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Today's Poll!Opinion: Romney's tax proposals
Monday, October 22, 2012
The New York Times on Mitt Romney's tax proposals, from Oct. 15, 2012:
To the annoyance of the Romney campaign, members of Washington's reality-based community have a habit of popping up to point out the many deceptions in the campaign's blue-sky promises of low taxes and instant growth. The latest is the Joint Committee on Taxation, an obscure but well-respected Congressional panel — currently evenly divided between the parties — that helps lawmakers calculate the effect of their tax plans.
Last month, the committee asked its staff what would happen if Congress repealed the biggest tax deductions and loopholes and used the new revenue to lower tax rates. The staff started adding it up: end all itemized deductions, tax capital gains and dividends as ordinary income, and tax the interest on state and local bonds, along with several other revenue-raisers.
The answer: ending all those deductions would only produce enough revenue to lower tax rates by 4 percent.
Mitt Romney says he can lower tax rates by 20 percent and pay for it by ending deductions. The joint committee's math makes it clear that that is impossible.
The analysis doesn't include every possible tax expenditure, leaving out, for example, the tax break employers get for providing health insurance. But because Romney refuses to raise capital gains taxes and wants to end the estate tax, it is hard to see how he could do much better than 4 percent.
This is why Romney has refused to say which deductions he would eliminate, just as Rep. Paul Ryan refused when asked a direct question in the debate. Specify a deduction, and some pest with a calculator will point out that it doesn't add up. ...
The Romney campaign claims it has six studies proving it can be done, but, on examination, none of the studies actually make that point, or counterbalance the nonpartisan analyses that use real math. ...
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Comments
ScottEngageAmerica 6 months, 4 weeks ago
The Romney campaign has not given specific deductions because they wish this discussion to be a bipartisan effort in which the legislative body, Congress, will be writing the actual legislature.
Moreover, Romney has given examples of how to limit deductions on high income earners, such as a cut off in the amount of tax deductions at some specific dollar amount.
Finally, Romney and Ryan both have indicate that the revenue which will help make this plan revenue neutral will come from both the ending of deductions and the increase in private sector activity that will be stimulated by the lower taxes.
tonto_goldberg 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Short history lesson, anyone?
The Romney campaign has followed the same GOP game plan that has given us the mess we are in. It's a nod and a wink, and works well in politics but not in governing. They have not given us specific deductions to be cut because there is no intention to cut any deductions.
Remember those tax cuts which were to be offset by unspecified spending cuts? The democrats bear a share in the blame since they voted for the tax cuts. It was easy at the time. Neither party could get serious about cutting spending, and both parties are petrified that the sequestrations might actually happen.
spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago
"The Romney campaign has followed the same GOP game plan that has given us the mess we are in..." -- And the donks have turned that mess into a catastrophe.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 4 weeks ago
The Democrats wished for the same, so take your Trickenometry and go sell it somewhere else! Rob
whataworld 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Hey Rob, have you been paying attention for the last 4 years as Obama has not even passed a budget for any of those years.
Obama has no clue, so trickenometry is better than nothing!
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Obama does not pass the budget? Who do you think does, Try section 8 US Constitution, it seems to work for me, so you have to pay for what you get, maybe you don't think you have gotten anything? Both of these parties deserve blame, the last 4 years have been full of nothing, but rhetoric like one term, and No! The world is still turning, and it will turn tommorrow! I was once a Republican, but not until they get their priorties in line, which will never happen until you have a house cleaning. It is down to who is going to take care of Medicare, Social Secutiy, and Health care. These two snake oil charmers are full of Trickenometry, I hope your not one of those who thinks that Medicare and Social Security are welfare? Please tell me? Rob
JCLifer 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Obama hasn't proposed a budget in two years! It is his job to propose his plan and what he wants to do. Then congress reacts to it.
