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Rep. Wilson: No second apology for ‘You lie’ words

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Published: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:01 AM CDT

WASHINGTON (AP) — One apology is enough, a diggingin-his-heels Rep. Joe Wilson said , challenging Democratic leaders who want him to say on the House floor that he’s sorry for yelling “You lie!” during President Obama’s health care speech to Congress.

The leadership plans to propose a resolution of disapproval this week if the South Carolina Republican doesn’t publicly apologize to Congress. Such a measure would put lawmakers on the record as condemning those two words, uttered during last Wednesday’s primetime speech, that have become a fundraising boon for the defiant Wilson and his Democratic challenger.

Wilson said a resolution would show that Democrats simply wanted to play politics and divert attention from a health care overhaul that is lagging in Congress.

“I am not going to apologize again. I apologized to the president on Wednesday night. I was advised then that, ’Thank you, now let’s get on to a civil discussion of the issues,”’ Wilson said.

“I’ve apologized one time. The apology was accepted by the president, by the vice president, who I know. I am not apologizing again.”

In an interview taped Friday and broadcast Sunday evening, Obama said he accepted and appreciated Wilson’s apology, which was delivered through White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. Obama said he preferred to move past the incident and focus on the broad health care overhaul that took him to the Capitol in the first place.

“See, this is part of what happens. I mean, it just— it becomes a big circus instead of us focusing on health care,” a laughing Obama told CBS’ “60 Minutes.”

Obama described what he said was “a coarsening of our political dialogue” where “the loudest, shrillest voices get the most attention” in a nonstop news cycle.

Democratic leaders decided Thursday they would move forward with a resolution of disapproval unless Wilson — a conservative who won a 2001 special election to earn a seat in Congress — make a public apology for shouting after Obama said illegal immigrants would not be eligible for lowcost health care.


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online_editor wrote on Sep 22, 2009 10:01 AM:

" Since this thread has strayed somewhat from the original topic and everyone's pretty much made their points about the new issues raised, it's now closed. Thank you for your comments. "

wow wrote on Sep 21, 2009 7:58 PM:

" Facts prove Strom Thurmond died an avid racist. Facts tell us that avid racist don't have loving relationship's with the people they are hating. Common sense tells us that in the 1920's, Strom Thurmond had sex with Carrie Butler and from that sex was born Essie Mae Williams. That same common sense tells me that since Strom was a "hard core" racist, it is 99.99.99% unlikely that he stopped hating black people to have a blissful relationship with his black female house maid, let alone the illegitimate child that resulted from the incident.
Stom loving Carrie is as believable as is Hitler loving Wilma Rudolph and we know that didn't happen! It's-not-emotion-it's-me-using-facts-and-common-sense-to-reach-my-conclusion. "

donaldj wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:58 AM:

" just another way to take your mind off of the economy,health care,war,czars,etc,etc,etc
Don L
chicago "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:09 AM:

" miss h wrote: Factsnodrama--This is the last time I'm going to say this to you. The sex act between Thurmond and Carrie Butler was not a tryst."

You know this because you were there? "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:07 AM:

" factsnodrama wrote "The facts say one thing, emotion, bias, and a cheap attempt at revising history say another regarding Thurmond."

That is the way liberals operate. They don't care about facts they only operate on emotion. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:06 AM:

" wow wrote "Strom was dieing and finally understood that when his last breath hand past, he would be held accountable for all the evil things he had done. Strom tried to make things right in order to save his soul, not to help some trouble making Pick-a-nen-nee! "

But he did a lot if things for his child long before he was dying. "

tweediebird wrote on Sep 21, 2009 8:02 AM:

" for progress to be made, it requires understanding on both sides. and for WOW to equate the modern day sons of confederate veterans to the KKK is a farce. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 20, 2009 9:12 PM:

" I've reported the use of that word, there is no place for that kind of derogatory language on in this forum. We'll disagree miss, but at least we keep it cival. I'll let you know how Essie book is, I should have it next week. Learned a lot from keeping up with this thread. Sorry I've upset you, I just have a hunger for facts, the emotional part just clouds history, and makes it hard to clean up later.

