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Today's Poll!Smoking ban takes effect Monday
Patrons at Mortimer Kegley’s in downtown Jefferson City enjoyed their last Saturday night with a Smoke ’Em If You Got ’Em Party. Photo by Stephen Brooks.
Sunday, January 30, 2011
Jefferson City businesses will be smoke-free starting Monday.
Like a similar ordinance in Fulton, Jefferson City’s ordinance is 100 percent complaint-driven, said Nathan Nickolaus, city attorney.
Nickolaus outlined some of the ordinance’s ins and outs for the News Tribune, including where smoking is allowed, smoking in vehicles, electronic cigarettes, and enforcement.
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wcywing 2 years, 3 months ago
Complaint driven? this is scary, what if someone make a bogus complaint? most of the links to the other stories don't work, ie "Police chief again outlines enforcement of indoor smoking ban" what are the ins and outs about the ban?
rodinman 2 years, 3 months ago
From a song by Queen, "Another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust." In this instance, "another one" is analogous to "individual right".
AntonBerlin 2 years, 3 months ago
Congratulations Jefferson City - some 40 years after it was determined that smoking and 2nd hand smoke causes cancer and some 20 years after California and other progressive states legislated smoking bans Jef City has entered the 20th century with this bold new plan.
Welcome to the modern world - some decades later.
Rodinman - it isn't an individual civil right to cause health consequences to other 'free' people any more than it's the right of a corporation to pollute the air and water which we all share.
Wcywing - complaint driven? You're worried about burden of proof when 99% of people have cameras on their cell phones. Here officer - there's your proof this selfish clown was smoking - see he's in the same flannel shirt and that's his baseball cap on backwards. Easy heh?
wcywing 2 years, 3 months ago
oh really, lets say you have a business, someone and a friend smokes, takes a pic and then your business gets fined? of course the face will be concealed. btw the Nazi's were the first to have smoking bans, how progressive is that? let the business choose, that is true liberalism.
Mr_Grimm 2 years, 3 months ago
WOW! your a joke. whether you smoke or not the choice should have never been taken away from the BUSINESS OWNER!! if it is a small business than none of us should be able to tell them how to run it!! I hope the business owners fight this and get it over turned.
wcywing 2 years, 3 months ago
i think most of the small busineses were against the ban, now it will be an uphill battle to overturn it. stuff like this makes people hesitant about starting a small business.
the guy mentions Cali, which suffering from a large budget shortfall.
JCLifer 2 years, 3 months ago
Uh, last time I looked on the map, St. Charles was not in St. Louis...
Mr_Grimm 2 years, 3 months ago
nice way to defer his point. thing is freedoms were removed from the hands of owners. i dont see why local owners would be pro or con to it as they ALWAYS had the right to choose what their establishment was. Now that has been taken away. Far as I'm concerned this is another perfect example of how America is moving further and further from the great country we once were. I'll teach my kids to pray whenever and where ever they please, school or not! I don't want a country that takes after california, that state is an embarrassment.
JCLifer 2 years, 3 months ago
Gotta do something to teach 'em some manners. The degradation of society is upon us for sure.
Gotigers 2 years, 3 months ago
Your reference to California and other progressive states only makes me ask the question, "isn't California the most bankrupt state in the nation?
I am a non-smoker, I am free to choose where I dine or enjoy a beverage. If I don't like smoke then I don't go. Since when does the government have the right to tell a private business person whether they can allow a LEGAL product in their establishment? The key word is LEGAL. If cigarettes were outlawed then I would understand. What will be the next thing to go? Cheeseburgers? After all, they are high in fat and not good for you.
wcywing 2 years, 1 month ago
he is a non-smoker, can you read?
tforc22 2 years, 3 months ago
How much sense does it make to make it illegal to use a legal product? If we are going to outlaw things that are unhealthy or dangerous to others' well being, how about we ban drinking in public places? Someone can go to a restaurant, sit at a bar and get drunk, then hop in their car and leave and kill someone, or even a whole family! Is that fair? Or how about the parents that teach their kids bad eating habits, you know, the family who is all overweight and goes to a restaurant and orders a three coarse meal? Lets make it illegal for them to order anything over 300 calories because they are putting their lives and their children's lives at risk. Hell, take away their children! That's what the smoking ban is about, right? Protecting innocent people's safety and health?