A president without any executive experience might be the type to fail to do the most basic of management activities: propose a budget.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 4 weeks ago
JCLifer, 0-414 House clobbers budget proposal? 99-0 senate votes down Obamas budget proposal? Obama sends 3.8 trillion Budget, Obama sends 3.7 trillon- DEEP Cuts (2011), April 3, 2009 3.6 trillion (2010) I do not understand the meaning of suggestion of no budget! Like I said the Congress is the problem! You better take a little longer look at it? It easy just google Obama Budget! The fiscal cliff, that is on the rights watch, NO NEW TAX? WILL NOT RAISE TAXES, Boener better get his act together soon, because the end of the year is coming soon! Rob
tonto_goldberg 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Sorry, but Boehner is helpless. It's a simple problem but that doesn't make it easy to resolve. We are perched at the edge of this fiscal cliff because the Tea Party has paralyzed the GOP House majority. Boehner can not make a deal and get it to stick because he can't get enough members of his majority party to vote with him.
spelchek 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Tea Party didn't control the purse strings from 2006-2010, Pelosi and Co. did. They got every single thing they wanted passed with a guaranteed signature from the POTUS from 2008-2010. Tea Party and Bush blaming is intellectually dishonest and somewhat insulting to those paying attention.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 4 weeks ago
The only thing I find insulting is those who fail to acknowledge Bush was the biggest failure as a President ever! That includes you Spck. Rob
JCLifer 6 months, 4 weeks ago
It was such a poor attempt at a budget proposal that NO DEMOCRAT could even support it. Your guy Obama clearly is in way over his head, and he does not have the skills or ability to do his job at all.
It says a lot when Obama cannot get EVEN ONE DEMOCRAT to vote to support him.
TrueStory 6 months, 4 weeks ago
No we just print more money, Obama direct orders! They just pretend to have something to back it up as the dollar looses value. I voted today :)
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 4 weeks ago
True story, go to 30'clock stir monday july 18 2011 Go ahead, try and fix the federal budget punch it into Google! Rob
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 4 weeks ago
True story how much money do you suggest it takes to run this country? What do you think are the big ticket items in the budgets? Better yet what would you CUT out of the budget? Please tell me, I am waiting! Rob
TrueStory 6 months, 4 weeks ago
OK here goes. Lets make people get up and work, yes there are jobs but many think they are to good for them. I would work at Walmart and just keep looking for a better job. They are too good to work at Micky D's, um just say it, I'm lazy and want a desk job. There are plenty of low level jobs. I have never taken welfare and never will. I have friends that are quadriplegics and work full time. Really! I am sick of giving my taxes to someone watching TV all day. I volunteered at the food shelters and half of the people that RECIEVED food drove better cars than I had. I can tell you have never run a business Rob. You have no IDEA how much it costs. Do you know that your employer pays half of your employment taxes, you just don't see it on your pay stub. Quit taking and start working! That is all I have to say.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 4 weeks ago
I can see that True story needs to Vote republican, enough said. Rob
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
I am working to reelect Obama, I hire out of a Hall, I am on a list, I wait patiently for my next assignment! that is something you don't understand, and never will. Most of the people I see drive better cars than I have, I get up at 3.30 drive St Louis, KC, or Ft Wood. You probably saw my old Caddy with all the stickers, HOW COULD 59,054,087 PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?, that was after the 2004 election. You know what, I understand my check completely, it breaks down alot those question you asked down to the penny, like employer match for social, and medicare. I will bet you did not put that on your checks to your employees! I and the people I have worked for have contributed over $300,000 in social security, and medicare to my account! I am not willing to let a bunch of teaparty retirees continue to post and go unchecked. If by chance true story you are not retired you need to get off the computer and get back to work! You wouldn't by chance know what time Rush comes on would you? REELECT OBAMA 2012! Rob
TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago
You know I have NEVER listened to Rush. I think my own thoughts. I do work. I run a bunch of businesses. I see chance to improve my life everywhere. I have already voted and I did vote for both parties in this election. I vote for the best person to drive this country forward and I am an independent. I refuse to follow the latest trend and I like to use my brain and try to do better everyday. I have worked and contributed over a million to SS and medicare and I do not think I deserve less services because I worked hard and contributed more. I work harder to do better and make more for my family to live a better life. I was born dirt poor by the way. I made what I have and I am proud of it. I do not want to give it away to who my government thinks deserves it, I want to decide who I give things to, and I am generous to those in need. I think you had better change your attitude because I don't like to be pegged and I do not belong to any party!
spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago
"I am working to reelect Obama" -- Oh, the irony.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
You must be one of those 59,054,087 the British were refering to? Rob
MO4LIFE 6 months, 3 weeks ago
thanks to people like you. That don't have a clue and live in the FRightworld and not the real world.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 4 weeks ago
JC LIfer,Has President Obama not proposed a budget? It is up to the congress to figure it out, so they came up with this bipartisan support, and voted it in, and this is the latest deal which involves the fiscal cliff? Like I said Boener better get his HOUSE in ORDER! That means the Tea Party memebers who pledge to GROVER NORQUIST, NO NEW TAXES! Again all Obama does is say this is what we need, then they should go to work, something none of them no the first thing about! Go try to figure out the budget, I tried to cut it like I wanted, and could not even get close? Tried to like a good Republican, starved folks, and cut their health out of it , and still could not get it done? It is called you have to pay for what you get, and Medicare, Social Security, and Health care are my High Priorities. What are yours? I am not rich, I have worked construction all my life, tried to do things right, just like alot of posters on this page have, but will not go down without a fight so expect more out of me soon! Rob
TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago
I want to know why you think the spendaholic Obama should put our country in so much debt? Do you want China to own everything we have? Your medicare, SS and healthcare are going down the tubes do to Obama and Nancy, lets pass this healthcare bill and read later, Pelosi. They are doing you no favors, it will all dry up.
Sequoia 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Obama is not a big spender. He's actually one of the most fiscally conservative presidents in modern history. Growth in per capita government spending is lower under Obama than almost any president since Nixon. Can you guess who is the lowest? Clinton!
Don't buy the lie. Don't be a sucker.
Read for yourself. Don't let a talk show host do your thinking for you!
theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/obama-most-fiscally-conservative-president-in-modern-history/254658/
TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago
You are silly. the debt is going up by the hour. Open your eyes.
JCLifer 6 months, 3 weeks ago
"Obama is not a bug spender"??? Are you smoking crack?
connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago
I have to face palm and chuckle every time she tries that "Obama is a Conservative" thing anymore. Just like most libs you can blow their lies full of holes and they just keep coming back. Makes for a target rich environment though.
Sequoia 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Don't call me names. Look at the chart and article I linked to. Read it.
Why don't you deal with it? Why don't you challenge the article with some actual facts?
You can't. All the conservative movement can do these days is call names. Why don't you actually "blow my lies full of holes," instead of just saying that you could if you wanted to? Because you can't!
The conservative movement has abandoned conservative principles. Many Democrats, especially Obama, have embraced conservative principles. All the conservative movement has now is manufactured narrative sold on Fox and talk shows to suckers like y'all. Faced with facts outside the narrative, you crumble into a defensive posture. Libs. Silly. Smoking crack. Not even funny insults, and I'm owning you on the facts, just like Obama is owning Romney on the facts.
And the voters know it.
You can't do anything but call names.
Quit sniffing your hand and respond to the article, if you've got the chops.
Sequoia 6 months, 3 weeks ago
More great reporting about lies from the Republicans about the debt.
Didn't you ever think it was interesting that Bush was the one who blew the huge hole in the deficit, and Republicans didn't say squat about it until Obama came into office?
Ever wonder why Romney's tax plan will make the deficit worse, not better?
Then read some nice reporting from the Atlantic Monthly here (an actual 150-year-old magazine, not some partisan blog) about how CEOs actually need the debt.
