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Obama tells nation: 'We are not quitters'

Published: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:28 AM CST
WASHINGTON (AP) - To a nation reeling from recession and facing long-festering problems, President Barack Obama has a simple reminder: “We are not quitters.”

Whatever the problems, the new president promised in the first prime-time speech of his term, “We will rebuild, we will recover and the United States of America will emerge stronger than before.”

Standing before a joint session of Congress on Tuesday night, Obama optimistically sketched an agenda that began with jobs, then broadened quickly to include a stable credit system, better schools, health care reform, reliable domestic sources of energy and an end to the war in Iraq. Specifics will follow, he said, although he conceded more billions may be necessary to stabilize the banking system.

The president drew loud cheers as he made his way down the center aisle, again when he stood, alone, at the podium to speak, and several more times in an address delivered in a hall packed with lawmakers, members of his administration, Supreme Court justices and diplomats.

Humorous and poignant moments took their turns on a night when virtually the entire government gathered under one heavily secured roof.

As when Obama explained his decision to have Vice President Joe Biden oversee implementation of his stimulus plan by saying, “Nobody messes with Joe.”

Or when he urged lawmakers to pass education legislation named in part for Massachusetts' Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, battling brain cancer. The 77-year-old lawmaker “has never stopped asking what he can do for his country,” Obama said, rephrasing an enduring line from President John F. Kennedy's 1960 inaugural address.

Little more than one month into the president's term, the speech followed congressional passage of an $787 billion stimulus bill, coincided with pending proposals to stem an epidemic of mortgage foreclosures and served as prelude to a budget Obama pledged will cut projected deficits in half by the end of his term.

The new president submits his tax and spending plans to Congress on Thursday.

With solid Democratic majorities in both houses, Obama can count on a reliable base of support as he pushes his agenda. But his drive for bipartisanship depends in part on his standing in the polls - strong so far - and his speech was aimed at lawmakers as well as the viewing public.

“What is required now is for this country to pull together, confront boldly the challenges we face, and take responsibility for our future once more,” he said.

Republicans said they were ready to work with Obama and his Democratic allies in Congress - up to a point.

“Where we agree, Republicans must be the president's strongest partners. And where we disagree, Republicans have a responsibility to be candid and offer better ideas for a path forward,” said Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, tapped by party leaders to deliver the GOP response.

Jindal, the first Indian-American governor in history, also took the opportunity to pledge to voters his party would try to regain their trust after an election in which Democrats not only won, elevating the first African-American to the White House, but strengthened their majorities in Congress.

“We will do so by standing up for the principles that we share,” he said.

The president seemed to do a little political positioning of his own.

He said the recently passed stimulus legislation was designed to “put people back to work and put money in their pockets. Not because I believe in bigger government - I don't.” And despite what his critics claim, he said, no family with an income of less than $250,000 would face higher taxes because of his plan.

While Obama's speech was short on specifics, his remarks hinted at legislative battles ahead with Democrats as well as Republicans in Congress.

He said he had already identified $2 trillion in savings to be achieved over the next decade, adding: “We will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq.”

He also pledged to “root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier,” an apparent reference to the subsidies the government pays to private insurance companies offering an alternative to traditional Medicare under a program long nourished by Republicans.

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Travelin_Rose wrote on Apr 20, 2009 3:35 PM:

" We may not be quitters yet but we will be if he raises our taxes to the point of why bother to work if we have nothing left for ourselves and we have to subsidize our lazy, video game playing, smoking neighbors being given our hard earned tax dollars. Then we will be quitters because all the incentive to work will vanish. "

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mariab wrote on Mar 11, 2009 7:34 AM:

" I blame the Dems, Mac, because they've got the voting numbers.

If a Rep put in stupid stuff, did he later vote in favor of the bill? If yes, I stand corrected, as I believed zero Reps voted in favor. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:34 AM:

" Goat Daddy wrote "Everyone knows that anything the liberals touch is bad. Public education, Social Security, Medicare, freedom of choice, the G.I. Bill, child labor laws, civil rights, equal rights, the one-man one-vote."

Public education is a failure, Social Security and Medicare are broke, Freedom of Choice? No the courts have taken away the right of the people to rule themselves on so many things. And is affirmative action really equal rights? And one man one votenow includes illegal aliens and felons. Brilliant. "

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midline wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:22 PM:

" Mac
Again, I ask you who is the majority party in Congress ? Whatever bills that pass the dems are the ones that control what the final bill ends up being when they vote . When the Repubs were in charge it was all their fault according to you, you can't have it both ways big boy. "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 8, 2009 4:43 PM:

" mariab said, " I blame the Dems in Congress who inserted absurd earmarks into the stimulus package."


You don't blame the republicans for inserting earmarks into the bill? Mitch McConnell had more earmarks in this bill than Harry Reid. "

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Goat Daddy wrote on Mar 8, 2009 1:35 AM:

" Why does everyone blame everything bad on the conservatives when it is the liberals who are the evil doers in this society. Everything that President Bush and the Republican Congress did during early 2000's proved to be right. If you don't believe me just wait a few years and you'll see.

Everyone knows that anything the liberals touch is bad. Public education, Social Security, Medicare, freedom of choice, the G.I. Bill, child labor laws, civil rights, equal rights, the one-man one-vote concept. I could go on, but you get my drift. Liberalism Bad. Conservative Good. Figure it out before we are all sent to the Gulag. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 7, 2009 3:29 PM:

" I think this is more than just a normal economic cycle especially when looking at the auto industry. The current situation of Chrysler and GM is exactly what the federal government is facing in a few years if it doesn't wake up and smell the coffee. At least we can't say we didn't have warning. "

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boscoe wrote on Mar 7, 2009 2:09 PM:

" The government should not be taking such an active role in trying to tame the free market. This is just a normal cycle that needs to run its course. Obama's irresponsible spending spree is going to delay or perhaps even prevent the market to correct itself. It would all get better much faster if the government stayed out of it and let a few banks and automakers fail. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 7, 2009 2:06 PM:

" Obam will sign the bill, Miss I, if he gets it. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 7, 2009 2:05 PM:

" mariab wrote "What I see going on is a Congress that still hasn't made the transition from status quo to change,"

What change would that be? Socialism? That is change we don't want. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 7, 2009 12:02 PM:

" Mariab, that is the closest thing to honesty I've seen on the left so far, quite refreshing. However, on posturing or opposing after a presidensial loss, neither party has cornered the market. If the republicans are not sucessful in stoppin pork bill before them that the house passed along party lines, then Obama has one chanch to save a smidgen of his dwindling credibility and veto the bill to hold the budget at last years spending level. If he doesn't, it's over, the change is officially gone and it's washington insider politics as ususal officially confirmed.

My-apologies- to- those-on-the-left, I-jumped-the-gun-on-Obama signing the 410 billion dollar bill. I was wrong (you folks need to fact check and-catch-me-sometimes) "

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mariab wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:21 AM:

" What I see going on is a Congress that still hasn't made the transition from status quo to change, and I blame both Dems and Reps for this. I blame the Dems in Congress who inserted absurd earmarks into the stimulus package (while self-righteously decrying CEO excesses) and I blame the Reps in Congress who belied all talk of working "across the aisles" with their unanimous vote against the stimulus package.

And the Reps are already auditioning presidential candidates for the next election.

At best, all of this is embarassing to watch; at worst, it is contemptible. People are looking for real answers to real problems - not political posturing. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 6, 2009 12:32 PM:

" Maybe we are not a nation of quitters but we are a nation of fools. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:12 PM:

" what what wrote "The problem is not one of a specific political party but of the continued support of failed policies in Washington."

Failed liberal policies. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:09 PM:

" proudliberal wrote "The president never said he would end earmarks."

Yeah he did. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:09 PM:

" proudliberal wrote "The vast majority of Americans, 84%, think the current economic conditions were inherited and not caused by President Barack Obama"

But they were caused by policies he believes in. Liberals and their ideas have destroyed this nation. "

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midline wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:11 PM:

" Dow drops 212 points today. Our boy wonder president is raising the confidence in our
economy in leaps and bounds!! Go get em Barack.. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 5, 2009 5:10 PM:

" Even Obama isn't trying to defend it, and he's the one who signed it!!

Washington insiders and pork barrell earmark, Obama, politics as usual.

Change....fagetaboutit. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 5, 2009 5:08 PM:

" proudliberal with no shame wrote on Mar 5, 2009 4:46 PM:

" Times reported that Obama made "campaign promises to put an end to the practice" of earmarks, when, in fact, as PolitiFact.com noted, Obama had actually promised to REFORM THE EARMARK PROCESS AND CUT WASTEFUL SPENDING."
The president never said he would end earmarks. There is nothing inherently evil about them, unless they are misused in a dishonest or corrupt way to further special interests. Earmarks help create jobs on a local and state level, which is exactly what the economy needs right now. "


Your giving us the is is argument?

I listened to the last debate, the man said it, and trying to defend them is pathetic. "

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proudliberal wrote on Mar 5, 2009 4:46 PM:

" "In a March 1 article, the Times reported that Obama made "campaign promises to put an end to the practice" of earmarks, when, in fact, as PolitiFact.com noted, Obama had actually promised to REFORM THE EARMARK PROCESS AND CUT WASTEFUL SPENDING."
The president never said he would end earmarks. There is nothing inherently evil about them, unless they are misused in a dishonest or corrupt way to further special interests. Earmarks help create jobs on a local and state level, which is exactly what the economy needs right now. "

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ODF wrote on Mar 5, 2009 4:03 PM:

" Nice diversionary tactic Mac...but is it true that stimulus bill is FREE of earmarks as Obama announced to the nation?

Didn't think so.....ROFL!! "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 3:33 PM:

" ODF said, "This guy is so whacked it's ridiculous. Did he even READ what he was signing into law? FREE OF EARMARKS???!!"


Is it true that Mitch McConnell has twice as many earmarks in the stimulus than Harry Reid does?

lol

:) "

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ODF wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:57 PM:

" "Obama last week praised the $787 billion stimulus package signed into law, telling the nation, "I'm proud that we passed a recovery plan free of earmarks...".

This guy is so whacked it's ridiculous. Did he even READ what he was signing into law? FREE OF EARMARKS???!! What dream world was he in ....and to have the "audacity" to actually say that in a speech "hoping" we actually believed it. ...and THIS is what the voters that voted for him think is going to save our country?? This goofball doesn't even know what is in the bill he signed. I wish HE would quit! "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:26 PM:

" msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:06 PM:

Marxism 101 remember?

" Our Marxists today (mac) are getting a free ride. They get a certain respect because of their words about improving worker rights and the poor (insert mentally challenged and physically unable to work :( here). But when they get power, Marxism has failed. Instead of being treated with respect and tolerance, Marxists should be treated as though they wished a deadly plague on all of us. "

We don't want your plague, 110 million dead is enough evidence that your way does not work. Whne Communism/socialism/markism doesn't work, they run to democracies, republics, and capitalism, gee I wonder why? "

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midline wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:23 PM:

" Mac , should we watch people starve ? No not kids but any adult that can dig a ditch should have to work their welfare , plain and simple .The WPA and NRA of your beloved New Deal
at least made people work for money. Obama's plan is more like Johnson's War on Poverty
food stamps and welfare "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:22 PM:

" Mac1974 the dramatic wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:07 PM:

" I have a family member who cannot work for a living due to physical and mental problems, ODF. I'll bet you know someone like that too.

