Ownership of MSP, old St. Mary’s site at issue under Transformation

Voters question property ownership

In this aerial file photo from April 2011, St. Mary's Health Center sits in a triangle bounded by Missouri Boulevard at left, U.S. 54 at right, and U.S. 50 at the bottom of the picture.

In this aerial file photo from April 2011, St. Mary's Health Center sits in a triangle bounded by Missouri Boulevard at left, U.S. 54 at right, and U.S. 50 at the bottom of the picture. Photo by Stephen Brooks.

With just more than one week to the election, many voters are still trying to get a clear picture on what Transformation projects will entail and are beginning to get down to the details.

Visit the Transformation section to read additional articles about the Transform Jefferson City proposal.

Some of the biggest questions being asked of the Transform Jefferson City campaign pertain to ownership of the properties where the largest projects are being proposed.

Transformation is the economic development strategic plan put forward by the Jefferson City Area Chamber of Commerce. If passed Feb. 7, the sales tax would raise more than $41 million to complete a list of 30 projects around the city.

A frequently asked question is who will retain ownership of the old Missouri State Penitentiary site, now owned by the state, if Transformation passes.

Campaign co-chairmen Ken Hussey and Phil Freeman said the state would retain ownership of the historic site, while the city would receive a long-term lease to operate tours and use the area for community events. The city would also receive a title to land for a conference center, if the MSP site is chosen, as well as right-of-way for new roads, all of which is stated in the non-binding memorandum of understanding signed by the Office of Administration.

Ed Williams, with the opposition group Citizens for Fair Tax, said the memorandum of understanding with the state does not seem substantial and legislators or the governor could easily back out of the agreement.

Also in the memorandum, which Chamber CEO and President Randy Allen called “an agreement to agree,” is all areas designated in the master plan for private development would be transferred to the various owners on a project by project basis.

At a campaign meeting last week, Allen assured attendees no one wants to take ownership of the MSP site, but they do want to ensure continued access to it.

Another frequently asked ownership issue deals with St. Mary’s Health Center, after the hospital relocates in 2015. Transformation has laid out extensive plans for the soon-to-be vacant space, much of which is proposed to be occupied by Lincoln University.

Hussey and Freeman said the plan, if the tax is passed, would be for the parent company of St. Mary’s, SSM Health Care, to develop a request for proposals for ownership and development of the facilities once the hospital has relocated. Both said the request would include the commitment of all the Transformation projects to be part of any proposal received, with the hope being SSM would deed the property to a private owner who will carry out the already laid out commitments.

Allen said Lincoln University would then pay a small amount of rent to the new owner for the space it uses and the owner would be responsible for all future maintenance and upkeep of the facility as a whole, while tenants such as Lincoln would be responsible for maintaining their leased space.

Visit the Transformation section to read additional articles about the Transform Jefferson City proposal.

Comments

Forest 1 year, 3 months ago

If the Sheeple of Jefferson City pass this tax, I am out of here. In the 1990s the big discussion was where to build a Convention Center. I lived elsewhere from 2000-2010. I was shocked that when I moved backed the big discussion was still where to build a Convention center.

Circa 2003 I followed the annexation issue here (I always intended to return to JC, and stay informed about this town). Jeff City residents were promised that if the "City" population sign said 50000+ Fortune 500 companies would locate here (as if Fortune 500 companies are too stupid to look at the area population). The annex happened. The population sign now, 8-9 years later, gives a population of only 43,xxx!! The city leaders weren't even smart enough to properly count the number of citizens that would be annexed.

If I'm going to be paying upwards of 9% (yes sales tax will become 9.275% in the special areas like the east Wal-mart, 8.275% elsewhere), then I'm going to go to a city where I actually get something for that kind of rate.... try to start a business in this town. You will find the city leaders really don't want innovation or new blood coming in and creating jobs.

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kentheco 1 year, 3 months ago

Yes "Sheeple". Jefferson City needs a convention center like they need a tunnel to an island that is often underwater.

