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Today's Poll!Our Opinion: Defiant Akin fractures GOP unity
Friday, August 24, 2012
“No man is an island,” wrote poet John Donne.
Missouri Congressman Todd Akin, however, must be feeling pretty lonely right now.
Akin’s effort to wrest a U.S. Senate seat from incumbent Democrat Claire McCaskill has suffered a massive blow.
Prominent GOP supporters have bolted, and they’ve taken their money with them.
Their desertion was prompted by Akin’s weekend comments that women can prevent pregnancy in cases of “legitimate rape.”
The question before Republicans is: What is more important, the goals of the many, the party, or of one candidate, Akin?
Calls for Akin to step aside came from a number of notable Republicans, including: U.S. Sen. Roy Blunt and four of his predecessors, former U.S. Sens. John Ashcroft, Jim Talent, Kit Bond and John Danforth.
Closer to home, Akin’s withdrawal also was urged by Republican state Sen. Mike Kehoe, who represents the 6th District that includes Jefferson City.
Compounding Akin’s woes is the withdrawal of financial support.
The campaign for Republican U.S. Senate candidates already has diverted $5 million for advertising in the Missouri race. In addition, the Karl Rove-supported Crossroads organization also has pulled its advertising.
Akin believes he can bounce back. “I’m in this race for the long haul, and we’re going to win it,” he said.
Is his assertion a realistic appraisal or false bravado?
Missourians are divided, but they won’t vote until November.
More problematic today is that Republicans also are divided.
The national GOP had focused on Missouri as a potential contest where a Senate seat could be won.
Akin’s attempt at damage control is characterized in his comment: “I misspoke one word in one sentence on one day ...”
The fallout, however, indicates the damage is much more pervasive. Even within his own party, his words have alienated fellow Republicans, fractured unity and eroded confidence.
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Comments
spelchek 9 months, 4 weeks ago
I suppose there isn't enough room to write about all of Biden's gaffes since entering the VP slot in 2008. Most recently he told a group that Republicans would like to put blacks back in the chains of slavery. It is hard for me to fathom how this gets almost a free pass and Akin's stupid comment should be considered so much more disparaging. When the media bias is this obvious it makes one bad comment from a Republican seem miniscule to the mountain of id10tic comments our VP and POTUS has made. I didn't vote for Akin but I will vote for him if he's my only choice to a Obamacare supporter who thinks she knows better than her constituents.
roses64 9 months, 3 weeks ago
This is NOT about stupid comments. Everybody makes them. What this man said is consistent with HR3 and other legislation that this man, Paul Ryan and others of his ilk have sponsored.....redefining rape and denying access to abortion under all circumstances etc. This man is on our Science and Technology committee, for God's sake!!! His "scientific" thinking is similar to that of the test for witches in Old Salem: Throw her in the river and see if she "floats"! What this man said was not a gaffee. This man has a very serious case of anal/cranial inversion.
spelchek 9 months, 3 weeks ago
This election is not about abortion like Dems want us to believe. Go ahead and run on that and see how you do.
lee 9 months, 4 weeks ago
Time for Akin to be a man and step down as he has been asked. Missouri doesn't need some ignorant fool respresenting us. I am a Republican and would like to gain a seat. So Please Mr Akin remove yourself!!!
seeno 9 months, 4 weeks ago
I can't help but get mad as he__ everytime I see this man's name. I think he intentionally spoke what he believes. I think he wanted to come to this conclusion and he found a way to do it by reading this junk by the far right and choosing to believe it. To believe this propaganda you would have to want to believe it or be too lazy to do the research and come to a logical conclusion on the subject of rape. He could have and should have known the facts. He is an engineer. Engineers have a code of ethics. Three of those are:
1. Avoid deceptive acts. 2.Conduct themselves honorably, responsibly, ethically, and lawfully so as to enhance the honor, reputation, and usefulness of the profession and 3. Issue public statements only in an objective and truthful manner. As an engineer he would be neglecting his professional duty by not making decisions based on integrity and detachment.
