Negotiators talking to Alabama captor through pipe

Law officers work at the hostage scene in Midland City, Ala., on Thursday. A gunman holed up in a bunker with a young hostage has kept law officers at bay since the standoff began when he killed a school bus driver and dragged the boy away, authorities said.

Law officers work at the hostage scene in Midland City, Ala., on Thursday. A gunman holed up in a bunker with a young hostage has kept law officers at bay since the standoff began when he killed a school bus driver and dragged the boy away, authorities said. Photo by The Associated Press.

MIDLAND CITY, Ala. (AP) — Speaking into a 4-inch-wide ventilation pipe, hostage negotiators tried Thursday to talk a man into releasing a kindergartener and ending a standoff in an underground bunker that stretched into its third day.

The man identified by multiple neighbors and witnesses as 65-year-old retired truck driver Jimmy Lee Dykes was accused of pulling the boy from a school bus on Tuesday and killing the driver. The pair was holed up in a small room on his property that authorities compared with tornado shelters common in the area.

James Arrington, police chief of the neighboring town of Pinckard, said the shelter was about 4 feet underground, with about 6-by-8 feet of floor space and a PVC pipe that negotiators were speaking through.

There were signs that the standoff could continue for some time: A state legislator said the shelter has electricity, food and TV. The police chief said the captor has been sleeping and told negotiators that he has spent long periods in the shelter before.

“He will have to give up sooner or later because (authorities) are not leaving,” Arrington said. “It’s pretty small, but he’s been known to stay in there eight days.”

Midland City Mayor Virgil Skipper said he has been briefed by law enforcement and visited with the boy’s parents.

“He’s crying for his parents,” he said. “They are holding up good. They are praying and asking all of us to pray with them.”

Republican Rep. Steve Clouse, who represents the Midland City area, said he visited the boy’s mother Thursday and that she is “hanging on by a thread.”

“Everybody is praying with her for the boy,” he said.

Clouse said the mother told him that the boy has Asperger’s syndrome, an autism-like disorder, as well as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD. Police have been delivering medication to him through the pipe, he said.

The normally quiet red clay road was teeming Thursday with more than a dozen police cars and trucks, a fire truck, a helicopter, officers from multiple agencies, media and at least one ambulance near Midland City, population 2,300.

Dykes was known around the neighborhood as a menacing figure who neighbors said once beat a dog to death with a lead pipe, threatened to shoot children for setting foot on his property and patrolled his yard at night with a flashlight and a firearm.

The chief confirmed that Dykes held anti-government views, as described by multiple neighbors: “He’s against the government — starting with Obama on down.”

“He doesn’t like law enforcement or the government telling him what to do,” he said. “He’s just a loner.”

Authorities say the gunman boarded a stopped school bus Tuesday afternoon and demanded two boys between 6 and 8 years old. When the driver tried to block his way, the gunman shot him several times and took a 5-year-old boy off the bus.

The bus driver, Charles Albert Poland Jr., 66, was hailed by locals as a hero who gave his life to protect the 21 students aboard the bus.

No motive has been discussed by investigators, but the police chief said the FBI had evidence suggesting it could be considered a hate crime. Federal authorities have not released any details about the standoff or the investigation. The mayor said he hasn’t seen anything tying together Dykes’ anti-government views and the allegations against him.

Dykes had been scheduled to appear in court Wednesday to answer charges he shot at his neighbors in a dispute last month over a speed bump. Neighbor Claudia Davis said he yelled and fired shots at her, her son and her baby grandson over damage Dykes claimed their pickup truck did to a makeshift speed bump in the dirt road. No one was hurt.

The son, James Davis Jr., believes Tuesday’s shooting was connected to the court date. “I believe he thought I was going to be in court and he was going to get more charges than the menacing, which he deserved, and he had a bunch of stuff to hide and that’s why he did it.”

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

The original version of this story, before AP updated it this afternoon, had the perp patrolling his property with a Shotgun and Flashlight and I believe said he shot the buss driver with a shotgun as well. Yet this evening it has become a firearm.

Bet it becomes a so called "Assault rifle" by morning.

Just like the Newtown stories and when the facts are changed yet again back to the truth a few weeks later it will not be broadcast by the leftist media shills.

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asb 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Should this obviously insane person have ANY type of firearm?

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eileen10 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Why was this guy walking free after the behavior he's exhibited previousley I wonder.

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Paroquet 3 months, 2 weeks ago

There's no published full story on either the dog incident (it could have been menacing him, for example, and when was the last time anyone here has seen a pipe made of lead?) or the neighbors complaint of menacing. And he would've been perfectly within his rights to be irate about the unapproved speed-bump.

