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Columbia council to reconsider bike harassment law

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Published: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:20 PM CDT

COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) - Columbia elected leaders will reconsider a contentious bicycle harassment ordinance at Monday night's City Council meeting.

Councilman Jerry Wade and some council colleagues say they acted too hastily when they unanimously approved a June ordinance protecting bicycle riders from harassment by motorists. The proposed law makes harassing cyclists a misdemeanor punishable by stiff fines or a year in jail.

Wade wants to suspend the ordinance for six months and form a task force to create similar antiharassment provisions for walkers, joggers and wheelchair users.

He also wants to spend $9,500 in city money for a consultant to serve as a community mediator when the public debate gets too heated.


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gofish wrote on Aug 27, 2009 3:36 PM:

" In my opinion cycling is a strenous form of cardio-excercize. Cyclists aren't sissy's. But the neon shirt and "hugger" pants they wear are.

I dislike yappy dogs that chase after cars, bicycles, mailmen, and people. I've on occasion felt the need to give the wheel an extra yank to put a dog in check -- or in a ditch if they're slow. Pet owners should be responsible for their pets. To me, it's no different to leave a child unsupervised as it is a dog...that is if you are truly a dog LOVER and not just an owner.

As for cyclists and their prima donna "ownership" of the road...you already know my opinion on this. "

waitingontheend wrote on Aug 27, 2009 11:11 AM:

" Okay, now that I have experienced the bicyclist in Columbia I see why they get stuff throwed on them and are yelled at. A girl on a street off of Broadway was riding down the middle of the street with head phones on had traffic backed up. I looked off to the side and there was plenty of room for her to be on the side of the road on the little bike trail that was outlined. I told my hubby he should go up and buzz her back tires to get her out of the way because apparently she was so in to her Ipod that she was unaware of what was around her or simply did not care. "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 25, 2009 1:21 PM:

" I called Cole County Sheriff's Department and asked about the leash law. They told me that if you live in the city limits of a town, such as JC, Russellville, Wardsville, etc., that you must keep your pets on a leash or chain. But if you live outside the city limits of a Cole County town, (depending on the ordinances of the particular town) there is no leash law. I don't know if I would risk it because I wouldn't want my dog to bite anyone.

I have to keep my dog tied in the yard when I let him out; he's such a ho and thinks he needs to hump every female dog in the tri-county area. "

protege wrote on Aug 25, 2009 12:38 PM:

" Carley, I hope you understand that I work,pay taxes and have rights just like you and farmers do. While you may not like or understand why people ride on the roads you just need to accept it and try to coexist. I would like to say that 99.9% of the drivers are courteous and we riders appreciate this. Thank you for not having your dogs out today. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 25, 2009 9:44 AM:

" This sounds silly but sometimes we like to ride in a nearby cemetary. No one to hassle you there. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 25, 2009 9:42 AM:

" We have sense enough not to ride on certain roads. I am so lucky to live in an area (used to be a county rd.) where people are courteous to bikers and horse back riders. The area I was referring to where husband had trouble isn't where he usually rides. We love it here because at any given moment I can see horses being ridden or bikers. We have lots of people on bicycles because we are close to the Katy and its flat here. I agree, some county roads are not meant to ride on. I sure would not risk my life riding somewhere like AA or OO in my area. "

Travelin_Rose wrote on Aug 25, 2009 9:04 AM:

" Keep in mind if you go to Columbia to shop that you may get slapped with a lawsuit if some cyclist decides you gave him or her a dirty look. "

stop wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:57 AM:

" boxergal With rights comes responsibility. I think many people have forgotten that part. Just because you have the right to ride your bike down a narrow county road doesnt mean its not stupid to do so. "

boscoe wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:49 AM:

" Bear mace does a very nice job on dogs and pretty much any kind of attacker. Google it and buy it online, or bass pro, HOB, etc.

