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Today's Poll!Mo. House bill makes proposing gun control illegal
Wednesday, February 20, 2013
A Missouri lawmaker is proposing to send colleagues to prison for introducing gun control legislation — a plan that even its sponsor acknowledges has no chance of passage but nonetheless highlights the increasingly strident tone of gun measures in Missouri’s generally pro-gun Legislature.
Rep. Mike Leara said Tuesday that he considers his bill a statement of principle. It would make lawmakers guilty of a felony punishable by up to four years in prison if they introduce legislation restricting gun rights.
“I have no illusions about the bill making it through the legislative process, but I want it to be clear that the Missouri House will stand in defense of the people’s constitutional right to keep and bear arms,” Leara, a Republican from suburban St. Louis, said in a written statement. He declined further comment.
Since last year’s deadly mass shootings in Colorado and Connecticut, state and federal lawmakers have grappled with gun legislation. President Barack Obama has proposed an assault weapons ban, background checks and restrictions on high-capacity ammunition magazines. But Missouri’s Republican-led Legislature has taken a different approach — more guns, not fewer.
State Rep. Stacey Newman, D-St. Louis, called Leara’s measure “unconstitutional” and said she would go directly to prison if the bill passes. Newman is the sponsor of a measure that would require guns to be sold by a licensed dealer and force that dealer to conduct a background check.
Even one of Leara’s fellow Republicans said he probably wouldn’t support the bill.
“Everybody should have a right to introduce bills, even bad ones,” said state Rep. Kevin Engler, of Farmington, a former state senator who has sponsored National Rifle Association-supported legislation in previous years.
Leara’s measure comes less than a week after St. Louis-area House Democrats introduced legislation containing an assault weapons ban. That bill would require owners of semi-automatic weapons to surrender, destroy or send their guns to another state within 90 days of the measure’s passage. Sponsoring state Rep. Rory Ellinger said he knows Missouri is a very conservative state, but he still wants a dialogue on gun safety.
Given the two-thirds Republican majority in the Legislature, the assault weapons ban probably won’t even get a committee hearing. But that hasn’t stopped Republicans from attacking the bill with fervor. Rep. Eric Burlison, R-Springfield, posted a YouTube video of a physical copy of the bill being shot with a handgun.
One lawmaker has questioned the wisdom of proposing legislation to the ideological extreme of both political parties.
“(Leara’s bill) has as much chance of passing as (the assault weapons ban). Highlights the problem with proposing bills to get attention,” tweeted Sen. Ryan Silvey, R-Kansas City.
While Leara’s and Ellinger’s bill are likely dead on arrival, a state House committee moved forward Tuesday on two proposals that would curb federal gun regulation. One proposal is sponsored by Rep. Casey Guernsey, R-Bethany, who said he has decided “to take swift and strong actions to counteract the federal government.” Guernsey wants to criminalize the enforcement of any federal gun control laws enacted after Jan. 1, 2013.
The second measure would prevent federal regulation of guns that are manufactured in Missouri and remain inside the state’s borders. The committee did not vote on either bill.
Even measures to address gun violence in schools have drawn out the ideological divides in the Legislature.
On Tuesday, Missouri’s Senate gave first-round approval to a proposal that would give school districts the option to teach the National Rifle Association’s gun-safety program to elementary school students and to allow teachers and other school personnel go through training on how to respond to armed intruders. The bill sponsored by Sen. Dan Brown, R-Rolla, originally mandated schools implement both programs, but opposition from Democratic senators caused him to make the programs optional.
Brown’s original bill was opposed by Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal, D-St. Louis, who said it would do little to address the problem of gun violence by urban gang members whose parents don’t supervise them. She said trying to train teachers to respond to “gang bangers” is a “pretty dangerous thing,” adding that “a lot of our teachers are kind of petite.”
A Senate committee on Wednesday also considered a state constitutional amendment to broaden the right-to bear-arms by specifying that it is “inalienable.” The measure sponsored by Sen. Kurt Schaefer, R-Columbia, would also require the state to oppose any “infringement” on that right.
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F35 2 months, 3 weeks ago
If you dont like "gang shootings", move out of the city. You dont restrict the rights of tax paying, law abiding citizens because a few knuckleheads in the inner city, shoot each other up as part of their "thug lifestyle". I support Rep Leara's measure all the way. The rest of the Constitution bashers in the legislature should be tried for treason against the Constitution.
RobHunterJohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Ditto
3633 2 months, 3 weeks ago
This is not about taking away guns, it's about trying to help prevent as much of the deaths created by those committing these crimes. Yes there are lots of shootings in the inner city but also in lots of other ares too. Whoever wants a gun can purchase one as usual, it does not impose on the rights of the second amendment.
3633 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Lets talk about getting jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3633 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Also can you eat a gun or put it in your gas tank or buy grocercies with it, So let's talk about ways to earn a deceit living and getting ahead instead of getting guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kentheco 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Actually it does. The News Tribune did an article on a young lady who is involved in competitive shooting. The rifle shown in the article would be outlawed as it is based on the AR-15 and has the capability to hold a magazine with over twenty rounds and if I remember correctly, a pistol grip. The problem I have appears to have been caused by the press sensationalizing the killings and making serious misstatements, confusing legal semi-automatic firearms with fully automatic firearms and instead of stating the exact weapon used, using the term "assault".
JCLifer 2 months, 3 weeks ago
My old Marlin squirrel .22 rifle has a tubular magazine that holds 20- .22 shells. Guess that means I have an assault rifle too. I'll set it by the front door so it will be handy when the government comes by to confiscate it.
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
F35, I'm not sure how you can make a pro-freedom argument in support of a bill that prevents legislators from taking up any idea that might bother the gun manufacturer's association. Speaking of Constitution bashers, this bill is blatantly unconstitutional. Leara should worry about doing business for the people, not the NRA. This is our state, not theirs.
There is nothing in the constitution that gives you the right to own military-style weapons designed to kill large numbers of people in a short time. The Supreme Court, as of now, says the 2nd Amendment means you have a right to keep a handgun for protection.
Funny how people who call themselves "conservative" want to adopt a liberal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, and read words that aren't there.
You have no "right" to your AR-15. Period.
JCLifer 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Funny how people who call themselves "conservative" want to adopt a liberal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, and read words that aren't there.
...shall not be infringed...
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Come on. "Infringed" is not the ambigous word in that amendment. "Arms" is. So is the reference to a "well-regulated militia." Your right to keep and bear a handgun or hunting firearm will not be "infringed" in any way by an assault weapons ban.
Of course, if you're a real conservative devoted to Scalia's mode of Constitutional interpretation, "originalism," you'd have to say that you only have the right to keep and bear "arms" that existed at the time the Constitution was written.
But you know that "originalism" is a sham, don't you?
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Some common sense from a real conservative, David Frum:
thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/20/why-does-the-gun-lobby-fear-science-and-safety.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29
Why do the gun manufacturers fear information and debate?
RobHunterJohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
3633, lets talk about jobs, and a President whom I voted for not connecting, and sadly the republicans are out of touch as well! I have a Vice President that yesterday said " run out and buy a double barrel shotgun"? He told his wife we live in a rural place, if someone is trying to get in just step out on the balcony, and let off a couple of shots? Talk about out of touch! Hey Joe she is now out of Ammo now! Taking away someones abilty, to own, or buy a gun will not solve the problem in Chicago (they already tried that), or Jefferson City! LOCKING THESE PUNKS UP WILL MAKE A GOOD START! How about we allow the police officers to FRISK the individuals on any street corner, or back alley? Last week 3 punks claimed none owned the sawed off shotgun, News Tribune? Back to Jobs, Good Jobs, GUNS, AND IMMIGRATION SEEM TO HAVE DERAILED JOBS, AND BUDGETS? At the Federal and State levels across the good old USA! President Obama needs to get his priorities strait! I would not change my vote even today, I voted for Jobs, MC, SS, and Health Care! If the republicans would have offererd those items, I would have looked hard at their platform, but they did not? I consider myself center, and not beyond dumping one party, or another! In Conn we had a lady trying to bond with her crazy son, she gave him anything he wished for, she had a good babysitter while she was down at the pizzaria? I don't believe he was cuttin the grass, or shoveling snow for the neighbors to buy all those video games, and his idol looks like, he was the Norwegan, and who killed 77? Mental Health is the problem here, not guns! Lock them up white, or black makes no difference to me! The police are doing their part, the JUDGES, and Legislators are not. JUST LOCK THEM UP IF THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW! Rob
3633 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Rob you are on it, I agree, again we still need to get all these things done. Now, whoever the President is, all of the folks in higher office are working for the people, so we want action.I'm tired of the blame game.Get it done!!!!