What you can infer from consistent reports is that he appeared to be an antisocial loner who didn't care for any government intrusion in his life. That doesn't automatically make him a psychopath. Paranoid or sociopathic maybe (I'm not qualified to diagnose), but I don't see enough info to categorize him as a wacko prior to the incident at present. Another thing you can infer is that he doesn't appear to have been liked by his neighbors or the community in general. None of these seem to demonstrate an ironclad propensity for the bus incident prior to it happening.

Not disputing your opinion, just offering perspective upon what has been reported. The facts of the incident are fine. The rest is what amounts to hearsay.

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Jimmie Lee is one of those guys who "needs killing," as the saying goes. The best thing some people can do to this earth is leave it.

This story is also a reminder of the consequences of combat experience, and a reminder that words have power. Business interests use extreme anti-government rhetoric to rouse people to vote against their economic interests (and, in the case of assault weapons legislation, against their own health interest), but the fact is, many people take that politically manufactured language at face value. This man is paranonid, mentally ill, and no doubt the fake outrage of the conservative "movement" conspiracy fairy tales resonated with him.

The idea that the 2nd Amendment protects the right to own any and all weapons for the purpose of defending oneself against the government is silly, incorrect, and, in the wrong mind, dangerous. This incident should be a lesson that armed citizen rebellion will not look like the Minutemen in 1776. It will look like the senseless neighbor-on-neighbor violence of Bleeding Kansas... a history with which all good Missourians (since we were kinda the bad guys in that story) should be familiar. The NRA peddles self-serving outrage because it helps them sell guns (and they're selling a TON right now), but this political strategy has real-life consequences.

Guns kill. So do ideas. Manufacturers should be held to account.

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xhepera 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Sequoia, re your comment about Minutemen v Bleeding Kansas. . .I just last evening read an interesting article in The Atlantic that talks about that very thing and uses the comparison of those events to illustrate the point. It can be found at their site with the title "Why the Citizen Militia Theory is the Worst Pro Gun Argument Ever."

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

I read the same article. The Atlantic is a national treasure.

theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/why-the-citizen-militia-theory-is-the-worst-pro-gun-argument-ever/272734/

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John 3 months, 2 weeks ago

It is interesting that you and some of those who reply to your comment so patently ignore the writings of the framers of the constitution and the 2nd amendment. You know . . . those guys like Jefferson, Adams, etc. Those who specifically wrote that the 2nd amendment really was intended to to allow citizens to own and posses firearms in order to respond to a gov't gone awry.

It is interesting because you cling to only the parts of the constitution with which you agree.

What can we learn from this kind of argument? We learn that the founding document of this country and the writers of the document were not quite as smart or far-seeing as you. Therefore, you and a few others should be allowed to rewrite it as you see fit.

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TickledPink 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Be a Dear, John and look for my comment to Connor about my thoughts on a WELL REGULATED militia. Did you read the Atlantic article? Do you honestly think your AR-15 is going to stand up to gov't grade military weaponry? All you militia, survivalist types together couldn't put a dent in what the Army/Navy/Air Force/Marines can throw at you. A government gone awry will squash you like a bug. That argument is delusional at best and incredibly self serving.

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

We should send the TicledPinks of the world to Afghanistan so they can explain the fact that a militia force cannot stand up to a modern day military. I am sure they will be amused.

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asb 3 months, 2 weeks ago

The Afghan militia is a decades-in-training, well funded by our oil, army of God. The Afghans have been fighting modern armies for centuries, and each other for that matter. A true backwoods militia is helpless against the military of any modern nation. A well regulated militia, supported by federal supplies and rules on the other hand . . . I repeat; should this insane person have ANY firearm, for any purpose? But how do we know he's insane . . . before he shot and nabbed anyway. Only the insane or incompetent should be disarmed . . . if you think you're being targeted for disarmament by the administration, are you insane or incompetent . . . or just misinformed by FOX? Tough call. What would your ex say if asked by a gov'ment psych nanny?

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John 3 months, 2 weeks ago

TPINK: While I understand your reasoning, I do not agree with it. I ask you, have you read any of the apologies of Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, etc. concerning their reasoning for the amendment?

Thank God that the Tories did not view their situation against the greatest army and navy in the world (in their time). We whipped them. Also, you might consider Posse Comitatus . . . The military is specifically excluded from being used as a military or police force against citizens on American soil. This exclusion remains even in the NDAA.

