Smoking bans approved in Jefferson City, Fulton

Stan Cowan writes down numbers as Felicia Poettgen receives the final results of Fulton’s vote at the Smokefree Jefferson City watch party Tuesday at O’Donoghues Steaks & Seafood.

Stan Cowan writes down numbers as Felicia Poettgen receives the final results of Fulton’s vote at the Smokefree Jefferson City watch party Tuesday at O’Donoghues Steaks & Seafood. Photo by Stephen Brooks.

By Ben Yarnell

Wednesday, November 3, 2010

When the dust settled after Tuesday night’s election, Jefferson City voters made it known that they want clearer air in their bars and restaurants by passing the city’s smoking ban with 58 percent of the vote.

The ban, which will officially go into effect in February, passed by a 7,208-5,248 margin, according to complete, but unofficial, results.

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Meanwhile, patrons of Fulton businesses soon will be breathing smoke-free air after Fresh Air Fulton’s question to prohibit smoking in enclosed places of employment — including restaurants and bars — won a close race Tuesday with 53.85 percent of the yes vote.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

And the people have spoken! :-)

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

And the people have put their mouth were it don't belong!

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123abcxyz 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm glad the people have stood up for what they want. I;m sick and tire of being seated in the non-smoking section of the restaurant and having to deal with the smoke wafting over my table. I'm allergic to cigarette smoke and have to deal with horrible migraines after breathing it even after a short period of time. I can't go to a bar with my friends because I will be ill for days from having to deal with the cigarette smoke. It takes very little cigarette smoke to become toxic in a small area. It's too bad the people who do smoke don't care enough to smoke outside so that more people could enjoy spending money in those establishments. I'm glad that the nonsmokers finally can breathe some fresh air while enjoying their dinner and maybe a drink at the bar. Too bad it doesn't apply to the SMOKE FREE capitol building - those people who make the laws but think it doesn't apply to them. Disgusting to make the school children visiting walk through the cigarette smoke in the hallways on the west end of the first floor and the 3rd floors and 4th floors. P U

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hbic 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't agree 123. I believe that if you don't want the smoke around, don't go into place that allow it at all.

I was a smoker, now a nonsmoker. If I don't want to be around it.....I don't go anywhere that allows it.

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rodinman 2 years, 6 months ago

A sad, sad day when business owners must kow tow to folks with no fidicuary interest in the business. Newone, the peolpe have spoken when they should have remained quiet.

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123abcxyz 2 years, 6 months ago

who do you think spends the money in those businesses? Not only smokers.

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TheRickster 2 years, 6 months ago

Now for all you folks that want to tell a bussiness owner how to operate,,,patronize that place. I'll dumb it down for some,,that means to go to all the places where that smoke was and spend some money. Like where your nose is!!

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hbic 2 years, 6 months ago

I agree Rickster, now they have nothing to complain about.

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Finally 2 years, 6 months ago

I agree this is a very sad day. I hope all the non-smokers that whined about not being able to go some these places because of the smoking will start going there after Feb 2nd. If they don't go there and support these businesses and they close then it just will prove that the whiners are just self-centered hypocrites thinking they know what's best for everyone else.

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

I agree, but I can almost be certain they wont. Columbia had smoking ban and business did close and I'm sure business will suffer here also.

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gofish 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm unaware of any Columbia businesses that closed their doors. If a business was successful before the ban, they will continue to be successful. Plain and simple!

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

Some bars in columbia suffered greatly, in fact Jefferson city bars customer base increased when columbias smoking ban took effect.

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

Here is a link for you to become aware, business did close, why dont people educate themselves before they vote on something. Everybody seems pretty lazy these days. http://booneliberty.org/StopTheBan/

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Frankenstein27 2 years, 6 months ago

As a minarchist conservative, I think this is sad and wrong. As someone who likes to drink but doesn't like to sneeze, I couldn't be happier! (Don't live in JC, but work, shop, and patronize lots of businesses here.)

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Finally 2 years, 6 months ago

Online editor - why are the real names of the bloggers showing. On this issue I don't mine my name being shown but there might be other issues I wouldn't want my name showing. Please take care of this.

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Jigger 2 years, 6 months ago

I am a non-smoker and can't stand going in a restaurant and sitting next to someone smoking and coming out smelling like smoke. But I have to say this ban is wrong. I will still go eat in those restaurants. But telling a private business owner how to run his business is wrong. Next thing will be banning smoking outside. This used to be a free country but is more and more not so free. If you don't like the smoke don't go inside and go somewhere else.

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

That is right on, it seems anymore that people think they need parents in form of the government to tell them what to do.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

Your right Finally we are the self-centered ones...we are the ones that expose everyone else to harmful smoke just for our enjoyment!

And just and FYI the online editor cannot take your name off, you have to do that yourself, try going under your profile.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

This ban is not any different then them telling us we cannot drink and drive, or drink when your under 21 or go above the posted speed limit..ect... I guess you all would be willing to give up those laws just because it is the government telling you what you can and cannot do?

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

If you give them an inch they will certainly take a mile.

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Finally 2 years, 6 months ago

Newone - thanks on the profile, I didn't have to do that with the old format.

I've this question several times on here when the issue is in the paper. Which places that allow smoking are you non-smokers wanting to go to but won't. I never get an answer so, I would like to know.

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jeffcitygirl 2 years, 6 months ago

Gofish- Lou's Palace, the Colesseum, Rack & Roll and the Bull Pen all closed and blamed the smoking ban. Pool halls defintely seem to be the one type of bar that suffer the most...

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

Yep, people just seem to think they can just vote on something they no nothing about and it wont effect anybody.