You think Republicans are going to do anything about the debt? Sucker!
theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/the-dirty-secret-of-debt-hating-ceos-they-need-big-deficits-to-live/264099/
spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago
" He's actually one of the most fiscally conservative presidents in modern history." -- "After just one year of the Obama spending binge, federal spending had already rocketed to 25.2% of GDP, the highest in American history except for World War II. That compares to 20.8% in 2008, and an average of 19.6% during Bush’s two terms." Go pound sand.
connor 6 months, 4 weeks ago
The Budget can be balanced easily. All you have to do is get the government out of the areas it was never suppose to be in. What you want government to do it cannot ever do. There isn't enough money even if you take everything from those you label as "the Rich" it is quite frankly impossible.
Go down anyway you want it won't change a thing except in the end you will be down with a whole lot more company. The kind of cradle to grave government nanny state you desire is impossible on such a large scale as the U.S. It maybe possible in very certain conditions if the resources available to a small country are just right but even then in a complete dog eat dog world a state that small would need external protection.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 4 weeks ago
What is the first thing we cut? Rob
connor 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Education
tonto_goldberg 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Great plan. Dumber people make less money. That will fix things, uh-huh.
connor 6 months, 4 weeks ago
So you think the government is getting anywhere near the amount of money back from each individual that it is pumping in now? If so you are delusional.
tonto_goldberg 6 months, 4 weeks ago
It's not personal and it's not about individuals. The economy will grow smaller as more and more dumber people make less and less money. That's how things work.
JCLifer 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Tonto nailed it.
connor 6 months, 4 weeks ago
No we would have less saturation of liberal arts degrees and not nearly so many under employed individuals in the work force with advanced degrees that don't get used and defaulted student loans. Plus save ourselves almost half a trillion dollars a year to boot.
JCLifer 6 months, 4 weeks ago
You make a good point! I never understood why we have all the liberal arts degrees at public universities. Seems the government would rather only support degrees that can get people working and paying taxes.
tonto_goldberg 6 months, 4 weeks ago
We need liberal arts graduates. Who else will serve us our $8.00 cup of coffee at Starbucks?
spelchek 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Your comment assumes "dumber" students aren't being produced by public education already. The more money we throw at education, the more it seems to under perform. That seems to be fixing things, uh-huh.
earlsmusic 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Rofl. I never would have guessed at your answer after reading your original post. Go figure, right?
connor 6 months, 4 weeks ago
I don't know why you wouldn't Em. He asked what the first thing I would cut from the federal budget. Cut federal education spending to include the department of education and we save quite a bit from the federal budget but the States and local government would still support it at the level it should be supported from.
After that we see what we have to work with.
connor 6 months, 4 weeks ago
So I ran some numbers from the 2012 spending. We are looking at a deficit of 1.3 trillion. Removing Federal Educational spending would get us about .4 trillion overall. The actual breakdown places education spending at .2 trillion but the DoE and Loan payments are not counted in that but under general. There is also an amount in discretionary spending that is not broke out as well and some programs that got to education through other departments. I estimate the total savings at .4 trillion as I said.
That leaves us another .9 trillion in cuts we need to make spread out between defense, pensions, healthcare and welfare.
I pick on education first because as I mentioned it will still be funded with State and local revenue and does not immediately put anyone at risk or make them go hungry and manages to net us almost 30% of our balanced budget goal.
jpfelix 6 months, 4 weeks ago
The states can't fund education adequately. They can't come up with funds with Fed help! Are you suggesting we go back to one room schools to bring the budget down?
JCLifer 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Cut the US Department of Agriculture. They are the largest federal agency in # employees and office space 2/ft. We are not an agrarian society anymore- why does the Department of Ag need to be so huge? Does every farmer have his own USDA employee representing him?
dokeus6 6 months, 4 weeks ago
I agree with you lifer. Let's cut the subsidies for farmers who use these subsides to buy new farm implements every year. They use the subsidies to compensate their income when they try to plant crops and they get flooded or hail destroys acreage of their crop.