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
I see we must hash out the same old talking points.
US v. Miller established that Arms does in fact mean military small arms of the current model in use. So yes the second amendment does in fact assure the possession of military style assault weapons. Not that what is being attacked by today's Liberal/Feminist is a current military small arm either for that matter.
The Libs keep hoping if they just lie to the masses enough they will believe them.
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
"Military small arms"? Really? I don't remember that phrase from the decision.
Can you quote from the decision where it says that, please? I mean, since you're so concerned about lies and all that...
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Yes it states that the militia is called up and armed with privately owned and supplied firearms of a military nature.
ownership of weapons for efficiency or preservation of a well-regulated militia unit of the present day is specifically protected
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Since you're so into the Miller decision, what do you think of this language from the case?
"The Constitution as originally adopted granted to the Congress power- 'To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.' U.S.C.A.Const. art. 1, 8. With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view."
Kinda sounds like the Miller court thought that the 2nd Amendment provided for the right to bear arms only for a militia that Congress could call forth to defend the U.S. against invasion or insurrection.
Funny how the NRA tells you guys to interpret it as a militia that would fight against the U.S. government. Funny, huh?
Connor, since you're so into the Miller decision, maybe you'll sign up for the militia to protect the U.S. government from your fellow rebels?
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
If Congress calls up the Militia I will. Although I suspect I would be called up before that due to prior service anyway at least for a few more years.
And as the decision dictates it will be with my privately owned and current military type arms.
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Also the militia. Before any Liberal conglomerate member attempts to throw out that false talking point as well. The Militia is every man (and by today's reading women as well) and maybe called up by various County and State officials. In reality it can be called up by anyone as it is an instrument of the people. The militia was called up in Athens, Georgia in 1946 as a response to voter fraud and poll manipulation (must of been a Democrat) and has also been called up in non-armed support during other disasters. The militia can only be taken into Federal service by an act of Congress.
That is well regulated.
For the last few decades we have not needed the militia. Big government has taken over many tasks the militia did depending on area. Those days are once again coming to an end and as economic reality sinks in the Militia will once again be needed one way or another.
3633 2 months, 3 weeks ago
All that may be true but we are speaking of solving things in this day and time. Yes, the past states all that but what about now, we are all americans, so what do you suggest to help get things in order? We are speaking of solutions for this day and time. C'mon what can we do now to come together to get things in order, let's stop fighting each other!!!!! We can all gove exzmples of a lot of things but what solution can we come up with now?????
3633 2 months, 3 weeks ago
ok my last line should state we all can give examples of a lot of things but what solutions can we come up with, I mispelled a couple of words.
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
3633 - I agree we need solutions but we are not attacking each other the only attacking going on is the Liberal/Feminist left attacking the Constitution and the rights of the people and attempting to remove an instrument of the people that has long been established as a last ditch defensive mechanism.
There is no solution in this move at all. In fact if you look at the numbers it is simply more spending of money we do not have for very little gain as it will do nothing to stop violence. Look at the recent shooting in California yesterday. The guy used a shotgun, although I am sure they will "find" a rifle soon enough just like in Newtown.
JCLifer 2 months, 3 weeks ago
liberals are so nutty that it is almost funny how they are so focused on taking away gun rights while our country and its citizens have much bigger problems.
Why do you want to attack firearms deaths, which are a very small proportion to other preventabe deaths in this country?
Tobacco 430,700 Alcohol 110,640 Suicide 30,575 Homicide 18,272
Gun control has nothing to do with guns, but is all about CONTROL.
F35 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Seqoia, You are a sheep that has bought in to the media hoopla.. And I will not surrender any firearms because you liberals think they are scary.
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Not a sheep. She/Him has appointed herself the pied piper of Liberal/Feminist LBG talking points. Attempting to sugar coat the lies of the left in the hopes of suppressing rational suspicion. He likes to find other wolves in Conservative clothing and play them up in an attempt to muddy the waters. It doesn't matter how many times you shoot down her lies she waits until she hopes you are not around to just type them out again.
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm not a liberal, I'm a conservative. There's nothing "conservative" about legislation that criminalizes the bringing of bills to the floor.