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CL 2 years, 6 months ago

The real issue is simply freedoms being erroded with the help of hypocracy. Fine, you want to dictate what a business can do, why stop with smoking? Trust me, there are those who won't stop with banning smoking. Sadly the Lemmings will follow. My question is why not just ban the sale of cigs in Jeff City, Fulton and Columbia?$$ Pure nanny state hypocracy IMHO!

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

Yep, It wont stop there before you know it this will be like state of California, broke and full of hypocritical laws.

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Finally 2 years, 6 months ago

Thanks Lige. Let's see if I did it right.

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JCLifer 2 years, 6 months ago

What's the big deal? Just man up and quit! Do you really like lung cancer?

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

The big deal is our Liberty, or did you forget you have some Liberty left? Let me guess your age is like 19.

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yonomo 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't like eating in a smoke filled place as much as the next person, but I still feel it should have been up to the owner of the business.

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hbic 2 years, 6 months ago

That's exactly how I feel yonomo.

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Finally 2 years, 6 months ago

So, once again I haven't got an answer from the non-smokers on which place allows smoking that you wouldn't go to but will after Feb. 2nd next year.

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jeffcitygirl 2 years, 6 months ago

Has anyone read the acutal wording of the law? What is the penalty for non compliance? Who gets the fine, the bar owner or the patron? What happens if the bar owner simply doesn't enforce the ban in their bar, do they lose their liquor license? SO many unknowns that you sheeple went and voted in without knowing the true impact...

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

I bet not one of them read the law, your right bahhhhh sheeple.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

El Jimadores for one...LOVE the food but refuse to go because the smoke is unreal...The Bowling Ally ...would love to take my kids bowling but refuse because you can't even breath because of all of the smoke...LongHorns---full of smoke, just nasy....shall I continue?

And your welcome ont he profile thing..took me a bit to figure it out also.

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

I cant stand the smell of some perfume should that be outlawed too?

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CommonSense 2 years, 6 months ago

The difference is, second hand perfume scents may be irritating but they do not cause cancer. (Plus many work places have enacted a scent free building policy anyway.)

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

and I will ask my question again since I didn't get an answer would you all be willing to allow people to drive drunk or people under 21 to drink or forgo the speen limits on our road...these are laws that tell us what we can and can not do..how are they any different?

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

I dont drive my car inside of a private place. Havent you ever heard of private? A business or home is a private place not public, that is the difference, people are making what is private into public. Educate yourself and protect your liberty or you will lose it.

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CommonSense 2 years, 6 months ago

You never drive your car on private property or to a private establishment? Really? That doesn't mean you can't be arrested for driving drunk.

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JCsleeper 2 years, 6 months ago

Will patronize the following after February when the smoke clears.

Eateries: Jimadors, Longhorns, Coltons, Chilis, Rubys, Perkins and more. Drinkeries: Spectators, Mikes(if they refurb), Spot, Bones, Welcome, Reds, Kegley's and more.

This is less money to be spent in Columbia.

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jeffcitygirl 2 years, 6 months ago

Because those laws protect our lives..and affect individuals not business owners and their property and profits.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

Second hand smoke doesn't affect people's lifes? My son is allergic to smoke if he is around it he has a very bad reaction and can end up in the hospital....second hand smoke has been proven to cause cancer..that doesn't affect people!!! Are you kidding me?

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

There is no proof of second hand smoke causing cancer. shoe proof.

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CommonSense 2 years, 6 months ago

Are you kidding me? There is NO proof that second hand smoke causes cancer? Interesting. I guess it's safe to say then driving drunk doesn't increase your risk of an accident. Here I am "shoe"-ing you proof.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

and sure it does..you know how much more business a bar could get if they were allowed to sell beer to minors?

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

If your 18 you should be able to drink after all your old enough to be shipped off to war and die if your 18.

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Finally 2 years, 6 months ago

Thanks for answering my question newone and JCsleeper.

Jeffcitygirl good answer and also smoking does not impair our driving, our thinking, or our reflex time.

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jeffcitygirl 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm fine with restaurants not being allowed to have smoke...due to food and the fact that children are there who do not have a choice. But how is second hand smoke hurting yoru child in an over 21 establishment?

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jeffcitygirl 2 years, 6 months ago

I still want to know what the details are of this ordinance..what are the fines? Who is going to enforce it? So many questions unanswered!

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

your right it doesn't impair our driving, our thinking, or our reflex time..but it does impair our breathing and our lungs but I guess those aren't as important!

And jeffcitygirl I agree with the establishment over 21..I don't think they should have been part of the smoking ban but unfortunatly they were and if in order to get the smoking ban passed for resaurants it had to pass for bars also then so be it..wish they could have seperated the two but they didn't.

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

The chemicals being sprayed in the air daily is far worse than cig smoke but I dont here anybody around here saying a word about it. Sheeple.

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TheRickster 2 years, 6 months ago

If Jeff City was really serious about this smoking issue,,why not leave off the taxes they get from the sales of ciggs? Shame on you,,take the money but do it somewhere else! I never smoked, ciggerettes, but I'll be darned if I want to tell a business what they can do. Quit comparing this to drinking age, or speeding,and other limits. If you don't see that this is a rights issue for businesses then you will as soon as one of your freedoms is taken away. Most of you do-gooders probably don't wear a seatbelt when driving, maybe no helmet would be another choice.

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PixieChick 2 years, 6 months ago

newone - I'm deathly allergic to poultry, and know of at least 30 other people that are as well. I guess to be "fair" all the eateries in town should be forced to not allow chicken or turkey products to be prepared or served...oh wait, let me guess, you want your chicken sandwich and don't care that the grease your smoke allergic son smears on the underside of the table could kill me...and yes cancer does kill people, and for the record scientific research has proven that long term exposure to red meat, alcohol, coffee, aspartame, diet soda, factory raised poultry, trans fats, and any fruit/vegtable grown commercially and treated with a pesticide/herbacide will also cause cancer, you gonna lead the ban on all of those too?

practice what you preach you hypocrite -- if the "public" establishments are forced to not provide anything that anyone could be allergic to, then we will have no "public" establishments. Leave the business decisions to the business owners and vote with your dollars instead.