The important thing is, men like Thurmond, will join the scrap heap of history, while African Americans like Carver, Booker Washington, Fannie Hamer will be remembered forever. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:54 PM:

" White people may not have been meant to suffer under Jim Crow, but some individuals did simply for what it did not allow, heck miss, simple friendships had to walk fine lines no matter which side you were on. None of that compairs to what the blacks suffered, not or ever my point.

Carful with that chip, it's not 1925,35,45,55,65 anymore. Your fighting ghosts, and insulting real people who care, work hard, and understand justice. You make a lot of assumptions, and conclusions on emotion alone. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:42 PM:

" Sorry, my star witnesses are african americans, one still living. Their testimony, "nice man" Wonderful man" "supportive" "counsiled" "nurtured".

Stop using documentation? Yeah we wouldn't want to cloud the issue with documentation!

Look miss, I'm not talking about anything other than Essie Mae's conception. One that could have been denied, but wasn't. A child that could have been ignored, but wasn't. A family in distress in 1964 after Essie's spouse passed, could have been written off, but wasn't. The man had a mountain of short comings, and many terrible things that he stood for, why must you lie about him? "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 20, 2009 7:16 PM:

" Emmit Till = Emotional injection, try to stay on point, they have nothing to do with each other, one a brutal murder, the other a tryst bewteen two people. I've ordered Essie book, looks like a good read.

The facts say one thing, emotion, bias, and a cheap attempt at revising history say another regarding Thurmond. I'll take your kind seriously when they deal with the Byrd's of your own party, until then, it's just more political fodder, insincere at best.

Joe Wilson should be and was delt with by the body of politicians he sits with. His actions (yelling at the pres) were disgusting. "

wow wrote on Sep 20, 2009 6:34 PM:

" Good to see this type of conversation taking place without all the "Drama". Perhaps this is attributed to the progress that's been made. I hope things continue improving. Now let me get back to the Wilson topic.

Wilson is a Lt Col. is the US Army National Guard. As an Officer he has a duty 2respect the Chain of Command. The Pres. is the number1 person N that Chain of Command. When Lt. Col. Wilson openly confronted the Pres., Wislon violated the military's time honored principle of
1always respecting the persons rank or Political Office regardless of if 1disliked the person. Lt. Col. Wilson's remark was not racist,-but it-was-a-serious-violation-of-the-UCMJ-and-the-reason-Lt.Col-Wilson-must-be-Court-Martialed. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:32 PM:

" Fulbright signed The Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's historic 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. He subsequently joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as well as voting against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

" June 5, 1996 at the White House, President Bill Clinton said, "Hillary and I have looked forward for sometime to celebrating this 50th anniversary of the Fulbright Program, to honor the dream and legacy of a great American, a citizen of the world, a native of my home state and my mentor and friend, Senator Fulbright."

Finding-answer is always more-fun-than reading the cheap whitewash (no pun intended). Fulbright-did-these-things-to-get reelected,political-expediency, but-Thurmond-did-it-out-of-hatred? Pick-one-you-can't-have-it-both-ways. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:19 PM:

" If a person can't change, then why is Robert Byrd getting the AA vote in overwhelming numbers in WVA?

Other than the letter after their name (D or R), there is no diff between Byrd and Thurmond. Why is Joe Wilson a racist, or why is he subject to this accusation? For clerking for Thurmond? Then why isn't Clinton a racist for idolizing and working for William Fulbright? Why isn't Al Gore, his daddy signed the Manifesto too!

Glass houses, they are fragile arnt they? "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:12 PM:

" Miss he's not my "hero". He's was a war hero. I also stated he was a racist, dung bag, adulteror, sexual harrasser, womanizer.