You think America should be the country that sits back and watches these starve to death, or freeze to death, or die ..... because they physically and/or mentally cannot earn a living like you? We should just consider them 'unlucky'.... ?"

Who's calling who a Nazi? Who's the expert on socialism?

Shame, shame, shame on you! "

Man there's 100's of thousands of em in East St.Louis, according to mac a major epidemic of mentally and physically challenged people!!!

Drama? sheesh!!! "

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ODF wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:15 PM:

" ...and as I have posted before....I have no issue with helping to support those that truly can't do for themselves....although I do believe their family should step up to the plate and take on the majority of the burden just like folks used to do. However, what is the % of those that "can't" versus those that "won't" or simply choose not to??!! I know which is the greater majority in my opinion!!! But why do I bother...you probably support Octomom's "right" to have 14 kids and live off the state of California. "

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ODF wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:10 PM:

" Hey Mac ....you're a liberal dem and therefore don't believe in God or creation and all that hype so then you must believe in Darwin and evolution. It's called survival of the fittest. Unforunately nature isn't always kind, but it's the way it is. You can't have it both ways, you have to decide....is it Darwin and survival of the fittest or caring and compassion? LOL!!

Here's another idea...they are YOUR family member, why don't YOU take care of them instead of expecting everyone else too??? "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:07 PM:

" ODF said, "The US is now the land where you don't have to do squat to receive a check....just hold your hand out."

I have a family member who cannot work for a living due to physical and mental problems, ODF. I'll bet you know someone like that too.

You think America should be the country that sits back and watches these starve to death, or freeze to death, or die from a treatable health problem....... because they physically and/or mentally cannot earn a living like you? We should just consider them 'unlucky' and leave them to die?

Who's calling who a Nazi? Who's the expert on socialism?

Shame, shame, shame on you! "

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ODF wrote on Mar 5, 2009 12:46 PM:

" Travelin' - Only those of us that are actually working and earning a living will have a lower standard of living. Those that are sitting around doing nothing and living off the govt. now will actually have a better standard of living because the govt. will be TAKING from the working people to support those that won't. Redistribution of wealth.

The US is now the land where you don't have to do squat to receive a check....just hold your hand out. So much for being responsible, working, saving and actually EARNING your keep. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 5, 2009 12:30 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 9:53 AM:

" midline wrote, "Hey proudtobealiberal,we are not talking about who we think caused this mess" Righto! There's no need.... we all know it was the REPUBLICANS! "

This is why we don't take you seriously mac. And until people supporting both parties address the problems within, this system will continue to be one big mess. The most current winner, recognized this and ran on it (Change). It's just too bad he only ran on it, and didn't stand his ground on pork and the special intrests in his party. "

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ODF wrote on Mar 5, 2009 12:13 PM:

" You are spot on midline....they did nothing to stop the train from running down the tracks, Now that they control the Congress and the White House, spending is a RUNAWAY train that is guaranteeing ownership of this country to the Chinese. But the liberal dems are okay with that because they are for the socialist movement anyway. Gone are the days of making people WORK to earn a living...now those of us with enough personal responsibility and pride to not lay around making welfare babies are expected to support the rest. What is even sadder..those that put the US in this position have no clue what they did. "

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Travelin_Rose wrote on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 PM:

" Obama is right. He won't quit until the country is socialist and our dollar won't be accepted anywhere. Welcone "One World Government." And welcome a lower standard of living for everyone in the U.S. "

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midline wrote on Mar 5, 2009 11:52 AM:

" again mac , your boys had the lead in Congress they did nothing to stop the train from running down the tracks , you act like the executive branch makes all of the policies. The fact that you think Obama's new polices are going well, says volumes about you "

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what what wrote on Mar 5, 2009 11:09 AM:

" Economics is not an exact science. This is why there are no specific solutions that will fix this problem in our economy. Economics are based upon forecasting models similar to meteorology. How many times is the weather gotten wrong? Let me see, those who forecast the weather are specialist in the field and they are not always right. We have let the politicians become economists and have politicized the economists ideas. This does not encourage investors. Expect anything different to happen? When and if the economy stabilizes it will require great sacrifices for many years to come. Be ready for some real change. "

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what what wrote on Mar 5, 2009 11:00 AM:

" Yes, this could be laid at the feet of the Republican party but that would be a completely dishonest allusion. The problem is not one of a specific political party but of the continued support of failed policies in Washington. Dem and Reps are both at fault. We should also lay some blame at the feet of unrealistic profits of corporate America for the unrestrained speculation of future growth. It is also the uncontrolled spending of the consumers of America. We ALL contributed to this mess in one way or another. We CANNOT spend our way out of it. Now WE will reap what we have sown. We are getting real change. Is this what was expected? "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 9:53 AM:

" midline wrote, "Hey proudtobealiberal,we are not talking about who we think caused this mess"


Righto! There's no need.... we all know it was the REPUBLICANS! "

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midline wrote on Mar 5, 2009 9:01 AM:

" Hey proudtobealiberal,we are not talking about who we think caused this mess, we are talking
about what people think about OBLAMA'S plan , and the fact is as the economy gets worse he has lost 10 per cent in approval rating and how his handling this . But if I may digress on your
who caused this mess speel , who was in control of Congress the last 4 years ? I believe
your lib brothers had a slight edge, sonny . "

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waitingontheend wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:21 AM:

" Let the fat cats fall and let them live in the reality of everyday life. Nobody needs a 5M dollar mansion, planes, boats, etc. multiple homes, that is stupid and wasteful, unless you saved your money and paid for it in full then you can spend it however you want. But when it comes at the expense of people like me then I say throw them in Harlem to live. "

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waitingontheend wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:18 AM:

" That is what I say no welfare, no unemployment, and no hand outs whatsoever. Welfare breeds multiple kids (so you can collect more welfare). It is harsh, but if you can't make it on your own you shouldn't be rewarded for pooping out a bunch of kids, who in turn grow up in poverty, and usually turn to crime to make a quick buck cause they don't know any better. The only thing the government should have to spend money on is creating new jobs, in this case move forward by forging into alternative energy, so that this country becomes independent. This country does reward poor judgment. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:06 AM:

" The welfare-state came into being in the mid sixties, 10 years later we were running a defecit-sp?. Reformed in the mid 90's, and we started running surplusses, and he wants to take us back? Can't he see the relationship? All the scial I'lls that came with it, and persist to this day, drag us all down in so many ways.

Nothing in life is free, believe it, I was taught at an early age-repeatedly. As I grew older it became clear, everything has a price. Take welfare, sacrifice self esteem, and risk your kids futures as well. In this land an immigrant can thrive in the same neighborhood where welfare has been for generations, you gotta ask why-we-even-have-it? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:56 AM:

" Growing gov't, increasing entitlements, is not how you motivate a lazy underclass (unless you just want them to vote for U<----self serving). We were done with that bunch when the 90's rolled around, that why we kicked Bush I out in 1992, and the DNC congress in 1994. Clinton realized it and ogt with the program. Now Obama it reversing gears, and he thinks he's helpin these people, in reality his hurting them more, second only to Presidnet Johnson if Obama gets what he wants. Were going to find out in 2010 whether this is what is wanted, a new revolt like 92-94, or years of MALAISE until we untimately refrom it again later, we wont thrive with it. "

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waitingontheend wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:35 AM:

" I don't think we shouldn't bail anyone out I say let them fail, let the country cleanse and start over. Let the responsible rise to the top for once. "

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waitingontheend wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:32 AM:

" If I lost my job I could ride it out for at least 10 years with no unemployment help. I won't lose my farm or my new car because it all belongs to me. The government will never have to bail me out. If everyone had that sort of ethic then we wouldn't have all these bankrupts. I don't have fancy stuff I have nice stuff but it's mine. "

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waitingontheend wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:30 AM:

" Jigger - you have the right thought. If everyone would worry about their self and quite asking for handouts then we wouldn't be in this mess. But when you know you are going to get gov't bailout you go ahead and get your self in a mess. If you can't pay cash don't buy it. 30 year loans, you have no idea what will happen in 30 years. I started out with $80 in my pocket when I was 17 and have never asked for a dime and now because I saved my money invested what "I" thought "I" should do, not what someone else was telling me to do and saved my money and paid in full for everything "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:15 AM:

" Again, banking and morgage crisis, investigate it and punishing those, left right, and corperate culpable, and learn what happened. I'm all for infrastructure (trains in particular, that move commerce, and high speed for travel). I'm all for energy that reduces oil dependency. That said I'm not for attacking the one resource that runs this country at the moment (fossil fuels) as a way to get us to new energy, at least not during a major recession. We need a calm hand on the helm, not a self serving fear monger. He's blown the first six weeks, he's a smart man, lets hope he's learning and will aproach this in a more posative, less destructive manner in the near future. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:05 AM:

" proudliberal wrote on Mar 4, 2009 10:07 PM:

" "The vast majority of Americans, 84%, think the current economic conditions were inherited and not caused by President Barack Obama, according to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll to be released today." "


Not sure what your point is, I'm one of the 84%, however the last 6 weeks he has made it worse, you don't rasie taxes during a resession, you don't threaten industry with cumbersome tax burdens, you dont sign a 410 billion dollar pork laden spending bill, and you don't abandon your allies and court Hamas and Cuba. "

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Jigger wrote on Mar 5, 2009 6:57 AM:

" I don't want limits on the amount of money anyone can make. I don't want Goverment controlling my life. Get off your butt and earn a living. Get off your butt and pay for everything yourself. What has happened to the country? I don't want to depend on the Government for anything! America is the land of the free! That line doesn't mean everything is free from the Government. It means free from Government control. "

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Jigger wrote on Mar 5, 2009 6:53 AM:

" Mac1974 wrote on Mar 4, 2009 7:37 PM:
" We haven't tried Socialism as Marx defined it. No one has, so there's no way to know. "

With that statement, Mac are you saying you are for Socialism? What in the world is wrong with people in this country that are for Socialism? This is the United States of America. Go back to your history books and remember what this country is about. What we stand for. Read the Constitution. We are NOT a Socialist country. I don't want anything given to me by the Government. I don't want anyone elses money. I don't want Nationalized healthcare. "

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proudliberal wrote on Mar 4, 2009 10:07 PM:

" "The vast majority of Americans, 84%, think the current economic conditions were inherited and not caused by President Barack Obama, according to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll to be released today." "

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boscoe wrote on Mar 4, 2009 9:49 PM:

" Both parties are way wrong on many issues and the way they do business. However, I'll take the party that believes in national defense and fiscal responsibility over the tax and spend socialists. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:47 PM:

" I'll second that!! "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:26 PM:

" waitingontheend wrote "6 in 10 so the four would be - MisInd., Byron W, Amazed, and Naturally. Sorry I couldn't resist you guys are so passionate for your party. No meanness intinded :) "

Party? I only vote republican becuase they are the least of the evils not because they accurately repreent my views. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:10 PM:

" So herr mac how can you justify the murder of over a hundred million your marxist dribble has brought about, and the misery it has created for many hundreds of millions more? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:06 PM:

" Our academic and intellectual<----alleged Marxists today (mac) are getting a free ride. They get a certain respect because of their words about improving worker rights and the poor, you know---->their utopian pretensions. But when they get power, Marxism has failed. Instead of being treated with respect and tolerance, Marxists should be treated as though they wished a deadly plague on all of us. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:00 PM:

" The lesson? No one can be trusted with unlimited power. Not even the benevilent, all understanding, al powerful oz...er um Obama. "

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midline wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:00 PM:

" hey proudliberal news flash approval rating for OBlama down from 66 per cent to 60 per cent , and disapproval of his job done ,up from 16 per cent to 26 . Give it more time , more people smell this dead fish in the water plan of his ,for what it is. Has the market confidence
improved any either ? Keep drinking the dnc coolaid proudtobealiberal, Hey proud read the editorrial cartoon on your boy in this paper, the cartoonist sees him for what he is "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 7:57 PM:

" Death by Marxism is not thousands or even hundreds of thousands, but millions of deaths. It's as though the whole population of New England and the Middle Atlantic , or California and Texas, had been wiped out. And that around 35 million people ran for thier lives from Marxist countries as refugees was an unequaled vote against Marxist utopian cocarocka. Its like everyone fleeing California.