Professions such as doctors, lawyers, nurses, engineers use logic to examine ideas and to develop theories and explanations in their professional life as well as their personal life. It's just second nature. Only thing I can figure he chose to follow" far- right group think" for political gain
connor 9 months, 3 weeks ago
This isn't about science at all. In fact a little research by those screaming about Akin's statement will reveal that there are some medical professionals who endorse and embrace the theory. In fact I believe it was the "Physicians for Life" who started it and where Congressman Akin got it from. Look em up if you don't believe me.
It doesn't matter, 99% of those upset about his statement do not really care about the science behind the theory anyway and they will just disregard out of hand any science that doesn't fit their feelings on the subject. This is about abortion and anyone (especially a man) putting forth the possibility that perhaps not every claim of rape is actually just that will be burned, then resurrected and hung.
False rape claims do happen. That is a fact and those false claims are put out there for a variety of reasons from "Buyers remorse" to ridding one's self of an unwanted pregnancy. If you don't think false claims happen tell that to the Hoffstra (sp?) five and the Duke Lacrosse guys.
Paroquet 9 months, 3 weeks ago
"It doesn't matter, 99% of those upset about his statement do not really care about the science behind the theory anyway and they will just disregard out of hand any science that doesn't fit their feelings on the subject."
Please clarify? Those taking offense at his statement are the ones supported by science. Rape or not, the base chance of conception is 5% for a single encounter, no other factors (ovulation, etc.) accounting. The chance of the body spontaneously shutting down gestation is the same as well where a viable embryo is concerned, hovering near zero. Those who don't care about the science behind the matter don't care regardless. They want you giving birth even if it is forced upon you.
roses64 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Wow! 99%?? How's that for a manufactured number pulled right out of thin air. Please cite your source.
The only "physicians", such as Dr. Wilkey, espousing this view are those who distort facts to make them fit their agenda. NO legitimate OBGYN or gynocological association considers Akin's views as "science".
Yes, Connor,there are false accusations just as there are those who are falsely imprisoned. Perhaps we should we just free everyone in prison as a solution? It's really too bad, Connor, that you have never known who was viciously raped. But with your obvious compassionate,caring attitude, I'm sure you would want to be among the first to financially support the costs involved in a forced pregnancy and the care of the child of the rapist? Or, do you just hate women?
Paroquet is absolutely right.
Gabrielle 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Sure looks like a feeble attempt to make a mountain from a mole hill. I am pleased with Todd Akin's votes back when the stimulus and bailout votes were made. He had backbone then. He has backbone now. I am glad he remains in the senatoral race and choose to let this decision be made by the Missouri voters who put him in this position in the first place.Everyone has an opinion and rightly so. I just wish everyone would think for themselves and ask what EXACTLY did Todd Akin really do that people call for him to step down. Whether he misspoke or said exactly what he believed - its much ado about nothing. I am convinced Todd Akin is an excellent person to represent Missouri. I am convinced Todd Akin is quite capable of winning the senate seat AND doing well in representing Missourians. His conservative vote in the Senate seems crucial to get The US of A on the right track again.
asb 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Well Gabby I was just settling in to digest a magnificent Oscar's breakfast of pancakes, eggs, sausage and toast . . . and now you're coming close to bringing it up like roadkill that even my dog wouldn't touch. Todd Akin DOES represent the hijacked GOP, and that's why I want him to stay in the race. But, he is not a good person to represent Missouri in anything but a lynching, and to be clear I mean somebody elses, not his; that'd be like hanging a martyr to his own ends.
