Debate joined on Medicare; Romney, Obama go at it
Wednesday, August 15, 2012
WASHINGTON (AP) — Mitt Romney accused President Barack Obama in person and in TV advertising Tuesday of cutting Medicare “to pay for Obamacare,” launching a strong counterattack to Democratic charges he and running mate Paul Ryan would radically remake the popular health care program that serves tens of millions of seniors.
The charge drew a blistering response from Obama’s campaign, which labeled the ad dishonest and hypocritical.
Obama “has taken $716 billion out of the Medicare trust fund. He’s raided that trust fund,” Romney said at a campaign stop in Beallsville, Ohio, as he neared the end of a multi-state bus trip punctuated by his weekend selection of a ticket mate.
“And you know what he did with it? He’s used it to pay for Obamacare, a risky, unproven, federal takeover of health care. And If I’m president of the United States, we’re putting the $716 billion back,” he said.
Aides said a commercial containing the same allegation would begin airing immediately in several battleground states, although they declined to provide details.
In a campaign without summer doldrums, the rival sets of ticket mates campaigned in a half-dozen of the most hotly contested states, in settings as diverse as a coal mine in Ohio (Romney); a wind farm in Iowa (Obama) and a casino in Nevada (Ryan.)
Vice President Joe Biden stirred controversy in Virginia when he said the Republicans would favor the big banks over the interests of consumers. He said Romney has said he is “going to let the big banks once again write their own rules. Unchain Wall Street.”
“They’re going to put y’all back in chains,” Biden told his audience.
Romney’s campaign reacted strongly, saying the comments were “not acceptable in our political discourse and demonstrate yet again that the Obama campaign will say and do anything to win this election.”
But that tempest was modest compared to the building struggle over Medicare.
Romney’s criticism on that subject appeared an attempt to gain some measure of control over an issue likely to play a significant role in the outcome of the election. Florida, Pennsylvania and Iowa are among the top five states in the country in the percentage of people 65 and over, and all three are battleground states.
In a rebuttal issued shortly after the Romney TV ad was released, Obama spokeswoman Lis Smith said the president’s health care law did not “cut a single guaranteed Medicare benefit, and Mitt Romney embraced the very same savings when he promised he’d sign Paul Ryan’s budget. ...The truth is that the Romney-Ryan budget would end Medicare as we know it.”
In the days leading to Ryan’s selection, opinion polls generally showed a close race with Obama holding a modest advantage despite a sluggish economy and unemployment of 8.3 percent. Romney’s pick for a running mate drew enthusiastic support from conservatives pleased that he had tapped a lawmaker known as an intellectual leader of the effort to rein in big government benefit programs and reduce future deficits.
But Democrats, too, said they were happy with the selection. They have quickly set out to draw attention to Ryan’s plans, which contain deep cuts in projected spending in social programs as well as changes to Medicare for future retirees, and to try and saddle Romney with their political ownership.
Polling generally shows the public places more trust in Democrats’ ability to handle Medicare than they do Republicans, and that people also generally oppose plans to replace the current program with one in which future seniors receive a fixed amount of money from the government to be used to purchase health coverage.
At the same time, polling shows the public strongly believes the financial security of Medicare as well as Social Security must be guaranteed for the long term, and government reports for years have warned of a looming shortfall if something isn’t done to change course.
Ryan and Romney have both cited a desire to right the program’s finances as a motive for their plans.
Moreover, Romney’s attack during the day suggests he hopes to overcome a generic Republican disadvantage on the issue by telling voters that Obama has cut spending for a program that is overwhelmingly popular, and put the money toward one that is controversial.
“So now the money you paid for your guaranteed health care is going for a massive new government program that’s not for you,” says the announcer in the ad, referring to the health care law Obama signed into law in 2010. “The Romney-Ryan plan protects Medicare benefits for today’s seniors and strengthens the plan for the next generation,” the ad concludes.
Ryan, interviewed on Fox News Channel, said he and Romney believe Medicare can be a winning issue for Republicans in the fall. “Absolutely, because we’re the ones who are offering a plan to save Medicare, to protect Medicare, to strengthen Medicare,” he said.
Ryan didn’t say so, but the budgets he has written in the House both called for leaving in place the cuts to Medicare that he is now criticizing. Romney has consistently favored restoring the funds, and his running mate said, “I joined the Romney ticket.”
Romney decided to go on the attack on one issue as the president’s re-election campaign sharply criticized him on another.
“Romney’s plans would cut college aid for nearly 10 million students ... and eliminate the tax deduction for college tuition,” says a new television commercial that Obama’s re-election campaign said would run in several battleground states. The commercial cites estimates from the budgets Ryan has prepared as chairman of the House Budget Committee, and Romney’s own proposals.