And I'm not asking you to surrender any of your firearms. I'm supporting a ban on the manufacture and civillian sale of semi-automatic rifles and other military equipment.
JCLifer 2 months, 3 weeks ago
So, you admit you want to take away my little ol' .22 squirrel rifle that I have had as a kid.
You know not what you are talking about. Semi-auto rifles have been common for civilians for nearly a century. Magazines that hold up to 24 rounds have been common for years as well.
How about going after the fruitcakes who commit these mass shootings instead of ranting hysterically about what you don't even know about?
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
So, I don't want to take away anything from you or anyone. How many times do I have to say that?
A ban on the manufacture of assault rifles wouldn't apply to you, unless you MANUFACTURE them.
Most of the "fruitcakes" are dead. And, research on suicide indicates that people are not "permanently suicidal." People's heads get in a bad but temporary place. Usually, they try once, and if they fail, they don't try again.
The same holds true for suicidal murderers. If Adam Lanza had not had access to military style rifles on that day, there is a very good chance he would not have killed anyone. But he had them right there. That's the problem.
And look, there is nothing "hysterical" about what I'm saying.
Saying that the 2nd Amendment has no limits, and hinting about fighting the government, is way more hysterical in my view.
JCLifer 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Why not go after the problem? Adam's mother should have locked up the weapons. That is the problem, not that the weapons exist. Weapons do not do anything on their own. PEOPLE are the kilers, not the weapons. She should have locked them up and she didn't. Karma/Darwin solved that problem forever. She won't do that again. Banning weapons will not bring her or those other victims back.
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Adam Lanza did not use a rifle and suicides involving rifles are rare in the extreme. Your argument has zero merit.
JCLifer 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Oh, but it almost sounds believable if the liberals keep wailing the same lies over and over and over...
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Adam Lanza used an AR-15 to blow up the bodies of all those children. You can debate the merits of my argument, but at least I've got my facts straight.
redstate.com/2012/12/27/setting-the-record-straight-adam-lanza-did-use-the-bushmaster-ar-15/
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
The AR 15 claims are as back and forth as the two shooters suggestions. I still support the handgun only claims.
RobHunterJohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Adam Lanza should not have been in his mothers care! Adam Lanza was bonkers, and the system failed him, as well as his enabling mother trying to bond with him, and fix his little boo-boo! His Father was gone, and Brother too! Ever wonder WHY? There is more to the story than the Media, police, and the President, are telling us? What kind of guns were used, and in what time frame? The weapon in the car from the helicopter view looks like an AR15? If the Law abiding gun owners complied like sheep, the criminal element would still have guns, so there, where would we be, your position continues to be very fluid in this conversation Seqouia take a stand, I am center, you know how I vote, most of these elected anti gunners are comitting political suicide if they vote for this nonsense, or continue to bring up such bills! Remember just a few percentage points elect most of these politicians these days! I rejoined the NRA over this issue, that was over a 20 year break, now maybe these Republicans will come up with some legislation that will benefit the working man, like Good paying jobs, solutions for MC, SS, and Healthcare! I will bet ol Hillary is paying a lot of attention to this issue, and I sure do like my Ruger 10/22 with my larger clip, I guess that makes it an asssault rifle in your book? I have not even been able to find any 22 bullets since Christmas, in the shooting world the 22 is the standard, something is very wrong! Rob
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
There are many parts to the Lanza story that are now being hidden. A number of interviews with neighbors and friends done by European (mostly British) newspapers that go completely against what is being reported today by the Lefty US media.
The most telling one was a friend who made the connection between Adam's mother and the principal and psychologist at that school. That interview is buried deep now.
Ever wonder why no psychologist or psychiatrist has come forward as being the one who diagnosed Adam Lanza? There were also pictures of the Principal and Adam's mother together. Yet now he has no connection to that school?
The Lanza story is being manipulated and selectively reported on for political means. From what I hear a lot of what is being covered up or ignored by media today will come out in the civil suits so we will see if it is some conspiracy theory or not.
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
The argument that "if we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" is a silly argument. Why make any laws? Lawbreakers will just break them!
I like how you're all concerned about the government taking guns away, but then you casually advocate that the government should remove children from their parents if they seem "bonkers." Don't take my guns... take my kids! I guess government over-reach is fine if it isn't happening to you.