JCLifer 2 years, 3 months ago
Let the WHINING by the addicts begin!
tforc22 2 years, 3 months ago
Not everyone complaining about the ban is a smoking addict, I've never in my life touched a cigarette. I'm not a whiner either, I just assumed since growing up in a history & american-citizen-driven country I would never have to worry about my freedoms and rights being taken away. What will our kids be allowed to legally do or possess when they are adults? Is it also possible that some of the people who voted for the smoking ban are people who believe God should be allowed in school? Back in the good ole' days God was allowed everywhere without question! Well so was smoking! You can't be a hypocrite and say that God has always been allowed in school when smoking used to be allowed everywhere also. We can't pick and choose the rights we are given, but constantly asking the government to step in and prohibit things is eventually going to end something you feel strongly about. Instead of using your voters rights to end others' personal freedoms, exercise your own right to choose. If people keep voting away our rights, eventually those voters will lose their rights as well. I don't smoke, therefore I hate the smell and don't go places with smoke, but I do like having freedom and choices, so I think I can put up with eating at one of the already smoke-free establishments in order to show the government that not everyone's stupid enough to vote away the American dream.
rodinman 2 years, 3 months ago
I'm a non-smoker. However, I strongly feel that business owners should have the final say in allowing or prohibiting legal activities within their business. AntonBerlin, if you don't like smoke then rather than banning it you could have avoided those establishments and worked with the owners in attempting a change.
MK 2 years, 3 months ago
I don't smoke and am against the ban. If a place was too smokey for me, I would do my business somewhere else. Its no big deal because we are free to choose where we want to conduct our private business.
I lived in Montgomery County Maryland for a short while and they passed a law there such that if you smoke inside your own home and a neighbor makes a complaint, police would show up and write you a ticket for it. The law didn't last very long but it does demonstrate how far your local government may try to go in controlling your private legitimate behavior once you let them get used to pushing you around and manipulating you like you are their own cattle.
midmogy 2 years, 3 months ago
Another freedom gone. I wonder how all the supporters of this will feel when they have their Big Macs and soda taken away.
twinntoo 2 years, 3 months ago
,...."but constantly asking the government to step in and prohibit things is eventually going to end something you feel strongly about."
Well said. And something maybe we should all be concerned about. When they come for your junk food and Pepsi ...and pizza....and bacon....and beer.....and chocolate...
newone 2 years, 3 months ago
SWEET!!! :-)
jeffcitygirl 2 years, 3 months ago
I still can't figure out why they put bars and restaurants always in these bans together. Why not ban in restaurants where kids who have no choice are patrons, but left the bars alone? No one has yet been able to answer this question...
sumtimesiwunder 2 years, 3 months ago
Bars can have children in them until 9pm or whatever the policy is for the bar/pub. They HAVE to be included. Duh.....
JCLifer 2 years, 3 months ago
i can't figure out why smokers just can't be considerate and not smoke inside or around other people. The government would not have to step in if smokers had common courtesy and manners.
Festus_Hagen 2 years, 3 months ago
I hear ya ... it's the fact that they don't care. Sure, I can turn around and leave if I see people smoking, but what about when they are done eating THEN fire up... while I'M STILL EATING? Plain disrespectful. They think it's OK and doesn't bother anyone. Guess what? IT DOES !
wcywing 2 years, 3 months ago
gee, if a place allowed smoking, don't go there. there were many busineses that did not allow smoking, some had smoking sections, etc. what about people's businesses that were affected by this vote. do the non-smokers care about that? we shall see how it affects the small business in JC.
of course following the Nazi's anti-smoking propaganda is scary by itself.
wcywing 2 years, 3 months ago
a quote from paddymalonespub back in Nov when the ban was passed: "With all that being said, I still believe that telling a business owner that he must now work under a new set of rules, when he invested in this community under a previous set of rules, is not fair play. I ask you this; what if it was your business or livelihood? Would you want the government or the voters telling you that you had to change when you had established your business under a certain pretense? What is particularly surprising to me is that this constituency regularly supports political candidates who expound the virtues of free enterprise and less government regulation. Yet, in the case of the smoking ban, the voters supported a measure which restricts free enterprise and requires more government intervention. I have said many times, most people will gladly sacrifice the individual rights of others just so long as their own rights are not interfered with. This is blatant hypocrisy. But I don't know why I am surprised. Our government was not founded upon individual liberty for all; it was founded upon "liberty for the majority". If you don't believe me, just ask any Osage Indian."