Yes, a force of 100 million or so protesters CAN be successful against our gov't if our gov't continues to oppress our fellow citizens.

By the way, I do not have an AR-15. I much prefer my M 14, much more powerful, much more reliable, and easier to use than the AR 15. It is an excellent deer rifle.

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Nothing is sweeter to shoot than an M14 even the Chinadoll versions are top notch.

And the Liberal/Feminist gun grabbers are hoping they can ignore Posse Comitatus as well. What they don't seem to know is that the Military is more Conservative as a whole than the gun owners they keep bad mouthing. Even if they ignore Posse Comitatus I don't think most of the Military will follow a non-Constitutional order as most of them are the son's of the crazy ol' White Militia dudes they are criticizing.

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asb 3 months, 2 weeks ago

We'll never know, Americans will not elect a CIC who would make such a dufus mistake. 100 million protestors, against FOX's imaginary conspiracy? Right. Remind me again which side the Tories were on? Posse Comitatus seems to be arbitrarily applied . . . I recal National Guardsmen patroling Kansas City's Plaza in the spring of 1968, and yes I know they're not entirely the federal army, but they are the military by any reasonable definition.

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John 3 months, 2 weeks ago

The "National Guard"" is NOT a federal military force unless they are federalized for a specific purpose, they then, and ONLY then, become part of the U.S. military. At all other times they are under their commander-in-chief (the governor of whichever state to wihich they are attached.

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Not unless they are called into Federal service. I would say the more questionable violation of PosCom was the Katrina episode but I believe that has been addressed to the point it won't happen again.

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

John, can you please post any writings by Adams, Jefferson, or Franklin in which any of those men specifically explain the meaning of the 2nd Amendment? It's not really fair to accuse people of "ignoring" them without giving us a chance to see what you mean.

Honestly: I will be happy to read any of their works that you post here.

I find the 2nd Amendment to be very confusing. As best I can tell it protects the right of people to have weapons in the context of a "well-regulated militia," although I'm not even sure what THAT is.

I love all those old guys, though, so again, seriously, I'm glad to read anything you post by them. You might even persuade me!

In the end, though, the writings of dead guys will only get you so far. We have to decide for ourselves what it means. The Supreme Court currently says it means that everyone has the right to a gun for persona protection, so that's what the 2nd Amendment means to us now.

So, anyway, John: post me some cites, please.

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John 3 months, 2 weeks ago

The biographies of each of those men speak of the reasons for what they wrote and contain many quotations referring to (paraphrased here) how a democracy will die if they allow themselves to be disarms by the gov.t.

If you really do love those guys, then read the biographies that are available nearly anywhere.

While the court has much power and may define a skewed meaning with their opinions. There WILL come a time when the opression of citizens of this country arise against it. And, yes, it works. Consider the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and the American revolution against the British (the most powerful military in the world at that time).

There is an old saying something like: "They cannot use you for a rug unless you lay down and let them walk on you."

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Paroquet 3 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm not speaking for John, Sequoia. But I do have something as current as 2008 for you to read: District of Columbia v. Heller 544 USC 570 (2008)

To sum up; The Supreme Court, the highest law in the land held that it is the right of an individual to keep and bear arms. The decision includes reference to many historical precedents. Pretty sure that should cover your inquiry. Peruse at your leisure. You're arguing on the wrong side and with the wrong parties. Feel free to challenge the decision as you may.

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Thanks, Paroquet. I admit I haven't read Heller for a while, but I don't think Heller quotes Adams, Jefferson or Franklin on the 2nd Amendment, though. I've been told I keep ignoring what Adams, Jefferson and Franklin said about the 2nd Amendment. I do not want to ignore them. Someone please help me out here.

Actually, Heller teases us with this: "see also, e.g., Shippen, Boston Gazette, Jan. 30, 1769, in 1 The Writings of Samuel Adams 299 (H. Cushing ed. 1968)."

Anyone got that book?

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Paroquet 3 months, 2 weeks ago

No prob. I am just tired of all the back-n-forth when the SCOTUS has settled the matter as a subject of intelligent debate or civilized discourse in any place outside a court of law. It takes up entirely too much bandwidth besides.

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Heller is certainly the latest word, but it definitely does not say that the 2nd Amendment means individual Americans have the right to weapons for the purpose of protecting themselves against the government, or for the purpose of revolting/overthrowing the government.

It says we have the right to keep a handgun in our home for self-defense. You can imagine whatever threats to your self you like, but there is no historical evidence that any of the drafters of the constitution imagined they were protecting the right of the people to forcibly overthrow or fight off the government. The framers designed the whole Constitution so that would not be necessary.

