GOP’s Mourdock stands by rape, abortion remark

Wednesday, October 24, 2012

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock refused to apologize Wednesday for saying that rape resulting in pregnancy is “something God intended.”

State Republicans and a few congressional leaders defended Mourdock, whose prospects of winning the seat long held by the GOP are unclear.

But with women voters critical in the tight presidential race and other stalemated contests two weeks before Election Day, many in the party distanced themselves with varying levels of abruptness and clarity, underscoring the difficult nature of the uproar even among other anti-abortion Republicans.

Indiana gubernatorial candidate Mike Pence sought an apology from Murdock. Indiana House candidate Jackie Walorski, meanwhile, issued three statements Wednesday: two disagreeing with Mourdock and one suggesting Republicans get back to talking about President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.

That didn’t happen Wednesday as the issue ricocheted around the nation’s political landscape, from the presidential contest on down.

Mourdock, meanwhile, dove into damage control Wednesday, explaining that he abhors violence of any kind and regrets that some may have misconstrued and “twisted” his comments. But he stood behind the original remark in Tuesday night’s debate.

“I spoke from my heart. And speaking from my heart, speaking from the deepest level of my faith, I would not apologize. I would be less than faithful if I said anything other than life is precious, I believe it’s a gift from God,” Mourdock said at a news conference Wednesday.

GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney’s campaign quickly said he disagrees with Mourdock, but did not cancel a television ad in which Romney endorses him. New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte canceled an event scheduled for Wednesday with Mourdock. But Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell and Texas Sen. John Cornyn issued statements of support, acutely aware that Mourdock’s fortunes in Indiana could hold the key to winning control of the Senate. Republicans must gain four seats if President Barack Obama is re-elected, three if Romney prevails.

In Indiana, it wasn’t supposed to be this way. Mourdock’s upset of veteran Republican Sen. Richard Lugar in the May primary created an opening for Democrats looking to fight for what would have otherwise been a safe GOP seat. The surprisingly close race between Mourdock and Democrat Joe Donnelly has spurred national Republicans to send more money and national stars to Indiana recently in an attempt to hold the seat.

Mourdock’s rape comment seemed to fall a few steps short of Republican U.S. Rep. Todd Akin’s comment earlier this summer that a woman’s body would block against pregnancy in cases of “legitimate rape,” both in terms of the comment itself and its potential impact in the race.

National Republican and conservative groups, including Crossroads GPS, the National Republican Senatorial Committee and the Club for Growth continued their on-air assault against Donnelly Wednesday. A Democratic source tracking ad buys nationally said Wednesday there was no effort from Mourdock supporters to pull out of the state, as there was in Missouri, following Akin’s comments.

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eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

What the hell !!!!!!! This SOB is crazy!! I don't suffer from high blood pressure but right now I bet it's through the roof!! Hasn't this jerk weed ever heard of evil.. satan..Ican't believe this. Saying that about God. I need a beer or a big shot of whiskey.

eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I'm still foaming at the mouth. Where do these aholes get off deciding things for women as far as rape, abortion. Like how wer'e supposed to think or what to do or not do. dvgfubjbpogkv;rgfvb;

newone 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It's called being a Republican, they want women to stay in the dark ages where they didn't think for themselves and where they did as the man said and did nothing but cook and clean. They are sick.

tonto_goldberg 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I disagree, although very strange beliefs about the human reproductive process have been proclaimed by a lot of republicans including several who are educated enough to know better. I blame it on the so-called right-to-life movement, whose absolute opposition to abortion, contraception, and sex education trumps anything and everything else. The republicans feel the need to keep those votes to win elections.

The guy is a loon, but he does belong to the (formerly Grand) Old Party. He's their current albatross, like our own Todd Aiken was a few weeks back. For the sake of building up their vote count the republicans will keep him on if he gets elected.

JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Ok, it is a gift from Satan.

Feel better?

eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

No.

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I feel the same way eileen. Everytime I see yet another restraining order issued without a trial or some guy have his rights revoked because he had a visit from the cops due to some domestic violence call bogus or not.