What say ye herr mac?

Oh and I was off, it's 110 million 1917 to 1987 marxism, death, not my utopia, no thank you. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 7:46 PM:

" So is Obama "trying it"?

Classic misdirection, can answer it redefine it.

I guess if nobody has tried it as the lunatic marx wrote it, then it never worked then?

Making Marx moot to history except those misguided commie experiments, whitch were marxist and have failed or violated human rights to an astranomical degree, it was tried, it has failed, just cuz they didin't get it right doesn't mean it wasn't a collosaal disaster, about a hundred million dead is all!!

Democracy has been tried too, I guess if we don't do it like the greeks, it doesn't count!!! herr mac, in a corner , no place to go!!! "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 7:39 PM:

" Mumbo jumbo, smoke and mirrors wont cut it herr mac, nice try though.......NOT!!!!

LOLROTFLMAO!! "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 7:39 PM:

" hahahahahahaha!!!!

and you can't answer the question!!!


bwahahahahahahaha!!

macs at a loss for words, I love it!!! "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 4, 2009 7:37 PM:

" We haven't tried Socialism as Marx defined it. No one has, so there's no way to know. "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 4, 2009 7:27 PM:

" msindependent wrote, "Anyone ever gonna give an example where socialism has EVER worked? ( I can only come up with Nazi Germany )"

Socialism is a set of theories developed by Marx. It cannot be misconstrued to mean anything other than what he defined it as.

With that said, Nazi Germany did NOT fit Marx's definition of Socialism. A fundamental principle of Socialism is the idea of a "classless" society. Among the numerous other reasons why Nazi Germany was not a Socialist society, they did in fact have classes.

Ms. Independent, if you oppose Socialism, that's fine.... but you cannot use a group of people who weren't Socialists to prove your point. "

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dalejrbudride wrote on Mar 4, 2009 6:02 PM:

" Be careful who you vote for,, cus they might just win.. we reap what we sow !! "

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cinnamon wrote on Mar 4, 2009 4:03 PM:

" :lol: "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 2:51 PM:

" Anyone ever gonna give an example where socialism has EVER worked?
( I can only come up with Nazi Germany )

Anyone else?

:>) "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 2:51 PM:

" I knew there were a lot of ignorant people in the country (based on the WINNER of the last election), but I thought by now they would have....

hahahahahaha yeah, it'll take time to resonate. When the higher electric bills show up, and the higher gas prices hit, we'll see. You think the hoi polloi are gonna insulate their houses and take a tax credit and be happy? Poll all you want, I hope he reads them and keeps on a going!!!

Man this is gonna be great, we'll get a good 30-40 year run out of this attempt at a socialistic utopia. "

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waitingontheend wrote on Mar 4, 2009 2:14 PM:

" 6 in 10 so the four would be - MisInd., Byron W, Amazed, and Naturally. Sorry I couldn't resist you guys are so passionate for your party. No meanness intinded :) "

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proudliberal wrote on Mar 4, 2009 1:58 PM:

" "WASHINGTON - After Barack Obama's first six weeks as president, the American public's attitudes about the two political parties couldn't be more different, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds.

Despite the country's struggling economy and vocal opposition to some of his policies, President Obama's favorability rating is at an all-time high. Two-thirds feel hopeful about his leadership and six in 10 approve of the job he's doing in the White House."

Speaks for itself. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 9:52 AM:

" I think it's odd for the DNC to have a campaign, right after an election where they held the house and senate and took the whitehouse, against a radio host. They act like a scorned woman, vindictive, mean, even sacraficing poor kids in DC while Obama's kids go to private schools. You'd think they'd work on jobs, economy, and helping the poor. Forcasting higher electric bills, thanks a lot. The fixed incomers are gonna love that!

They sure have the right pulling together, and energized. Can't wait till 2010, it's gonna be fun watching house seats drop in the dozens for the GOP.

I just hope Palosi and Reed don't try and stop him or his policies. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 9:31 AM:

" waitingontheend wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:26 AM:

" I am prob going to catch hell for this but isn't Rush just a prescription pill popping loud mouth. I can't believe you guys hang on his words...blah-blah-blah"

Wait if we were really so lock step with Rush, Perrot wouldn't have gotten 30% in 1992, and Romney would have been the nominee in 2008...doh!!

On the addiction, dissapointing, facts are facts, I think he has a few other problems as well. Can't seem to hang onto a wife, and the trips to Haiti reek of prosititutes or other sorted activity. On the posative side he's given MILLIONS to support troops/families, and cancer research, he's done quite a bit of charity work. "

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ODF wrote on Mar 4, 2009 9:15 AM:

" Rush is a celebrity...just like Michael Moore, Howard Stern, etc.. His intent is to inflame, from a position the right, just like Moore does from the left. Anyone that "hangs" on Rush's words I give about as much creedence to as I do someone that hangs on the words of the Baldwin brothers, Madonna or any other goofy left coast celebrity. Inform yourself, think for yourself and decide for yourself. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 9:12 AM:

" Obama closing voucher program for students in DC crime riddled school system.

Teacher union lobbyists one, poor kids zero.

Union bosses, NEA bureaucrats...CHANGE we can believe in.

The audacity of hope, not anymore, not if your a poor kid in DC. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:45 AM:

" yawn. "

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whatinthe wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:26 AM:

" Ya we need bush back in office that would fix all of our problems he fixed the economy before he could do it again hey at least we were safe so we could go broke starv our kids retire when we are 90 and oh ya thats the reason we have obama in office any how the not so gop did such a great job slander the new pres. for the old pres. problem thats how we do things in the great usa i say give it some time not everything the dems do i agree with but neither with the reps they both do stupid things "

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waitingontheend wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:26 AM:

" I am prob going to catch hell for this but isn't Rush just a prescription pill popping loud mouth. I can't believe you guys hang on his words but if he was the common street punk you would be talking him down. Because he wants Obama to fail you hang on his every word. Just curious what makes his dope addiction special? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 7:22 AM:

" Mac1974 channelling cinnamon wrote on Mar 4, 2009 6:36 AM:

" Ms. Independent said, "MSNBC used the word maliase last night WOW. "

No Ms. I.... it was "malaise" "

Only a far left wing Jimmy Carter liberal would know the correct spelling of that word, thanks herr mac, I stand corrected. "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 4, 2009 6:36 AM:

" Ms. Independent said, "MSNBC used the word maliase last night WOW. "

No Ms. I.... it was "malaise" "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 4, 2009 6:35 AM:

" Amazed said, "Thanks for you stupidy and ignorance mac"


Stupidy Amazed? Oh come on. If your going to insult my intelligence, at least make sure you're spelling your words correctly. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 6:30 AM:

" "I don't get caught up in the day to day gyrations of the stock market" Barrack Obama 3/3/09

Really? When it drops 30% in the last six weeks, and 50% of the country has their retirement in the stock market, 401k's etc, you better start watching Mr. President.

Sheesh, can't he even fake it?

I think I'd go into shock if he said something posative....anything. Hope, Change? Yeah right. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 4, 2009 6:23 AM:

" P-diddle, I'm more concerned with his support of Hamas, coiurting Cuba, snubbing Great Britain, than the budget, this guy is really starting to look like a third world socialist. He sure doesn't appear to have our best interests at heart.

As-far-as-the-poor-goes, telling us we can expect higher electric bills, that's not gonna be a hardship on anyone but the poor. I was hopeful he was serious about earmarks, and controlling spending, thats gone too.

I don't think he could have done anything else up to this point to make things worse or to have people worrying more, I thought he was supposed to inspire us like Kennedy.

MSNBC used the word maliase last night WOW. "

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AMAZED wrote on Mar 4, 2009 3:47 AM:

" Since Rush has been brought up I cant help but notice how the messiah and his administration and their press minions have played this bigtime, in an attempt to marginalize Republicans, who, rightly so, oppose the destruction of our country.

I notice questions to Republicans are; do you agree with Rush?
However, no one asks the democrats if they agree with Michael Moore, who is much
more the face of the democrat party, than Rush is the face of the Republican party.

I also notice in is his drug addled condition, mac has no clue of the conditions in Isreal, much less what a ten year old suicide bomber is.

Thanks for you stupidy and ignorance mac. The real democrat face. "

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midline wrote on Mar 4, 2009 3:03 AM:

" gabba gabba says, most Obama supporters are not lefties" What are you smoking ?
Then why does just about every news magazine refer to this as a mandate for liberals
Read some will you ? "

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midline wrote on Mar 4, 2009 3:01 AM:

" oh yeah also Mac, you are soo right the Israeli's are much worse terrorists and human beings than the Hamas and Hezbollah, you are something else, what else I'm not sure "

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midline wrote on Mar 4, 2009 2:58 AM:

" yep mac is a liberal (I mean rebel) with one cause , his own, keep drinking Oblama's
koolaid , it will taste better eventually. Kind of like that koolaid they gave you as new cub scout, bobcat blood, just koolaid without sugar, definately supposed to be something it isn't "

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p-diddle wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:54 PM:

" I am always amazed at socialists...they are so partisan with their spending of other people's money.

Bush spends $800 mil. = bad
Obidiot spends $3 tril. = good

The bottom line, you Obidiot fans should be ashamed of yourselves. You cheer for the stealing from your own children and grandchildren, so that you can be given something you didn't earn, for the express purpose of buying your vote.

And you are proud of it!? Sick stuff.

When you see your grandkids this weekend, you should apologize, although the damage has already been done.

What do you care, you'll be room temperature by the time they have to pay it off right? "

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p-diddle wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:46 PM:

" late to the party...

wow Mac...I knew you were a socialist, but an anti-semite too???

you're the whole disgusting package aren't you? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:45 PM:

" Sad bait mac. I'll forgo the statistics on suicide bombs, your being silly. "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:32 PM:

" Ms. Ind. said, "Yeah and then there's the human bombs they put on buses and in clubs, or crowded restaurant thing, specifically tarketing civilians, unlike Israel, who tries to avoid collateral damage, oh but if Israel kills one child by accident,"


lololololol yeah..... some raggedy Palestinian fires a homemade M-80 attached to a large bottle rocket toward Israel and it puts a chip in the sidewalk.

What's Israels reaction?

Drop a bunker buster on a children's hospital in the over-crowded Gaza Strip.