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Forest 1 year, 3 months ago

I'm sure I won't be missed. But at least I won't be paying tax on projects that will never be completed.

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

If they are state workers and move to Alabama or Mississippi at least they will get a big pay increase and have several casinos nearby.

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JeffCityYuppie 1 year, 3 months ago

We may be low on the pay scale, but when all the tax payer paid benefits are figured in, Missouir ranks much higher. check your facts

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Forest 1 year, 3 months ago

And attitudes like yours is why Jefferson City will never accomplish anything.

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Forest 1 year, 3 months ago

Forgive me for not wanting to blindly pay taxes more to a government that has proven time and time again not to be good stewards or able to complete projects as promised. Especially when the details of this current proposal are sketchy. If you like to pay more taxes and get nothing in return then your budget is obviously not as tight as mine.

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

Are you talking about that pesky JC Ambulance tax again? Fool me once- shame on you. Fool me twice- shame on me.

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Darth 1 year, 3 months ago

I wish I could vote on Tuesday, but I don't live in JC. For those of you that do, please vote No. None of this will happen as promised.

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Gabrielle 1 year, 3 months ago

why do you say this? you don't live in JC. How does it affect you? Why does it matter to you? I would like to know. btw - I am already decided on my vote.

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

People who live outside of the city will pay the tax too, but they don't get to vote on it. Guess they can go to the Lake or to Columbia for their shopping if they don't like it.

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Forest 1 year, 3 months ago

Doesn't matter if you live in JC or not. If you shop here you pay the sales tax rate. If you live in between JC or Columbia, you would have the choice between the higher tax rates and limited selection of JC and the lower tax rate and greater selection of Columbia. If the choice is between a job of equal salary in JC or Columbia, I'm going to pick Columbia. Lower taxes, more shopping, restaurants, entertainment, etc. Jefferson City needs to learn it is competing with Mid-Mo localities and stop trying to be a national destination.

If the "leaders" of Jefferson City can prove to me they could actually execute ANY plan or idea they've had since 1994 I might have a different, more optimistic view about giving them more money.

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Gabrielle 1 year, 3 months ago

Interesting. I wonder if the difference betw JC and Columbia is b/c of size. While Columbia is larger and has more infrastructure, etc... it is larger and the University brings alot of people in - so it may be easier to meet the basic needs of the community. Never been to Springfield...just driven by it.

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Gabrielle 1 year, 3 months ago

?cosmopolitan? - what does that mean?

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Gabrielle 1 year, 3 months ago

you used the word cosmopolitan - that is why I ask you. My best quess is you dislike Springfield. You prefer to avoid the question. Why?

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

Springfield has relatively low wages too- not nearly as low as Jefferson City, and they do have several businesses and industries there. I wouldn't expect Springfield's taxes to be very high, although their city services may be delivered at a much lower cost than Jeff City's due to a more efficient and better run city government.

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melbrooks 1 year, 3 months ago

Actually, the Bureau of Labor Statistics indicates Cole County's average wage over all industries for 2010 is $698. The same site says Greene County's average wage (the county in which Springfield is located) is $679.

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

And Springfield has a cost of living index of 88.4, as compared to Jefferson City's 96.9.

Utilities, Transportation, Housing, and Misc. Services are way more costly in Jefferson City than Springfield.

We know Jefferson City has some of the state's highest gasoline prices.

Utilities especially are way higher in Jefferson City than in Sprigfield and Columbia. Is that because those cities operate their own services, and do so at a much lower cost? Wonder how their trash rates compare...

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melbrooks 1 year, 3 months ago

Humm. You stated Jefferson City has lower wages than Springfield. I provide stats which prove that to be incorrect, and you switch to cost of living. Ok, I'll bite.