Evil comes in many forms.

eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes connor. Evil does come in many forms. Cripe. I was talking to you about having a bit of fun and a smile on a face then all hell broke loose on my part. As far as rights revoked and restraining orders my best friends son is sitting in jail for something he did not do. Women are generally seen as the weaker sex but but look what happens when we lash out due to being angry. It's the man that gets the raw deal even though he's innocent. I read between the lines but that doesn't mean I'm always right with what I'm thinking. Sometimes I feel like running away to a deserted island when life gets really difficult but it wouldn't do much good. I'd get stuck in the sand. Oh ya. Mourdock can go to hell. Talk about poop for brains.

Paroquet 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Frankly, I wouldn't feel any different if the words of Mourdock and Aiken came out of the mouths of Dems. Party isn't the issue here, if you get what I'm saying. It's the Taliban by another name.

dokeus6 6 months, 3 weeks ago

"It's the Taliban by another name."

But the ignorance and arrogance that these guys are showing is okay because they are our elected leaders!

eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

When the bomb went off I didn't know if the guy was Dem. or Rep. and I didn't care. If I were married to a guy like that and found out what he was really like I'd be a widow sitting in prison. Okay. I wouldn't go that far but I'd sure feel like it. And what kind of religion believes something like that and what God does he talk to? Not mine. Rape is a crime. Would God okay that and say it's okay? No. I realize there are people who have different beliefs and that's all well and good . I'm speaking for myself only. I'm still foaming at the mouth and the stuff Akin said was settling down but now it's back full force. This has caused a fire storm with good reason.And what he said could relate to a woman or a young girl because rape is rape and pregnancy can occur in very young girls. I bet when he was born the Dr. dropped him and his head hit the floor and scrambled things around because no sane person could believe such hog wash. I take that back. Sane people do believe that. Now I understand why the differing political parties go at it hot and heavy. I'm not all that passionate about politics but I am about rape and abortion and a woman's personal feelings about it. The end. For now.

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

So the party of Roosevelt, Kennedy, Hart, Spitzer, Weiner, and God's gift to women Bill Clinton is upset over a Republican's "comments" about women (not actually committing adultery and alleged rape like the aforementioned Democrats). Too bad aborted babies will never have the chance to vote against this Republican scum huh?

Sequoia 6 months, 3 weeks ago

The problem is not just the comments, but what they say about how that person will govern.

These Republican men do not know how women's bodies work, they don't CARE that they don't know, they don't take the time to learn. As men, they make policy that women, not they, will have to live with. They fetishize the fetus, but they never talk about the woman carrying that fetus.

When you're in power, you have to take care to understand what you're doing. These men don't care. They treat their ignorance as a virtue, not a failing.

tonto_goldberg 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Seriously? You used the following to describe anyone who disagrees with you. "immoral" "illogical" "cannot or refuse to comprehend" "don't want to deal with reality" "selfishness" "deny reality" You want to rule the issue based on your simplistic grade-school understanding of biology? Excuse me if I disagree.

eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

What? Are you saying you agree that rape and a resulting pregnancy is something God intended?

eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Just in case someone wants to get in a nasty fight with me, here's what I believe. When a woman becomes pregnant due to rape she needs intensive counseling. If she feels she has the strength to carry the baby and give it up for adoption that's what needs to be done. It's not the babies fault but it's not something that God intended to happen. He didn't make it happen. I don't believe in abortion but I know there are women who cannot deal with rape much less a pregnancy and that's something between the woman, her doctor and God. I would never judge any woman for a decision she makes. That's not up to me. Had I become pregnant due to the rape i went through I would have kept the baby. It would have been MY baby. My baby to love and care for.Any kind of fight will have to wait because I need to pick a friend up so she can do her shopping.

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

There are only two options in the event of a rape induced pregnancy. Kill the baby or let the baby live. Killing the baby may make you feel better in some weird way, but you still killed a baby, and you didn't erase the crime. All you do by killing the baby is compound the anguish of the victim. Life is life and babies are wholly innocent life. Now the victim has to deal with the pain and suffering of killing a wholly innocent life. I wouldn't wish that anguish on any woman. I don't condemn a politician or anyone else with this point of view. Its weird, but I think the idea of a woman aborting a rape induced pregancy seems to make YOU feel better than it would make HER feel better.