Regular conceal and carry will work too, but the noise draws attention to the issue. Bear mace is a quieter solution. "

Boomer wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:48 AM:

" Protege, as a paperboy, I learnd to take a doggie treat for the ones on my route that were usually in the same place every day. For free roaming dogs I found that a rinsed out "dawn" soap bottle made a good "squirt gun" and would turn the snappiest dog right around. Just squirt 'em in the face. No soap or other ingrediants are needed, just clean clear tap water. It's worked on all of 'em so far. I think any dog that comes out in the public street is out of bounds. And any that come to snap at me should be ready for a real good soaking. Ride on ! "

boxergal wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:42 AM:

" protege - get some bear mace at Basspro. Dogs hate it. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:41 AM:

" PS - Its a good thing that the bicyclists is NOT me because I would have taken care of that a long time ago. You can not be a responsible pet owner if you let your dog nip at tires. One day, someone thats not as nice as the gentleman below will whack the h-ll out of your dog just like my husband wanted to whack the h-ll out of the idiot that ran him off of the road. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:39 AM:

" Carley - I say this in all niceness. Bicyclists have a legal right to ride on county roads. You are the type that get people into trouble. If your dog bites that gentleman, I hope you know you are responsible. It doesn't matter what you think bike riders "should" do. What matters is that they have every right to ride where they want. And if you have a leash law, you are breaking it. "

Carley wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:30 AM:

" Bicyclist's should not ride on narrow county roads. It's dangerous not only for them but for the folks driving. Use the Katy Trail, the tax payer's and farmers paid dearly for you to have a special place to ride. "

stop wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:04 AM:

" dalake wrote
It's not just on the road honeybee...it's at the store, in the aisles at Wal-Mart, at the movies, at the convenience store, etc.. Many/most in today's society are just outright rude, they know it and they simply don't care.

I love the extremely overweight folks in Wal-Mart that park their cart on one side of the aisle then they stand on the other side of the aisle taking up the entire aisle. When you say "excuse me" to get by they look at you like you had offended them in some way. " "

happy wrote on Aug 25, 2009 7:46 AM:

" protege I think I would carry some mace with me, Cole county has a leash law and the dog should be chained up especially if it chases people. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 25, 2009 7:19 AM:

" Wow, that dog attacks someone, you are liable. You do know that, don't you?? "

protege wrote on Aug 24, 2009 7:49 PM:

" This is to Carley, I'm the "sissy" cyclist who has been harassed by your dogs that continually run into the road and have nearly caused me to be hit by cars on several occasions. For one thing I'm not riding in your front yard, I am on a public road and your little yappers are coming onto said roadway. Would you prefer that I mace them or something else? I think after 4 years of this that yelling is pretty minor. So if you love your doggies I would tie them up.If you think that riding on the roads around here is sissified then you should try it yourself then you will knowhow hard it is. "

Carley wrote on Aug 24, 2009 4:38 PM:

" How about bicyclist's yelling and cussing loudly at my dogs & my husband. I have three small dogs and one male loves to chase bicycle's for some reason. We live out in Cole County and our dogs run free and usually stay on our property, but the one, as I said, hates bicycle's. Anyway one jerk bicyclist stopped at the neighbors and yelled at our house saying "Keep your F___ing dogs on a chain or they are going to get killed on the road." Hey, I've had my dogs a lot longer and they have enjoyed their running, but now I'm supposed to chain my dogs because some sissy bicyclist wants to ride out on Route D between St. Martins and Route C. "

gofish wrote on Aug 24, 2009 4:30 PM:

" Out of the 4 groups of people: bicyclists, walkers, joggers and wheelchair users only the disabled fall into a PROTECTED CLASS and they are already covered by civil rights laws.

EVERYONE is already protected from harrassment under the statutes for peace disturbance.

Pretty sure that trying to create a protected class out of bicyclists, walkers, and joggers would be unconstitutional. These people should try living in St. Louis if they think they have it so bad in Columbia.

Columbia shows it's ignorance - hopefully JC doesn't follow. "

bluenurse wrote on Aug 20, 2009 10:30 PM:

" Now that I reread my posts, I'm not sure "bolted" is the correct word. The horse raised up on its back legs, causing the rider to fall off, then lowered its body back to all fours & took off running. Sorry! "

bluenurse wrote on Aug 20, 2009 10:27 PM:

" So probably that was what caused the horse to bolt. And these jerks that caused the whole thing were laughing their butts off as the horse ran off. Fortunately, the horse stayed on the trail, if it had gone off, it would have probably been hurt. This park is very hilly, some hills very steep.