According to the website below, if one moved from Jefferson City to Springfield:

Groceries will cost: 1% less Housing will cost: 2% less Utilities will cost: 15% less Transportation will cost: 4% more Healthcare will cost: 0% more

cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html

The transportation figure goes against the grain of what you "know" about gas prices. According to missourigasprices.com, the Missouri average is $3.252/gallon. The same site indicates gas is mostly $3.19 a gallon in Jefferson City. That's below average, not "some of the state's highest gasoline prices."

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

missourieconomy.org/pdfs/sowfr_2011.pdf

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

i hate to see taxpayer dollars go to fix up private property like St. Mary's.

Also, i cannot believe it is cheaper to restore and maintain the old St. Mary's buildings. Surely it would be cheaper to knock the eyesore down and rebuild with some nicer newer buuldings well-insulated and better designed for their new purspose, rather than an old hospital that couldn't afford to keep it going, even backed by a very wealthy organization.

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

Forest, you forgot about the schooll tax increase that is going to be needed to build another high school. Probablyat least another 1/2 cent tax if not more in a year or so.

Still, none of this helps to rebuild the crumbling city streets or fix up the parks, etc. That will probably take another 1/2 cent sales tax very shortly.

Trashe, sewer, water, natural gas, electricity, gasoline-- all of these keep increasing, some multiple times per year. How are we going to be able to keep paying all these fees and taxes?

At some point we are going to have to get some good paying JOBS in this town if we want to stop the bleeding and turn this mess around. I don't hear of any major employers coming here like Columbia gets all the time. All we get are fast food places and pay day loan places. We don't ever land big industry or any of the hot technical employers that pay good wages like we did back in the '80s.

It is time we face reality and realize that Jefferson City will never be a real nice town, and that it will never grow much. Jefferson City is stuck like Ashland on a larger scale. Thank Goodness we have Columbia and the Lake nearby so we have some amenities and places to do things. Jefferson City is what it is. It already is about as good as it can get with the current thinking of the Chamber and the town "leaders".

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Forest 1 year, 3 months ago

Slow down JCLifer. You're talking too "big" for the minds of Jeff City. :)

It amazes me how myopic the views of life and economics are in this town. You are absolutely correct. This town is missing the "basics" but wants to build the "extras." In the past 18 months since I've come back I don't know how many times I found myself going out to get some food, but came back hungry to eat a PBJ b/c there is no decent carry-out in this town. I will give props to the greenway; that is a nice feature in a not-so-pedestrian friendly town.

It's frustrating to see JC try to be something it can never be. JC will never offer the ambiance of a St. Louis neighborhood like The Hill or Dogtown; JC never will be a major tourist destination. But JC can be be a great family-oriented town with nice attractions --- like the State Pen (interestingly, the Convention Bureau thought the tour idea was stupid until the person who had the idea convinced them to try it. Had he not been so adamant to try it a couple years ago JC would not have this attraction b/c the Convention Bureau is not able to think creatively).

And don't even get me started on round-a-bouts that are WAY TOO SMALL to be efficient; mandatory trash service (I travel 75% of the time, I don't need a $200 annual trash service for a maybe 6 bags of trash I produce each year); I live in part of the town that was annexed in the past 10 years --- do I have sewer? No. Do I enjoy the benefits of regular police patrols? No. I benefit from COUNTY SERVICES but yet pay City Taxes.

And interesting you mentioned the Lake... Just last week I stopped there and dropped $500 on much needed clothing..... items that aren't even available in this town of 50,0000..... ooops, 43,079. That annexation worked so well... Do you see all those Fortune 500 companies fighting to buy land to build factories here b/c we have a population of 50K?

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Forest 1 year, 3 months ago

PS - and my acclaim for the Pen Tours is not blind approval to this "transformation plan." While I want to see parts of this historic site preserved and continue to be an economic plus for our town, I believe the way in which the Convention Bureau is managing this "project" will not succeed.