Yeah, it's CNN"s fault they got a bad name for that. "

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dalejrbudride wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:29 PM:

" NEVER MIND ABOUT GETTING YOUR KIDS A DOG,,YOBAMA...GET US SOME WORK, YOUR KIDS WILL EAT,, WHETHER YOU HAVE A DOG OR NOT,, OUR KIDS CAN NOT EAT WITHOUTH JOBS... DO YOUR JOB !!! "

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dalejrbudride wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:20 PM:

" don't know about the rest of you, but i (we) can still not hire any more employees as a result of Yo Bammas terrific economic stimulus plan,,, in fact i..we are going to a 4 day work week .. that is 3 ,, 8 hour shifts,, not 4 .. 10 hour shifts,, but we are thankful, we still have a job with 32 hours per week.. isn't that sad,, in this time of "economic stimulus ".??, how do i tell the productive, hard working single mother of 2 little kids this ? GO BAMMA.. SOO SADDD "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:08 PM:

" Mac1974 in denial and back peddling wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:01 PM:


and you and I both know that is exactly why Hamas and Hezbollah are considered terrorists by some Americans........... because they oppose Israel. "

Yeah and then there's the human bombs they put on buses and in clubs, or crowded restaurant thing, specifically tarketing civilians, unlike Israel, who tries to avoid collateral damage, oh but if Israel kills one child by accident, it will be on CNN along with a liberal tear jerker story line. "

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boscoe wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:04 PM:

" Did you watch the video at the link I posted? "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:01 PM:

" boscoe wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:55 PM:
" "...you and I both know that is exactly why Hamas and Hezbollah are considered terrorists by some Americans........... because they oppose Israel. "


So, what is the point you are trying to make here? "


I don't always agree with you Boscoe, but at least you're honest. "

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boscoe wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:55 PM:

" "...you and I both know that is exactly why Hamas and Hezbollah are considered terrorists by some Americans........... because they oppose Israel. "


So, what is the point you are trying to make here? "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:47 PM:

" Ms, Independent said, "mac, who apparently enjoys beheadings, oppressed women, sick punishment like hands being cut off, honor killings"

lol, Ms. Ind. Hezbollah and Hamas both publicly condemn beheadings, and I'm not sure about the hands...... but I highly doubt that's true.

Look, I'm not going to defend them. I'm going to say this. Contrary to what you've heard from the likes of conservative radio, terrorists aren't defined by their level of acceptance of Israel.... and you and I both know that is exactly why Hamas and Hezbollah are considered terrorists by some Americans........... because they oppose Israel. "

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dalejrbudride wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:42 PM:

" very funny,,, glad yo bamma has found someone else he can compare himself to (JFK) was getting very tired of him comparing himself to pres. abraham lincoln "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:29 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote "It is difficult to impossible for one who is educated to truly label Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations. "

You have said some crazy things but this one must be the craziest. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:28 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote "Never is it so easy to understand the true meaning of "One man's terroist is another man's freedom fighter" as it is when someone is discussing Hesbollah and/or Hamas.

It is only easy to understand if your moral compass is broken. Get a knew one Mac. They are expensive but it can be done. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:23 PM:

" ODF wrote"What I find aggravating is Wall Streets' reaction...."oh, well it wasn't enough for them" , "it wasn't specific enough", "they wanted more money", etc.."

That isn't Wall Street talking that is the press. "

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boscoe wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:19 PM:

" A little refresher history lesson for you:

www[DOT]terrorismawareness[DOT]org/what-really-happened/ "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:18 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote "Most supporters of Obama are not all "crazy lefties" - most of us simply want a leader that can actually think and reason."

You don't have one. You have a man with an extreme ideology that trumps any reason he may possess. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:17 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote "A brief refresher on just how we got to where we are: Republican President Bush spent how much money to invade, destroy and occupy Iraq? For what gain? To control the flow of oil? That worked out well...

A drop in the bucket. What the rela problem is is domestic spending. Get your facts straight. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:15 PM:

" jclocal wrote "Some of the best decisions made were from the heart, not thinking about it."

You can't run government that way. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:15 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:33 PM:

" The shah's father had no just right to being "shah". He was an army officer that came to power through a coup. The shah's father abdicated in 1941 leaving him in "power" though the prime minister was the real political power. Eisenhower authorized the operation to de-throne him giving the shah all the power which he used to crush all opposition, including arresting religous leaders. This was "our" boy in the middle east.

Oh and he may haver been "our boy" he sure wasn't president at the time. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 5:49 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:33 PM:

" The shah's father had no just right to being "shah". He was an army officer that came to power through a coup. The shah's father abdicated in 1941 blah blah blah. "

Gabba he had as much right as the Ottoman empire (concourers of the region) puppet that was in place before him, sheesh, read would ya?

I gave you the lead into Reagan and arms, go with it man!!! :>) "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 5:46 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:19 PM:

" Your trying to blame Afganistan on Reagan? Really? hahahahahahahahahaha! That's a revisionist attempt even the DNC wouldn't touch. "

You are trying to put words into my mouth, I didn't blame Afganistan on Reagen, I was pointing out that the Soviet invasion was mostly during his administration and not Carter. Unlike you, I don't Google everything and then copy and paste. I work from my brain and past experiences.

And I was providing an answer to the question that came from your scull full of mush. :)
You should try googling, you might come up with Reagan and when he was president doh!!! "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 5:43 PM:

" Mac1974's liberal controlled mind wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:45 PM:

" One man's terroist is another man's freedom fighter" as it is when someone is discussing Hesbollah and/or Hamas.

I recently heard someone say, "A terrorist organization is deemed so solely due to the small size of their army," and I wholeheartedly agree.

It is difficult to impossible for one who is educated to truly label Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations. "


See what I mean gabba, mind controlled, total left wing nuttiness from the herr mac, who apparently enjoys beheadings, oppressed women, sick punishment like hands being cut off, honor killings, how coulnd any person support this unless they have been brain washed? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 5:40 PM:

" Gabba explain that one? I live in the real world, no mind control from the social engineers of the last 35 years . Why wouldn't we want to be friends with the Shah? doh!!! And in hindsight doh!!!! doh!!!!! "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:45 PM:

" Ms. Independent said, "Considering the support insurgents groups in Iraq as well as terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah"

Never is it so easy to understand the true meaning of "One man's terroist is another man's freedom fighter" as it is when someone is discussing Hesbollah and/or Hamas.

I recently heard someone say, "A terrorist organization is deemed so solely due to the small size of their army," and I wholeheartedly agree.

It is difficult to impossible for one who is educated to truly label Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations. "

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GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:33 PM:

" The shah's father had no just right to being "shah". He was an army officer that came to power through a coup. The shah's father abdicated in 1941 leaving him in "power" though the prime minister was the real political power. Eisenhower authorized the operation to de-throne him giving the shah all the power which he used to crush all opposition, including arresting religous leaders. This was "our" boy in the middle east. This is democratic government that Carter should have been supporting? Explain that one. "

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GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:19 PM:

" Your trying to blame Afganistan on Reagan? Really? hahahahahahahahahaha! That's a revisionist attempt even the DNC wouldn't touch. "

You are trying to put words into my mouth, I didn't blame Afganistan on Reagen, I was pointing out that the Soviet invasion was mostly during his administration and not Carter. Unlike you, I don't Google everything and then copy and paste. I work from my brain and past experiences.

You can't blame Carter for all of our problems in the middle-east that is just too simplistic. Did our history there start in 1976? No. Google that then. Try reading about Iran's history and see where we fit in. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:13 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:52 PM:

" Why not blame Eisenhower, wasn't he president when the Shah of Iran was installed as our "puppet" in Iran.

No, FDR was, and he was in power as a result of the Ottoman empire collapse ( W W I ). His father was the Shah before him and abdicated when the soviets invaded in 1941, putting jr. in charge. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:05 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:48 PM:

You are also copying and pasting from somewhere so you are not an original thinker.

It's history gabba, I should reinvent the wheel? And I did not copy and paste, I researched and clarified my position and posted. So we agree on Carter then? Or at least you disagree with history, and the facts concerning Carter and his poor middle-east policies and the reprecussions we still live with today? Facts are facts, Carter's peace prize considering the death toll since, and the continued count is ironic. I guess you just have to have good intentions to win that. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 4:00 PM:

" Afgan war began in August of 1978 - 8 - Reagan 1981 .....1978 I think we can say Reagan didn't have anything to do with the instability in our foriegn policy that emboldend the Soviets to attack. Now you want to talk arms and wheel and deal after ok. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:55 PM:

" I blame mother's milk it lead to everything. hahahahahahahaha!!!!

Get real, Carter's policies and the disasters it's caused is in the history books. Eisenhour hoot!! "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:53 PM:

" Your trying to blame Afganistan on Reagan? Really? hahahahahahahahahaha! That's a revisionist attempt even the DNC wouldn't touch. "

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GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:52 PM:

" Why not blame Eisenhower, wasn't he president when the Shah of Iran was installed as our "puppet" in Iran. I find it hard to say that supporting the Shah was ever the right thing to do, he had very little "right" to that title. His father was in the Iranian army became the leader of Iran through a coup and set himself up as the "shah" with his son the successor. In the post-WWII aftermath, Ike re-installed the Shah to keep Iran out of the USSRs hands. Don't you think that contributed to their hatred/mistrust of the West? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:52 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:48 PM:

" I understand the Iran-Hezbollah linkage but the invasion of Afganistan was started in 1980 when Reagen was elected and Carter was a lame duck. Rumsfeld worked at DOD in the Reagen administration and he set Saddam up with weapons, etc. So as you say, I reject your Carter-Iraq line of reasoning. BTW, Iran-Hamas-Hezbollah is not al-Qeida nor are they related.

Carter haddn't lost yet, Reagan took office in Jan 1981 sheesh! "

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GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:48 PM:

" I understand the Iran-Hezbollah linkage but the invasion of Afganistan was started in 1980 when Reagen was elected and Carter was a lame duck. Rumsfeld worked at DOD in the Reagen administration and he set Saddam up with weapons, etc. So as you say, I reject your Carter-Iraq line of reasoning. BTW, Iran-Hamas-Hezbollah is not al-Qeida nor are they related.

You are also copying and pasting from somewhere so you are not an original thinker.

Have you seen Gaza? It is completely destroyed. They don't have access to the basic necessities of life such as water, food, medecine or electricity. Is it right to treat them worse than animals? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:35 PM:

" Maybe it's an Iranian supplied shell used by Hezbollah to attack Israel. Or an Iraqi insurgent trained by Iran to make bombs. We must not forget the endless supply of suicide bombers in the, Al Qeada network. The fact is that these murderers exist today, not because George Bush made mistakes in Iraq, but because Jimmy Carter failed in Iran as well as turning U.S. foreign policy into a doormat for anyone to step on.

And now Jimmy Carter II sends 900 million to Hamas to "rebuild". Whatchathink they gonna rebuild gabba? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:28 PM:

" Alright-one-last-tidbit.

The aftermath of Carter's Iran debacle is still present. The lives lost, as a result of his incompetence in dealing with Iran before, during, and after the Islamic Revolution is far greater than the current turmoil in Iraq. Considering the support insurgents groups in Iraq as well as terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah get from Iran, Carter's mistakes as President are still costing lives all over the Middle-East.

The Shah ran a secular government and established excellent relations with the West, which included the recognition of the state of Israel. He also believed in the equality of woman which he expressed publicly in an interview. These reasons were the heart and soul of the disdain of the Mulahs. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:22 PM:

" Carter's indecisiveness and incompetence became obvious to the rest of the World. The Soviet Union took advantage of Carter. They invaded Afghanistan, beginning an attempted power grab aimed at eventual Soviet takeovers in Iran and Pakistan. Carter's response to the invasion of Afghanistan was the U.S. boycott of the 1980 Olympic games held in Moscow. Need anymore?