Personally, I think it's ignorant when people go to a place like a park & blast music loud enough to hear in the next county. Most people go there to enjoy nature & the outdoors.
I guess the point is, people are ignorant & selfish anywhere. "

bluenurse wrote on Aug 20, 2009 10:23 PM:

" This horse came around a bend just as it had climbed a steep hill & met these people with the blaring music straight on. The horse suddenly bolted & the woman on the horse was thrown off - fortunately not hurt. A man hiking a few yards behind me was able to grab the horse as it was running down the trail. There was a man aboard another horse with the woman who fell off. He politely asked the music blasters if they could turn the music down to a more acceptable level & this prompted a bunch of profanity as an answer. The man said these horses were not used to that (cont) "

bluenurse wrote on Aug 20, 2009 10:20 PM:

" Something else few people know (at least here) is that if you are walking the trails in the state parks, horses have the right-of-way. Babler State Park here in far west St. Louis Co. allows horses on some of the trails (hikers too) so people bring their horses out to ride. They also have horses for rent on the premises. I know next to nothing about horses, but twice I saw horses scared by people on foot - once when a kid came up behind this horse & started screaming to deliberately startle it. Another time, these young guys were hiking & blasting music on a boombox(cont). "

david_heisel wrote on Aug 20, 2009 12:28 PM:

" Mariab is right on the money, there are ettiquette rules for trail/greenway use, but even if there were not, common courtesy and common sense will ensure that you are using the trail responsibily. I agree that cyclists shouldn't be flying down the greenway at 30mph, but it is to be expected that a rider may pass you and it will be at a speed faster than you are walking at. If I want to ride fast, I stay on the street; if I want to have a joy-ride, then I will use the greenway, always being sure those around me know I am approaching/passing and giving as much room as possible. It's a wonderful greenway and everyone should enjoy it. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:21 AM:

" Good tips Mariab. I am no pro, have an old f--rts bike. But we even stop and pull to the right when we hear bikers coming up on us. A lot of the people on the Katy are traveling and go extremely fast. We are out for leisure so its no big deal to just stop and pull over for a while. "

mariab wrote on Aug 20, 2009 10:37 AM:

" Dazedandconfused - David Heisel is correct, for the most part. Anyone using a trail needs to be aware of his surroundings - if you're going to listen to your iPOD, the volume needs to be low enough for you to hear people behind you. ANY bicyclist is going to be faster than you if you're walking, not just so-called speeding cyclists.

As for walking two abreast - generally not a big deal on the greenway because it's wide, but you need to be over on the right side of the trail so faster people can pass you on the left.

Possible not many people know this, but there are trail-use etiquette rules that include rights-of-way rules for walkers, cyclists, etc. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:39 AM:

" I have never ridden Greenway but it looks kind of jammed up to me. I had someone that was courteous enough to say "on your left" to me on the Katy. It was extremely quiet and he snuck up so fast that when he said it, it startled me so much I almost fell off of my bike. But it is a common courtesy. "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:35 AM:

" car, I would have been _issed. But she was there, making a call on her cellphone so I walked over and asked if there was anything I could do for her. She was cool as a cucumber and said ,"No, our insurance will cover this. And if it doesn't, my husband will pay for it. Who ever it is that doesn't like that I drive this car is going continue to be angry because I WILL be driving this car after the repairs! Until then, I'll be driving a rental just like it or I'll drive my husbands car...it's more expensive than mine! This isn't the first time that this has happened!" She was so cool-about-it! "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:25 AM:

" Thank you Bluenurse! I appreciate that! You aren't in here very often but it sure is nicer when you are!

I have never seen cyclists treated the way you have described but I agree with Boxergal that jealousy plays a part in this. I was in the parking lot of a store in Springfield, MO several years ago and as I got out of my car, a lady was getting out of hers. We spoke and walked in together. I guess someone saw us and didn't like the fact that she drove an expensive car because as I walked back to my car about 30 minutes later, someone had SEVERELY keyed her car. If that had been my "

dazedandconfused wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:54 AM:

" Unfortunately not everyone is as courteous as you must be. Out of 5 bikers last night that whizzed by us, only one announced their approachment. If you are deep in conversation or are alone with your ipod, you just don't hear the bikes coming and I'm sorry but even if you are alone and walking on one side or the other, speeding bikes are very intimidating. "

david_heisel wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:00 AM:

" Sure DazedandConfused, you can walk beside your husband, but you both need to be aware of people coming up behind you. Why should everyone have to ask to get by or be forced to the side while they notify you that they are passing? Not sure why you would think everyone else has to work around you. You need to treat it just like the road, the two of you need to stay as far over as you can and leave plenty of room. It's common practice on any trail/greenway and its what courteous people do. I saw someone get pushed off the trail into the grass in St. Louis by a runner for doing what you do. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 20, 2009 6:39 AM:

" Bluenurse - and you are one of my favorites. I would be furious if someone did that to me (soda). Takes all kinds, doesn't it?? "

bluenurse wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:09 PM:

" There are many people on bicycles here in StL & generally they are courteous & follow traffic rules. I have seen people in cars shout at them as they are passing by or throw stuff at them - like half-eaten food. Ignorant!

Boxergal: I have a Jeep Wrangler convertible & once some old guy in a nice suit threw a cup of soda in my back seat because he didn't like my bumper sticker (Obama).

Misshoneybee: If those people don't like what you contribute, too bad for them. That's their problem. You & Boxergal are two of my favorite posters.

Have a good night! "

hasher28 wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:44 PM:

" I bicycle all over JC and have yet to encounter any harrassment. I ride to the right, obey traffic signs, and use the Greenway when it is convenient to do so. My close encounter while bicycling have been due to motorists running stop signs. On the greenway, when I walk my dogs, I constantly keep an eye forward and back for runners, skaters, and bicyclists. Not e veryone will let you know they are approaching. I personally let walkers know when I'm approaching by yelling either "on your right" or "on your left". This gives them notice and I let them react before passing at a slow speed. "

dazedandconfused wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:03 PM:

" I'm walking with my spouse and I can't walk beside him? That's moronic. Bicyclist in racing gear do not belong on walking trails. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:47 PM:

" da'lake - AMEN. "

david_heisel wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:13 PM:

" Newsflash DazedandConfused, the greenway is not a walking-only trail. I agree that cyclists who use it need to be courteous and cautious and should not be racing at top speed on the greenway. They should be cognizant of other users, especially the children, but you as a walker also have a responsibility to be aware of your surroundings as well. You can't walk side-by-side or in the middle. The greenway is for everyone, walkers, cyclists, runners, rollerbladers, etc., so behave just like you do on the road and watch what is going on around you. If someone has to tell you they want to pass by you, then you aren't using the greenway responsibly enough. "

@da'lake wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:12 PM:

" misshoneybee wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:42 PM:

" It is simply crazy that people behave so dippy to others on the road! "

It's not just on the road honeybee...it's at the store, in the aisles at Wal-Mart, at the movies, at the convenience store, etc.. Many/most in today's society are just outright rude, they know it and they simply don't care.

I love the extremely overweight folks in Wal-Mart that park their cart on one side of the aisle then they stand on the other side of the aisle taking up the entire aisle. When you say "excuse me" to get by they look at you like you had offended them in some way. "

dazedandconfused wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:56 PM:

" I'd like to get some of the rude cyclists off the greenway. Some days you can't enjoy your walk and some cyclist going at a high rate of speed will come zooming by you before you have a chance to react. I don't mind the small children with their families but these people in their racing suits zooming along have no place on a walking trail! "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:42 PM:

" I guess I'll be nice and I won't stir the pot:) It is simply crazy that people behave so dippy to others on the road! I never realized it before. In these times, no one deserves to lose his job. So I guess I'll put my nose back into joint and play nice! "

boxergal wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:25 PM:

" (Rick is going to kill us for this). I don't know either, what with Doolittle getting their tools stolen and all. We had our mom at Summit. I really don't want to cause problems for the guy. We started to call his employer and report him. It would have been different if he had been in a private vehicle but he was in an employers vehicle. I just figure he was a miserable person. Its just kind of scary to ride a bike knowing there is some person out there with road rage that might do harm to you. "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:16 PM:

" I have a friend that woks at Summit Villa. I'm gonna call and ask her who delivers the sheets up there. I'm not sure that it is sheets that he delivers but I'm kind of curious as to he is. I'll bet that his employer wouln't be happy to hear about his behavior towards others on the road! Let's just see how THAT makes his wagon roll! "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:05 PM:

" I truly don't know what's going on in Holts Summit these days. Generally, people here in HS are pretty nice. But we've got some people on the fringe that, quite frankly, just make you want to SMACK them! Especially that jerk that stole my husband's lawn mower out of the garage! I am STILL gnashing my teeth over that one!;) "

boxergal wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:52 AM:

" Oh Lord, Mshoney.....I sure don't miss those days at work like that. Haters are everywhere, thats for sure. How could that EVER be showing off?? We try to give also but in the form of St. Judes or things like "Idol gives Back". I have lived next to some people for years that have tormented us. I think we have it figured out. WE worked hard for what we have. And we have worked hard to be able to take a nice leisurely bike ride without some jerk making it a bad experience. GOOD for you Ms. Honeybee...and ignore those haters, its not worth your time. I can tell you are a good person. "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:38 AM:

" although I don't have much, there are people out there that have less and need more than I do. So I deal with people that can afford to give something and they give nothing and then they _itch at me for stepping up. I'm not saying that everybody should give as much as I do--I'm not even saying that other people should donate at all if they don't want to. They just shouldn't _itch about me when they could do the same thing and choose to NOTHING. Haters...they are EVERYWHERE! "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:30 AM:

" Oh, there are haters everywhere, Boxergal! Haters over the most trivial things. For example, we have an option at work where we can have 'X' amount of dollars redirected out of our paycheck to go to a charity or local agency. I have $100 dollars taken out to go to worthy causes of my choice. I ended up discussing this option we have with a co-worker and I was asked how much I redirect and I told them. I guess I shouldn't have because now I hear how I'm 'just showing off' and how I don't have any business donating so much money. That is not what it is about to me--I give some of my money because "

boxergal wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:26 AM:

" freedom, sorry. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:26 AM:

" By the way, there is a sense of freedome when riding a bike. And there is that sense when riding a motorcyle. I don't think people like that. You are free and having fun. Or saving gas money. They don't like that so they harrass you. What a shame. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:03 AM:

" Just don't ride in front of Summit Villa. Its a great place to ride. Flat, no traffic. But you have the dreaded FAT man that delivers sheets. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:01 AM:

" fear of someone throwing something in it. I can't tell you what I have encountered from huge goat roping trucks. And I am overweight also. Sorry, JEALOUSY factors into a lot of things from motorcylists getting jerked around to bicyclists. That and common courtesy. Its gone, out the window. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:59 AM:

" I am almost 60 and very aware of what I say. Don't kid yourself. I have lived long enough to know that jealousy plays a big part in how people act. I ask you, if you were working, driving a delivery truck, way overweight and it a bad mood, would that NOT make a difference in how you react to someone. Sometimes I think people hate bikers because they are out enjoying their day while others are having to work. I get so sick of having to use proper wording when there are jerks everywhere in life that do things like this guy did.
I own a convertible and am almost afraid to drive with the top down for fear.... "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:47 AM:

" Boxergal--Depending on the target weight that I like on any particular day--I have about 20 to 50 pounds that I need to lose. I'm not offended by anything you said. I'm overweight and I know it. When I am ready to knock this fat of my back--I'll start walking again or hop on a bike...Well, maybe I'll forgo the bike thing--some people aren't 'cyclist friendly'! "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:31 AM:

" I can not fathom myself throwing something out a window at someone!! That is INSANE!
Yeah, Boxergal--I know where Summit Villa is--I used to walk along that road with a friend all the time and never had any problems. However, I see that bike riders have a tougher row to hoe. I have seen cyclists swerve a bit on the road, but after walking on some of the routes that the cyclists took, I've seen dips, potholes, road kill etc., so I understand sudden swerves on the road side. I try to avoid potholes when I'm driving my car so could you imagine hitting a pothole on a BIKE? OUCH--Makes my booty hurt just TALKING about it! "

maiximista wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:15 AM:

" Boxer Gal - It became my business when you referenced this man's size, as if that had something to do with what happened .

It is unfortunate this man disrespected your husband, but his size has NOTHING to do with his actions, and to imply so is disrespectful to those people of size who are kind and compassionate and would never do something like this man did.