What happend to some, or even most did not happen to all. Your emotional outburst lacks any logic, or reasonable review of the limmited facts. Just because he was racist in one aspect of his life, participated in the oppression of blacks in his state, does not mean that he could not or did not care for his child, or that the affair he had wasn't one that was born of love and lust of two people, not an evil white man and an innocent black woman. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 18, 2009 8:13 PM:

" I regret that I ever got involved in this thread. It is like a slap in the face. I'm through. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 18, 2009 8:00 PM:

" There is zero evidence that he didn't rape this girl. It's not like she could have reported it. Do a little more reading on Jim Crow from the Black perspective and see how you feel about your hero then. You just don't understand this. We can agree to disagree. If you could listen to some of the experiences that Black people had during this era, you would NOT be saying this. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:43 PM:

" Woops....Thurmond

Anyway, yelling racist at Joe Wilson, is counter productive in post racial America 2009 with a biracial president. However they should keep it up, it can't hurt the GOP in 2010 if you fire up a bunch of people with outragious accusations. Wilson's war chest swelled by a million bucks after the personal attacks by the race baiting left in the black caucus. He was on shaky ground for reelction in 2010, now he's just about a lock thanks to this irrational, and emotional outburst by the left in congress. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Looonngggg before DNA could prove there relationship, Sen Thurman (war hero) helped his offspring (1941), nurtured her education, helped her raise her kids when her husband died prematurely(1964). He did this out of love, not political expedience, and certainly not out of any anticipation of future DNA techknowlogy. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:14 PM:

" There is ZERO evidence that he raped Essie's mother ZERO. The little evidence we do have points to a love affair. She became pregnant, his family sent him away, then her baby away.

He-could-have-walked-right there and then. DNA wasn't even a concept in 1925. Why did he seek out Essie 16 years later at the threshold of his political carrier when it could destroy that same carrier? Can't say it was to shut her up, there was no proof the child was his!

In the words of his lover "he was a nice man"

In the words of his daughter "he was wonderful"

The-man-has-a-sorry-legacy-of-womanizing, racism, adultery, absentee-father (first 16 years) sexual-harrassment etc....why-do-you-find-it-necessary-to-lie-about-him? "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:06 PM:

" WOW wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:37 AM:

" Oh paaallllessase don't evn be trying that Stom was a victim of the times mess. An adult "JAMES STROM THURMOND" willingly volunteered 4military service, An adult "JAMES STROM THURMOND" volunteered 2B a racist bigot and an adult JAMES STROM THURMOND volunteered 2rape a defenseless unwilling, innocent child. JAMES STROM THURMOND did not love the daughter that came from his vile act. He did like most other's in his position of that time...he tolerated the off spring, nothing more nothing less. The birth was a result of his violation of an innocent child's womb. If he loved anything. JAMES STROM THURMOND loved not going 2jail 4rape.

lets deal-with this one-thing at a time shall we?..... "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:04 PM:

" WOW wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:07 AM:

Just like many other's, Col.Strom Thurmond was a racist coward-and-Col-Joe-Wilson-should face-UCMJ-disciplinary-proceedings-for-Conduct-Unbecoming-A-Commissioned-Officer! "

Yes, Thurmond was a racist. I previously posted that Wilson should be centured, his outburst was crude, and wrong. I don't think it erases his service to his country or the votes of his constituants. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:02 PM:

" WOW wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:07 AM:

Thurmond lived in the Jim Crow south, that reality required his detestible positions regarding race. He volunteered 2fight Nazism, but not 2fight American-Racism?

Yes, both positions politically expediant.

Strom was 18, 19 yrs old when he committed statutory rape of a 13, 14, yr old girl, that's how his beloved daughter happened!

Wrong, he was 22, she was 16 when Essie Mae was born. Legal consent was 14 at the time of their tryst (1924). "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:00 PM:

" WOW wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:07 AM:

" " JAMES STROM THURMOND War hero", my butt.

"For his military service, he received 18 decorations, including Belgium's Order of the Crown and France's Croix de Guerre". The very same medals the US Gov't begged the Allies not 2award 2non white soldiers who endured much more with much less than did Strom, because it would send the wrong message back in America.