Comments
RobHunterJohnson 9 months, 1 week ago
Medicare Vouchers /Ryan Rob
GrumpyGus 9 months, 1 week ago
Obamacare = -$700 million from medicare...and Obummer still defends it.
GrumpyGus 9 months, 1 week ago
If you every actually read about the legend you would know that Robin Hood stole from the Government who was stealing from everybody and lining the pockets of their buddies. In real life read Solyndra, Tesla, GM, unions, GE, etc. So I think I would wear the Romney Hood badge with honor at this point.
RobHunterJohnson 9 months, 1 week ago
Romeny hood is giving it back to the sheriff! Rob
GrumpyGus 9 months, 1 week ago
SS status quo...the end of SS as we know it.
clingingredneck 9 months, 1 week ago
Thank goodness. That was the start of communism in this country and it can go right back to Russia. We can do better than this.
RobHunterJohnson 9 months, 1 week ago
Young republicans get old too! Rob
dokeus6 9 months, 1 week ago
washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/13/what-did-ayn-rand-teach-paul-ryan-about-monetary-policy/
Read some of the comments also. This is a good read on our prospective vp.
GrumpyGus 9 months, 1 week ago
Luckily this is written by WP...so obviously there will be no left wing bias or anything made up on anything s/
dokeus6 9 months, 1 week ago
foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/14/republicans-should-be-careful-what-wish-for-with-paul-ryan-on-ticket/
oh sorry Gus. Here is one from your favorite new source.
Oh I liked the one statement near the bottom that the Romney/Ryan budget would cut 4 million jobs over the next 2 years and the one about "the Romney-Ryan plan would raise taxes on 95% of Americans but give extra tax breaks to the already-rich"
but I guess I'm still out of touch with reality.
GrumpyGus 9 months, 1 week ago
doke...You are saying Sally Kohn and Ezra Klein aren't leftists? You need to get a reality check. Remember Fox airs both sides, but they admit it, as do you now. WP claims objectivity as does CBSNBSABSCNNMSNBS...but they get their ledes from the DNC.
dokeus6 9 months, 1 week ago
Grace, This is an example of what you really think about other people's opinion's. I guess you feel you are the only one on this forum who can have an opinion. If you want to troll and bash other's then act like Mary on High, there is something really wrong.
I am tired of the right dictating to me what I'm supposed to think. I have a mind of my own and I will make those decisions for myself.
Please refrain from trying to discredit others' opinions by bashing us and we can all try to have a serious discussion about our opinions without being constantly assailed by someone who has no manners.
You are creating a environment of hatred and discontent and personally I don't like it.
RobHunterJohnson 9 months, 1 week ago
dokeus6 I have a mind too and I and alot of other folks are not going to take this Republican Hogwash sitting down. Thanks for staying in this I have to work all day. Rob
dokeus6 9 months, 1 week ago
But as long as I'm still in touch with reality is all i care about.
You two can have your opinions that's fine.
But don't tell me what I'm supposed to think.
I'm not a child so don't talk down to me like I am one and we will be just fine.
GrumpyGus 9 months, 1 week ago
I will be fine because I can argue from a position of knowledge. You got owned and now don't want to debate the issue and choose now to accuse me of telling you how to think. I simply would ask you to put some thought into what you post. Otherwise you look silly.
dokeus6 9 months, 1 week ago
A position of knowledge?
Where does your position of knowledge come from?
As far as being owned, I don't really think you want to go there Gus.
JCLifer 9 months, 1 week ago
Sequestration is going to force massive cuts throughout government anyway in January, so things are going down the toilet no matter what. Government service will be shut down, military will be layed off, benefit payments will stop, etc.
washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-danger-of-obamas-inaction-on-sequestration/2012/07/30/gJQAzPvHLX_story.html
RobHunterJohnson 9 months, 1 week ago
JC Lifer, Congress is the answer? We just need to get rid of the Republican who signed the Norquist pledge for starters, staring with Vickie Hartzler, are you seeing this Blane, get ready it will soon be on your door step. Rob
online_editor 9 months ago
No matter who's doing it, here's what can derail civil discussion. Using various forms of ad hominem accusations become problematic, especially when they're extended to specific individuals participating here, and doubly especially when they're repeated ad infinitum. For example: The left or right is destroying the country (collective guilt). You are a left-wing or right-wing crackpot (association fallacy). Thus, you and your kind are destroying the country (guilt by association). It could be argued the first statement is a general political opinion, but the second and third become accusations that often garner additionally inflammatory responses. Here's what would improve the quality of discussion, IMHO. Simply tell us what's bad or good about various aspects of an issue. Let us know how you analyze the issues involved, not how you analyze the other forum participants. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune
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