Sequoia 6 months, 3 weeks ago

And Gus, by the grace of biology you'll NEVER have to choose either one of those options.

Be thankful for that, and let women make their choice.

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

No argument here about the grace of biology, but I can say that as a Neanderthal male, I could still never kill a baby. I can't understand how the stronger/fairer sex could ever conceive of it...destruction is easy, but never helpful.

Sequoia 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Then maybe you should talk to some women about their experience, instead of judging them from behind a computer screen. I doubt you'd find they say that the choice was "easy."

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

He can start with NYC and 41% of it's pregnancies ending in abortion.

"Broken down by race for 2009:

Specifically non-Hispanic Blacks have a 59.8% abortion rate.

Hispanics have a 41.3% abortion rate.

Asians have a 22.7% abortion rate.

And non-Hispanic Whites have a 20.4% abortion rate.

The fact that 41% of all pregnancies in New York City end in abortion is not a secret and it's not anything new.

In fact, things have been getting better over the past decade.

Back in 1998, 12 years ago, the number was actually 46%."

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Never claimed the choice was easy, I said killing the baby is easy. Simply stick scissors in his/her brain-stem in-utero, or crush his/her scull with forceps. Boom...dead baby. Easy. But better???

dokeus6 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Neanderthal (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) as a species disappeared from the earth long before day 5 of creation. They may have been strong but they were not smart. The Cro_Magnon (early Homo sapiens sapiens) on the other hand were vastly superior to the Neanderthal sub-species thus setting up the situation for the evolution towards modern humans who still lack intelligence and make stupid comments like the one we are posting on right now. So according to science Gus , I highly doubt you are a Neanderthal male. Obviously, you have no idea what a Neanderthal is or you would have never made such a claim.

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I know what a Neanderthal is and there is a picture of Nancy Pelosi next to it. Zing!!!!!!!

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Liberal Ideology

"So Stupid Even a Neanderthal Knows Better"

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Genius...the reference to Neanderthal was to poke fun at dips like you who would proclaim every male to be Cro-Magnon or earlier because we have an opinion on what has been mistakenly promoted as a womens' only issue. You've proven my point and don't even realize it. So watch your efforts to paint others as "stupid" when you yourself are unwittingly stepping into those very shoes. To quote Bugs..."what a maroon, what an embezzle!"

dokeus6 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Is that a threat Gus?

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Do you read English doke?

dokeus6 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes I do, the kind that makes sense! I asked you a simple question.Was that a threat?

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I take it you consider a superior argument threatening. Read it again...to paraphrase, your attempt to try to make me out to be "stupid", made you look stupid. Is that threatening to you?

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I guess doke you can go stamp your little feet somewhere else.

dokeus6 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You don't threaten me at all Gus, when someone tells me So watch what I'm doing makes me think they you are trying to use the Or else with me. I don't particular care for the or else statement. You need no help to look stupid, you can handle that issue yourself.

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

No it was cautionary note, don't paint others as "stupid", when you are revealing your own stupidity. It takes your credibility down a notch or two. And way to not even try to refute the point by instead focusing on some phantom threat. Either you have ADD and can't stay on topic, or you deliberately try to change subjects when you are called out for your debating shortcomings.

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You have gone way too far Grumpy. Implying credibility where none exists. Too Far!!!

dokeus6 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I can't imagine how you would take your original statement as you considering yourself a Neanderthal as not being a invitation for someone to call you out on it. I should stop being so literal and see through the obvious reference that you were trying to make. I should stop thinking when people are ignorant and make such stupid comments that they are just trying to make a point about something only God knows what. I will keep my thoughts to my self when they make such outlandish posts. Only in your world Gus do your thoughts carry any weight.

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Also, you insert the "or else" statement in your own mind and try to pin that on me. Odd...

Paroquet 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Yo Gus? Re-read your post. Absorb it. Internalize it. Now you know just how difficult of a choice it can be for a woman. And if I recall, you have neither the time nor resources to take-in a fostern or adopt. If I mis-remember, I offer my sincerest apology.

JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It is horrible that folks want BIGGER GOVERNMENT and to allow the government to get its tenticles inside a woman's body and to control what consenting adults do in their bedroom.