Following connor's logic from above about less educated people making the economy better, less food would make the citizens of this country less obese, more healthy and cut down our medical costs due to the their chronic health issues from feeding their faces with carbohydrates from grain.
dokeus6 6 months, 4 weeks ago
I suppose you are talking about higher education Connor? I sure hope so.
Why would you not want to have the resources available to educate the children that are going to be running the country years from now? It is our job as citizens of this country to make sure that we provide our children with a education. Not just the rich kids whose parents can afford to send them to school. Every individual is guaranteed that. A chance, it is up to that individual how they use that chance. Every individual has a right to liberty and you are wanting to snuff that chance out before the children even have a chance to exercise their rights given to us but I guess that's okay you got your chance and that's all that matters right?
JCLifer 6 months, 4 weeks ago
I think the problem is that we are spending trillions of tax dollars on education and not getting much out of it. Many high school graduates cannot read on even a 3rd grade level. Many cannot write. Industry is always complaining that they have no critical thinking or problem-solving skills. Missouri's Math scores are horrifically low. Communication Arts scores are pretty pathetic too.
Instead of spending all that tax dollars for all the fluff programs like literature, art, social studies, drama, music, band, sports, Health and PE (kids are still obese even with Health and PE), etc. How about focusing on the basics and making sure students do not advance to the next grade or graduate until they master the basics. They can learn all the other BS in college if they want.
Public colleges and Universities should only have degrees that provide workforce development. Do not waste our tax dollars on fluff at public Universities. Kids who want that non-employable BS can go to a private college.
The money wasted on sports programs at both high school and collegiate levle is a huge source of cuts that wouldn't hurt anyone.
MO4LIFE 6 months, 3 weeks ago
where are you getting these lies from. I would have to see where this "Many high school graduates cannot read on even a 3rd grade level. Many cannot write." What type of Fright WingCrack you been smoking because the dropout rates and college admissions have gone up. But hey I guess the KoolAid is goof if you wanna drink it.
TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Really you guys are hilarious! The USDA does not give money to farmers, they just get enough money to pay for the employees salaries. They let you apply for programs to tell you that they have no money. They sit in their happy offices and sleep all day. Education, well just want to say that they are looking at cutting the special education programs. I guess that those kids will be dropping out of school. Defense, so we stop funding it until we get attacked and then have to spend twice as much to build it back up. How about we just get people off of welfare. Lets get birthcontrol out there. Lets work on parenting and learning how achievements can make you feel so much better than eating cheetos all day. How about we encourage personal pride through accomplishment and work. All of these things start as students from kindergarden up. Lets ask insurance companies to actually pay for healthcare instead of trips to the bahamas and mansions for guys with high school educations that get to tell our doctors which labs they can test, what drugs we can have and what surgery is neccessary. If they pay the actaul costs instead of a percentage of the bill from our Docs and hospitals the actual amount billed for services would go down. TRUESTORY!
connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Actually the USDA or DoAg or some department out there gives out alot of money. To anyone of color who even thought about farming. Or even knew someone who thought about farming.... Or even saw a farm once. It's called the Pigford case.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
true story, If those Convicts busted rocks all day! I have worked in population in every prison in Central Missouri, Education we cannot get anywhere without an education! How do you feel about the new acadamey style high school? That will be the 3 Rs! Defense, GO NUCLEAR its cheaper with a BIG IMPACT! Lets get that birthcontrol out there, and wrap that rascal too! It is alot better than abortion! We all have to meet our maker! How do we fund that through planned Parenthood, or insurance until your 26? Jobs would get people off Welfare, how about a jobs bill that gets passed! No I am not applying to Micky ds, I did go from $21 an hr down to $7 at Capital Machine years ago, and I pulled myself back up by my boot straps. How about we go back to the basics on Food Stamps, no Coke a Cola, or Cheetos. I buy my meat out of the discount rack at Gerbes? I am tired of insurance too! I have $500.00 Blood tests twice a year? Medicare: I deal with my mother on a daily basis, duplication, multiple tests, bills, and supplemental insurance. When I have posted on this before, some on those on these pages have indicated, maybe I should push her off to the die room? They are not Democrats by their posts! That will come quick enough for all of us! Personal Pride comes through family participation, education, through work ethic, whether your an employee or an owner, church, charity, and at the end! You should think about being a Democrat, Maybe I should think about being a Republican! Most of us are way to close to the center! Romney /Ryan do not have us in their plan, they do have the insurance people in mind with RYANs VOUCHER program! Rob
eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Agree with everything except you becoming a republican. That's as likely as me running a marathon. "Ain't gonna happen".