original artilce is at: w w w.newstribune.com/news/2010/nov/03/smoking-bans-approved-jefferson-city-fulton/
twinntoo 2 years, 3 months ago
It is a fact that before the ban..both smokers and non-smokers had a selection of bars to visit in this town where they could enjoy themselves in whatever way they chose. (i.e.smoking/smoke-free) Now, after the ban...sadly, only the non-smokers have those choices. Maybe we should have some balance in our personal choices, hmm?
newone 2 years, 3 months ago
I would like to request that the News Tribune please do a story on all of the places that shut down in Jefferson CIty due to this smoking ban, I would be very interested in seeing how many actually shut down, my guess will be less than zero!!! Smokers just need to deal with it, you know that if this vote would have went the other way and the non smokers were on here complaining the smokers would tell us to shut up and deal with it so please just accept the fact that no one wants your nasty smoke in our lungs and move on please! Thank You!
wcywing 2 years, 3 months ago
it would be interesting how it affects business. especially after lets say 6 months. stuff like this makes people hesitant to start a business. who knows what law will show up and change everything.
JCLifer 2 years, 3 months ago
Good luck overturning the law. It will never happen. Smokers had years and years of warnings not to smoke around others, and they blew it.
Why not just quit smoking? No one has ever found anything good about smoking. It is a filthy disgusting habit that offends others. There is nothing positive or good about smoking, so just QUIT.
wcywing 2 years, 1 month ago
how do you know it will never happen? prohibition was repealed when it was found out how stupid it is. should people quit, probably. USA used to be a free country, now JC voted to be a police state. why not let the business CHOOSE how to run their business, or are you against individual property rights?
wcywing 2 years, 1 month ago
name call all you want, but you have no respect for individual property rights, busines rights, etc. what if the will of people voted to eat brocoli 3 times a day? what you don't like what i say, are you against the first ammendment? beside you can vote out the congressman who voted the way you didn't like.
JC residents typically votes republican, which use to mean less regulation, this smoking ban law regultates businesses, what hypocrisy.
do you have respect for people who own and run a business? i am guessing no. there were plenty of places that were smoke free to being with. now many businesses are losing income, how does that make you feel?
JCLifer 2 years, 1 month ago
The bars I have been to recently are busier than ever. The smoking ban is bringing them more business- just as predicted.
wcywing 2 years, 1 month ago
which bars? ask people at The Mission.
wcywing 2 years, 1 month ago
obviosly you missed my message. unless something happened, JC was always considered a conservative town and usually votes R. repubs say they want deregulation of business, etc. i am for individual property rights. whatever happened business owners power of choice? did you bother to ask any of them?
wcywing 2 years, 1 month ago
wrong about what? JC typically votes R, Nazi Germany was the first country to introduce smoking bans, or individuals losing rights on how to run their business?
wcywing 2 years, 1 month ago
i say again, what was i wrong about? JC typically votes R, Nazi Germany was the first country to introduce smoking bans, or individuals losing rights on how to run their business? can you not see the commas?
Daddy 2 years, 1 month ago
Actually JC hasn't always been a Republican town. There was a time when you couldn't find a Republican in a county or city elected office. As far as rights there are no rights within the constitution to smoking or business owners having any type of say over who can and can't smoke. This isn't an issue of rights being taken away this is an issue of impossing on other people. Had smokers been more considerate over the years and stepped outside to smoke people wouldn't complain. Instead smokers would sit behind you and blow smoke all over you. This is a long time comming and the right choice was made. If smokers don't like how it is they can scoot out to a county establishment and smoke thier lungs out!
wcywing 2 years, 1 month ago
when was this? i never heard of JC being a liberal place. when Democrats was running JC, they were probably conservative Democrats. again i quote Paddymalonespub "With all that being said, I still believe that telling a business owner that he must now work under a new set of rules, when he invested in this community under a previous set of rules, is not fair play. I ask you this; what if it was your business or livelihood? Would you want the government or the voters telling you that you had to change when you had established your business under a certain pretense? What is particularly surprising to me is that this constituency regularly supports political candidates who expound the virtues of free enterprise and less government regulation. Yet, in the case of the smoking ban, the voters supported a measure which restricts free enterprise and requires more government intervention. I have said many times, most people will gladly sacrifice the individual rights of others just so long as their own rights are not interfered with. This is blatant hypocrisy. But I don't know why I am surprised. Our government was not founded upon individual liberty for all; it was founded upon "liberty for the majority". If you don't believe me, just ask any Osage Indian."
original artilce is at: w w w.newstribune.com/news/2010/nov/03/smoking-bans-approved-jefferson-city-fulton/
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