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JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — Missouri lawmakers are trying again to require voters to show photo identification at the polls.
House members Tuesday gave first-round approval to the photo-ID requirement by a 104-54 vote. The measure needs another vote before moving to the Senate.
Supporters contend a requirement to show a photo ID before voting would help prevent election fraud. Opponents argue there are no recent known instances of voter fraud. They say the legislation could make voting harder for many, including seniors and the disabled.
The Missouri Supreme Court ruled that a 2006 photo ID law was unconstitutional.
Legislators last year approved a constitutional amendment designed to require a photo ID and then passed separate legislation to implement the requirement. That legislation was vetoed by Gov. Jay Nixon.
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Photo Voter ID is HB1104
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Legislature: http://www.moga.mo.gov
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hkchas 3 months, 2 weeks ago
What voter fraud ?
Graceful 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Again I'll ask you: if there is no voter fraud why is there fraudulent voter registration?
tonto_goldberg 3 months, 2 weeks ago
You could do a little research instead of making these wildly amusing charges. Section 115.133 RSMO is the basis. The whole chapter would be good reading for someone who knows nothing about the process.
Fraudulent voter registration is just as much a phony crisis as voter fraud. Organizations gather names to submit to an election authority which screens them for eligibility before they are ever added to the registration lists. The election authorities have bipartisan staff. So even if someone turns in several hundred pages of fake prospective voters, they won't get registered and they won't get to vote.
Graceful 3 months, 2 weeks ago
First, I made no wild charges. However, your response is a wild left wing knee jerk reaction. Yand spoken like someone that actually supports the fraud. Maybe you should do some research on all of the CONVICTIONS of fraudulent voter registration? It happens. Much of it is done by allies of the democrat party. These are PROVEN facts. And if you think there has not been success in getting fraudulent voter registration through then you are worse than naive. It does succeed and that is why they keep doing it.
tonto_goldberg 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Not wild? OK then, careless. I looked at the Republican lawyers report. It's kind of a loose collection of court cases intended to "prove" there is voter fraud, Most of the cases did not involve actual voting, and most would not be resolved with better iD requirements. A lot of the vote fraud cases listed by the Republican lawyers were actually registration fraud charges.
Florida had a lot of cases of non-citizen voting. Those would be Cubans with good fake ID's voting GOP. This was after the 2000-election era voter roll purges.
Indiana had a problem with people voting in the wrong precinct. Kentucky had a bipartisan vote-buying problem. Would better ID's fix that? I doubt it.
Missouri had several cases of voter registration fraud, but only one (one!) case of vote fraud. We had four double-voting cases and two cases of voter intimidation (not permitting voting). How would ID's help with that?
New Jersey had a lof of so-called vote fraud but it was fake absentee votes and ballot box stuffing. ID's aren't going to help there either.
Wisconsin had a lot of voter registration fraud convictions, and a lot of them involved ACORN. None of them resulted in actual fradulent registrations or fraudulent votes. ACORN was properly busted for submitting fraudulent lists of prospective voters, The election officials turned them in. That's what the election officials are supposed to do.
So - enough hype. Do you have any real examples of significant vote fraud?
Graceful 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Withou a vote ID requirment it is diffivult to find voter fraud. Voter ID would help prevent both absentee voting fraud and ballot box stuffing.v There is no good logical, valid or legal reason to be against voter ID
tonto_goldberg 3 months, 2 weeks ago
There are plenty of ways to identify people if there was criminal activity. So your answer is no, and that legislation is all hype and posturing.
wow 3 months, 2 weeks ago
If voter fraud is such an issue why isn't lt an issue during the Republican Primary stuff that's been going on for some time now? Oddly enough there has not been one mention of the mandatory "Voter ID"....why is that?
Although I agree a person should show an photo ID at the polls. But nobody should have to provide a special voter ID. A current DL, Student ID, Military ID, or other state ID is more than acceptable in order to exercise one's right to vote.
The right to vote shall not be denied...no where does it say you can cast your ballot only after you provide a Specialized Voter ID.