He was a war hero, this has nothing to do with his 18 decorations, the fact that he VOLUNTEERED at 40 and served in combat in both war theatres. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:47 AM:

" Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you WOW! Finally, somebody 'gets' what I was saying. I can not say thank you enough!!!! You made my DAY! "

WOW wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:37 AM:

" Oh paaallllessase don't evn be trying that Stom was a victim of the times mess. An adult "JAMES STROM THURMOND" willingly volunteered 4military service, An adult "JAMES STROM THURMOND" volunteered 2B a racist bigot and an adult JAMES STROM THURMOND volunteered 2rape a defenseless unwilling, innocent child. JAMES STROM THURMOND did not love the daughter that came from his vile act. He did like most other's in his position of that time...he tolerated the off spring, nothing more nothing less. The birth was a result of his violation of an innocent child's womb. If he loved anything. JAMES STROM THURMOND loved not going 2jail 4rape.

Wilson ain't Strom...but he-has volunteered-for-many-of-the-same-causes-as-JAMES-STROM THURMOND.-Is-it-coincidence-or-something-else? "

WOW wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:07 AM:

" " JAMES STROM THURMOND War hero", my butt.

"For his military service, he received 18 decorations, including Belgium's Order of the Crown and France's Croix de Guerre". The very same medals the US Gov't begged the Allies not 2award 2non white soldiers who endured much more with much less than did Strom, because it would send the wrong message back in America.

Thurmond lived in the Jim Crow south, that reality required his detestible positions regarding race. He volunteered 2fight Nazism, but not 2fight American-Racism?
Strom was 18, 19 yrs old when he committed statutory rape of a 13, 14, yr old girl, that's how his beloved daughter happened!

Just like many other's, Col.Strom Thurmond was a racist coward-and-Col-Joe-Wilson-should face-UCMJ-disciplinary-proceedings-for-Conduct-Unbecoming-A-Commissioned-Officer! "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 17, 2009 2:10 PM:

" Oops--to 'GET' what they want, sorry "

stop wrote on Sep 17, 2009 2:01 PM:

" I mean..... but the government won't let insurance companies compete across state lines. " "

stop wrote on Sep 17, 2009 1:59 PM:

" No matter if the Pres is lying or not, I dont have any interest in a government run health care system. If the government would get out of the way we would be better off. On one hand they say the reason for the government option is to force the insurance companies to have more competitive prices but the government would let insurance companies compete across state lines. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 17, 2009 1:28 PM:

" Regardless of which one of them is right, I don't particularly like either one of them and will not allow them to lead me around by my nose. I don't take much stock in anything either of them have to say. I haven't seen many politicians that don't lie. As far as I'm concerned, they ALL (politicians) lie to to what they want. Just my opinion. "

maiximista wrote on Sep 17, 2009 11:37 AM:

" Exactly, Stop.....Unless we read the wording ourselves, we don't know if our president is on the up and up or if he is deceiving the masses. At this point, someone is lying....either Rep. Wilson or President Obama. It is our duty as Americans to find out which one it is and then be prepared to stand behind the one that is being truthful. "

stop wrote on Sep 17, 2009 9:35 AM:

" Im more interested in knowing if the president was lying or not. As I understand it the bill does NOT exclude illegals. "

maiximista wrote on Sep 17, 2009 9:09 AM:

" While I personally feel like Rep Wilson's comment was ill-timed and less than respectful of the position of President, I also feel like he has the same freedom of speech that all Americans have. While he might owe an apology for causing an outburst during a nationally televised presidental speech, he certainly does not owe anyone an apology for expressing his personal opinion.

As for whether Rep Wilson is right or not, until folks sit down and read the plan that the president is endorsing, one can not know what is truth and what is false. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:12 PM:

" I read about The Southern Manifesto in an African-American History class. Our Black history is a painful thing but is a necessity for us to teach our children about their roots. Glad you have seen some of the light. My grandfather told me of lynchings when he was growing up. It hurt me to see him cry but he taught me a lot about how tolerent black people HAD to be in those days. It was a matter of life and death in most cases. A good number of black women did not want to consent to sex with white men, but did they really have a choice? I will let this rest. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:42 PM:

" Miss I'm not denying the personal struggles of black Americans in the Jim Crow south, I just don't have an emotional connection to it. I think the man was a complete donkey, treated women like objects, and was an egotistical adulterous dung bag for the way he put his carrier first over what was right, and considering his obvious concern for his offspring, he was selfish and inconsiderate. But I think ultimately, in his own way cared about and loved his daughter, twisted as the situation was.