I assumed you were unaware of the rudeness of your words. Now that I know your thoughts on the matter " Like I care. And yes it did. My husband was out trying to exercise while this slob was harrassing him. You don't like it, don't read it. ", I will-respectfully-refrain-from-speaking-with-you-about-it-further. "

Travelin_Rose wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:13 AM:

" I think this comes down to the bicyclist thinking they own the roads instead of share the roads with cars. This is very stupid. I can just imagine all the lawsuits against vehicle drivers for some little infraction. Build some bike roads in Columbia. I don't know how many times I've had to slam on my brakes because a bicyclist swooped in front of me. Now they are going to be empowered with threatening a lawsuit. "

david_heisel wrote on Aug 19, 2009 6:52 AM:

" It is a segment of motorists' behavior that created a law such as this. No doubt that cyclists need to obey the same laws and as a cyclist, I get very upset when I see other cyclists not observing proper riding ettiquette. I also believe it is cowardly to yell out of your car at a cyclist and then drive away, if you really have an issue, drive ahead a bit and pull over when you can, talk to the cyclist, don't be a coward and be a drive-by yeller. With that said, I've personally found JC drivers to be overwhelming courteous, I've had very few poroblems over the years, to those people, a big THANK YOU for sharing the road. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:37 PM:

" By the way, Maix - I don't "need to asky myself" anything. I am free, white, don't answer to anyone and love every minute of it. Ask yourself why its any of your business. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:34 PM:

" Quite frankly, I would be happy if they would ban hicks from the streets also. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:33 PM:

" Like I care. And yes it did. My husband was out trying to exercise while this slob was harrassing him. You don't like it, don't read it. "

maiximista wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:56 PM:

" Maybe instead of a bicycle harrassment law, Holt Summit needs to ban "fat" men from driving on their city streets. That's take care of the problem. (Sarcasm)

Boxergal - you might want to read over the posts you made and ask yourself, "How offensive might THIS sound to someone with a weight problem"? Did it really matter whether this man was thin or heavy????? "

G.Willikers wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:56 PM:

" I don't agree with allowing verbal harassment of cyclists or whatever. However, I'm not sure I agree with making a law that infringes on people's right to express themselves either, within legal boundaries. BTW, running someone off the road is NOT "expressing themselves". To me it is assault or attempted assualt. "

G.Willikers wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:53 PM:

" I'm a motorist and cyclist. When I ride I try to stay to the right of the driving lane and not impede cars unnecessarily. The other day I was behind a cyclist that was in the MIDDLE of the driving lane or maybe even to the left of it. It was obvious that he felt he was all that and a bag of chips and he was going to make sure everyone knew he had the right to be there. Even being a cyclists, I was getting p*ssed off with him being so rude in his riding behavior.

I have the right of free speech and expression...if I want to tell someone what I think, can a law stop me? "

boxergal wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:44 PM:

" Needless to say he doesn't ride there anymore. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 PM:

" and this is minor. I have heard people get stuff thrown at them all of the time. Moral of this story, do not ever make fat working man mad at retiree or retiree will kick a--. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:42 PM:

" MissHoney.....do you know where Summit Villa assisted living is? Know that outer road? My husband USED to enjoy a bike ride there. No one around. One day a fat guy that delivers to Summit ran my husband off the road. No one around in sight anywhere. But the fat man decides he doesn't like my husband riding a bike. Probably because fat man was working and hubby didn't have to. He starts screaming for him to get off of the road. Well........my husband doesn't put up with much so he follow fat man into Summit Villa where the guy is delivering bedsheets or something. Tells him that he might lose weight if he road abike.... "

two_cents_worth wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:56 AM:

" Bicyclists, yes. Plus having things thrown at you. "

misshoneybee wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:15 AM:

" I don't know much about this--is it kind of like road rage? Do people get cut off...people getting run off the road? I'm sure people get flipped the bird and cussed out, right? "

two_cents_worth wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:57 AM:

" If they can figure out a way to get motorists to stop harassing bicyclists then yes, I definitely applaud their efforts. "

sillyrabbit wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:16 AM:

" if they can figure out a way to get bikers to stop harassing motorists then yes, I definitely applaud their efforts. "

stop wrote on Aug 17, 2009 6:48 PM:

" stupid law "

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