All I'm saying is that products DESIGNED FOR MASS KILLING should not be manufactured and sold, or at least should be regulated at least as well as cigarettes or automobiles. Not sure what's so radical about that.
RobHunterJohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
cigarettes, what a filthy habit, smoked 11 years, been off them for 30! Put them out of business tommorrow. Get rid of that skoal type tobacco as well. Regulate them? price them out of availability for young people! Automobiles licenses, they just steal the plates,or stickers. Do not ask about insurance half the fine folks that hit me never even thought about insurance? My gun is mine, if I wish to buy another I will, Adam Lanza was CRAZY he should have never been allowed to leave school without a plan! The Guy in Colorado, the physcologist could have locked him up for 72 hours, but SHE CHOSE NOT TOO, the woman who supplied the guns to the firemen killer, enough said! PUT them in jail, get them the help they need! The gun did not kill, the gun was a tool, why don't we outlaw all the ASSAULT ROCKS IN my back yard, the first real Assualt weapon! (CAIN and ABLE)? Rob
RobHunterJohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Im supporting a ban on the manufacture and sale of semi automatic rifles? Sequoia? Im a conservative? You sound like the radical left! I guess you want my ol ruger 10/22 as well? The media and far left says they have the people behind them? I do not believe that. Rob
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
I DO NOT WANT YOUR GUNS. NO ONE WANTS TO GET YOUR OL' WHATEVER. Can you please read what I'm writing??
I want manufacturers to stop making weapons designed for mass killings and selling them to civilians with little or no oversight.
Give every gun a license number, just like a car, so we know who bought it.
What is radical is the idea that gun manufacturers can make these products, sell them, keep them wholly unregulated, buy off politicians and shut down debate about them. We regulate cars much more heavily than we regulate items specifically designed for mass killing. That's the NRA at work, and that's plain crazy.
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Oh so you don't want our guns? Then which gun control legislation is it you are supporting? Fienstien's? The one put out by the Liberal/Feminist Missouri Congresspeople from St. Louis?
As I recall both of them call for confiscation and banning of firearms.
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Cars are not covered by the Constitution and Sequoia's Non-Gun Grabbing but gun grabbing would cause thousands more people to lose their jobs.
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
And Rob to be attacking Sequoia for her flip flopping in an attempt to cover her lies is one thing but you have supported these gun grabbers just as much as she has for some time now.
Maybe you finally draw the line at taking away this particular right but you are as much responsible for the gun grabbers having the opportunity to do so as Sequoia has been.
Maybe you will will think your loyalty to government funded union booty through a bit more for now on. It comes with a price.
RobHunterJohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
conner, why don't you go out and stand in the snow! My position has not changed since you arrived on the scene here at NT? I will continue to vote democratic, because no one is going to loose any guns or clips. If the republicans want to pony up to the people rather than the corporations, we all could get alot further in the Legislative process, but tearing down what others have built is not the answer. I DO NOT KNOW ONE REPUBLICAN THAT WOULD GIVE UP THERE SOCIAL SECURITY, OR MEDICARE. THERE IS A REASON BEHIND YOU ANTI SS, and MC message; You aint worked enough on the farm with your temp employment, and pushing cows, It is like the old bar owner, who cut every corner to make his taxes, then he finds out he did not pay into SS, and MC enough; Is that you connner? I am so sorry, you should have worked more to qualify for better benefits, when it hits the fan, and it will, you will use what benefits you have coming just like the rest of us! If republicans would have addressed Health Care, MC, and SS a long time ago, I would have never left. You don't deposit over $300,000 in a trust to allow a couple of punk corperate puppets like ROMENY, RYAN, or PAUL to DISMANTLE! The Republican party must do better. The only thing they are doing for me now is proteecting my Gun rights, they must do better in JOBS and taking care of the people who work in this country! Rob
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
You should have started protecting your gun rights years ago, but now that you have at least followed the lies of your being some union guy, not that you have actually worked more than commenting here in at least a year and proclaimed all the while your a moderate (who now admits to only voting Democrat) you really have no soap box to stand on.
I have already put my time in defending the Constitution physically now because of greed ridden, right sacrificing, hypocrites like you it looks like I am going to have to do it again. All so you can at least claim to get some pension to readers of a forum.
Good Job.