Bigger government = less freedom.

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I can't stop people from making bad choices. I can only try to persuade them to make good choices. Again, I know you are happy when women kill babies...you have made your point abundently clear. Yet I am the lower order mammal. Fair enough and enough said.

trijenem49 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Gus, I'm new to this forum but after reading these comments, I must ask why is it that you feel that you must stop people from making bad choices? As stated in an earlier post whatever choice a woman makes is between her and her God. No one else should be involved. Especially men who have no idea not only how a woman's body works, but even how her emotions and mental well being work. Plus, they type of abortion you are describing in earlier posts is partial birth abortion, which is already illegal in the State of Missouri. Your wonderful conservative republican party has been in power in both the Missouri General Assembly and in Congress for several years now and they still have not banned abortion entirely. So your precious conservative party may not be as totally conservative as you think they are.

JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago

True conservatives believe in personal responsibility and accountability, less government intrusion, and smaller government. The anti-choicers are NOT conservatives! They want big government to step in and take over.

tonto_goldberg 6 months, 3 weeks ago

That's absolutely correct. It's a simple definition. Either ya is or ya ain't.

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Sorry JCLifer but a Religious Conservative can be anti-choice and still be a Conservative. Traditional Religious beliefs are within the boundaries of the various Conservative definitions.

Also not everyone is arguing against abortion completely but are forced to join forces with the Pro-Lifers due not to abortion per se, but the way it is financed by the government, promoted by those who are financed by the government and the fact that not all parties involved in the pregnancy are entitled to a say.or a choice.

As a matter of fact it is the pro-choicers who are forcing long term repercussions on those who have NO Choice int he matter.

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

This story is a diversion. Roe vs. Wade settled the abortion debate. Anything else is scare tactics and sleight of hand. Economy is going over a cliff and the media wants to focus on what one man believes over millions of other opinions. Mission accomplished.

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It's more than the media spelchek. The libs are losing their strangle hold on the White Female vote as well. Romney has now closed the gap on the Female vote to less than 3 percentage points by today's polls. The Libs are terrified that finally something matters to Women more than having the guilt free abortion option always open to them.

Int he game of politics apparently a really bad economy can trump abortions. Who knew?

Paroquet 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Connor, you are speaking with Aiken's tongue and Murdocks brain, on drugs. Abortion is never guilt free.

Your statement is as imbecilic as those made by the conservative politicos whose names I mention here. Conservatives who want to go so far as to legislate what a woman chooses to happen to her own body. That's not conservative. That's about as liberal as it gets.

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Well your totally wrong there being pro life is a Christian belief and upholding religious values is even mentioned in the definition of Conservative. Believing in laws of morality does not make one liberal...Obviously.

Paroquet 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Bzzt! Error! You're condoning one religious group subjugating the free will given to us all by our Creator. Again, not conservative. Liberal in every sense.

Conservatives simply aren't. They've just managed to delude themselves into thinking so.

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Whatever Paraqwat you can argue that out with Wiki or whatever other definition place you wish to consult.

Not my problem

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

AP poll not that it matters to you but there you have it.

TickledPink 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Connor, I don't know a single woman who's gone to the clinic whistling and skipping to a happy tune. Are any of you really that ignorant or do you just enjoy being hateful (although hateful seems to be the Republican theme anymore)? Until you've been in that situation, you cannot know the heartache that goes along with the decision to abort. No amout of blathering will ever change that. You can't cry the tears, feel the pain, live with the guilt. Does everyone feel the guilt? Nope, some are quite comfortable with their decision. From my experience, those are the minority. But it is MY RIGHT to protect my body in any way I see fit and by law I have the right to carry or abort as I see fit. I had my tubes tied many years ago - that goes against the religious belief of certain people. Should they have been able to tell me I couldn't do that? Your opinion has no place in my life because I'm the only one who has to live with the consequences.

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

And there in lies the flaw in your argument. You wish to present it as a choice effecting you and you only when in fact it is anything but. In many ways it effects others by your own (using you as a general female that is) choosing and enforcing that state by your own vote onto others.

From a non-religious point of view I oppose abortion as it stands now simply because you have no right to enforce your will onto others who have no say in the final decision or choice.