Gabrielle 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Good try, asb. We all know you enjoyed your Oscar's breakfast even after reading my post. I am actually surprised with your comments. Usually your posts are quite substantive. S'pose this is what happens after a hefty meal and those digestive juices are working, requiring increased blood flow?
asb 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You're right of course, can't beat Oscars. But, the apparently unappreciated humor aside, I'll stand with my point that Akin does represent the GOP in a most terrible way and the longer he stays in, the better the public will see their choices in November. You Go Toddy!
asb 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Really Grace? Poor humor is hate? Maybe we're onto something here with your psyche. Tell me just how hatefull this is . . . horse walks into a bar, the bartender asks "hey, why the long face?"
JCLifer 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You didn't make that! Oscar made it for you.
connor 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Just as I thought Paroquet and Roses64 have confirmed my suspicion.
Not once did I attempt to defend the scientific theory Congressman Akin referred to. I am not qualified to do that anyway. Not once did I attempt to make a statement that even a significant number of alleged rape was false or even a small percentage for that matter. I simply stated that there are some. I didin't even throw out any statistics that tend to back up Congressman Akin's claim.
And what type of a response did I get?
"let's free everyone in prison for rape"
"Or do you just hate women"
"They want you giving birth even if it is forced"
My 99% claim isn't far off as I doubt 1% of the world population is scientifically qualified to even understand the biological forces at work here. At least beyond a high school or entry level college biology class. So it stands to reason most our simply following whatever theory best fits their emotions on the subject.
I believe "Physicians for Life" is an actual medical organization and does do medical research.
This isn't about science it is about a woman's right to declare a situation rape when they want and no one with a dissenting opinion is allowed to be heard let alone have any say whatsoever. The fact that this emotion runs so deeply will make every politician and most men avoid the truth at all cost. I don't blame them for that at all they have much more at stake than I do and nothing ever good will come by them sticking their hands into that viper's nest right now.
It is plain from the responses I got that facts mean nothing even if they are not totally proven. Emotion is all this is about.
Paroquet 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Huh. Funny. I have a honors degree in biology. Aced embryology and human phys. Took several semesters of electives in polsci too, and worked in policy development for the government.
Naw. I don't know nuthin' what I'm talkin' 'bout.
The emotion is one-sided, with the anti-choice crowd. Pro-choice is taking the conservative route saying "keep your nose out my personal business.
Now -that- is what I find as ironic to the point of being ludicrous.
connor 9 months, 3 weeks ago
What I find funny is that even if you happened to be a doctor it would still have no impact on my guesstimate that less than 1% of the population is educated enough to know who is right between two groups of doctors who claim differently.
What is ironic is you claim to only want to be left alone to make your choice but fail to even give mention to the fact that both your abortion choices and your preferred version of legitimate rape each affect another person as well.
You do not have the privilege of being the only human with skin in this game, nor the only gender therefore it is not your "personal" choice.
seeno 9 months, 3 weeks ago
John 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Uh, what studies?
Also, just for the sake of debate, what makes THAT science more accurate than another medical study's science, just because you happen to agree with it?
seeno 9 months, 3 weeks ago
The only thing I know to tell you is this. If you are explaining rape to your son or daughter,which statistics would you use? I say son or daughter because, sadly rape happens to males particularly little boys as well as females. But anyway,if they are around the age of puberty and they think that you are just being a paranoid parent, which statistics or studies would you go to? . A respected site such as the CDC. Or, would you go to the Physcians for Life website and cite their statistics that are based on a chapter in a book written by Dr. Fred Mecklenburg. Dr Mecklenburg based his theory of legitimate rape on supposed experiments done by the Nazi's on women in concentration camps. They subjected the women to mock killings to see if it hindered their ovualation and a high number of the women did not ovulate. Thus, Dr Mecklenburg came to the conclusion that women that have been legitimatlly raped have an extremely rare chance to get pregnant due to the mental distress that they endure. Physcian for Life has been repeating this for over thirty years even though none of it is based on facts. They may have left out the part about Nazi experiments.