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

Oh dont forget coltons and the peanuts im allergic to them but they are everywhere ban peanuts

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

Last time I checked poultry doesn't fly around and get in people's lungs, it only affects the people who eat it..so that is a silly comparison. If smoke didn't get in my lungs then I would have NO issue with smoking in public places.

And sorry TheRickster I will compare it to those things because it is the same thing, the law is telling you that you cannot drive above a certain speed limit that is telling us what we can and cannot do it is the same thing and a rights issue, I should have the right to drive as fast as I want to, it is my car and my life so why should the law be able to tell me to slow down!

If not wanting to get lung cancer or have my son hospitalized is being a do-gooder then ok I guess I am.

I am finished with this conversation, it passed and thank God for that because now we can all breath a little better! :-) Have great day all!

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

A restaurant is not public it is private so that just goes to show how little people know.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

sorry one last thing Pixiechick you should really calm down before have a heart attack, your right all of those things do cause cancer, never said they didn't but the big diffrence here is that the person chooses to eat/drink those items it does not effect anyone else around them, smoking effects everyone even if they choose not to smoke...which is my point it effects people regardless if they choose to do it or not.

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

No it does not you do not have to go where there is smoking these places are private not public you have a right to choose where you go, oh wait you now do not have a right anymore if you are a smoker.

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PixieChick 2 years, 6 months ago

newone - better check your facts again, no you do NOT have to eat poultry to suffer an allergic reaction to it, or any allergen for that matter. If a child wear to smear their chicken nugget grease coated fingers on the underside of a table and my leg came into contact with it, then I have an allergic reaction that is commonly referred to as anaphalxis. So yes, my comparison is accurate. You stated earlier "My son is allergic to smoke if he is around it he has a very bad reaction and can end up in the hospital....second hand smoke has been proven to cause cancer..that doesn't affect people!!! Are you kidding me?", this implies that a hospital visit is not a definate; however, if i'm exposed to poultry then 911 has to be called or i'm dead. So again, I'll quote you "it effects people regardless if they choose to do it or not"...but its the hypocrites of this world, like yourself, that doesn't care as long as they get their own way. I'm not a smoker, never have been, never will be; I am a breast cancer survivor: I'm a whole lot of things, including calm...I'm just not a hypocrite.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

ok

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JCLifer 2 years, 6 months ago

This new law is no different than the existing laws telling business owners to abide by certain building codes, food sanitation laws, etc. The people have spoken! If it is such a big deal, just go somewhere else out in the county or stay home. Better yet, quit smoking!

I can't believe that the best thing a business has to offer is a place to go smoke. If that is all that keeps people coming, perhaps they "need" to go out of business.

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gforce9 2 years, 6 months ago

That is okay we will just make the establishments private clubs where you must be a member to enter. The law will not be able to enforce the smoking ban then.

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justme 2 years, 6 months ago

newone, your comparison to speed limits is flawed as well. Speed limits only apply to publicly owned roads, highways. But a person has the right to buy their own land and build their own roads. Speed limits (all driving laws too) do not apply on PRIVATELY owned property. That's why Nascar drivers don't get speeding tickets. Driving laws do not even apply in a business' parking lot because it is privately owned.

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sumtimesiwunder 2 years, 6 months ago

JCSleeper, you need to check your facts on those places. Some are already closed & out of buisiness. And all of you need to quit griping. It went on the ballot, people had the RIGHT to vote their opinion. If those that didn't want it to go through didn't vote, well then, there you go. No vote = no outcome in your favor. And bars had to be included because they can serve food to those under 21 until 9pm. Children are allowed in most bars until 9pm so the underage are affected. I'm a smoker and I'm actually glad it passed. I could've smoked in or outside. My choice. If we smokers have to go outside now, so be it. It could a helluva lot worse, you know. A lot worse.

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jeffcitygirl 2 years, 6 months ago

sumtimes..I looked at jcsleepers list and don't see any one that he mentioned that is closed. Which one is closed?

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tarcar 2 years, 6 months ago

Not saying the ban is right, but I just gotta say - I used to love bowling in Columbia as an occasional sub because I didn't smell like an ashtray afterward. Unfortunately where I bowl now on a regular basis isn't affected by this new ban.

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DUH 2 years, 6 months ago

well said jclifer!!

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mmhh 2 years, 6 months ago

To answer the question about where I will go after February 2nd that I didn't before.... TO BARS! I have only patronized the 2 nonsmoking bars in Jefferson City because I never wanted a "smoke hangover" the next day. I always left smoking bars smelling and feeling awful (and I don't drink). However, there are several local bands I have been wanting to hear and am very excited that I will soon be able to go hear some good music or shoot some pool without it affecting my lungs or making me smell like a smoker's mouth! Hooray for the smoking ban!

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rodinman 2 years, 6 months ago

Hopefully the privately owned establishments will go "private." Yearly membership of $5.00. Must show membership card to enter. Oh yeah, I don't smoke.

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Nathaniel37 2 years, 6 months ago

As a college student in Columbia, I can confirm the bars are alive and well here! Even without the air pollution. I am aware of a couple of bars closing, I read the Columbia Trib, so please spare me.

I have never been more proud of Jefferson City!

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beebee1 2 years, 6 months ago

I agree with Nathaniel. I will go out of my way, up to Columbia, just enjoy and nice dinner and/or a club just to be able to NOT smell like smoke afterwards. Give it time, I woud bet the farm that the businesses owners that don't agree will soon change their mind. Ask any owner in Columbia and ask how their revenues have increased or declined after the ordinance change there. I am proud of the citizens of JC to pass this issue. I had hoped for years it would change.