Thus endith the history lesson for today. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:21 PM:

" When the Ayatollah took power in February of 1979, the Shah held over 3,000 political prisoners, most of them spies or informants for the Soviet Union. The Ayatollah did not release them as expected. He deemed them "godless Communists" and placed them up against walls alongside more than 20,000 pro-Western Iranians and murdered them all by firing squads. Women were sent back into servitude. Citizens were arrested for owning satellite dishes and viewing Western programs. And, of course, American diplomats were taken hostage.

Carter. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:14 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:50 PM:

" msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:17 PM:

Please explain how Iraq is Carter's problem. I'm curious. "

Carter, not supporting our puppet rejime in Iran (the Shah) caused a power vaccum. Saddam was willing to fill it. It's been unstable since. 2 million killed during the power struggle between the 2 ....Comprende? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:12 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:50 PM:

" msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:17 PM:

So why do you continue to blame Obama for the economy tanking? Your stance is hypocritical to say the least but really more disingenous. And you also said you "disagreed with the Bushes fiscally" so then, to be as you say "intellectually honest", do agree that W. spent or fiscally "wasted" 100s of Billions of dollars buying Iraq?Please explain how Iraq is Carter's problem. I'm curious. "

The point is I'm living in the now. I blame Bush for not holding the spending line when democrats were controlling the congress. I reject your premise on Iraq, he protected us. "

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ODF wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:05 PM:

" ....also noted, the legislation includes 14 earmarks requested by lawmakers for projects sought by PMA Group, a lobbying company at the center of a federal corruption investigation.

Gee, I wonder WHO those "lawmakers" are.....and it's about typical of the liberal media to just refer to them as "lawmakers" and not name names or political affiliiations. Wanna take any bets on which side of the aisle they sit? "

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ODF wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:01 PM:

" ...and Obama quit sticking to his campaign promises the day he took the oath....both of them!! LOL!! "

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ODF wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:00 PM:

" The Senate voted overwhelmingly to preserve thousands of earmarks in a $410 billion spending bill....McCain's attempt to strip out an estimated 8,500 earmarks failed on a vote of 63-32. The Arizona senator's proposal also would have cut roughly $32 billion from the measure.

Welp....so much for change. As usual, hype and spin landed a politician the Whitehouse and once in there they abandon their campaign promises. What happened to Obama's promise of going through spending bills line by line and eliminating the pork??? Just more of the same ole, same ole from Washington. Change?? I think not. "

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ODF wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:53 PM:

" Oh...and Obama might want to take a look around....we are quickly becoming a nation of quitters. Folks quit their job to live off welfare and disability. Folks quit paying their bills and expects Obama to save them from their own stupidity. Folks have quit taking any responsibiltity for their own actions. People have started voting based on media hype and not based on knowledge of candidate's position on the issues.

Yep, seems to me we have become a nation of quitters. "

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GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:50 PM:

" msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:17 PM:

Yeah the blame game doesn't help anyone, plenty of blame for the left as well, no point here at all. "

So why do you continue to blame Obama for the economy tanking? Your stance is hypocritical to say the least but really more disingenous. And you also said you "disagreed with the Bushes fiscally" so then, to be as you say "intellectually honest", do agree that W. spent or fiscally "wasted" 100s of Billions of dollars buying Iraq? And we wonder why our economy is bankrupt? Not to mention his friends in the oil business that profited greatly.

Please explain how Iraq is Carter's problem. I'm curious. "

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ODF wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:22 PM:

" What I find amusing/entertaining is every time Obama talks about everything he's doing to rescue the economic situation and/or Wall Street, stocks continue to tank....and often at a greater rate.

What I find aggravating is Wall Streets' reaction...."oh, well it wasn't enough for them" , "it wasn't specific enough", "they wanted more money", etc.. Those idjits got us into this mess by playing fast and loose with the rules and cooking the books. Then when our stupid politicians throw money at them, Wall Street acts like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum and demanding more $$. Bailing out these companies is the WRONG approach...but sadly nobody sees it that way. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:16 PM:

" JC, if he causes a recovery, I'll be glad to credit him. If he causes further turmoil and financial hardship over the next few years, I hope a few of U can step up and say the Emperor has no clothes. I have enjoyed our tussle JC, thank you.


oh......PALIN 2012 :>) "

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boscoe wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:10 PM:

" The Dow hasn't stopped dropping since the election. How much longer until it hits zero? "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:57 PM:

" MsIndep, while I agree to disagree.....I will say I like your fire :) "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:52 PM:

" Well, I wasn't expecting an ephiphany. I rest my case, the bellies are still up at the coolaid stand. JC they should address it, ignoring it is causing more turmoil. Crazy spending bills, and no reasurance has caused the crisis since January. A recession is inevitable, creating fear to pass your agenda is irresponsible, and has prolonged the downside, now I'd say were looking at all of 2009, and if he get what he wants 2011 would be another recession with a modest unstable fragile recovery in 2010.

Mac....whats the point, lame bait, feel free to join the discussion....ANYTIME. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:44 PM:

" Ms IndepenDENT wrote "be intellectually honest and admit his inaction and green treasury appointment are tanking the economy."

The economy was tanking long before Obama took office, this has been a problem that has been materializing for a couple of years. Do you honestly think Obama is going to turn it all around with one appointment to give the market confidence? Heck no he's not, it took time to get us here, and its going to take time to get us out of if. Just unfortunately looks like its going to get worse before it gets better. Hang on tight....... "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:17 PM:

" Ms. Independent asked, "is this the thinking and reason you voted for? "


What is........... "YES" ...... Alex?



My only complaint so far is that Obama's pandering to the right too much. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:37 PM:

" Byron and I went balistic with eachother over abortion a few weeks ago, honest disagreement. I happened to support not ever going back to back alley abortions, as much as I am disgusted with abortion on pricipal, Byron chooses to stand on principal, and forgo reality (and I understand that position). Honesty, now your turn, you give an example, lets here what you agree on with a Bush, A Byron, or Reagan. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:32 PM:

" jclocal mispelled on Mar 3, 2009 12:22 PM:

" Ms Indep you should really reconsider your username.......Independant hardly fits in your title "

indepenDENT

Sure it does, when the right messes up , I've expressed my disapointment, it's called honesty, I'd like one of you to admit your disapointed with Obama's actions, or a part, instead of jack booting along with the rest of the coolair drinkers, be intellectually honest and admit his inaction and green treasury appointment are tanking the economy.

I support Nixon, he's doing great, happy to say it. Can't stand Blunt, and was dissapointed with both Bushes fiscally. Let here how fair and balanced you are JC yocal. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:27 PM:

" And now, while not addressing the stock market he gives 900 million to Hamas to "rebuild".

hmmm, I wonder if it's because they are muslims? or is this just misguided, bad timing liberal charity?

Snubs our greatest allies Great Britain. Sends the Churchhill statue back to GB, he's against the man who saved the world from Hitler in the last century?

Getting a little kookie, supports terrorists, rejects democracies....what say my liberal friends, is this all good for us and the world, is this the thinking and reason you voted for? "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:22 PM:

" Ms Indep you should really reconsider your username.......Independant hardly fits in your title "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:20 PM:

" Ms Indep said "No it was done to make us safer"

How so? How are we any safer than say Sept 10th 2001? A disaster could strike at anytime, anyone that wants to do it bad enough is going to. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:19 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:05 PM:

Most supporters of Obama are not all "crazy lefties" - most of us simply want a leader that can actually think and reason. "

You really think it's working out well? You happy or can you admit it's getting a little worrisome?

All that brain, and this is all he does with it? "

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ODF wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:18 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:05 PM:

Most supporters of Obama are not all "crazy lefties" - most of us simply want a leader that can actually think and reason.

Selling this country to China and creating a debt that our great grandchildren can never pay off defies all logical thought and reason. Spending BILLIONS of dollars to prop up failing companies defies all logic and reason. Spending a TRILLON dollars, then submitting a 3 TRILLION $$ budget and then trying to hold yourself up as a fiscal responsible politician defies all logic and reason. If you want a leader that can think and reason, then you better kick Obama to the curb, because he isn't it. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:17 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:05 PM:

" A brief refresher on just how we got to where we are:
The financial markets were de-regulated under Clinton though BOTH houses of congress were controlled by the Republicans with the votes to override any veto. The Bush administration totally vacated the responsibility of REGULATING them. So you have fewer regulations and less enforcement...do the math, it adds up to disaster which is where we stand today.

Yeah the blame game doesn't help anyone, plenty of blame for the left as well, no point here at all. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:16 PM:

" GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:05 PM:

" A brief refresher on just how we got to where we are:

Republican President Bush spent how much money to invade, destroy and occupy Iraq? For what gain? To control the flow of oil? That worked out well...

No it was done to make us safer, oil of course is part of the equation, we haven't taken any though, and remember it was Carter that started all this mess. "

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GabbaGabbaHey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:05 PM:

" A brief refresher on just how we got to where we are:

Republican President Bush spent how much money to invade, destroy and occupy Iraq? For what gain? To control the flow of oil? That worked out well...

The financial markets were de-regulated under Clinton though BOTH houses of congress were controlled by the Republicans with the votes to override any veto. The Bush administration totally vacated the responsibility of REGULATING them. So you have fewer regulations and less enforcement...do the math, it adds up to disaster which is where we stand today.

Most supporters of Obama are not all "crazy lefties" - most of us simply want a leader that can actually think and reason. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 11:31 AM:

" Yeah, um, we want them to THINK. If I put a carbon tax on business it will reetard commerce - THINK If I say I'm going to bring change, not accept pork barrell bills, then sign one, what does that look like? - THINK If the economy is struggling and I add a two trillion dollar burden to tax payers, will that help - THINK If I hire a green kid with tax problems to handle the treasury and ecomomy will he scare the Markets if he just sits there are says ho-hum while it - THINK

PALIN 2012 - Fiscal responsibility, proven leader, took on and won with her own parties corruption. T-H-I-N-K "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 11:22 AM:

" jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:52 AM:

"Some of the best decisions made were from the heart, not thinking about it. It tends to happen that people think too much and the outcome is totally skewed of what they were going for. Now dont take that as I dont think people should think about any descison, because its good, to a POINT. "

Were off to see the wizard the wonderful wizard of oz.... "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:53 AM:

" LOL, Palin 2012..............

Why dont you stand behind Joe the Plumber, I heard he wants to lead the GOP and wants to run in 2012 HAHA..... "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:52 AM:

" Byron wrote "That 200 million don't think, they feel. They ere not taught to think. The left doesn't want people to think. Thinking leads to the inescapable conclusion that the left wing is not rational. "

Some of the best decisions made were from the heart, not thinking about it. It tends to happen that people think too much and the outcome is totally skewed of what they were going for. Now dont take that as I dont think people should think about any descison, because its good, to a POINT. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:36 AM:

" Obama received 69 million votes, not 200 million. and Mcmummy got 60 million.

PALIN 2012 "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:49 AM:

" jclocal wrote "That may be, but there are over 200 million other people that think otherwise. "

That 200 million don't think, they feel. They ere not taught to think. The left doesn't want people to think. Thinking leads to the inescapable conclusion that the left wing is not rational. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:38 AM:

" Amazed said "There are 56 million of us who actually miss having a president to run this country. "

That may be, but there are over 200 million other people that think otherwise. "

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AMAZED wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:11 AM:

" In Barack Obama the Democrats have a communicator to nearly match the great communicator himself. Like Ronald Reagan, Obama's body language is non-threatening. His rhetoric reassures with its reasonableness and comforting cadence.