Graceful 3 months, 2 weeks ago
As I told you before, the issue belongs at state legislatures. If you ask the republican candidates most will support it. No right to vote is denied by requiring an ID. It does however provide a safe guard and provides some confidence that the system works. Only those that support fraud oppose the basic concep of voter ID.
hkchas 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Because Republican legislatures want to stop Democrats from voting, NOT stop voter fraud ...
foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/05/voter-fraud-verdict-travesty-says-convicted-indiana-secretary-state/
wyriontair 3 months, 2 weeks ago
When you go to vote, you have to show your voter registration card now and sign in. I personally don't feel there is anything wrong with having to show a photo ID, it would make me feel more confident in the system. You have to show photo ID to get into the hospital, cash a check or anything else nowadays, it does not prevent you from voting, and no one is denied the right to vote. I still consider voter registration fraud-voter fraud. There were many voter registration forms turned over to the Feds in 2008 from northeast MO and a conviction in St. Louis. For Dems to continue to claim that it hurts minorities, the elderly and disabled is bogus
lovemykids 3 months, 2 weeks ago
I always lose my yellow voter card. It's awful and I know I should keep track of it, but I don't. I have always had the option of going to the polling place and showing my id. They used to look you up in some book, but now they scan the back of the id, and then you sign this little electronic tablet. Really easy. No harder than the grocery store.
viktorkowski 3 months, 2 weeks ago
I think we should take a hard look at what happened in Wisconsin and Tennessee. Both had ID requirements established that were quickly abused by the local authorities to keep minorities and those in lower income areas from voting. In wisconsin the first thing there they did after passing this was to close a number of fee offices within a area of minorities. In tennessee there were a number of complaints of poorer people showing up to fee offices who couldn't afford the state ID and the people from these offices were told not to inform them the state would give them one for free. This is a attempt to squash those from who most likely not to vote republican from voting.
wyriontair 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Wisconsin didn't have laws that required you to register prior to voting, it wasn't until after they found out that people, who really had to interest in voting, were being given goods to go in and vote for a certain candidate or party that things were changed, it had nothing to do with minorities. I will have to look up your complaint about Tennessee, however, it is the RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PERSON VOTING TO FIND OUT WHERE, WHEN, HOW TO VOTE, IF THEY NEED AN ID AND WHERE TO GET ONE. The COURTHOUSES IN EVERY COUNTY HAS ALL THAT INFORMATION. NO ONE is DENIED the RIGHT TO VOTE, if you have no ID or have not registered, elections officials will allow you a ballot and then check to see if you are legally able to vote.
asb 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Voter ID requirements, in particular asking voters to pay for a voter specific ID, are essentially poll taxes. There are ample systems in place right now that are properly funded, if not staffed. It is so ironic that the party of "we can't afford more government waste" wants to waste money doing this. You can spin it all you want, but studies and the demographics of who wants it and who doesn't tells anybody with a cat's brain that this will skew votes toward higher income, whiter, and younger, voters. So blah blah all you want about fraud, this is a greater fraud than any that can be documented in Missouri. It should be defeated.
JCLifer 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Crazy.
Just show your driver's license or state ID with a picture to verify you are who you say you are. Nothing more, nothing less.
People who are afraid to be accountable usually are hiding something.
viktorkowski 3 months, 1 week ago
really? our legislators have a chance to redeem themselves and do something useful this year. perhaps something to improve the economic situation in the state. Yet they choose to target minorities and the poor. This is just a repeat of last year. when can we vote these children out and bring in some adults to represent the state
hkchas 3 months, 1 week ago
It's a " jobs bill."
wow 3 months, 1 week ago
The mere FACT that there are people alive today who lived through the days of Jim Crow and Poll Taxes is reason enough to say know to this Special ID requirement. Yes these people now freely exercise their right to vote, yet I surely understand why they don't trust the system and also see this Voter ID deal as a return to the days of being denied their basic American right. These people don't see a reason why they should have to get a "special voter identifcation card" which has to be presented before they can vote. Also I don't think people are so much against showing an ID Card. I think it has more to do with the irrational reason being provided to justify this move. Because in reality, none of it makes much sense at all and to be honest...I too don't trust the sytem or the people pushing for this requirement. I also don't see why a person has to show that Yellow Voter Registration Card and a Special Voter's ID. The yellow card proves nothing, except you have a yellow card. As for the Special ID...why can't I continue to show my military/government/student ID? All were issud by the very government I'm choosing people to run!
Voter fraud....what a joke. The last person associated with that scheme was.....oh yeah some Republican out of, I believe Indiana. Again he's part of the untrust worthy system and proof positive that it isn't the local voter's who are a problem, it's the elected officials we need to look out for. In short I say NO to the Special Voter ID, it's uneccessary and until proven otherwise...a means which will lead us backwards instead of forward.
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