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rodinman 2 years, 6 months ago

Nathaniel37, you're proud that a business owner lost his right to run his establishment as he wishes Must be the liberal kool-aid you've been drinking.

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JCLifer 2 years, 6 months ago

With the gas money I'll save from not having to drive to Columbia, I can now spend it going out more here!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

most businesses and restaurants in JC don't have smoking sections to begin with. can Veterans smoke at the American Legion or VFW now?

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nana1976 2 years, 6 months ago

Look all you guys that smoke, you can go outside to smoke. Surely you dont have to have a cig. in your mouth THAT often ? But ur smoke cause SERIOUS health problems to others. And thats their right to a healthy life. This isnt really whether you get to smoke, its who gets to die from your smoke. You want lung problems...SMOKE. Just dont take me with you. COOL ?

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JCsleeper 2 years, 6 months ago

Wonder if this will hurt business for the local pulmonology, cardiology and oncology specialists? Bet they won't mind.

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JCLifer 2 years, 6 months ago

Why do you smokers keep smoking? With all the evidence out there documenting the harmful effects of tobacco smoke, who in their right mind would do that to their bodies?

Have you ever been around an emphazema patient in their final months?

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3kids 2 years, 6 months ago

Ask the owners of Madisons how it effected their business when Rob decided to go no smoking before the ban? I keep hearing about all of the businesses in columbia that closed their doors please please give us a list of those businesses and tell us were they struggling before the ban?

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

does this smoking ban mean that Veterans can't smoke at the VFW or American Legion? Business owners should choose whether to allow smoking or not. many things cause cancer, lets ban the sun. want clean air? lets ban cars, factories too while we are at it. this law i am not proud of. i do not like what people are saying to support the smoking ban, but i support your right to say it. lets be like Nazi Germany, the first modern country to ban smoking, don't believe me, then google it. wait i did it for you.

http://www.google.com.om/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=653&q=nazi+anti-smoking&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=38dbcaa20aae71f2

Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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mywords 2 years, 6 months ago

I for one am glad the ban passed. I am pregnant and have two small kids that I do not like to be exposed to smoke. Does this mean that we should not be able to go out eat? I LOVE Buffalo Wild Wings, but it is so dang smokey in there, I have only been once since they opened.

Having a smoing section in a resturaunt is like have a peeing section in a pool. Neither is a good fit, both gross and unsanitary!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

Paddy Malone's did a survey on what customers wanted, and they wanted no smoking inside, he did so, but he had a patio where they could smoke. he did it by his own CHOICE. not a government regulation, mandate, etc. most restaurants don't allow smoking to begin with a few exceptions. if you don't like the food, don't go there, same thing with smoking restaurants. i have been to B. Wild Wings many times, i never noticed the smoke. btw, can a Veteran legally smoke now at the American Legion or the VFW?

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HorseGlue4u 2 years, 6 months ago

NOPE. The Eagles have to amend their rules for this ,too.

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paddymalonespub 2 years, 6 months ago

To correct some of the speculation regarding our decision to go Smoke free in June of 2007: firstly, we did NOT survey our customers. I did ask a few key people, whose opinion I respect, what they thought of the idea and took their comments under advisement. Secondly, when we made the decision to go smoke free we we're in a position to do so, economically and logistically, but we were still prepared if the business did falter to sell the business and return to our former areas of employment. Thirdly, our business has changed dramatically since we went smoke free, the crowd has changed and we were in a position to accommodate that change. There are other businesses that are not in the advantageous position that we were in at that time, and they will suffer because of that. And FOURTHLY, we did not make the decision to go smoke free because we thought it was a savvy business decision, as some have suggested; we did it because both Marilee's and my father died from small cell lung cancer. To continue to expose ourselves to secondhand smoke day after day, week after week, was going to shorten our lives.

With all that being said, I still believe that telling a business owner that he must now work under a new set of rules, when he invested in this community under a previous set of rules, is not fair play. I ask you this; what if it was your business or livelihood? Would you want the government or the voters telling you that you had to change when you had established your business under a certain pretense? What is particularly surprising to me is that this constituency regularly supports political candidates who expound the virtues of free enterprise and less government regulation. Yet, in the case of the smoking ban, the voters supported a measure which restricts free enterprise and requires more government intervention. I have said many times, most people will gladly sacrifice the individual rights of others just so long as their own rights are not interfered with. This is blatant hypocrisy. But I don't know why I am surprised. Our government was not founded upon individual liberty for all; it was founded upon "liberty for the majority". If you don't believe me, just ask any Osage Indian.

Now, unlike many on this website, I will tell you exactly who I am, and how you can get ahold of me if you disagree with me, rather than continuing an ongoing p*ssing match online, please come talk to me and we can discuss it further:

Allen Tatman, Paddy Malone's Pub, 700 W. Main paddymalonespub@aol.com 573-761-5900

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online_editor 2 years, 6 months ago

Thank you, Allen, for taking the time to clarify those points for forum participants.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

Allen always a had a way of getting to the heart of the matter. sorry about the confusion, about the survey. i agree with you 100% on what you said, very true about the Osage Indians.

Will Yankausky, somewhere overseas. wcywing@mail.com

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snowbird 2 years, 6 months ago

The controversy of second hand smoke could be ended quickly by a simple act of legislation. Anyone presenting information represented as science or health reliant information, which is later found to be false or misleading, would be rewarded with a mandatory ten year jail sentence.

I can guarantee the bandwagon of smoker hatred would end overnight and the profiteers would be making deals in self preservation convicting each other

No one has the right to make health choices for others and no one has a right to demand rights to the detriment of others, especially with the convenience of a lie, as we find in the “toxic effect of second hand smoke”.