And you still have no moral right to jump anyone about not working, or being wishy washy with their comments and positions.
RobHunterJohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Thanks J Clay I respect your opinion, you are the reason I vote democratic, not the Union, or the feminist liberal. I will stand and fight for all things that I feel worthy, I will stand on my soap box anytime I wish! Remember I could be standing next to you at a gun show, or a Second Amendment rally. The 2nd amendment should not be some thing that should reflect partisanship, everyone who is interested in their gun rights should speak up, or maybe you did not get the memo? rob
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Oh I got the memo long before you did when your boy Obama admitted he was going to go for gun control Last October and you denied it then. OOPS.
I guess nothing was going to pull you out of your free cash Obama trance then though.
And yes you can speak whenever you want. Your welcome for that. It is your right. Doesn't mean you have any moral right however since you have aided and abetted the attackers.
And I wish I would see you at a gun show so I could point out the Obama voter. I am sure you would get a hardy welcome then.
RobHunterJohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
conner, All I voted on was guns long before you were even thinking about VOTING, then after Reagan left office something changed. I don't know if it was Bush so much, but the Republicans in general lost touch with Americans, don't buy it without the made USA? Never heard of it, We made everything here clothing, eletronics, cars and STEEL production? If we had to fight a conventional war, we are doomed for lack of steel production. Free cash? Unemployment insurance is paid in on every legal worker in the United States! Even temporary help! I work and plan for my layoffs, no vacations, mostly no extras, no new cars have not bought one of them since a 1983, a Blazer? Morals? conner? I let your retoric go in one eye and out the other like a type writer, not even worthy of a comment on your position 99% of the time! There is more to it than babies, and guns! There is Jobs, budgets, MC, SS, and Health Care! If you want to vote with such a narrow mind feel free, the last 2 amendment rally last month at the capital, they had several speakers, and it was stressed that this is a bi-partisan issue? So you can view, or blend it, any way you, and your parties position wants on taxes, guns, babies with not an inkling of flexibility! Then you will reap more of the same from your party in 2014, or 16! rob
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
You are part of the problem. You support these gun grabbing Democrats all for your own gain. Try and argue it away, I am sure it works for your own warped sense of entitlement but as far as I am concerned you have no grounds to complain about your rights being taken away. If you want to scream and yell now so be it but you voted for them.
The Democrats have been the ones sending our business, industry and wealth overseas yet you continue to blame Republicans but expect those of us who have seen you supporting these socialists to accept you with open arms now that they have finally hit on something you care about.
Well makes sense I guess it has always been about YOU.
Your drivel, flip flopping and bogus claims plus lack of any real world cause and effect intelligence bores me now more than it ever did.
Hope you enjoy registering and then turning in your 10/22 it will give me a bit of satisfaction knowing you had to.
RobHunterJohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
About me? your the recluse from society except when you drive somewhere, see you in another 3 months or so. Rob
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
You're still here? Oh ya no where else to go.
kentheco 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Do you think banning a rifle would stop the shootings in Jefferson City? But then again, I doubt the shooters had mental conditions, unless not knowing how to handle confrontations without violence is a mental condition.
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
We have not had a mass killing in Jefferson City, thankfully.
If two thugs want to shoot at each other, I really don't care about that. Some problems can't be solved. But I do support laws that would make it harder for anyone with a criminal conviction to obtain a gun.
online_editor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Actually, Jefferson City has had at least one such incident that I remember off the top of my head. Shots fired at the Modine plant on the night of July 1, 2003 killed three and injured five others before the shooter drove to outside the police station, where he fatally shot himself after trading shots with an officer. Just pointing that out.
JCLifer 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Meanwhile, the actual unemployment rate is around 15%, underemployment rate is probably at least 40%, and the legislators are ignoring the failing economy to focus all their attention and noise on a few fruitcakes who shoot at schools, theaters, and shopping centers. At the same time, many more are killed in the inner cities each day, and no one says a word.
Fix the economy, give people meaningful employment to become self-sufficient, reform welfare, and 3/4 of this country's problems, including many of these shootings will disappear overnight.
JCLifer 2 months, 3 weeks ago
youtube.com/watch?v=-6FlosyD4g4
ROTFLMAO!!! So many things wrong here.
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
NO ONE WANTS YOUR GUNS!!!!
But...
assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution: (1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.
weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.