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
I would go to who ever was going to fix the problem, right now that is the Democrats! I am not willing to give the Republicans a chance at this point, I do vote Republican at the state level now an then, for certain people, even though I do not agree with everything they endorse, but Akin won't be on my ticket! Rob
TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago
If you read my posts on the Academy schools you will understand. I grew up in a giant school system. I was one of the forgotten average students. They get lost in this system. I could have done better. I was appethetic. Hated school. I had 1 teacher that took an interest in me my senior year and it made my whole life change. I too have had experience in many areas in life. I am no better or worse than anyone else. I would rather talk to the janitor than the CEO, they know more. I just think that the kids today are feeling like squirrels in a machine. We need them to get back to being human and celebrated for what they can be! I have to go through 5 employees or more each time one moves on to find one that really wants to work. They say to me why work that hard I can just go on welfare and I make as much and have tons of free time. They want to retire at 18.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Over 800 kids in my class at Parkway class of 75, You are not the only one who felt left behind. The new math made it a struggle for myself! My typing skills have improved recently! Rob
TrueStory 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Practice, Practice, Practice! LOL
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
You know spending all that time at that machine shop helped me understand Math, $21 per hr to 7 per hr! That little lesson in ecocnomy helped me understand that Republicans do not CARE! Rob
hd2000flht 6 months, 3 weeks ago
The USDA gives a lot of money to farmers. Check out the farm subsidy records here: farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=00000
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
True story, Google Hartzler/Sawyer (HARTZLER SQUIRMS) she and her husband have taken more than $775,000 in Farm aid for the family farm? " How about we get people off of welfare!" You know her husband when she became a congresswoman owned 3 Case dealerships You know it starts way back in kindergarden or before with these entitled people, I worked for everything I have ever got, I'll take that back when I was stuck in Lewistown, Idaho. and I was hungry! A couple bought #2 7.5 cent glazed donuts, and I have never forgotten that, and I have helped wherever I have been since! Rob
eileen10 6 months, 3 weeks ago
I think all my arteries just burst! I did better when I didn't know anything. Ignorance can be bliss.