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snowbird 2 years, 6 months ago

A recent study of the owners, workers and customers revealed that 99% were against smoking bans

http://fightingback.homestead.com

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

snowbird you said "No one has the right to make health choices for others" yet smokers make that decission every day when they choose to put my health at risk by smoking and not giving a crud about who's health they effect around them!!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

i find fewer smokers in restaurants, businesses, etc. must will kindly put away the cig if someone asks politely. the people of Jefferson City have chosen to let the gov. be a nanny state. drivers put peoples health at risk by driving, should we ban that too now?

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Daddy 2 years, 6 months ago

Just to clear up a common misconception about private clubs. They can call themselves private clubs such as Jameys here in Jeff but if they have a state liquor license they cannot exclude the general public from comming into the establishment per their license agreement. This is why places like the KofC have to let the general public in to drink at the bar. Places like the Elks and Jameys may make you think you can't come in but it they ever deny you entrance you can call A&T control and their license will be yanked. Why is this important you ask? Because "private" clubs that serve alcohol will also have to abide by the smoking ban if the wish to continue serving alcohol unless it is a private club that will only serve cigs and no alcohol.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

wcywing I am curious where these people are because I have asked politely on several occassions and I get nothing but attitude and have been told to go to h** and if I didn't like it then I should leave, maybe I have just been exposed to very rude smokers but they ones I have been exposed to have left a very bad taste in my mouth and I know I shouldn't lump all of them into one group but when you deal with nothing but rude ones you tend to think they are all like that.

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Daddy 2 years, 6 months ago

This discussion is really kinda pointless. The voters have spoken and the smokers will deal with it end of story.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

newone, i guess i am lucky to see polite smokers. Daddy, actually its not the end of the story. the smoking ban can be amended, changed, rescinded or just plain ignored.

a friend of mine, who is more zealous than me on this issues suggested: "I'm offering a workout program for the clean air committee... I want to help them with their cry for "health" and since the ban isn't going to do anything to curb the number one killer in America (obesity/heart disease) ...I want to reach out and help them. Here are some tips to get them warmed up: 1.Eat out less 2. Go to bars less/drink less alcohol 3. For God's sake, get off your fat &^!@# and exercise." not me though. btw, can a Veteran legally smoke at the VFW or American Legion now that the ban has been passed?

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HorseGlue4u 2 years, 6 months ago

We voted, we won. Get over it. Kinda like : The score is 45-12....hhmmm, wonder who won...

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

who is we?? so what other freedoms do you want to vote away next?? so no one has answered my question. can a Veteran legally smoke at the VFW or American Legion?? These guys were against smoking too...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tob...

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Daddy 2 years, 6 months ago

LOL WC! it is pointless as an overwhelming majority of citizens said get lost smokers. You have a big hill to climb in order to get anything amended or repealed and I doubt any smoker has the lung capacity to get to the top of that hill. The difference between bad eating habits and smoking is with bad eating habits you are harming yourself with smoking you throw your smoke in innocent folks faces who don't want it. Smoke at home, again the citizens have spoken!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

it was not overwhelming. i am not a smoker, and no one has answered my question: can a veteran legally smoke at the VFW or American Legion? strange, smoking has been around a while, i do not see an epidemic of non-smokers with lung cancer. i have seen military folks who smoke outrun people that don't. Paddy's chose not to have smoking in the building but had a patio for smokers. yes the people have spoken and they want a nanny state.

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Mac1974 2 years, 6 months ago

On one hand, it's great that Jefferson City, Missouri finally decided to ban smoking. On the other hand, it's hard to believe they waited until latter 2010. Conservatism and "unhealthy" seem to be synonymous.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

well California and New York had smoking bans before JC, i don't think they are the bastions of Conservatism.

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Daddy 2 years, 6 months ago

Wc it's obvious you are a smoker and being a vet does not mean that you get to run rough shot over the rest of U.S. citizens. Bottom line you can smoke in your kitchen and choke yourself out but we've had enough. And just to answer your question thousands die each year as a result of second hand smoke.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

well, i can safely say you don't know jack about me. so the rest of the people can rough shot Veterans at the American Legion or VFW then? the feeling is mutual. i don't like what you said, but i support your right to say it.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

one more thing, you did not answer my question, the question was: can a veteran legally smoke at the VFW or American Legion?

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

Daddy, what are you going to ban next?

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jeffcitygirl 2 years, 6 months ago

Wcywing - no one can answer definitely b/c no where has the wording of the order been published online. People voted on something without even reading it...I want to know what the fines are, who enforces, will bar owners be fined if someone lights up and they don't stop them, etc...

I have heard that this ban even applies to VFW, American Legion & Eagles...

And wondering to the person who posted the rules about private clubs..then why does the Eagles get to lock the door to their bar adn you have to have special access to get in?

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jeffcitygirl 2 years, 6 months ago

And for the life of me I still can't figure out why they lump restaurants & bars together in these bills. I'm all for having clean air for the "general public" and kiddo's in restaurants having dinner...but I haven't seen too many people in a bar who DON'T smoke...or who really care about their health all that much as they guzzle down beer & liquor anyway.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

thanks jeffcitygirl for the answer, which is scary, no one knows if a Veteran can smoke at the VFW or American Legion. Daddy who posted the rules about private club, i would consider suspect, he did not list sources. i do agree about lumping restaurant and bars. most people smoke in a bar because it is the last refuge for smokers, those that don't smoke understand its a BAR. most restaurants and businesses choose not to have smoking. i don't see this discussion going away.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

i suppose egabtr1975 you want to give veterans the finger then. shouldn't they have a right to do what they want in their own private establishment?