The difference is that with Reagan, America got policies and initiatives that accurately matched his words. With Obama, his words in no way match his actions. His lips say moderation, his actions say spend, tax and expand government.

American Spectator "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:41 AM:

" Mac1974 wrote "Anyone watching the fight between Michael Steele and Rush Limbaugh lately?"

What do you expect? And Limbaugh won. Steele apologized for his remarks. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:39 AM:

" unreconstructed wrote "This guy is nothing more than a fraud. His whole game plan is nothing more than a continued campaign. "Governing from the center", he campaigned on.... hah!, once a liar, always a liar."

I think we need to consider what Obama's goal is. It may be that he wants to destroy America. His radical friends do. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:37 AM:

" jclocal wrote "Difference between them Ms Indep is they willingly bowed out, Palin's was brought into the spotlight to get it taken care of."

Can you say Geitner? And then there is Ron Kirk. And of course Palin had a legitmate dispute over the taxability of the payments. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:34 AM:

" jclocal respondedn to "PALIN 2012 " with "Hehehe... dont you think she should pay the state of Alaska all her back taxes before she "runs" for President? Unbelievable lol "

What is unbelivable is how hypocritcal you lefties are. How many of Obama's appointment have had tax problems? And one big one was confirmed. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:29 AM:

" Mac1974 wrote "It was REPUBLICANS who incessantly went on and on and on for 2 years about Barack Obama being the MOST liberal person/politician on the planet. Oh trust me, they made sure EVERY AMERICAN knew just how LIBERAL he was."

And Obama and his folks lied about not being that extreme. They made sure enough believed believed the lie. Fools and the uninformed elected Obama. No some of the fools are realizing just how foolish they were and many more are becoming informed. Enjoy your time Mac, because it will be over sooner than you think. "

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Travelin_Rose wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:28 AM:

" Obama is right. He isn't a quitter. He won't quit until our country's currency isn't accepted by any other country. Then that will be the end of the United States as we know it. Socialism will replace a Representative Republic. Some type of world currency will replace the dollar and we won't be able to print more money as we need it either. Yes, he's right. He isn't a quitter. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:26 AM:

" jclocal wrote "We are not quitting, Iraq has....we are far from safe, and our presence in Iraq hasnt contributed to that."

I agree we aren't quitting Iraq. We havd succeeded to a large degree. But we are keeping 50,000 troops there. And Iraq has done nothing to make us less safe. What has made us less safe is electing a pansy as commander-in-chief. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:57 AM:

" Cater showed them kindness, and we ended up in a hostage crisis for a year and a half, a bloody war that killed two million (Iraq/Iran), we lost the Panama Canal, really all the current instability we have experienced lately is at Carter's feet, it all started when he let the Shah of Iran be overthrown, creating a power vaccum.

You gotta wonder what Obama's weakness will cause and how long we will feel the effects? Not gonna build a defensive missle shield in europe, that's an ominous start. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:50 AM:

" It will happen for two reasons.

1) The memory in this country is about as long as a sit-com.

2) The resolve and memory in the east lasts centuries.

God help us all if they ever match our tech, they will slaughter us wholesale.

You go sing kumbya with the middle east JC, they'll listen, but by sunset they'll be playing soccer with your head and laughing. Kumbya swat!!! lulululululululu! "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:46 AM:

" jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:33 AM:

" Jigger said "Then why are we quiting in Iraq?"

We are not quitting, Iraq has drained our country of money and resources, and what do we have to show for it? Gonna say we are safer and havent been attacked? Yes, while that might be true, we are far from safe,.... "

We're not quitting, the democrats are. Safer, safe, whatever, the eastern culture only understands one thing, force. We'll show our weakness, and you watch what they do when they see that. Or have we forgotten the Cole, 2 embasie bombings, the towers, the innocent lives in PA, our pentagon? That's what showing weakness will get you. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:33 AM:

" Jigger said "Then why are we quiting in Iraq?"

We are not quitting, Iraq has drained our country of money and resources, and what do we have to show for it? Gonna say we are safer and havent been attacked? Yes, while that might be true, we are far from safe, and our presence in Iraq hasnt contributed to that. American is finally just cutting their losses, something we should have done 6 or 7 years ago. "

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joytotheworld wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:04 AM:

" Lol... this idiot is falling flat on his face. I hope most of you that voted for him got your stimulus check before this economy went totally downhill...lololololol. "

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Jigger wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:56 AM:

" The headline says.... Obama tells nation: 'We are not quitters'
Then why are we quiting in Iraq? "

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kingfishstevens wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:54 AM:

" Mac1974 wrote on Mar 2, 2009 7:15 PM:

" Anyone watching the fight between Michael Steele and Rush Limbaugh lately?

No mac the subject is Obama and his broken campaign promise on pork barrell spending, nice try though. "

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Barks wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:12 AM:

" For the dummies down there , Alaska does not have a state income tax . We are living off all that OIL MONEY , LOL ,Ha Ha . Also Palin will not have to pay Alaska taxes . "

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Mel R wrote on Mar 2, 2009 10:44 PM:

" Why don't all you card-carrying liberals foot the bill for all of these pork projects. Leave the rest of us out of it!! If you're so all fired up to support this lunacy, what's wrong with having just the Obama supporters pay for it? I bet the liberals would be scrambling to hide their banners in the closet in a hurry!!! On a similar note, I think the Hollywood far-left loons should offer up their extra bedrooms and estates for the homeless. They would hide the banners in a hurry too!

I think me, Byron and msindependent could become great friends!!! "

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Mel R wrote on Mar 2, 2009 10:37 PM:

" By the way..something that has always bothered me. The liberals seem to get the terms 'right' and 'guarantee' confused. For instance, every American has the 'right' to own their own home. But that is NOT a 'guarantee'. It comes with hard work and responsibility. Every American has the 'right' to have children and raise a family. But it is NOT a 'guarantee'. In other words, don't have kids if you can't afford them!!!! It's not up to the American taxpayers to subsidize poor judgement in ANY situation. I could go on and on...this is the kind of stuff that is ruining us!! "

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Mel R wrote on Mar 2, 2009 10:23 PM:

" It's weird that Mac told me to let the blame go a couple of days ago, but I've seen several more rants blaming everything on the last 8 years.

I just don't understand how any sane person can look at what's happening and still support this guy. He clearly stated in campaign interviews that the age of earmarks was over and he would go line by line in scrutinizing every one of them. So you liberals really think 1.8 million for studying swine odor and manure management is good for stimulating our economy? And there are another 8,999 earmark examples just like it!!! And even more in the new bill!!!!! "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 2, 2009 7:15 PM:

" Anyone watching the fight between Michael Steele and Rush Limbaugh lately?


I'm the leader of the Republican party... No, I'm the leader...... No, I'm the leader...... No, I'm the leader. I want Obama to fail and you're supporting him..... No, I want him to fail.... No, I'm the leader of the GOP...... lolol


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

hahahahaaaaahahaaa "

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midline wrote on Mar 2, 2009 6:32 PM:

" hello anyone in here "

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unreconstructed wrote on Mar 2, 2009 4:15 PM:

" This guy is nothing more than a fraud. His whole game plan is nothing more than a continued campaign. "Governing from the center", he campaigned on.... hah!, once a liar, always a liar. "

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unreconstructed wrote on Mar 2, 2009 4:13 PM:

" Another 300 point drop in the Dow... now that's the kind of CHANGE that will do some good.... NOT! "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 3:15 PM:

" Promised earmark reforms and scrutiny of wasteful spending, you know CHANGE. Today we got Washington politics as usual. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 3:03 PM:

" we'd take a 204 billion dollar cut the pork bill, or a 1 trillion dollar gov't getting out of the way of commerce bill ANYTHING!!! "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 3:02 PM:

" Wasilla and the capital of Alaska are 600 miles apart! Pretty sure she can claim a perdiem!!! So not an issue, just an attempt at distacting us from Obama and PORK 410 billion signed this am, he lied to you all about controlling this. 1.7 trillion in stimulus, 2 trillion in new taxes, 410 billion pork bill this morning.....has he signed anything yet that wasn't spending? "

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unreconstructed wrote on Mar 2, 2009 3:02 PM:

" This "great man" has now apparently told Russia that he will scrap the missile shield in Eastern Europe... God help us. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:59 PM:

" jclocal's misinformation wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:45 PM:

" Difference between them Ms Indep is they willingly bowed out, Palin's was brought into the spotlight to get it taken care of. Its not like she just "forgot to pay", she billed Alaskan taxpayers for nights of per diem while she was staying in her house. "

She had a right to cliam the perdiem dude, the only question is should it be taxed, of Course this has nothing to do with Obama, his pork bill this morning or the disaster he's casued for the last month. You see, they try and distract, the issue is Obama and his reckless spending and his lies about earmarks. "

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unreconstructed wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:50 PM:

" "they willingly bowed out"....

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

What planet do you call home, JC? "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:45 PM:

" Difference between them Ms Indep is they willingly bowed out, Palin's was brought into the spotlight to get it taken care of. Its not like she just "forgot to pay", she billed Alaskan taxpayers for nights of per diem while she was staying in her house, obviously not a case of oopps I forgot, done deliberately. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:41 PM:

" jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:33 PM:

" MS Indep wrote "PALIN 2012 "
Hehehe... dont you think she should pay the state of Alaska all her back taxes before she "runs" for President? Unbelievable lol "

rotflmao! She MIGHT have to pay taxes on $17,000 of her travel per diem as govenor, MIGHT, lets see tax on 17,000, whats that gonna be 2 grand? 50 grand more and she'd qualify for the Obama administration!!! Bwahahahahahaha! "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:33 PM:

" MS Indep wrote "PALIN 2012 "


Hehehe... dont you think she should pay the state of Alaska all her back taxes before she "runs" for President? Unbelievable lol "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:16 PM:

" Mac1974's imagination wrote on Mar 2, 2009 1:15 PM:

" I'm sorry(the only truth in this statement). It was REPUBLICANS who incessantly went on and on and on for 2 years (less than 1) about Barack Obama being the MOST liberal person/politician on the planet(in the senate-FACT based on voting record). Oh trust me(yeah right), they made sure EVERY AMERICAN knew just how LIBERAL he was (they tried, the press certainly didn't).

And whadayaknow! lol ...... WHAM! (terrrible group George Michael started in) He instantly becomes president! (after the info got out he barely scraped by Clinton, and then beat a mumbling mummy, who if the stock market had held, would have won.) "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 2:02 PM:

" Yep, it is. We didn't say he wasn't a good politician. Typical liberal, ran in the middle, governs from the left....in this case the way far left, just left of Jimmy Carter. So he won American Idol, not so hard against a mummified vet. :>)

When he's done messing it up we won't see the likes of him for 30-40 more years (or whenever we for get again).

PALIN 2012 "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 2, 2009 1:15 PM:

" I'm sorry. It was REPUBLICANS who incessantly went on and on and on for 2 years about Barack Obama being the MOST liberal person/politician on the planet. Oh trust me, they made sure EVERY AMERICAN knew just how LIBERAL he was.