TickledPink 6 months, 3 weeks ago

But that's exactly what you're doing (general you) when you try to restrict that right. OUR body is the one to deal with a pregnancy so the choice does affect me more than any other person who may be involved in the equation. I've had 4 children and I know the toll it takes on a body. That's an incredible invasion for someone who doesn't want a baby or additional trauma for a rape victim who's already been through enough. Who has the right to order any woman to endure that?

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It's very simple. You want a choice? Then the sperm donor gets a choice as well. When the shoe is on the other foot and a woman decides she wants to keep her child the man is on the hook for life and you justify that by saying it takes two to tango. Yet the turnaround of that has no bearing on women when they decide they don't want to carry the child or care for it, or abandon their career or whatever it's always "Their Choice" end of discussion.

Until women stop being so hypocritical and tyrannical about their reproductive privilege and their choice but the "man's wallet" I will be staunchly anti-abortion and I am not alone.

You want men to keep their nose out of the abortion issue? Then give men an abortion choice of their own to opt out of it and we will.

MO4LIFE 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Must be one of those Faux News Polls.

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

The gentleman rises to disagree....

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I know, I know...I can't resist. It's just the whole concept that anyone besides a rapist approves of rape is asinine. Biden get's a pass on putting blacks back in chains but a Republican is taken to the whipping post because he believes God has a plan for all of us. The outrage seems manufactured in the grand scheme of things. BUT, this is only my aliased opinion.

asb 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Graphic descriptions of late-term abortion, and calling meat a baby, do not make early term abortion the murder you want it to be. Carrying the meat of a rapist, on the other hand, cannot be overstated as a crime to the mother visited on her by religious and superstitious zealots. One point raised by the FRight in this thread is valid, reproduction issues are NOT purely women's issues. There are numerous things our society has rules about that those not having experienced the issue are still allowed, and should have, opinions on. If our society should devolve to consider early-term abortion murder, then men could and should have an opinion. When the Serb facists raped thousands of muslim women in their attempt to change reality, many women were permitted abortions, and that was in a society where abortion is absolutely taboo. In fact, many women were forced to abort, or just killed, for choosing to carry a serb fetus to term. You can call abortion murder, but it's not: by law, by biology, and for now anyway, by social agreement of most Americans.

TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I am sorry but the prolifers are seriously crazy. If it is a baby at conception then you are killing a baby no matter what. None of this bad baby bull. If you are prolife no abortion should be acceptable. PERIOD. By the way I feel that people are responsible for their own body's and choices. I just think this exeption stuff is a load of.....

asb 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Life does not begin at conception. Life begin over four billion years ago and each sperm and egg are each, or both, capable of becoming a human. Those of you with religious dogma saying life begins at conception are simply wrong. Those who say a child of rape is God's plan are demonstrating why religion is often considered superstition. No sane God would deliberately impose such a gift, but Satan might.

JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It isn't a person until it has self-awareness and a soul.

TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago

When is that exactly?

JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You just made my point! We don't know- could be at conception (I doubt it) or it could be 3 years old.

This is a choice between the woman and her maker. It has nothing to do with the government.

tonto_goldberg 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Some people never get there.

trijenem49 6 months, 3 weeks ago

This is my first time responding on this type of forum but I am finding some of these comments so ridiculous that I felt I needed to comment. It seems that the concensus on this site is that abortion is bad, no matter what the circumstances of impregnation were. The decision to terminate a pregnancy is a woman's choice, no matter how you look at it. If a woman truly wants to end a pregnancy it will be ended, whether a doctor performs a sterile procedure, or the woman finds a way to end it herself. That is a choice that is between the woman and her God. I am a Liberal, but I am also a Christian, my God says Judge not lest ye be judged. Seems to me like all the religion touting people on here are Judgemental Christians, not the kind that would ask themselves What Would Jesus Do? I also think these same Christians need to be aware that for several years now, the Missouri General Assembly and the United States House of Representatives have both been Republican controlled, but they still have not banned abortion. Why do you think that is?

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

"I also think these same Christians need to be aware that for several years now, the Missouri General Assembly and the United States House of Representatives have both been Republican controlled, but they still have not banned abortion. Why do you think that is?" -- Because the SCOTUS settled this matter in 1973.

TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I just thought JCLifer might know something I did not.... I do not judge, but I can say that the cell made by the egg and sperm is alive and when a baby is born I believe the soul is present. I have seen many babies born..... I do not judge, I find it interesting you are attacking like I am a prolifer, maybe you should reread my posts. I will say if I had the choice I would not terminate a pregnancy. Every child has potential no matter who their parents are.

JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago

The wart i cut off my back was also alive. I don't know if a part of my sould was in that wart, but i cut it anyway.

Wonder if doctors are committing murder when they remove an organ from someone?

Shpuld I be worried when I cut my fingernails or get a haircut? Am I harming my soul?

GrumpyGus 6 months, 3 weeks ago

No, it seems the wart lived...what a disgusting comparison to human life. This is the textbook example of why I could never be a lib. I simply can't stoop to this level of disgusting thought.

JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Apparently you cannot grasp the absurdity of your dogmatic beliefs. Use your head and think. Also, it may be that you don't really know the answer. That is OK. You are not God, and He doesn't expect you to be.

asb 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I've made Lifer's point before. ANY somatic (non-sex regular body) cell in your body, and certainly those not highly specialized, will be able to be a distinct human. It's being done with animals. The information is there and biologists' tools to focus it into a viable human is in place today. The historically natural way is still the most reliable, and requires nothing more complex than woohoo and a brave mother. Applying technology may seem demonic to the superstitious, but it is inevitable that we will speak and deal with somatic-sourced people shortly. You can make this an absolute and clear issue, but not in the real world. I wouldn't go near a late term abortion due to the medical capacity to finish out a late-term fetus, but to call a pinhead bit of tissue a baby is an emotional reach not supported by anysystem other than religion.

TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes we can clone animals. Do you know the problem with that? Do some research we are a long way from that. The animals we clone are simply the age cell wise as the animal cloned. The cells only live as long as the original animal. So the cloned animals have greatly shortened lives and they are finding that they also have many differences, such as a poor immune system, from the cloned animal even though they are genetically the same. Also, only a man would compare the life of an infant to a wart. Really.

trijenem49 6 months, 3 weeks ago

True Story, I was not referring to you. I actually agree with you, being a mother of three I also believe that life begins at conception. I had my first child when I was barely 17. I chose not to end pregnancy. However, if I were viciously raped I could not say that was an act of God, and honestly don't know if I would end the pregnancy or not. It is a CHOICE that I am thankful I was never faced with. I took birth control during my childbearing years so I could control when I had my children. My husband then had a vasectomy. Hmm, I wonder if some of these people will look down on him because he chose to prevent pregnancy.

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

This is a camp fire discussion gone wrong.

TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago

LOL, so true!

TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago

JCLifer, You don't have kids do you? And correct me if I am mistaken but you must be a man. Enough said.

JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Why do you want to know? Are you hitting on me?

TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago

LOL maybe.....not

RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago

List item

Republicans are losing the senate with this Murdock, and Akin! Keep up the good rhetoric! Rob

tonto_goldberg 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Better candidates could have won those seats for the GOP.

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Same could be said for the POTUS.

wow 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Why are these men so determined to keep make women endure being raped. These actions are neither legal or religiously right. Forget what party these "rape is ok" dolts are with. What's more important is that there are peoplw willing ot defend a posiiton that "God" allows rape to happen and has provided women the ability to defend against themselves against the sperm of the rapist...thus the ability to prevent getting pregnant as a result of the rapist. Wow...women can't get the same pay as men or choose their health care paln, but they are encouraged to accept being raped, getting pregnant by the rapist and having the baby of the rapist....ALL IN THE NAME OF MAN AND GOD. AND YOU FOLKS SAY OBAMA IS THE CRAZY MUSLIM TALIBAHN GUY?

I don't know what will happen if another person spouts off about rape being the will of God or that women can shut down the sperm of a man so she can't get pregnant. It's crazy...these fools have no problem with a womens body stopping sperm from impregnanting a women, but they don't want that same women to ask her doctor for the morning after pill or an abortion. What a COSTI!

