army (Thanks again Clinton) I took a job working as an installation manager for a software company that put computer systems in hotels and restaurants all over the world.

Anyway the owner/CEO was one of these up beat always think positive guys. We would get a shipment of whatever doodad or equipment in and I would make the comment that I was sure X would be wrong. Sure enough nine times out of ten x was wrong and needed fixing yet he always said it was because I was so negative.

I never understood why preparing for the worst was viewed as negative but then I was never a big corporate cheerleader type either. Luckily I found a job with less travel requirements soon after that.

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eileen10 6 months ago

I feel to be prepared for the worst is fine. Theres nothing wrong with that. But to dwell on it or think about it all the time may not be real healthy and your not like that. You seem to have a healthy balance which I think most people do. Prepare for the worst but hope for the best as the saying goes. The owner you spoke of sounds a bit overboard. Too much "sunshine" can burn. Especially in the case you spoke of but that's how I see it. Others may have a different outlook and that's fine. I guess if everyone thought alike things would be pretty boring.

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connor 6 months ago

Not if they all thought like me :)

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eileen10 6 months ago

LOL!! Your hopeless you man you.

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RobHunterJohnson 6 months ago

"The hardest arithmetic to master is that which enables us to count our Blessings" Eric Hoffer Rob

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connor 6 months ago

"Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the rulers." - Aristotle.

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eileen10 6 months ago

"Dont smoke your cigarette from the lit end" - Eileen

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3633 5 months, 4 weeks ago

Wow, what has happened to America and all the strong people, the way things are now have happened before and America came back. I can't believe the talking points of some Jeff City people. I will not crawl in a hole. I will stand and do the right thing and tell the truth, and not bicker over things I have no control over. C'mon folks, we all are still here, alive and well let's get on with living and more positive thinking.

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