John 9 months, 3 weeks ago
While I understand what you have written and, based upon what YOU have written, I agree. However, I seriously doubt that it is nearly as simple as you are conveying. I know of NO MEDICAL PERSONNEL who base such a wide belief "based on a chapter in a book written by . . ." Yolu seem intent to claim Akin's detracters have got the whole story correct. Regardless of which medical report he was using (it seems his was based on a 1972 report), his reference to "legitimate rape" appears to have been a differentiation between forcible rape, statutory rape, and change of conscience.
Statutory rape (quite often consensual) is often that condition where the parents allow their 14 or 15 daughter to date a boy 19 or 20. Everything is fine until daddy's little girl no longer likes the cute older boy. Change of conscience (my phrase only, I am sure their are other phrases used to explain it) is that condition when a girl succumbs to someone's advances, later has a change of conscience, and begins to wonder what she will tell her parents. Nobody wants to talk about these but they are things with which the law must deal with everyday. They are real events that do happen. I believe that Akin was trying to make this kind of differentiation. Concerning choice of studies to believe, do not make him out to be critically stupid, there are many examples throughout history of people's beliefs EVENTUALLY proven to be wrong by different medical studies. The difficulty comes when faced with a choice of studies, some folks go one way, some go another.
TickledPink 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Yes, there are false reports of rape. There are also far more actual rapes that go unreported - in part because of attitudes like yours. Rape is rape. All the semantics in the world doesn't change that.
John 9 months, 3 weeks ago
According to you, then, it appears that forcible violent rape is the same as statutory rape: An 18 year old boy having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old girl and all of a sudden, the girl no longer wants anything to do with him and daddy decides to help his little girl and proffers charges against 18 year old boy. THAT is rape? Must be, after all, it is only semantics. Oh, and in response to false claims; Even THAT is still rape? How crazy is this?
JMO 9 months, 3 weeks ago
That isn't what TickledPink said and I think you know it. For starters, statutory rape isn't age 16, it's 14. And consentual sex that's later lied about isn't rape and no one said it is. But yes, I'd say statutory rape, is rape. And date-rape is rape. Being roofied at a party and not capable of consent, is rape. A woman doesn't have to be beaten or offer physical resistance to make it a rape. Basically, saying NO or not being capable of saying YES, whether they are underage or rendered incapable because of some outside force or fear, is rape. No woman should have to be victimized twice by being forced to live 9 months with the result of her rape growing inside her.
TickledPink 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I love how so many men want to tell us what rape is. I've been raped - once quite forcibly and the other ongoing for several years. Do you know what the "molester" was charged with? Child endangerment. Gotta love a plea deal. What it actually was - daily rape, sometimes violently, sometimes not. Does it make it lesser rape because he didn't always knock me around a little first? I was 12 when it started, 15 when it ended - does that lessen it to statutory rape for you? Maybe I was just lying because I didn't like Mommy's new husband. The government needs to stay the h_ll out of my body and deal with catching and prosecuting these monsters, not punishing us for something that IS NOT OUR FAULT. If you think this is an emotional subject for me, you're right. But that doesn't make me unable to have a rational conversation about it. I will NOT be a victim all over again 25 years later because of the religious politics that are being forced on us. You don't think there's a war on women? Trust me, I feel like my body and my rights are under fire and I WILL fight back.
Littleinvestor 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Sorry for your horror TickledPink and grateful for your healing. Many women never report a rape just because of some of the attitudes expressed here. And we call ourselves civilized. Adult men are raped (outside of prison) and they almost never, ever report it. Maybe the men on here who think they are experts on what rape is or isn't should consider that. Rape is mostly about power and humiliation, with sex used as the weapon.
TickledPink 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I didn't report the "forcible rape". It was within a year of my mother's husband getting arrested and copping a plea so I figured why put myself through that h_ll again. I was at a party, I'd had a couple beers and besides, I was damaged goods anyway. It took a very long time to deal with all of it and stop believing that, and some of the comments and attitudes I see on here and in other similar forums just bring all that back. That's why I fight, that's why I educate myself and try to educate others, that's why I won't give up until no other child (girl or boy) has to feel the way I did.