And whadayaknow! lol ...... WHAM! He instantly becomes president! lol


Yeah, it's a biggggggggggggggggggggg stretch for me to assume more than 50% of Americans consider themselves liberal.

lolololololol "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 1:10 PM:

" why isn't Obam proposing an increase in the minumum wage? Let's increase it to $20 an hour, that will solve all of our problems. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 1:09 PM:

" Why is it that the left lives in a make believe world? They seem to think that the nation can give everybody everything they want and we can all live in utopia. That the only thing preventing utopia is conservatives. Wee lefites youy are in charge and you won't get utopia and you waon't have anyone to blame but yourselves and your irrationality. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 1:07 PM:

" 28 - 32% self describe as conservative. Woops, your losing ground fast herr mac. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 1:05 PM:

" recent survey, bewteen 19 and 26 % self describe as liberal. Yeah, def less than over 50 % Byron. Mac's misinformation (or dream) is no more. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:48 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote Why are you surprised that more than half the population of the United States of America (those who identify themselves as being liberal) support his man and his ideas? "

More than half of this country do not consider themelves liberal, Mac. That is another myth you wnat to beleive. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:45 PM:

" msindependent wrote "Ask Lieberman how understanding his party is about crossing the isle."

Is there any more proof needed of the intolerance of the left? The left challenged their own senator who was going to and eventually win reelection without much effort. The left wing of this country are fools. "

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Mac1974 wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:42 PM:

" Mel R said, "I think Mac has a screw loose. I can't believe that seemingly intelligent people can look at what this lunatic Obama is doing and think he's such a savior."

The ideology and policies of the right are diametrically opposed to those of the left. Are President Barack Obama's recently implemented policies considered 'leftist'?

Sure, absolutely, without-a-doubt, you betcha, right on!

With that in mind, and me being a liberal, why are you so surprised that I support this man and his ideas?

Why are you surprised that more than half the population of the United States of America (those who identify themselves as being liberal) support his man and his ideas? "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:41 PM:

" jclocal wrote "Unrecontructed, markets have been tanking for the last 3 months. Historically, when a new President takes office, it has taken awhile for the markets to respond with gains."

You have no idea what you are talking about. But it is true that the economy has been in free fall since Obama was elected. The economy know that Obama is change that we can't live with. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:39 PM:

" jclocal wrote "HaHaHa.....I picture Obama as godzilla with all you scared republicans running around in the streets with him towering over you, covering your faces and screaming noooooo, just as he raises his gieant foot and smashes all your over the top way too conservative views LOL...... "


He is doing that not just to conservatives but to everyone. He is destroying the nation but what do you expect from a radical who associated for years with other folks that hate the country? "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:37 PM:

" jclocal wrote "Its a challenge that nobody has an answer to so they all have to work together, or at least make and attempt. "

No they don't. The prudent thing to do is shake hands and go our seperate ways. The American experiment is a proven failure because human beings are for the most part irresponsible. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:34 PM:

" jclocal wrote "now Obama has to play cleanup for 8 years of Republican irresponsibility."

Ah the mantra of the uninformed. The irresponsibility was across the board and it has been with us for most of the past 50 years. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:29 PM:

" jclocal wrote " A 1 trillion dollar debt is alot better than 2 correct? This is once again you not giving him a shot, if it fails then you can really dog him for it, but lift up party lines and lets work together, that what the repubs in congress cant understand."

The real debt is much higher than that. Some people estimate that the true debt is 50 to 60 trilion $$$$. This idea that we can spend our way into prosperity is a proven failure. It has failed for 50 years. Insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:26 PM:

" jclocal wrote "Obama is trying to be as transparent as he can be from the looks of it, he at least has recovery.o r g that shows you where each and every dollar is going "

That you and others actually believe that he is being transparent is unbelivable. Obama is irresponsible and you are an enabler of the irresponsibility. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:23 PM:

" waitingontheend wrote "MsInd - I think you have to look at the past. I know the GOP would like to forget some of it but we wouln't be here if it hadn't been for what happened during Bush's reign.'

We wouldn't be here if it weren't for liberal speninf policeis going back decades. And Obama is giving more of the same at record levels. It is stupid and can only end in disaster. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:21 PM:

" jclocal wrote "Obama would not have had to create a second stimulus, but no, our money was pi$$ed away and it pi$$es me off, should pi$$ off every one of you too. "

it wasn't a stimulous, it was political payback with a smidgen of covering to make some people like you believe. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:19 PM:

" jclocal wrote "Yes Ms. Indep, I am pretty satisfied with how he has performed so far. Yes he did raise taxes on people over the 250,000 dollar mark,.."

That hasn't happened yet. But make no mistake it is the middle and lower classes that will pay for those tax increases in less jobs and lower wages. Those people will pass on their costs to you. I just don't get why people don't understand that. It is very small minded and motivated by jealousy. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:16 PM:

" Jclocal respondent to"Obama's spending is more likely to do that. He is putting the nation into bankruptcy" with "Byron, we were already halfway there, your boy Dubya approved a 800 billion dollar "fix" that was drastically needed to save our economy remember? Yeah, that worked out didnt it?"

Bush was a liberal when it came to spending. I didn't approve. You guys should have loved him. We are much more than half way to bankruptcy. And it is almost entirely due to left wing "want something for free" policies. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 12:12 PM:

" Jclocal wrote "Obama is trying to look out for the middle class people now, for the last 8 years we have seen the richer get richer and the middle class got crapped on."

This is an exqmple of why this country is finished. Thre are a growing number of people that believe thinks that are patent lies. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:56 AM:

" JC, I'll say Bush was responsible for signing it, I have no problem with that. I wish he or anyone who voted for it has stood up, taken a deep breath, and looked at the thing. They all let us down. Throwing more money around and dishing out pork everywhere is not what I expect during tough economic times. Can't you say your dissapointed with this pork he signed today? Why is that so difficult? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:52 AM:

" Oh common, Bush didn't know what was going on, the congress pushed that, knowone had the guts to say hey what is this, it was panic city, even MCCain and Obama bailed and supported it. If it was so bad how come Obama has sent more to the banks, now AIG and gosh knows whats next.

Words like railroad, really don't help your position, they are transparent. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Your gonna have to do your own reseach JC, I was being conservative, I could say 3.7 and include the 2 trillion in new taxes. Your not seriously challenging facts now are u? "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:49 AM:

" Ms Indep, never denied that Obama didnt vote on the bill, but at the end of the day, it was Bush's idea and Bush's railroading that got the bill passed, so ultimately, reponsibility falls on him. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:47 AM:

" McCain and Obama approved, Bush was clueless, and the DNC congress salavated over the spending.

History, it's found in books, current events, newspapers and Drudge. :>) "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:47 AM:

" Where did you pull your 1.7trillion dollar figure from, when the recovery bill was voted through it was under 800 billion. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:45 AM:

" Unrecontructed said " JC - you need to forget about hope and change, and try pulling your head out of Obamas hiney. "

I do have hope in Obama, but dont be confused. If he does something or passes or proposes something I dont agree with I will be vocal about it, Im not a through and through person. And in fact before Huckabee dropped outta the race I was really leaning towards his way. I dont consider myself totally to the left and definately not totally to the right, not a total independant either, somewhere inside all that mess Im in there going off of the values and morals I was taught. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:45 AM:

" oh and Obama approved of the 800 billion stimulus Bush signed, or was that convienently forgotten? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:42 AM:

" jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:40 AM:

LOL, are you seriously sitting there spatting that off. Are YOU forgetting about an 800billion dollar idea of his that he pushed down our throats that seriously flopped, doing nothing that he said it was going to do and leaving us 800 billion in the hole. If you call that fiscally responsible than you need to go back to economics. "

Only when comparing him JC, only when compairing him/them. 800 billion vs 1.7 trillion...yep Bush is the fiscally responsible one. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:40 AM:

" jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:35 AM:

Obviously it is the republicans that cannot be bipartisan, not the dems. Look at the raw numbers. "

OMG, if you really believe this, there is no hope for U. Palosi and Reid are the two most vindictive, patisan leaders in the House and Senate in our life time (ok wait Dashel was worse). Bottom line, bipartisan to a democrat means you agree with us, it never applies the other way, and that says it all. Ask Lieberman how understanding his party is about crossing the isle. McCain did, and we put him on the ticket. nuff said. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:40 AM:

" Ms Indep said "Bush was one tight, fiscally responsible president compared to the current Commander in Pork. "


LOL, are you seriously sitting there spatting that off. Are YOU forgetting about an 800billion dollar idea of his that he pushed down our throats that seriously flopped, doing nothing that he said it was going to do and leaving us 800 billion in the hole. If you call that fiscally responsible than you need to go back to economics. "

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unreconstructed wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:37 AM:

" You better believe I have facts, Pelosi and Reid won't even let the Repubs take the floor to offer anything. They have completely shut them out of offering anything. They have that right, they're in control, but they are morons. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:36 AM:

" hujclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:33 AM:

" Unrecontructed, markets have been tanking for the last 3 months. Historically, when a new President takes office, it has taken awhile for the markets to respond with gains. "

Cling to your driftwood honey, the waves he's making are HUGE. "

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unreconstructed wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:36 AM:

" You are SO exposing your ignorace regarding economics JC - your proving that Obama is simply a cult figure to you. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:35 AM:

" Unrecontructed said "And everybody has to work together????? Try telling that to Pelosi and Reid, who are clearly Satan in the flesh."

Have any good basis for that comment, other than right wing idealogy?


Obviously it is the republicans that cannot be bipartisan, not the dems. Look at the raw numbers. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:34 AM:

" First things first, the house will be cleaned up in 2010. That will keep Obama in check.

I will have to admit we were wrong about one thing, he's no Muslim, not with all the pork he's wallowing in.

Bush sure looked bad fiscally, it was my biggest dissapointment (pretty much only) with his administration, but (since JC wants to live in the past) in hindsight, Bush was one tight, fiscally responsible president compared to the current Commander in Pork. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:33 AM:

" Unrecontructed, markets have been tanking for the last 3 months. Historically, when a new President takes office, it has taken awhile for the markets to respond with gains. "

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unreconstructed wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:32 AM:

" And everybody has to work together????? Try telling that to Pelosi and Reid, who are clearly Satan in the flesh. Wake up JC - quit living in a dream world. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:31 AM:

" HaHaHa.....I picture Obama as godzilla with all you scared republicans running around in the streets with him towering over you, covering your faces and screaming noooooo, just as he raises his gieant foot and smashes all your over the top way too conservative views LOL...... "

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unreconstructed wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:31 AM:

" Not a whole lot has happened????? What drugs are you taking this morning? The stock market has tanked almost 1000 pts. in just the last month! Every time he opens his mouth, it tanks even further. You see, people realize that this "plan" of his won't work, you don't spend your way out of debt. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:27 AM:

" Unreconstructed, dont forget we were bankrupt a little over 3 months ago, when a Repub was controlling our country, remember our markets had already tanked. Not a whole lot economically has changed since Obama has taken over, its a very fine game of hit and miss to see whats going to work and whats not. Its a challenge that nobody has an answer to so they all have to work together, or at least make and attempt. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:24 AM:

" Obama has created fear, market instability by talking in apocalyptic terms for weeks. It won't last much longer, the next play in the book should be interesting, hope...no ran that play...fear..nope they'll reconize it, I just used it....what's next, really it should be interesting to see....something to distract us....a crisis? maybe cut a big check to everyone?