Thanks for pointing out the southern manifesto, I had not read it, and learned a lot. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:32 PM:

" JAMES STROM THURMOND War hero, vounteered at the age of 40, he served in the U.S. Army in both Europe and the Pacific during World War II, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.

For his military service, he received 18 decorations, medals and awards, including the Legion of Merit with Oak Leaf Cluster, Bronze Star with Valor device, Purple Heart, World War II Victory Medal, European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal, Belgium's Order of the Crown and France's Croix de Guerre.

He lived in his time, as a politician in the Jim Crow south, that reality required his detestible positions regarding race. Ironic and probably frustrating cxonsidering his love for his daughter.

What's Robert Byrd up to these days? "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM:

" before his coward behind died. We will NEVER see eye to eye on this, EVER. Good-bye. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:14 PM:

" And had Thurmond's 'cronies' found out about the supposed 'love' he had for the maid, he himself could have been lynched. He covered his A--. Of course, I'm pretty certain that you don't have ancestors in your family tree that were ever lynched, so you cannot relate to my point of view. Black people lived in a survival state of mind in that era. If any of that reading didn't open your eyes, nothing will. His words were despicable and he meant them when he said them. If he had any love in his heart for Essie, he would have never been against civil rights. If he had any love for Essie, we would have publicly acknowledged her "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:08 PM:

" Essie-Mae-Williams:
"He was wonderful.

Dan Rather:
He was wonderful?

Essie Mae Williams:
Yes.

Dan Rather:
Tell me about that.

Essie Mae Williams:
Well, whenever I was in need, he would help me out financially. And as I said, he did a lot of counseling. And then, when I got married, of course this was no longer continuing. However, except in an emergency. However, after my husband passed, he died at an early age of 45 in 1964 and he knew that my husband had passed, 'cause he kept in touch, and we talked, so he decided he would continue helping me with the children until they were all grown up. And he did that."

What an awful man! :>) "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:02 PM:

" "...he was glad to meet me, because of course, he had never seen me. And it was a very nice meeting. And we talked about various things such as what I planned to do in life.

And since then, he had also given me a lot of counseling. And he was the one who had recommended South Carolina State College, because I didn't have any particular college in mind at the time. And I was down there at South Carolina State College for about three years. And during that time, I would see him periodically."

Sounds terrible. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:01 PM:

" The southern manifesto.....signed by William Fullbright (Clinton's mentor), Al Gore Sr., 99 Democrats, and two Republicans signed it.

DNA was even a concept in 1925, he could have walked on his lady, and his daughter. He didn't buy her off, he nurtured his offspring in a Jim Crow south, his denial, and his daughters silence, in her words "because telling did not serve him or me at all" "

Travelin_Rose wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:34 PM:

" This has nothing to do with Essie. This has everything to do with Obama saying the illegals will not be covered under Obama Care. I think we all know Joe Wilson is telling the truth when he called Obama out as a liar. All illegals get free healthcare now paid for by taxpayers. Why would that ever change? LaRaza has said nothing. That should be your tipoff that Obama lied. "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 15, 2009 11:40 AM:

" Did you know FIVE of Joe Wilson's immediate family members (including himself) receive free government-run health care?

Did you know Joe Wilson voted 11 times against health care for veterans?

What a guy! What an honorable party to belong to! "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 11:23 AM:

" Falling in love with (marrying) a black man or woman was against the law. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 11:09 AM:

" And furthermore, giving money and lavish gifts does NOT constitute love. Sounds like hush money to me. He had a reputation to protect with his political 'cronies' and his 'cronies were NOT black people. In my opinion, THAT is why he NEVER publicly acknowledged Essie Mae. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 11:01 AM:

" Boscoe, you MUST be kidding! Are you aware of ANY of the words that came out of his MOUTH? "

boscoe wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:53 AM:

" "Falling in love with a black woman, just meant heartache and trouble."