John 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Actually YOU do not know what YOU are talking about. It is statutory rape from 14 to 16, and under the age of 14 it is rape. And, yes, that is what she wrote -- she didn't SAY anything that I heard. Right, being victimized a second time by having a doctor perform a D&C or, better yet, just wait and do a late term! Why don't you just read "A Modest Proposal" by Swift. You shouldl fit right in.
JMO 9 months, 3 weeks ago
" 566.032. 1. A person commits the crime of statutory rape in the first degree if he has sexual intercourse with another person who is less than fourteen years old.
566.034. 1. A person commits the crime of statutory rape in the second degree if being twenty-one years of age or older, he has sexual intercourse with another person who is less than seventeen years of age.
I'm willing to agree they are both statutory rape. I've had a baby. I can assure you, a short surgical procedure would be nothing compared to 9 months of pregnancy, labor and delivery. My son was born out of love, but I can't imagine the mental and physical torment of being forced to carry and give birth that was the product of hate and violence.
JMO 9 months, 3 weeks ago
seeno has been reading the same things as me.
usatoday. com/news/ religion/story/2012-08-22/ akin-rape-remarks/57216350/1
seeno 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Whoops! I left out a part in #1. If you are a female who has reached puberty and you are ovulating or very near ovulating and sperm enters the birth canal you are subject to becoming pregnant.
seeno 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm not giving my opinion on abortion. My comment pertains to legitimate rape vs non legitimate rape and whether or not women can get pregnant from that rape. Actually, the pro-life movement is damaging their own image when they make the assertion that women rarely get pregnant from a legitimate rape based on unproven facts.
JMO 9 months, 3 weeks ago
6%? Wow....that makes it higher than non-rape.
washingtonpost. com/ blogs/ezra-klein/ wp/2012/08/20/ study-rape-victims-have-a-higher-pregnancy-rates-than-other-women/
I'm not sure I believe it's actually higher, but I'm darn sure it's the same. cnn.com/2012 /08/21/health/ rape-pregnancy/index. html
You are completely right in your statement that there is "corrupted science" created to move forward a political agenda. It's the "science" to which Akin was refering.
Paroquet 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Grace,
Wow. You can lead a horse to water... Cease trying to dictate your morals unto others, leave judgment to your God where it belongs.
I'll put the same challenge to you I did to another in your camp; how many foster children to you provide for, and how many unconditional adoption waiting lists are you on? I've one child, and one fostern. I'm not currently looking to adopt on account dealing with two teens absorbs much of my time, as does playing "uncle" to another half-dozen ages 3 and up.
I'm also pro choice. No one who knows me would call me evil, and you missed the part about me being an Ordained Minister.
Either your version of God gives you the right to choose, or your destiny is predetermined. If the former, it is for God alone to judge and you are removing God's gift to choose against yours. If the other, it is God's will and your duty to accept. Pick one, and stick with it.
FussyOno 9 months, 3 weeks ago
So, your'e doing nothing, then.
Paroquet 9 months, 3 weeks ago
It's evil because Graceful says so. Right, got it. LoL!
I'm not dictating anyone's morals. I'm saying that if you don't like abortion, don't have one. None of my business. You're stipulating that an embryo incapable of being sustained outside of the womb must be carried to natural term, regardless.
I'm not the one suggesting my will be imposed on anyone.
BubbaD 9 months, 3 weeks ago
But who will protect the innocent woman who is raped and pregnant? Who will protect the innocent woman whose pregnancy threatens her own life?
In those circumstances, it should be clear to anyone that it MUST be the woman who decides for herself. Anyone who says differently would insert their judgement for hers. When it is her life in balance with the unborn's life, why must the decision go to the unborn? Why does the govt or the church get to make this choice? The answer is they should not. It must be the woman's choice.
asb 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Global warming vs "we can't be sure, it might be dog gas." Creationism/Intelligent design vs geology/physics/biology. And now, the "medical debate" with most people "not able to choose between two sides." on the issue of rape and pregnancy.
