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Forest 2 years, 2 months ago on Transform Jeff City sales tax defeated

And what is the $100k for Millbottom directional signage? Go up the hill one way you get to the capitol. The huge domed building makes that direction obvious. Go the opposite direction you go past the SOS office and to Paddy's and the bridge. That's fairly obvious with the current signage. Go south you find Hwy 50 and MO Blvd.... the concentration of stop lights and traffic makes that obvious. The only other directional option is the train tracks and the river. Is $100K really necessary to highlight the obvious? Do we really want to be a tourist center for people who find themselves in the millbottom and too stupid to figure out where the capitol and downtown is located?

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Forest 2 years, 2 months ago on Transform Jeff City sales tax defeated

Yep. As malmo noted below this "transformation" seemed to benefit a small portion of town. Just yesterday I was trying to walk somewhere as my car was in the shop. Guess where I walked? In the road -- there was no sidewalk. But guess where there is a sidewalk: On Christy by the rock quarries south of Riley Chevrolet leading down to 179. Seriously? This town doesn't have (decent) pedestrian options where people actually live and work but a) there's a sidewalk by the quarry that goes nowhere and b) downtown is the only district worthy of 'transformation'??

Plus the "budgeting" for the projects was very suspect. $150k for an old town trolley?? Google failed trolley boondoogles in other towns let alone a town where you can walk from one end of "old town" to the other in 5 minutes w/o breaking a sweat.

$200k to relocate the Union Pacific Rail Yard? You telling me we can move the rail yard for only 33% more than it takes to buy a used bus and paint it to look a trolley? Or for a fraction of the $1.3 million to landscape Capitol Avenue? What's on Capitol Ave that draws a lot of traffic? Yes a lot of historic homes, but what's gonna make them an "attraction"? Seems $1.3 million to beautify Capitol Avenue was merely to 'payback' supporters of this 'transformation' that own the Capitol Ave property (marketing firms like Comminique, lobbyists, lawyers, etc.)

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Forest 2 years, 2 months ago on Ownership of MSP, old St. Mary’s site at issue under Transformation

Yep. I have a doctorate level education. I travel 75% of the time... not because I want to travel but I wanted to be based in Jeff City -- I personally don't want to live in Chicago, Boston, NY anymore. I took a 40% pay hit to do so. Now that the travel is wearing on me, I would like to find a full-time job here in Jeff City. I'm willing to take another $20-25K hit to do so --- but my education and work experience 'disqualifies' me for the jobs in this town b/c no employer thinks I'm serious about staying when they see what I've already accomplished. They don't believe I value the lifestyle more than the money....

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Forest 2 years, 2 months ago on Ownership of MSP, old St. Mary’s site at issue under Transformation

Forgive me for not wanting to blindly pay taxes more to a government that has proven time and time again not to be good stewards or able to complete projects as promised. Especially when the details of this current proposal are sketchy. If you like to pay more taxes and get nothing in return then your budget is obviously not as tight as mine.

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Forest 2 years, 2 months ago on Ownership of MSP, old St. Mary’s site at issue under Transformation

PS - and my acclaim for the Pen Tours is not blind approval to this "transformation plan." While I want to see parts of this historic site preserved and continue to be an economic plus for our town, I believe the way in which the Convention Bureau is managing this "project" will not succeed.

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Forest 2 years, 2 months ago on Ownership of MSP, old St. Mary’s site at issue under Transformation

Slow down JCLifer. You're talking too "big" for the minds of Jeff City. :)

It amazes me how myopic the views of life and economics are in this town. You are absolutely correct. This town is missing the "basics" but wants to build the "extras." In the past 18 months since I've come back I don't know how many times I found myself going out to get some food, but came back hungry to eat a PBJ b/c there is no decent carry-out in this town. I will give props to the greenway; that is a nice feature in a not-so-pedestrian friendly town.

It's frustrating to see JC try to be something it can never be. JC will never offer the ambiance of a St. Louis neighborhood like The Hill or Dogtown; JC never will be a major tourist destination. But JC can be be a great family-oriented town with nice attractions --- like the State Pen (interestingly, the Convention Bureau thought the tour idea was stupid until the person who had the idea convinced them to try it. Had he not been so adamant to try it a couple years ago JC would not have this attraction b/c the Convention Bureau is not able to think creatively).

And don't even get me started on round-a-bouts that are WAY TOO SMALL to be efficient; mandatory trash service (I travel 75% of the time, I don't need a $200 annual trash service for a maybe 6 bags of trash I produce each year); I live in part of the town that was annexed in the past 10 years --- do I have sewer? No. Do I enjoy the benefits of regular police patrols? No. I benefit from COUNTY SERVICES but yet pay City Taxes.

And interesting you mentioned the Lake... Just last week I stopped there and dropped $500 on much needed clothing..... items that aren't even available in this town of 50,0000..... ooops, 43,079. That annexation worked so well... Do you see all those Fortune 500 companies fighting to buy land to build factories here b/c we have a population of 50K?

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Forest 2 years, 2 months ago on Ownership of MSP, old St. Mary’s site at issue under Transformation

Doesn't matter if you live in JC or not. If you shop here you pay the sales tax rate. If you live in between JC or Columbia, you would have the choice between the higher tax rates and limited selection of JC and the lower tax rate and greater selection of Columbia. If the choice is between a job of equal salary in JC or Columbia, I'm going to pick Columbia. Lower taxes, more shopping, restaurants, entertainment, etc. Jefferson City needs to learn it is competing with Mid-Mo localities and stop trying to be a national destination.

If the "leaders" of Jefferson City can prove to me they could actually execute ANY plan or idea they've had since 1994 I might have a different, more optimistic view about giving them more money.

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Forest 2 years, 2 months ago on Ownership of MSP, old St. Mary’s site at issue under Transformation

If the Sheeple of Jefferson City pass this tax, I am out of here. In the 1990s the big discussion was where to build a Convention Center. I lived elsewhere from 2000-2010. I was shocked that when I moved backed the big discussion was still where to build a Convention center.

Circa 2003 I followed the annexation issue here (I always intended to return to JC, and stay informed about this town). Jeff City residents were promised that if the "City" population sign said 50000+ Fortune 500 companies would locate here (as if Fortune 500 companies are too stupid to look at the area population). The annex happened. The population sign now, 8-9 years later, gives a population of only 43,xxx!! The city leaders weren't even smart enough to properly count the number of citizens that would be annexed.

If I'm going to be paying upwards of 9% (yes sales tax will become 9.275% in the special areas like the east Wal-mart, 8.275% elsewhere), then I'm going to go to a city where I actually get something for that kind of rate.... try to start a business in this town. You will find the city leaders really don't want innovation or new blood coming in and creating jobs.

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