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

This discussion is also about the value of a doctrine of Constitutional interpretation known as "originalism." It's the idea that a judge today can know what was in the mind of some guy who helped draft the constitution, or what some guy thought about the constitution when it was drafted, and use that to "decide" what the Consitution means for us today.

Judicial "originalism" is just judicial activism. It's a scam.

Unlike others on here, I'm pretty transparent about where my ideas come from:

theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/02/what-did-the-word-the-mean-in-1755-and-why-does-the-court-care/272773/

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

In Liberal speak that means "so we can violate the Constitution or change it anyway we wish without regard for the rule of law or precedence".

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Post em if ya want John. I have explained it to these Leftist and even told them what works to look in and mentioned cases like US v. Miller etc. and it does no good.

The ones who really want to know will look the others are simply trying to find a gotcha remark.

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John 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Yep.

While my library is quite extensive, there are many works (especially biographies) that I borrowed from the library. It is getting more and more expensive to buy written works.

I do not read them to educate others. I read them to educate myself and I do not generally write down quotes or citations for debates.

If they want to know (as you wrote) they will research. Otherwise they simply want to argue.

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

So, you're not going to actually post any specific cite or quote. It can be a cite from a book, too. It doesn't have to be an internet cite.

But this kinda gets back to what I keep saying about the conservative movement. I seriously doubt you have actually read any words by Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, etc. where they explain what they thought the 2nd Amendment means. You just heard some talk show host say "Those liberals always igonre what the founding fathers said, blah blah blah," then you get on here and repeat it.

But nowhere do you provide any evidence that YOU know what any of those men said.

Prove me wrong, please. I'm not in a hurry. I'm sure all those books you read are still at the library. Title, author and page number will do.

Jefferson, Adams or Franklin may very well have written about the Second Amendment, but my contention is that you, John, have never read a word of it.

My contention, my suspicion, is that you HEARD someone say it, and you repeat it. That's how the conservative movement works. Isn't it?

Come on... I think I'm so smart. I'm so smug and elitist. Wouldn't it feel so good to prove me wrong right here in front of everyone?

Adams, Jefferson or Franklin on the 2nd Amendment. Neither of us wants me to ignore it, so, again, cite please.

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

If you don't get it while the comments are still active to this story, you can post it anytime by replying to any of my future comments. I will gladly eat whatever crow you can feed me.

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John 3 months, 2 weeks ago

My suggestion to you is this: If you really "love these old guys" ---- READ READ the many biographies concerning them. I personally do not give a rats tail if you believe i have read any of them. If you truly want to know, YOU WILL READ, if you do not read, you are merely trying to ARGUE. Please, grow up.

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

So, you're not going to cite anything, then.

If you didn't care what I thought, then why get on here and chastize me for "ignoring" all these writings where Adams, Franklin and Jefferson explain the 2nd Amendment? Why can't you give me one example of all this stuff I'm supposedly ignoring?

You see, I have read my share, and that's why I'm suspicious about your claims about all this writing that Adams, Franklin and Jefferson did about the meaing of the 2nd Amendment. I mean, read Heller... if there were a bunch of writings by Adams, Franklin and Jefferson elucidating the 2nd Amendment, DON'T YOU THINK SCALIA WOULD HAVE INCLUDED THEM? Was he ignoring them too????

Come on dude. All those books you got from the library. Puh-lease.

You just repeat the talk shows dude, and it is plain as day. Face it.

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

See what I mean John. Of course you already knew this was a tactic they like to use.

Now ask them to explain where any founder ever mentioned the Constitution was a living document.

I below show a clear example of how Franklin perceived the second amendment and expressed his feelings on the concept before he even helped write it but it means nothing. Plainly stated the founders never had to directly address the second or any other amendment because they were blessed with being free of Liberal/Feminist and their third world imported voting army.

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RobHunterJohnson 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Read about Syria, or Libya ! Those two dictators threw all their might at those terrorist's Rob

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asb 3 months, 2 weeks ago

And the fight continues, "revolutionaries" funded and trained by outsiders, and supported by majorities of the populations. Neither were democracies with elected administrations. No comparisons apply.

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RobHunterJohnson 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Started off with shotguns, bolts, and those semi auto rifles! Momar Died, and Assad cannot whip them! rob

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TickledPink 3 months, 2 weeks ago

From what I read, Mr. Dykes put up the speed bump and was angry when the neighbor messed it up so he shot at them.

I have lead pipes in my house. It's fairly common in older homes and if he'd been doing any renovations or alterations to his house that's probably where it came from.