There are not two sides. There is established science, which most people should be exposed to in high school, and there's smoke screen schill science, done by a handful of paid and deluded "experts" who's job it is to cast doubt on the established science. It may well be that only a handful of people think for themselves, were awake in biology class, or have learned (in spite of the Texas ethos "we don't need no critical thinkin here") to look at the issue ard realize that there is no scientific issue here, just one of blowing smoke. But I hope there's more than just that handful, or the liars have won.
asb 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Would that be physics, chemistry, biology, anthropology, astronomy . . . Grace, take your time and compose an example of even one field of science that is corrupted in any way or form to further any agenda but "creation science" or intelligent design, global warming denial or UFOs. Originality would be worderful but frankly with the best minds of the FRight wing and FOX already repeating themselves I don't hold much hope you'll come up with anything that doesn't induce laughter
asb 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Actually there is absolutely no evidence that any of the physical sciences or mathmatics that underlie climate science, or climatology as a specific science, are corrupt at all. There is no evidence to ignore. The personality squabbles, the fake statistics, the obfuscation by carbon-sellers and their highly paid schills, the lord Mochton's, the Rush Limbaughs, the whole denialist kaboodle is what's corrupt, and arguably cause for organized resistance and even action. The little divorce you so joyfuly call for and foment, will seem a catfight compared to the global strife walking directly at us in full view, made ghosts of not concern only by denialists and energy profiteers. But that's another thread
Paroquet 9 months, 3 weeks ago
And theocrats are the distributors-in-chief of pseudo-science and falsification of data, as happened during the early days of climate change announcements.
Remember, the earth is flat, the Sun & everything else revolve it, and Earth was created 6,000+/-yrs ago on Tuesday, October 9th. Galileo was a madman and a heretic, and Elvis lives!
mmhh 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Hello? Conner's statement, "This isn't about science it is about a woman's right to declare a situation rape when they want and no one with a dissenting opinion is allowed to be heard let alone have any say whatsoever. " How did you all let that go or did you all just stop reading his comments by that time?
Does my rapist from back in college get a "say" on whether or not that unwanted intercourse was rape? I bet he had a "dissenting opinion".
Conner appears to be voting for Akin no matter what.
I can't believe no one jumped on that one!!!!!
Sequoia 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You're getting mixed up there, Grace. Don't forget the topic we're on.
Conner's comment about a woman's "right to declare a situation rape" is in the context of receiving an abortion in the face of a statute that restricts abortion except in the case of rape or incest. Connor seems worried women might try to lie in this situation.
We're not talking about a criminal trial against the accused rapist. Of course an accused rapist has a right to "have a say" in whether the accused is going to be convicted of rape. That's not what Connor was talking about.
What Connor is suggesting is that someone should be able to lodge a "dissenting opinion" when the question is whether a woman has been raped for the purposes of a forcible rape exception to a statute restriction abortion.
What Connor seems to be saying (and it is as ugly as mmhh suggests) is that a woman has to meet a certain burden of proof that she was raped before she can get an abortion. In Connor's world, a date rapist could testify that she really wanted it, so it wasn't rape, and force the woman to bear the child (perhaps as a way for him to maintain power over her). "She had sex with many men, your Honor. She clearly wanted it from me. Now judge, force that woman to bear my child."
It's a sick world.
Sequoia 9 months, 3 weeks ago
And how exactly is it going to be "substantiated"? What evidence will suffice for you to overcome adverse testimony from the ONLY other person who was there: the accused rapist?
What "evidence" do you forsee will be presented at these pre-abortion hearings you want to hold?
A woman seeking abortion shouldn't have to answer any of your questions.
Paroquet 9 months, 3 weeks ago
"Unidentified assailant" "Waited a week to muster the courage to tell/report." "No physical evidence remaining."
Or in the case of some young ladies: "Hymen has been missing for a period of time long before the alleged rape occurred." "Alleged victim known to have had more than one partner."