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kentheco 1 year, 3 months ago

Didn’t the school board once say they needed 80 flat acres to build a new school on and that it also had to be in Cole County (can’t put it in Callaway County with the sewer plant, airport, ABB and all the other land that Jefferson City grabbed for tax dollars)? What's more likely is that the split would result in two football and basketball teams and also two bands that would then have to compete against each other. Or will they bus the students together for sports and music?

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

You can't have high taxes with extemely low wages.

Perhaps more revenue could be found by improving operations at city government to be used for some of these projects. If we could have a leaner city government we could save some money for other wants and needs.

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Gabrielle 1 year, 3 months ago

of course they do! each and every time they purchase something in a retail shop - including food. The sales receipt shows this. They don't distinguish this sales tax due to wage level. Of course, if the wage earner is receiving some sort of assistance for food - there isn't sales tax on this - as far as I know. There are other taxes they pay too.....on utility bills, phones, etc.... is it different in Columbia?

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

If they can get the wages up, then they might have a shot at increasing taxes. People here are really struggling to make it from payday to payday.

We altready have hi-class taxes for this low-wage town. There is no more blood in the turnip.

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JCsleeper 1 year, 3 months ago

If wages here weren't depressed by the area's largest employer, there would be more expendable income. Sales taxes already on the books would generate sufficient revenues, if managed properly.

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Gabrielle 1 year, 3 months ago

one thing I find interesting is a letter to the editor by Randall Dent. AS best I recall, he says businesses look at the tax rate of a community when determining where to go. Seems this tax increase and the unknown taxes to come for infrastructure over the next 10 years - is really doing just the opposite of what the intended goal is.

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rodinman 1 year, 3 months ago

Folks do you remember two years ago the city council spent $10,000 for a citizen survey which then Mayor Landwehr said "When these results come back its not something that we spend a half hour looking at and then we put on the shelf. The results of this survey will be used by policy makers for years to come." Conference setner as given a low priority by 42% and that tax money should not be used. Infrastructure maintenance was given a high priority. As for Riverfront development, an overwhelming 54% declared it to be low priority. While 63% indicated that parts of the Missouri State Penitentiary should be developed to attract tourists and that development should be left to private enterprise. A low priority was to raise taxes.

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

I recall the last big dollar consultant that came about a year ago said that this town was way too cliquish and they did not value diversity. He said we needed to get rid of the good ol boys who run everything before we can ever grow and prosper. I recall the council and other community "leaders" poo-pooed his presentation of the results of his expensive study.

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Gabrielle 1 year, 3 months ago

I didn't know about this. This is a different consultant than the one that suggested things leading to transformation?

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

Jon Roberts of TIP Strategies

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melbrooks 1 year, 3 months ago

Lifer, your memory is faulty. The council didn't "poo-poo" anything. Cite your source. At the time, you thought whomever hired Roberts should be congratulated. (By the way, it was the Chamber of Commerce.)

You said: "Congrats to whoever hired the guy from Austin. Alas, it will be more consultant money wasted since no one wanted to hear what he had to say."

The Transformation projects were proposed with Jon Robert's ideas in mind, but it is you who is "poo-pooing" and not willing to hear what he had to say.

newstribune.com/news/2011/jan/20/jefferson-city-challenged-change-status-quo/

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linoge 1 year, 3 months ago

I like JC lifers idea of knocking down the old St. Mary's building. Maybe if that happened, Jeff City could finally do something about that ridiculous tri-level fiasco. A lot of people believe that the reason the tri-level was built in the first place was that St. Mary's Hospital was considered a "sacred cow" of sorts and couldn't be touched when the new bridge went in. There are college textbooks being used in civil engineering courses which feature Jefferson City's tri-level as an example of what NOT to do when building an interchange. Anyway, this new tax will come back to haunt Jefferson City in some way. Just goes to show that you don't have to be a liberal to believe in raising other people's taxes.