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Mr_Grimm 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't care about the ban itself. I do think it should be overturned immediately! I do not think the law should apply to a small business. I think that should remain up to the person putting their blood, sweat, and everything else into their business. I do not believe I or you, have the right to tell a small business owner how to operate. I believe this law was unconstitutional against them. And yes, its a small business. So THEY have the right to smoke on their property and the RIGHT to tell you to get out if you don't like it. And I will not ask them to give it up, If your a small business owner, i'd sue the snot out of the city.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

that makes too much sense. great idea though.

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3kids 2 years, 6 months ago

wcywing you keep asking can a veteran smoke at the VFW or AL halls...can a veteran who doesnt smoke be allowed to enjoy his/her time in free air as they are vets too? You make it sound as all VETS smoke problem is there are alot of VETS in the JC area wonder how many voted to keep it smoke free?

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

i don't know if you been to the VFW or American Legion, however every time i go there, most of the guys there smoke. the few that don't smoke didn't complain. most businesses and restaurants are smoke free. those that have smoking sections are secluded. few places is what i would consider smoking havens. before the ban, if you were a smoker you can find a place to smoke. if a non-smoker or someone very allergic to smoke could find a place to eat/drink at easily.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

i don't know if you been to the VFW or American Legion, however every time i go there, most of the guys there smoke. the few that don't smoke didn't complain. most businesses and restaurants are smoke free. those that have smoking sections are secluded. few places is what i would consider smoking havens. before the ban, if you were a smoker you can find a place to smoke. if a non-smoker or someone very allergic to smoke could find a place to eat/drink at easily without the smoke.

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sillyrabbit 2 years, 6 months ago

How will we recover from the lost revenue from cigarette sales tax in the city?

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

good question, maybe they should have a smoke tax...

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3kids 2 years, 6 months ago

wcywing actually yes I have been to the VFW...the one in St Martins just this past Saturday...wait they went non smoking close to a year or more ago. Ive been to the American Legion and guess what the only area they allowed smoking was next to the bar area. They are non smoking for bingo weekly on Wednesdays and have been for over a year. Ive been to the VA hospital within the last 2 weeks and guess what NO smoking there either. Vets help us get and retain our freedoms but so do the civial servants of the USA as well. For every Vet theres a family that stands behind them. I lived on military bases for a very long time and guess what theres not that many that smoke compaired to the nonsmokers.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

the vets in St. Martin chose to go non-smoking, they did not need a city ordinance to do that. the VFW did allow a smoking section by their own CHOICE. Since when did a hospital ALLOW smoking? i don't think any hospital allows smoking. notice these establisments did so by their own CHOICE. you probably did not read the opinion article by Thomas A. Ward the commander of VFW post 1003. i won't state the whole article but he quit smoking in 1988 under his free will. quote "i'm not trying to preserve my right to smoke, i'm trying to preserve my freedom of choice." he was against the ban.

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SMOKEFREE 2 years, 6 months ago

QUIT crying what's done is done! I bet the WHINERS are the ones who either didn't vote for it or didn't vote. PERIOD.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

who's crying? i am just stating what should be obvious. good thing you are not in Vegas.

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geeman 2 years, 6 months ago

I do not generally favor additional governmental controls, but I must admit that I am looking forward to having so many more options for enjoying a smoke-free meal (or drink, etc.) in town.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

most places were already smoke free. SMOKEFREE apparently enjoys taking away choice away from many business owners and private institutions.

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3kids 2 years, 6 months ago

No one is keeping you from smoking...you can go outside to smoke...those restraunts or bars can provide outside areas for smoking its just inside. And they are public places because they have their license to sell to the PUBLIC and to serve the PUBLIC alcohol or food. These are governored by the goverment already. You cant smoke inside walmart, kmart, the mall or any other retail place why because its not allowed. So why is it different and why is a smokers rights more important than a nonsmokers rights? Why is a VET who smokes rights more important that a VET who doesnt smoke? This is silly it passed for no smoking so it can be said like so many say "if you dont like it move!"

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

what was wrong in letting the small business owners to choose then? many chose to have no smoking inside to begin with. bars and restaurants are privately owned, not owned by the community or government despite what people say. they do have to follow rules and ordinances, do you know how many? i'm not saying smokers or non-smokers have more rights or not. what part of CHOICE of the business owner, do people do not understand?? if this is silly why did you post? if you don't like restaurant or business, DON'T GO THERE! simple. yes? i might move, there are more places than Jeff City, believe me, i know.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

what's so hard in letting private business owners choosing?

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

what is so hard about letting business owners choose? it is the loss of choice and rights. and guess what, i don't smoke! most places don't allow smoking to begin with, so why have a ban? there are lots of things you can now ban because of public health, lets ban fast food, restaurants the have high calorie foods. you want a nanny state? you got it, and i'm not getting over it.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

you want public health? then lets support the Obama health plan thats 2000 pages long and no one knows what it does exactly. surely that will help public health. btw, i am being sarcastic on that, i don't support it, but you might, i support your right to support it. 1st amendment you know. lets us vote a law that makes over weight people work out too, that will surely help public health, even more than the smoking ban. i am being sarcastic here too.

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geeman 2 years, 6 months ago

@wcywing ... (the "Reply" link didn't work for me) ... I can name only a very few places in Jeff City that are smoke free right now ... most of the places we would like to go are full of smoke, which is why we often take a drive up to Columbia when we eat out. I do feel al little bad for the local establishments (e.g., Paddy Malone's) whose owners did it the right way and went smoke-free on their own, and we will make it a point to continue to patronize those places after Feb to recognize that they figured it out without a ballot initiative. Heck, as someone else already mentioned, I may even take up bowling again if West Gate is included in the ordinance (the smoke was the reason we quit bowling about 15 yrs ago) ... and maybe get into a dart league at a bar ... think of the possibilities!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

really, i never really notice any smoke unless it was at Mike's corner pocket or Spectator's. then again i probably built a smoke immunity because my Dad smoked, but thats a different story. West Gate is probably under the ordinance. Paddy's owners now has problem because the ordinance is complaint driven. the story is here http://www.newstribune.com/news/2010/...