Talk about barbaric questions & examinations to have to endure. And then someone wants a third party privy to information that would be atty-client, clergy-parishoner, and doctor-patient privileged info? Pfft. Sorry bub. That's about as far left of conservative as they come.
JMO 9 months, 3 weeks ago
A co-ed goes to a frat party, a couple of guys hold her down and rape her. Or: A woman goes to a bar and while innocently chatting with a man, he slips something in her drink. She comes to in an alley, having clearly been assualted. Neither woman reports it out of shame, thinking she let herself get into that position.
A woman is accosted at knife point, she submits to her masked rapist. Even if she reports it, there is no way she can "name her rapist."
A woman is out on a date with a man she recently met, even though she clearly says she doesn't want to have sex, she is forced. He tells her he'll hurt her family if she reports it, so she remains quiet.
After being assaulted, a woman moves to escape a stalker...reporting the assault will lead to him knowing her whereabouts, so she keeps quiet.
All these horrible women...not giving these fine men their "right" to have a say in whether it was rape.
eileen10 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I can't count the number of times tears have spilled over either in rage or hurting for women such as TickledPink.As women we shouldn't have to remain silent when rape occurs due to threats or fear and the same is true for men. some of the men who have posted on this thread have been sensitive and kind. For that I thank you. I was a victim once and when it almost happened a second time as I was walking to my car after having done some shopping all the rage and hate came to the surface and I almost killed him. a police officer came by, saw what was happening and pulled me off of him and he was bigger than me.Not the cop. The wannabe rapist plus he had a warrant out on him for raping a young girl. It was real good therapy. Better than the shrink.
JMO 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I left out an example. A naive, wallflower of an 18 year old, flattered at the attention of guys for the first time, goes to a dorm room with a boy she met at a party, thinking there won't be anything but a little kissing and petting. The boy has other ideas. I wasn't raped, but it was a close thing and if I had been, I would never have reported it. I would have been too ashamed, feeling like I "asked for it". Of course that isn't true and I know that now. But no woman should ever be made to feel that way.
asb 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Well, just to keep the thread focused here's the biscuit again, the fundamentalists and many others say abortion kills humans and the law says it doesn't, in early term, or that the mother has that right regardless. Does humanity start with birth, with consciousness, or with conception, and does the new human even have to be derived from a zygote. Your certainty is biblical, my uncertainty about where to draw lines come from reality. The debate will be decided more than once, and in court, not in church and will not be swayed by accusations of brutal capital murder,
connor 9 months, 3 weeks ago
And the emotion continues. I certainly hope some readers can see the forest despite the individual trees as every proponent for "at will rape claims" can pull a monster rapist from the past out of their bag to show you.
There is absolutely no reasonable discussion that can be had on this topic and to have an opinion other than whatever the "victim" says is true or wants to do about it will automatically label you a rapist or monster or victim blamer of some kind yourself.
I can understand why the emotions run so deep with this topic. From one end of the spectrum to another but that isn't the point.
The point is that it blinds many to everything else and creates it's own victims as well. Even those with good intentions.
FussyOno 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Logic and science show us through genetics and epigenetics that traits can be passed on to our offspring. There are examples of rape being used by some species as a means of passing on their genetic material. I personally feel the Human Genome would be better served by eliminating this possibility, just as we incarcerate undesirables for long periods thereby eliminating their possibility of passing their bad genes. I don't have any uncertainty.
FussyOno 9 months, 3 weeks ago
No. The child is not guilty. It is simply the carrier of bad genetics. It may not manifest the undesirable trait. It's offspring may. If a means of isolating the bad trait and removing it were available to us it would be in our best interest as a species to do so. This would preserve the individuals possible contribution to humanity. In the interim the best option is to stop the proliferation of the bad seed. As every farmer does. You keep the good seed. You discard the bad. It's not about retribution against the child of rape. It's about policing the future of the Human Race.
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