I realize he was supposed to appear in court Wednesday so I assume he was out on bail? I'm sure he knew he was probably going to serve some time and he figured if he was going to go down, he was going to go down big. OR he sat and stewed about that upcoming court date, fuming about the evil gov't and how they were making his life hell and just snapped. As of right now we don't know and if this ends up the way most stand offs do, we may never know. I just hope that child comes out of this ok.

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Littleinvestor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Are you sure they are lead and not cast iron or galvanized steel? Lots of people refer to any grey pipe as lead.

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TickledPink 3 months, 2 weeks ago

They're definitely not galvanized steel and my house was built in 1970 so they could be cast iron. And it very well could have been a cast iron pipe he used to beat the dog. You're absolutely right, any long grey metal tube can be called a lead pipe.

We're getting away from the point though - this dude is messed up in the head. (I can't say scr_wed??) I'm sure if he comes out of this alive they're going to diagnose him as a paranoid schizophrenic. Many (not all, don't yell at me!) of these anti-government, survivalist types have some sort of personality disorder, whether it's schizophrenia, bipolar or PTSD. These are very real disorders that affect a larger percentage of the population than many realize. This man needed help a long time ago and now it's too late. I may be a liberal, but I'm hoping for a bullet to the head for this guy. Kinda like a dog with rabies, it will put him out of his misery.

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eileen10 3 months, 2 weeks ago

So true Paroquet. I just hope he releases the boy unharmed. Children with his type of problems can wear on a persons nerves and we don't know if he's giving the child his medicine. Hoping for the best at this point. I can only imagine what the parents are going through.

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eileen10 3 months, 2 weeks ago

holy smokes. My reply is way down here from where I thought it would be. It's a reply to the reply of yours that you replied to of mine at the top.Oh boy. I hope you followed all the reply stuff but I'm pretty sure you did.

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Littleinvestor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Heck, we have a neighbor that patrols around his house at night, with a gun, with a flashlight and with a big dog. That may be why we have not had any burglaries in our immediate area. Glad he's out there, and he would never hurt any dog.

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

just to mention one reference I picked up off of my computer table as I just finished reading it a couple weeks ago.

"The First American - The Life and Times of Benjamin Franklin" by H.W. Brands, First published in 2000. Brands is a professor at Texas AM.

Page 285 mentions the context of the quote from the letter which was reprinted in not only Penn. but London as well. Here is a direct quote from the book which is a quote about the letter.

The editors cited popular demand and asserted that the journal stood ready to defend the people. "by exposing the artifices of those who would,in a remote land, overthrow the native rights and liberties of Englishmen".

Not even what I would call a good and lengthy work on Franklin but it was handy.

I wasted enough time and had to find my glasses to read the publication information. Once again I allowed myself to be distracted by a lefty attempt to waste Conservative time as they will not care what you write, quote or present.

Not a direct second amendment quote as the second amendment wasn't around then but a good view into Franklin's ideas on arming citizens.

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Oh and certainly carried more weight than the present day Cleftwing reporters who pick and choose what to write so their followers can claim Conservatives don't read.

As a whole these liberal gun grabbers lament the fact they cannot fall back to the Founders for guidance so they simply scream "living Document" or attempt to claim the quotes we Conservatives use are invalid. Had they really studied the Founders they would know different, and they do, so they attempt to confuse the issue with making Conservatives re-visit the research they have already done.

Luckily some of us have done it enough times we are prepared for it.

Get some new tactics homie.

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

And on the private ownership of arms not by a founder but direct from US v. Miller

The Court also looked to historical sources to explain the meaning of "militia" as set down by the authors of the Constitution:

The significance attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the

Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.

Hmmm so I guess we really should remove the restrictions on fully automatic rifles as well. That is if you pay attention to the law, which we know the Liberal posters here do not.

So as usual they will just ignore that little piece of history.

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Sequoia 3 months, 2 weeks ago

So, yeah, when it says "ordinarly when called for service," who do you think it is that is "calling these men to service"? Yosemite Sam?

This seems to say that the idea is for the militias to exist as a local branch of the government military, to be called into action when needed.

Sounds like the National Guard to me.

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

The National Guard is not ALL Men. And they do not have weapons supplied by themselves. Only Congress can call up the militia.

I have explained this all (just like I mentioned) here before.

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connor 3 months, 2 weeks ago

actually I am wrong there. ONly Congress can call up the Militia and place it under Federal service. Technically speaking a Sheriff or Governor can call up the Militia as well I believe but it will not be under Federal service.

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