Sounds like someone wants are guns doesn't it?
F35 2 months, 3 weeks ago
You cannot let them have ANY kind of firearms. If you do, it will be large caliber rifles next. "Assault Rifles" is a misused term. They take MONTHS to clear a backround and are select fire weapons. What the media is calling an assault rifle is nothig more than a semi automatic rifle that is cosmetically the same as its Military counterpart. It is a SEMI-AUTO. And yes there is a need and a purpose for these weapons as well as high capacity mags. They are used for varmint hunting, competitions, etc. The media is portraying them to be the villain when in fact it is the user who is the villain . If you want to make a change, enforce the laws we already have! We dont need anymore... You cannot give in to the gun grabbers! They are basing their ideas on cosmetics and not facts.
Rbreb13 2 months, 3 weeks ago
You're right about not giving in. Next they'll want our assault knives, then our assault baseball bats, my wifes assault frying pan. It'll never end until they have everything.
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
I agree 100% with your assessment F35. Those semi-auto's are also the best weapon for dealing with feral dogs and the like.
They won't stop until we stop them.
Sequoia 2 months, 3 weeks ago
"The laws we already have" have been weakened and not enforced due to NRA lobbying.
usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/02/07/nra-interferes-with-atf-operations/1894355/
If the NRA would quit watering down these laws, maybe we wouldn't need new ones.
Of course, Rbreb13, I'm sure I don't have to explain it to you (but maybe I do): Knives, baseball bats and frying pans are not DESIGNED for mass killing. These military-style weapons are. Come on. You've got better arguments than that, don't you?
I'd be willing to bet neither connor nor F35 have ever used a military style weapon to kill an animal. Y'all are posers. Really, if you need that many follow-up shots to make a kill, you shouldn't be out there with a gun until you've had some target practice.
Weapons designed for mass killing need to be carefully regulated. What's wrong with that?
connor 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Because it is AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION for one thing. And for your information I have used one of my AR15's in protecting my own livestock on more than one occasion.
But more importantly I am still asking since you say you don't want to take our guns.
Which gun control legislation is it you support?
F35 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Sequoia, You would be incorrect again, I have killed an animals with one. Unfortunately, you have drank too much of Obamas Kool-Aid. Like so many liberals, they try to impose and make laws on topics they truly know very little about. First off, you have bought into the medias demonization of an inanimate object.... A semi-automatic rifle is harmless until it is put into the hands of a madman, which society has demonstrated lately.. And true to a liberals nature, it is easier to vilify the weapon than to address the REAL problem, which is the mental state in which the operator is in. Lanza and Holmes were both mental cases. Had it not been an Ar-15, it would have been another gun. Would you be so inclined to outlaw those weapons as well? Had those 2 nut jobs gone in with 12 gauges, would you outlaw them? A 12 gauge with 00 buck shot will do MUCH, MUCH more damage than an AR. Should we go after them as well? Because as soon you allow the "Assault rifle" to be banned, they will be next! And, you still have not addressed the real problem! My guess is that you are a parent who has watched too much TV since the shootings and is making decisions based on your heart and not your brain, like so many other liberals who know nothing about firearms. I do hope someday, with regards to firearms that you become educated as to what it is you are talking about and less inclined to make ignorant laws that will have no effect on the problem at hand. You like so many other individuals have become victim to media bias. I do however want you to know, that you are not alone, there are many others in America who would like to infringe on our 2nd amendment rights based on what a handful of crazy people have done.
Dan 2 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm new to the Tribune posts here, but I see that, like on other pages, there are some that think you can legislate problems away. Whether you're talking about the Ten Commandments or Laws, simple words don't stop wrongful actions. Bad people will do bad things. All this Gun Control rhetoric is just that. We can pass law after law and it will stop nothing. Our Country's value system is out of whack and we'd better address that pretty quickly. Hard work, saving, abiding by our laws is not rewarded. Inappropriate behavior is rewarded. People game support systems and use them for unintended purposes. Family values and the family unit is under attack. Judeo/Christian values are under attack. Our morality comes from Hollywood for goodness sake.
Relative to the subject of this post. Politicians need to stop posturing and do something productive. Law abiding, mentally stable citizens should not have their rights to defend themselves or our Country because of the actions of a few. Let's peel back the onion and make sure we see the real agenda being pushed here.
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