spelchek 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Meanwhile, back in DC where we already have a sitting President, nothing is being done to fix the fiscal cliff approaching next year and our nations credit rating could be lowered again. Speculate all you want whether Romney's policies will work tomorrow. Doesn't change that the current administration has zero clue on how to run a economy and has proven itself contemptuous handling foreign policy in the Middle East. Thank God Nov. 6th is almost here, our country can't handle four more years of Bush.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Spck, you are outspoke on alot of subjects, why won't you touch on old V Hartzler, or whether MC or SS are a welfare free give me? Rob
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Non Sequitar, meanwhile back in DC we have a Republican House, who has refused to do anything, but hone their skills at the Fillibuster, and at saying NO! That came from a direct impact of loss of control by Boener to rein in his newly elected Rouge Tea Party Memebers! All 90 of the G NORQUIST KLAN. No spck needed on whether Romneys policies will be right we only have to look back 4 years right before OBAMA was sworn in to to tell they don't, and will not! The way I look at the mid east is the event that unfolded in Libya was over, as fast as it began? There was no target unless you were one on one, and there was a problem with how many one on ones were available after their positions were over run! I have not heard of any losses, except our own Heros! So I guess the enemy removed their dead? I am thankful that Nov 6 2012 is coming soon, because maybe we can get onto running this country instead of the whine of abortion , and Guns. There is a lot more to this than these two issues which the right seems to be overwelmed with thought of. Rob VOTE FOR OBAMA 2012
Paroquet 6 months, 3 weeks ago
No Grace. The (R) dominated House has set a new record for filibusters, ensuring Obama could accomplish as little as possible. It's kinda hard to demonstrate that your policies are effective when the other guy won't even let you try. The (R) side of the House ensured NOTHING could get done. You cannot fail if you are not allowed to try.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
The fillibusters are on the last 2 years of republicans! Rob
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
How about all those Rebuplicans with their noses cut off to spite themselves! "The House does not have the Fillibuster" ? We are discussing the last 2 years at the moment, and if the princess would open her eyes now and come back from her fantasy? The fillibuster has been alive and well in the US Congress for the past 2 years! I have plenty of SENSE, and I VOTE! VOTE FOR OBAMA IN 2012! Rob
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Grace the Fillibuster says it all, if you want to complain, do it at the House everything originates from the House! How about that Vickie Hartzler and her farm aid? Thats alot more than a handlful of Food stamps. That Grace is a full handful of GREED. Rob
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Grace, Section 7, The US Constitution. " All Bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of represenitives; but the Senate may propose or concur with admendments as on other Bills," Grace that is good plain old English, it is not hard to understand, the President , nor the Senate starts the process? How can you continue to blame the Senate, or others the President? I just do not understand how the Right fomulates this opinion? Rob
connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago
The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 clearly states that the Federal Budget is initiated by the Office of the President in February except in election years. The next step is then a Budget Resolution which is where the last few budgets have failed because neither the Democrats nor the Republicans will give generally. Obama missed the deadline at least once I believe.
I have not blamed Obama for the lack of a budget but it isn't the Republican lead House's fault either. The resolution process also involves the Senate. The Budget has many areas where it can break down and the PayGo rule (Both House and Senate) allows even an individual Congressman or Senator to hold it up which both Houses have internal PAygo rules these days.
Bottom line Blame who ever you like but the spending numbers have finally reached a level that a budget cannot be PASSED unless other legislation is violated. It is that simple.
connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago
I should also add that in my opinion the Congressional Budget Act is Non-Constitutional and the entire Budget should originate in the House and the other branches should then have to live with it which is the way it was intended. Federal over reach is why we are in this mess but that bit of non-Constitutional legislation also places the burden of submitting a reasonable budget on the Executive branch which again in my opinion Obama didn't do.
Oh and the Obama administration missed the deadline on all but one budget proposals I was wrong in saying he missed only one. He only made one on time.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Conner and Grace, This is what I found on the subject: " Title X of the law. also known as the Impoundment act of 1974," (not the budget act?) " specifies that the President may (MAY?)propose to congress that funds be rescinded. If both the Senate and the House of Represenitives have not approved a recission proposal within 45 days of continuous session, any funds being withheld must be made available for obligation. Congress is not required to vote on such a proposal, and has ignored most presidential request." CONGRESS IS NOT REQUIRED TO VOTE ON SUCH A PROPOSAL AND HAS IGNORED MOST PRESIDENTIAL REQUESTS. AGAIN I HAVE TO ASK WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS CONGRESSES RESPONCIBILITY? OBAMA WILL BE PRESIDENT ELECT ON 11/7 2012! ROB
connor 6 months, 3 weeks ago
None of that has any real bearing on the Congressional Budget Act or how the budget is actually approved. Apples and oranges really.
RobHunterJohnson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Princess, all bills do not originate from the US SENATE! They Originate from the US House! I had to go back and check my Tea Party manuel, sorry I meant to say Our US Constitution! Rob VOTE OBAMA/McCASKILL IN 2012
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