America put its hope in a man with no practical experience in gov't, economics, or business management. The guy is putting socialist theories to work, and since socialism only causes misery (historical fact) we are in for one heck of a clean up when he's done playing president. "

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unreconstructed wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:20 AM:

" Look, the era of big-government is back, and back with a vengence. The big-spending Dems control the House, the Senate and the Whitehouse. Strap in for the full effect.... bankruptcy. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:19 AM:

" MS Indep, the past does matter very much, dictates our state of affairs in the present. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:16 AM:

" Ms Indep, can you post where you got your information about this so called "pork" spending bill

thanks "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:13 AM:

" Oh jc stop the partisan balogna and deal with reality, the 8 yr retoric will get us nowhere. We can tailspin all day on bush and congress, and blame blame blame. Deal with today, and the dissapointment Obama has caused by signing the 410 billion dollar pork-a-thon. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:11 AM:

" We'll JC lets say he shouldn't have started by trashing the economy, scaring everyone, using fear to pass his socialistic agenda. That's not HOPE. I like the infrastructure, and he TALKED a good game on PORK and LOBBYISTS, unfortunatety, he's folded on the pork and I don't see how (when he's hiring them left and right) he's going to control special interst lobbyists. If your going to try and spend yourself out of an economic mess, at a minimum you must be fiscally responsible. So far they've just used this crisis to get earmarks for their districts, and the man who said it wouldn't happend just signed the bill this morning. I ask you again, are you-happy-with-this-type-of-activity? "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:08 AM:

" Ms Indep, our economy has been on a nosedive for 2 years, just so happened to tank right before the elections, now Obama has to play cleanup for 8 years of Republican irresponsibility. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:06 AM:

" 800 billion dollars we blew do? And yes Dubya can be discussed here, he attributed to half the debt and didnt leave anything to show for it. A 1 trillion dollar debt is alot better than 2 correct? This is once again you not giving him a shot, if it fails then you can really dog him for it, but lift up party lines and lets work together, that what the repubs in congress cant understand. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:05 AM:

" The only thing different about Obama from the other Harvard/Yale losers like BUSH I & II, Clinton is the color of his skin and his Jimmy Carter world view. He's as much an insider as any of them. Look whom he's hired Clinton, Dashel, keiter or whatever his name is, Panetta, it's a who's who of left wing Washington insiders, that's not change. Combine that with the Carter view on the world and the GOP will be back in 2010 in congress, and 2012 in the whitehouse. I'll say one thing, he knows how to get things done, too bad the things he's doing are only expiditing further economic-disaster, he's on a fast track to oblivion. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:04 AM:

" Ms Indep, look at what Obama had on his plate when he started, where should he start? Maybe since obviously you have a better idea you have ran, or better yet, you be the new emerging leader of the failing GOP.

Look, every single bill that goes through Congress has pork in it, its a fact of life get over it ! Obama is trying to be as transparent as he can be from the looks of it, he at least has recovery.o r g that shows you where each and every dollar is going. One thing I can say is my buddy got to keep his job just from the passing of the recovery plan, what did the first "

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waitingontheend wrote on Mar 2, 2009 11:03 AM:

" MsInd - I think you have to look at the past. I know the GOP would like to forget some of it but we wouln't be here if it hadn't been for what happened during Bush's reign. I think to you have to look at the past so not to make the same mistake in the future otherwise how do you learn from past mistakes. I am talking in all walks of life just not political. "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 10:50 AM:

" You think higher taxes on the so called rich and corperations are not going to affect the middle class and poor? You think people making 250 or more can still spend thier disposable income when they no longet have it? It will stunt the economy more.

What's all the Dubya talk, live in the now and quit trying to distract us from the horific job Obama has done so far. Or if we must, how about the 7700 PORK earmarks Obama gave his buddies this AM. Change...HA!!! "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 10:39 AM:

" have spent the stimulus on the the right things instead of kicking money around to his buddies and supporters Obama would not have had to create a second stimulus, but no, our money was pi$$ed away and it pi$$es me off, should pi$$ off every one of you too. "

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jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 10:37 AM:

" Yes Ms. Indep, I am pretty satisfied with how he has performed so far. Yes he did raise taxes on people over the 250,000 dollar mark, so unless your making more than that you have no reason to argue. Im sure you are probably getting a tax CUT so whats the problem? Obama actually has a pair compared to Dubya, would Dubya have ever stood up to execs and capped their pay at $400,000, heck no(He was getting kickbacks Im sure), or call the head of a major bank personally and tell him if he buys a company jet then his bailout funds are getting taken back? The answer is no and no, if our previous lame duck would "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 10:14 AM:

" Jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 8:51 AM:

" Obama is trying to look out for the middle class people now, for the last 8 years we have seen the richer get richer and the middle class got crapped on. Obama has come out swinging."

Yep, 410billion dollar hit today, PORK 7700 times. Broke his campaign promise, so much for change, other than a different set of piggies chomping away, nothing has changed at all.

You really happy with the job he's done so far Local? 2 trillion in new taxes/fees, this is a good time for that? Burdening business with a phoney balogna ALGORE carbon tax, while they struggle to survive...this is good? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 10:08 AM:

" Jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 8:55 AM:

Byron, we were already halfway there, your boy Dubya approved a 800 billion dollar "fix" that was drastically needed to save our economy remember? Yeah, that worked out didnt it? "

No it didn't work out, so why is Obama throwing two trillion more at it? "

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msindependent wrote on Mar 2, 2009 10:07 AM:

" WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama will break a campaign pledge and sign a budget bill laden with millions in lawmakers' pet projects, administration officials said. "

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Jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 8:55 AM:

" Byron said "Obama's spending is more likely to do that. He is putting the nation into bankruptcy"

Byron, we were already halfway there, your boy Dubya approved a 800 billion dollar "fix" that was drastically needed to save our economy remember? Yeah, that worked out didnt it? "

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Jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 8:51 AM:

" on heavily in the next couple of years(solar, wind energy). "

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Jclocal wrote on Mar 2, 2009 8:51 AM:

" Obama is trying to look out for the middle class people now, for the last 8 years we have seen the richer get richer and the middle class got crapped on. Obama has come out swinging, might be a little much for you right wing tighties, but we have faith in you. :) As far as the almost trillion dollar recovery plan, well lets say Obama didnt do anything, you repubs would still be complaining, there's no pleasing you. At least with this recovery plan its not putting billions and billions of dollars in bonuses back into the pockets of the execs, its creating jobs and funding the the right programs needed to expand certain business that we will be relying "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 8:46 AM:

" Mac1974 Had McCain and that weirdo from Alaska won, there would probably be fighting in our own streets right now. Possibly full-bore revolution. "

Obama's spending is more likely to do that. He is putting the nation into bankruptcy and the only method to get out of it will be inflation. With all the problems in the southwest that could be the breaking point. But hey I am for disolving the union. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 8:44 AM:

" Mac1974 wrote "Each and every single one of us is extremely fortunate to have this great man leading our country right now."

He is not great unless you mean a great fool. "

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Byron W. wrote on Mar 2, 2009 8:43 AM:

" Obama is wrong we are a country of quitters. "

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Travelin_Rose wrote on Mar 1, 2009 9:26 AM:

" Let's keep this in perspective. Obama is the same guy that said we have 57 states. What he is talking about is socialism plain and simple. He may be going after the guy that makes over $250,000 a year and you are saying, "YESSSSS!" Keep in mind that number will be lowered and one day the socialists will be coming after your paycheck. Nobody that works and earns a paycheck will eventually be safe from the redistribution of wealth. "

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Mel R wrote on Feb 27, 2009 9:00 PM:

" I think Mac has a screw loose. I can't believe that seemingly intelligent people can look at what this lunatic Obama is doing and think he's such a savior. He may hold the record for going back on campaign promises with lightening speed. Not that I believed anything he said anyway.

Have any of you seen the movie 'Idiocracy'? It takes place in the year 2505 and basically makes fun of the way society is dumbing down, and only the idiots manage to reproduce. I've always suspected it's really a true story, but I got my proof with this last election. "

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boscoe wrote on Feb 27, 2009 9:43 AM:

" Mac, be careful, your postings are providing plenty of evidence that you may not be sane enough to manage your own affairs.

Someone call the public administrator and get Mac some meds... "

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midline wrote on Feb 26, 2009 10:18 PM:

" If you believe Joe the PLumber gets any nomination of any party , I have some swamp
land for sale, and who pray tell is your mighty party lookin at after Barack fails, Biden ?
Clinton? Gore , Pelozzi, The 4 horseman, . Whomever ,they will be the 1st president that had an IEP in school "

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midline wrote on Feb 26, 2009 10:16 PM:

" Mac please do not act ignorant on the Obama and where he was born deal. You know like the rest that this joker has a birth certificate locked in vault, in Hawaii and he has been real close lipped when asked about his native born label, raised in US? native born ? not sure is
my answer . There are claims his paternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya, parents were trying to get over here to be born here did not make it , family then flew over here and registered his birth . He also spent years in Indonesia when Mom divorced Dad..worldnetdaily source..there is enough to be questionable of "

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msindependent wrote on Feb 26, 2009 9:45 PM:

" Lets talk about anything but the budget he proposed today eh herr mac? It's that embarrassing isn't it? 1 triliion dollar increase in taxes and fees, I'll say this much.....

THATS A LOT OF CHANGE! $$$$$ "

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Mac1974 wrote on Feb 26, 2009 9:26 PM:

" Cliff Kincaid also spoke at CPAC. He basically said he wished it was 1982, because at least then, he knew his President was born in the United States.


????????


The republicans invited a man who doesn't realize Hawaii is in the United States to speak at CPAC? "

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Mac1974 wrote on Feb 26, 2009 9:22 PM:

" While speaking at CPAC, John Bolton insinuated that a nuclear attack on the city of Chicago would be a good thing........ that it would somehow teach President Obama a lesson and force him to become more aware of global threats. Sadly, the crowd roared with laughter.

Is this how the Republican Party wants to be viewed?

Joe the Plumber is at CPAC too. He said he doesn't see anyone worthy of running the party, but suggested he himself may run for office in a few short years.

Joe the Plumber? This is the next leader of the republican party? Really? "

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midline wrote on Feb 26, 2009 8:59 PM:

" Mac, Whose looking out for you ? It aint Barack Hussein "

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midline wrote on Feb 26, 2009 8:58 PM:

" the next day telling the teacher that was the most idiotic project they had ever been involved in and they learned nothing what so ever. His repluy" Oh yes you did, all that work just
for nothing , now you know what the stimulous package is doing ?" "

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midline wrote on Feb 26, 2009 8:56 PM:

" Not saying McCain was the answer but I'm sure the heck not feeling extremely fortunate to have this great man in office. He's trying to copy the Bully Pulpit, the Fireside chat, the New Deal and the War on Poverty, first off he is'nt a Roosevelt, second , many of these
aformentioned things did n ot work the 1st time. Glad you and a few of your bleeding heart libs feel this good Mac, and Mac there wil lbe a revolution with this guy before its all over
Reminds of the project the history teacher gave his students , to take water out of deepend in pool and put in shallow end, after about 2 minutes they all quit and came back to class "

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msindependent wrote on Feb 26, 2009 8:47 PM:

" Not suprised your still drinking the coolaid or slinging the bait herr mac. Where's the change? Nothing but Washington insiders bellys up at the trough. Shameful. "

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msindependent wrote on Feb 26, 2009 8:43 PM:

" Worst start of any president any time in history. He doesn't know what he's doing. A trillion dollar tax and fee increase on it's citizens? 700 pork barrel projects when were in a recession? Carbon tax on our industries when they are already cutting jobs and closing? The man is a fool. "

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Mac1974 wrote on Feb 26, 2009 7:37 PM:

" Each and every single one of us is extremely fortunate to have this great man leading our country right now. For every extremist, right-wing republican he has offended, he's brought 5 moderate republicans to the table.

Had McCain and that weirdo from Alaska won, there would probably be fighting in our own streets right now. Possibly full-bore revolution. "

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