What's race have to do with it? Falling in love with any woman leads to heartache and trouble! "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:36 AM:

" As I said, Carrie Butler would never said anything about Thurmond in those days. Black stereotypes didn't just come up 10 years ago. Go to farris.edu and look up the Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia and you might get my meaning. If you don't, I don't really care...I know how I feel and I am not going to try to persuade you to think otherwise. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:27 AM:

" That is a TYPICAL statement. My Grandfather lived in Jim Crow days and the things he experienced were HORRIFIC! Any person that says the things he (Strom) did goes to the grave with that hatred in his heart. Don't believe the HYPE! Do a little more reading on Jim Crow or The Southern Manifesto before you defend this scuzzbag of a man. He was covering his backside by DISCREETLY supporting Essie Mae. Do a little reading about Strom's 24-hour filibuster against the Civil Rights Act of 1957, done in the name of saving the South from "mongrelization". "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:51 AM:

" Strom Thurmund was a politician in the Jim Crow south, a war hero, a womanizer, and had a massive ego, like any senator. He was human. He loved his daughter and her mother, tragic, and unfair as it all was. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:47 AM:

" "We never had a deal"

"I-did-not-come-forward-out-of-respect-for-my-father"

-Essie

Never read what you state miss, but it's abundantly apparent that he loved his daughter. Jim Crow laws and the old south had white victims too. Falling in love with a black woman, just meant heartache and trouble.

"He was a nice man" Essie mother about Strom.

He paid for her college, and supprted her long after he needed to, and she had access to him, just like any other family member, thus the rumors years before his death, heck it was even printed in a paper a long long time ago.

They didn't have DNA testing back then, he could have just taken a walk. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:45 AM:

" I don't care if Wilson apologizes for his outburst towards Obama and I don't care if he was or was not sincere about it. Wilson considered Thurmond his one of his heroes and as far as I'm concerned, Strom Thurmond was scum and it sounds to me like Joe or Addison Graves Wilson Sr. or whatever the heck his name is, is cut from the same cloth as his 'hero'. "

misshoneybee wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:37 AM:

" factsnodrama--Question--Have you ever read 'The Southern Manifesto'? If you have, how could you say that Strom Thurmond loved Carrie Butler (Essie Mae Washington-Williams' mother)? With his history of 'segregation now and forever', it sure doesn't sound like he 'loved' his parents maid (Carrie Butler) to me. Thurmond supported Essie Mae because if that info got leaked, his political career would have gone up in flames before it ever started. 60 years ago, a white man could have his way with a black woman and get away with it and she better not complain about it or worse could happen to her. I'm not saying that that is what happened, but it's pretty likely. "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 14, 2009 10:43 PM:

" Nice, and so succinct, I'm Jelious. Well done Purple. "

purple wrote on Sep 14, 2009 9:46 PM:

" Did you know that the human head weighs about 8 pounds? "

factsnodrama wrote on Sep 14, 2009 5:53 PM:

" Did you know Obama's mentor was/is Rev Wright, Al Sharpton supported the liar Tawana Brawley, and the capitol of Nebraska is Lincoln?

What a shock, it's destroy Joe Wilson day, I guess Sarah can relax for a while. :>)

Oh and if Strom is her father (and he is) she's half black, and since she is still with us, it's not "was" it's IS. Oh and it did taint his legacy. The issue 60 years ago might have been race, but the issue when she came forward was an illegitimate child of a staunch Conservative, it did affect his legacy, although the story has a tragic-and-sweet-part to it as well as he loved her mother and supported his daughter. "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 4:20 PM:

" Did you know Joe Wilson publicly attacked Essie Mae Washington-Williams when she admitted she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond? Essie was black.

He was afraid her revelation would taint the Thurmond legacy. "

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