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

"Why are these men so determined to keep make women endure being raped." = non sequitur

eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Men just need to back off and let the woman make her own decisions. They can't put themselves in our place any more than we can put ourselves in their place. If a man's wife was raped and just as a for instance the couple is white and the rapist isn't. He could be asian or black or spanish and the husbans is prejiduce but he screams that abortion is wrong and no woman should ever have it done. Could he watch his wife's belly grow knowing she was carrying the baby of someone he hates? Could he even bear to touch her? Abortion isn't all black and white. There's a huge gray area. And think of what the woman is going through. Just some food for thought.

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Give men a financial abortion choice as well. Right now when it comes to abortion women want it both ways they want men to have no say in the matter (as you just mentioned) but they also want them to have a share of the responsibility. Sorry not going to work no matter how anyone tries to justify it. By claiming support as a right and government financing of abortion you solidly place men in the abortion game.

eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I agree connor but what happens if the woman says no and the man says yes since this would be consensual sex. If no protection was used it would be a mind set of ..oh well. Get an abortion Sex is responsibility. Pregnancy is a responsibility. And I understand about the years of child support but since that's a known fact it comes down to making sure no pregnancy results. When people get to that point there won't be any problem'

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

A scenario like that would be tragic but entirely outside the prevue of law. Or at least it should be. If abortion was a pay for it yourself proposition and men were not placed in a position of being forced to support a decision they had no "opt out clause" in like women expect as their right then it becomes a personal matter. A sad one but one between that woman, that man and the Lord should they choose to bring him in to it.

If men had the same choices we wouldn't be having this discussion. Someone else might be arguing with you or discussion abortion but it wouldn't be me.

eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago

As usual I didn't make myself clear. I was talking about Mourdock, Akin and people like that.Those are the one's that need to back off.

muleman 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Then jump ahead a few years and how is he going to treat the child of someone he hates?

Paroquet 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Graceful,

No, it isn't. That is just your religious doctrine or personal belief. I'll ask again; are you opening your house to foster orphans and unwanteds, or on an adoption waiting list?

Paroquet 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Excepting in wedlock, I do believe the man should have an opt-out period for the requirement of financial support. As it is, the woman does, the man does not. And there absolutely should be a notification requirement in the instance of a pregnancy; I didn't know about my son for two years, and then had to fight for my paternal rights. A battle still ongoing as his mother has not been in compl8iance for over two years and law enforcement won't enforce the law.

I am an equal rights supporter. Equal means equal.

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Well finally something we can agree on.

muleman 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I'm not taking sides or backing any political party but I have one question. How can you be killed if you were never born?

connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Then why can you be charged with double murder for killing a pregnant woman?

Paroquet 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Connor:

Because it wasn't the woman's choice for her pregnancy, or her life, to be terminated. And, I think there's a foetal maturity requirement in the statute you fail to cite, but I could be mistaken.

Paroquet 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Graceful, One is not a child until they are capable of surviving outside of the womb. Get that through your skull. And, to be really techincal, a foetus has no Constitutional rights as it has not been born.
BTW--are you on an adoption waiting list, or opening your home to foster children? If neither, it's time for you to pray for forgiveness.

wow 6 months, 3 weeks ago

What about the women that works, pays for her own health insurance and decides to get an abortion...where does the man fit in with that...besides for being the sperm donor? Now add the fact that the women was raped...where does man have a say so...besides being the sperm donor. Add the fact that the women has health issues and cannnot carry the baby to term...where does man have a say so...besides being the perm donor? Folks no matter how ya look at it...the woman has the final say so. We're not talking about a male/female couple deciding to have a baby so the women get's pregnant and then backs out. We're talking about a women being forced to endure birthing a baby that was forced on her by some "SMUCK" who didn't have enough skills to talk the woman out of her silkies and into a sexual encounter!

Then ya add that some "DUDES" are talking this really dumb struff about women being able to shut down the rapist's sperm and the rape being the " will of God" and things get really goofy. What would happenh if it wass your mother, sister, aunt, or wife....would the same be said? God intended for your loved one to be raped and made to bear the child of her rapist/?

JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago

All good things ... for those who love Him.

spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago

"Now add the fact that the women was raped..." -- Please stop, for you do not know what you do.

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