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rodinman 2 years, 6 months ago

The people had "spoken" to allow casinos. Then a revote was taken and what the people has "spoken" for was then "spoken" against. Perhaps this will face another vote.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

i remember that. strange to see people so fickle, now people go to Boonville to gamble.

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JCLifer 2 years, 6 months ago

Just MAN-UP and QUIT!!!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

people should quit smoking = we don't need a nanny state.

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CommonSense 2 years, 6 months ago

I am sure smokers would be singing a very different tune if someone they love were to get lung cancer and die as a result of the second hand smoke they were so eager to expel on them. Would you still defend your right to breathe toxins into the air if it personally affected you or your family? If you had to watch helplessly as a loved one died from cancer by no fault of their own, your rights as a smoker would seem to pale in comparison to the right to breathe clean air.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

most smokers i know don't smoke in front of the kids or loved ones. i don't want a nanny state. people should have the right to choose. you want clean air? lets ban cars, factories, nuclear factories, etc. but you are right, cancer sux.

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geeman 2 years, 6 months ago

It's worth remembering that the issue was put on the ballot as the result of petition signatures gathered by a group of people, not government (although at least one council person was reportedly involved in gathering signatures) ... and it was voted on by the residents ... of course that put the smokers at a disadvantage because they are in the minority, but when you see measures like this passing in the Carolinas you have to know that it's only a matter of time before it takes over.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

of course that means someone can start another petition, but thats another story. you are probably right, its only a matter of time. of course i rather have the business owners choose. let them have a special permit they have to pay, hey another way to make money for the city. start a smokers haven store. put in ventilation systems. etc.

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asb 2 years, 6 months ago

WC, No! VFW and American Legion customers and staff will now be protected from second hand smoke like customers and staff at all venues that serve the public. As "daddy" said, there really are no private clubs/bars in Missouri . . . you sell liquor, you're public.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

thank you asb, you are the first person to tell me yes or no to that question. of course i rather have the AL or VFW choose to have smoking or not, or some other alternative. but thats another story.

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asb 2 years, 6 months ago

JeffCityGirl, The Eagles have to answer the door and let you in. There's no rule says they can't keep locking it and treating you like dirt if they feel you're not invited, but sold liquor = public business.

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asb 2 years, 6 months ago

Folks, even Iran and China have public health laws. As the evidence for first and second hand toxicity of nicotine and tars mounted, fewer people smoked, so now, when enough don't smoke out of health concerns, a publicly generated and widely approved measure passes; not a Gov'mn't Nanny State Edict from Islamo-socialists. This is one of the most democratic events you could possibly describe, and it's being called an attack on business and American freedom by folks with their teaparty on.

Still, I want to smoke cigars in a warm bar, 'cause I can't smoke at home or I have to sleep in a cold bed . . .

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

well bars use to be the last refuge for people to get away. some people have said democracy is tyranny by the many, i guess jeff city chose to be a nanny state.

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asb 2 years, 6 months ago

Snowbird, brilliant, imprison the scientists when their hypotheses are wrong, wonderful. What a world we'd be in eh? thatch and mud floors, no electricity, no chemistry, no materials engineering, what a wonderful world it'd be. Boy the anabaptists dream of this every day . . . but wait, they'd have no buggies, imagine how many times Gork would've been put in the bad-boys cave for trying his "almost" round wheel to save money. I know, your were just joking . . .

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nozepicker 2 years, 6 months ago

Smokers have 99% of the world to smoke in and that's not enough for them. Blow your smoke in your kid's faces, not mine!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

i never seen someone blow smoke in kid's face, if i saw that happen, i would be tempted to deck the smoker.

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3kids 2 years, 6 months ago

wcywing first off ive seen many smokers blow their smoke in the face of others...they dont see it that away they feel the smoke just drifts that away. If someone is in front of you and you blow the smoke it goes all around you which ends up in the others face. If a smoker has his/her child in the car and windows are up and they are smoking is it effecting the child? If a smoker smokes at his home around his child does it effect the child? The answer is yes...its been shown to cause low birth weights and defects in children...many say I had a perfectly healthy child then say I dont know why little billy has so many ear infections or cant sit still in school...the issue with smoking is it does effect so many...the smoker because its a drug that they cant seem to get off of ...the family because they have the second hand smoke and the stink of it on their clothes and in their homes, friends because if they wish to come over leave smelling like smoke and having to breath it as well, the public has to deal with it when the smoker walks by blowing their smoke either that or the nonsmoker must leave (thus taking away their rights to free air)

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sillyrabbit 2 years, 6 months ago

Next thing you know they won't allow McDonald's to sell all their fattening food.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

they passed that in S.F. then McDonald's just removed the toy! silly yes?