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JCsleeper 1 year, 3 months ago

Be interesting to see in 10 years where $40M - $50M was spent, how many young professionals decided to locate or stay here, who owns St. Mary's and old MSP site and if or where there is a convention center. Wonder if Millbottom will still smell bad? It would also be interesting to see what are the conditions of streets (excluding uptown), parks and basic infrastructures. In the next 10 years, will there be a property tax tax increase to spruce up the old high school? Doubt if they will ever build a second public high school. Will the old JCD, International Shoe and other derelict buildings still be standing and rotting away? Probably will still be wondering where the ambualnce property tax went.

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

Thanks for taking my comments out of context. I am talking about his comparison of close-minded cliquish Jefferson City as compared to Austin, TX- a town that is more open to real change that also includes and helps all taxpayers. It is moot point anyway, as Austin has a much more robust economy, and its largest employers pay considerably more than Jefferson City. The opportunities for advancement are much greater in that diverse-accepting town.

Jefferson City's low wages and stagnant ecvonomy cannot support this tax increase for frivolous projects that do not benefit the majority of residents, especially for a few more minimum wage service jobs.

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melbrooks 1 year, 3 months ago

Once again, your source for your characterization of the council's reaction is....?

I don't see how any of this is out of context. Fact 1: You said then whomever brought Jon Roberts of TIP Strategies in was to be congratulated. Fact 2: It was the Chamber which retained Roberts. Fact 3: Roberts told the community that there are three main drivers of economies: Talent, Innovation, and Place. Fact 4: Transformation was formed by over 400 volunteers with those principles in mind. These are the facts, and they are documented--unlike your council comment.

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JCLifer 1 year, 3 months ago

We are getting way off topic here, and I don't appreciate your personal attacks.

Yes, I was very excited about the Transformation project when I heard about it. The consultant initially seemed to be bringing some very good ideas for change to our town, and his comments about the ruinious cliques and lack of appreciation for diversity were a breath of fresh air. However, when I later learned that most of the projects being proposed would be for the benefit of Uptown business owners, and not so much for the common taxpayers, I have since lost my enthusiasm for this project. Some of the items are worthy, but on the whole, I cannot support this massive tax increase for the majority of these projects.

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melbrooks 1 year, 3 months ago

The topic is Transformation, so I don't understand why you say this conversation is off topic. Nor have there been any personal attacks, just a request for you to provide some sort of support to back up your assertion regarding the council's reaction.

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Daddy 1 year, 3 months ago

Well I sat in a Masters Degree program this past year at the University of Missouri. Several of my classmates were young professionals of Jefferson City. When asked the reasons why they were pursuing their Masters on top of everyones list was "to get out of Jefferson City"! Want to know where your young professionals are, they are at UHaul renting a truck to get out of town. This place is a union busting cesspool where the sheeple think three $8 an hour jobs is a good life.

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Forest 1 year, 3 months ago

Yep. I have a doctorate level education. I travel 75% of the time... not because I want to travel but I wanted to be based in Jeff City -- I personally don't want to live in Chicago, Boston, NY anymore. I took a 40% pay hit to do so. Now that the travel is wearing on me, I would like to find a full-time job here in Jeff City. I'm willing to take another $20-25K hit to do so --- but my education and work experience 'disqualifies' me for the jobs in this town b/c no employer thinks I'm serious about staying when they see what I've already accomplished. They don't believe I value the lifestyle more than the money....

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lovemykids 1 year, 3 months ago

Leaving town sounds better and better every year. In the last 5 years living here in Jeff, I have seen: my trash, we now have an extra recycling can, but you still lose actual usable space because the old can was bigger and 2 x per week pick up replaced with once weekly pick up of 2 smaller cans, I pay more for this service now too, my sewer used to be part of my water bill, now my water has gone up and the sewer is seperate, my cable has gone up, my personal property tax on my house goes up EVERY year, my electric has gone up, these are the things I can think of off hand. It gets tougher and tougher to make it this town with the low wages and ever increasing costs. I didn't even mention the cost of bread, milk, gas, etc. Those things just keep going up too.

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