So you are saying the entire economy should be by the govt because someone is making a profit? Seriously? Engineers have written " instructions" for construction projects all over the world for centuries! Sounds like you have a chip for MODot and Engineers for some reason and therefor your comments are not very thoughtful. The Route B bridge project is not proof of ANYTHING. Construction and maintenance of a statewide highway system can never be perfect and management of that process require way more thought than you are willing to invest. Having all engineers in one location is a really dumb idea!
@ken: Modot has many engineers because that's the type of employee they need to do its job! How many miles of road could be fixed if they eliminated ALL the engineers that are left? Combining duties of employees can save some money but it is a fallacy that EVERYTHING in govt can be fixed by eliminating Waste Abuse and Fraud. NO it can't. Maybe you can tell me why you think it is a waste of money to have a contractor do that work? are you familiar with the actual work? Is it really something that a modot crew would or should ever be asked to do even before the downsizing?
@jc: the point I was asking you about is the one where @ken made a claim about consolidation as if it was automatically more efficient. It is not necessarily! You made some obscure point about 4 pairs of agencies and their potential consolidation! So I was asking why you thought those should ever be considered? My thought is this. The changes proposed and reported in the article seems to make sense. Instead of discussing that proposed change, a rant begins about the devil that exists at every turn in JCMO, and State Government. It is not that simple. Every organizational structure has its pros and cons. Each one CAN work if the right people with the right skills are in place. As you said, it is Management 101. The problem is that is easy to understand but very hard to implement and takes constant work. State Government is no different than any private sector business in that regard. It sounds good to make a statement that there is so much waste and one of the ways to solve it is just to reorganize. It never works that way! I agree with you that the agencies should be incentivized to find efficiencies by allowing them to keep and spend some of the savings on PS and EE to keep the cycle going!
But weren't you for consolidation of several agencies for the same purpose to save money and efficiency?
***How about combining Natural Resources and Conservation?
Elementary and Secondary Education with Higher Education?Capitol Police with Highway Patrol?*
Strong Probably several other agencies that should be combined for savings and efficiency.****
Explain the difference? Generally I believe making a larger organization out of two doesn't necessarily lead to efficiencies. its not about government or not but simply a management and control issue.
Ken: can you produce some evidence that this was EVER contemplated or promised to the voters at the time of the middle school proposal? As mom said this is the silliest assertion i have heard in this debate!
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centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
So you are saying the entire economy should be by the govt because someone is making a profit? Seriously? Engineers have written " instructions" for construction projects all over the world for centuries! Sounds like you have a chip for MODot and Engineers for some reason and therefor your comments are not very thoughtful. The Route B bridge project is not proof of ANYTHING. Construction and maintenance of a statewide highway system can never be perfect and management of that process require way more thought than you are willing to invest. Having all engineers in one location is a really dumb idea!
centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
@ken: Modot has many engineers because that's the type of employee they need to do its job! How many miles of road could be fixed if they eliminated ALL the engineers that are left? Combining duties of employees can save some money but it is a fallacy that EVERYTHING in govt can be fixed by eliminating Waste Abuse and Fraud. NO it can't. Maybe you can tell me why you think it is a waste of money to have a contractor do that work? are you familiar with the actual work? Is it really something that a modot crew would or should ever be asked to do even before the downsizing?
centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
@jc: the point I was asking you about is the one where @ken made a claim about consolidation as if it was automatically more efficient. It is not necessarily! You made some obscure point about 4 pairs of agencies and their potential consolidation! So I was asking why you thought those should ever be considered? My thought is this. The changes proposed and reported in the article seems to make sense. Instead of discussing that proposed change, a rant begins about the devil that exists at every turn in JCMO, and State Government. It is not that simple. Every organizational structure has its pros and cons. Each one CAN work if the right people with the right skills are in place. As you said, it is Management 101. The problem is that is easy to understand but very hard to implement and takes constant work. State Government is no different than any private sector business in that regard. It sounds good to make a statement that there is so much waste and one of the ways to solve it is just to reorganize. It never works that way! I agree with you that the agencies should be incentivized to find efficiencies by allowing them to keep and spend some of the savings on PS and EE to keep the cycle going!
centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
So for example you suggest merging DESE and DHE? would there be direct savings in eliminating duplication of effort? Any examples?
centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
But weren't you for consolidation of several agencies for the same purpose to save money and efficiency?
***How about combining Natural Resources and Conservation? Elementary and Secondary Education with Higher Education? Capitol Police with Highway Patrol?* Strong Probably several other agencies that should be combined for savings and efficiency.****
Explain the difference? Generally I believe making a larger organization out of two doesn't necessarily lead to efficiencies. its not about government or not but simply a management and control issue.
centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
it sounded like you had first hand knowledge in your earlier post but now its 2nd or 3rd hand? they tell you stories all the time? interesting!
centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Lifer: sounds like you have some experience with this?
centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
then why would you want them "pooled"???? the only reason to Pool them would be to save money?
centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Mo. moving forward with department reorganization
Ken: Do you have any information about the savings that was recognized with the pooling of Computers in OA?
centerguy56 1 month, 1 week ago on Voters defeat both Jefferson City school issues
Voters defeat both Jefferson City school issues
Ken: can you produce some evidence that this was EVER contemplated or promised to the voters at the time of the middle school proposal? As mom said this is the silliest assertion i have heard in this debate!