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

"many say I had a perfectly healthy child then say I dont know why little billy has so many ear infections or cant sit still in school" lots of kids have this problem, with or without smoking. with cars, factories, etc, there has not been free air since 1800's. parents should be responsible for kids, are they, thats another topic. pharmacy drugs, illegal drugs can have the same effects. lots of things affect children. fewer people smoke, and i don't see the multitudes of people smoking all over jeff city causing massive pollution, maybe there is, but i don't see it. i see lots of people drive all around the walmart parking lot just to get a space close to the entrance, wasting fuel and causing more pollution, should there be a ban on that? most smokers i see smoke a at bar, or to themselves, away from others, most of the time, i don't see anyone smoking. maybe i am just lucky i do not have the same problems you have seen. bottom line businesses should have the right to choose, now we are getter closer to a big brother, nanny state. i'm sure high sodium, fatty foods are next.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

wcywing, you say that businesses should have the right to choose well you know what the people of Jefferson City had the right to vote and choose if the smoaking ban would pass and guess what..IT DID, now lets just move on and all enjoy the fresh air..and NT I beg you to please do a story 6 months after the smoking ban goes into effect and please tell us which places closed due to the smoking ban only!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

yea, JC chose to be a nanny state. people screamed when casinos were legal, that was voted by the people. then it was reversed. there already was fresh air to begin with, less free though. lets see you run a business then all of sudden they voted to tell you what to do with it, how would you feel?

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JCLifer 2 years, 6 months ago

Will the addicts ever stop whining and get out of denial to face reality? The people have spoken, and democracy has prevailed.

There is nothing good about smoking, and smokers would be much better off spending their energies to quit their filthy disgusting habit instead of whining about not having the right to blow their smoke to force others to breathe it.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

who is whining, i don't smoke. who are you to tell people how to run their business. get over the fact that some people don't like it.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

The state tells business what they can and cannot do all of the time, it is called health codes, this is no different it is a health issue for the public I would have no issue with it sorry. It is not the state forcing businesses to do it it is the criticizes voting on what they want in their town, sorry but that is not a bad thing.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

people have the right to criticize, its the first amendment, that is not a bad thing either.

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

you are right, you have that right and that is cool

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newone 2 years, 6 months ago

sorry that should have been "It is not the state forcing businesses to do it it is the citizens voting on what they want in their town, sorry but that is not a bad thing.

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3kids 2 years, 6 months ago

As a business I would not see this as an issue...means that the majority of the people spoke up and said what they dont like. It also means that my employees will be able to breath easier which in turn should equal less time missed due to issues that arise from health due to being around the smoke. Once again the citizens have spoken on what they want. I commend the restraunts that understood that prior to this ban and what is funny is the people who keep speaking about theres going to be so many businesses go under because of this ban...if that is true why is it that so many business that went smoke free prior to the ban are still open and thriving?

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

let the owners of the business choose then. most restaurants were smoke free to begin with. bars/pool halls, were typically against the ban. Paddy's chose to go smoke free after a customer survey, being a bar/pub that is smoke free. now that all the bars might be smoke free, they might lose their uniqueness and/or customer base. they also have to worry now about ordinance being complaint driven. what would happen if someone make a bogus or false claim against a business?

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paddymalonespub 2 years, 6 months ago

We didn't do a customer survey when we went smoke free. It was nothing that 'scientific'. I just asked some people whose opinions I respected and took their comments under advisement.

Allen Tatman, Paddy Malone's Pub, 700 W. Main paddymalonespub@aol.com 573-761-5900

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3kids 2 years, 6 months ago

Seems you are living off of what ifs...seems the rest of us are living off of what has been voted on. There are many of us that before wouldnt go bowling or to the bars because of the smoke that are willing to go now and I for one cant wait...but if it makes you happier theres a bar in California MO that still allows smoking so see you can just go somewhere else to get that smoke. Do like you told all nonsmokers drive to columbia to enjoy the clean air...well now we dont have to drive but smokers can

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

i think of the ramifications and possible consequences of choices that i make and how it affects me and other people, same with voting on elected officials, petitions, taxes, etc; i hope everyone else that voted did the same thing. for the last time i don't smoke. Paddy's has been non-smoking for a while now. now they have to deal with the complaint driven enforcement now; there was a NT article on this somewhere on this site.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

that is until Jeff City wants to annex your area.

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Daddy 2 years, 6 months ago

Wc the people have chosed to make it their decision not the business owners. The people have spoken end of story!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

not end of story. someone can start a petition to end it, it has happened with the casino issue some years ago. it could be overturned in court, (unlikely but possible.) yes the people want a nanny state in Jeff City. you run a business and see how you like it if some tells you how to run it. you said its end of story several times and apparently its not.

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Gikaar 2 years, 6 months ago

Interesting, the News Tribune won't let me post the list of the 86 bars/restaurants that became non-smoking prior to the passing of the smoking ban.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

i think there is a certain word limit, i think its 200. split up your list.

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online_editor 2 years, 6 months ago

There is a character limit, yes. If you have the URL of the site that lists them, post that. And besides, I think you successfully make your point just by giving the number. You could try giving just a few examples to represent the variety.

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

Gikaar, please list the site. i'm sure most of us are interested to see which businesses are affected. 86, thats a lot.

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Daddy 2 years, 6 months ago

Wc you can start a petition to place it on the ballot, ask the trash folks how thats going. If you want to run a business in JC you "will" abide by what the voters want. As far as the voters are concerned it is the end of the story. We understand you are having a nicotine fit but are free to move your business or any other pro smoke business to Russellville for all we care!

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wcywing 2 years, 6 months ago

Daddy, you don't know me, you never met me, how would you know what i do, you DON'T. i guess you like JC forcing people get a service they do not use or need. did JC make a deal with allied waste? http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=365006 btw, there is a lawsuit on that. voters want a nanny state, fine, i will disagree with their decision, 1st amendment. i don't SMOKE. i'm sure the people have voted for things you don't like such as either obamacare and/or the GOP taking the house. SF banned happy meal toys and is planning circumcision ban. yea look that up. i guess i struck your nerve, get over it. i have spoken. you want to ban that too? you said end of story so many times, i guess you are wrong. you think people will just lay down and do nothing no. courts have struck things as unconstitutional even if voted by the people or legislature. there can be amendments, appeals, etc. its not over, by any means. if you don't like what i write fine, i don't have to like what your write either. its called freedom.

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