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Trash talk: Curbside recycling would be coupled with mandatory trash service

Jordan Rechenmacher, who operates a large waste disposal truck for Allied Waste Services, makes his rounds to empty residential waste containers on the city's west side. The City Council will hear public comment Thursday on a new contract that includes curbside recycling and mandatory service. (Julie Smith/News Tribune photo)

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By Kris Hilgedick
News Tribune

Published: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:11 PM CST

Jefferson City residents would see curbside single-stream recycling service, under a proposed five-year contract negotiated between senior city staff and Allied Waste officials. But residents also would be required to participate in universal - better known as mandatory - trash pick-up.

According to the Missouri Municipal League, 86 percent of Missouri's communities require people to pay for trash service.

Five hauling companies attended a pre-proposal conference last fall to hear about the city's concept, but only Allied Waste - owner of a landfill in east Jefferson City and a transfer station off Southwest Boulevard - submitted a final proposal.

A bill authorizing the contract will be introduced before the Jefferson City Council on Monday night.

Read additional details in our e-Edition. See Friday's FRONT PAGE.


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JCpatriot wrote on Feb 24, 2009 5:42 PM:

" FYI, Hey people why should you pay trash company to have recycling service, when the recycling vendor will pick up for free ? Its just another trash company tactic to charge more for recycliing bins.
The monopoly Trash vendors will make alot $$$$$$ at the dump site get payed for recycled poroducts. They will cut out the jobs of the poor old recycling vendors who is trying to make a living recycling ? "

boscoe wrote on Feb 24, 2009 2:31 PM:

" Travelin_Rose wrote: " Most of the posts seem to love the idea of curbside recycling. I hope they love the idea of their rates going through the roof, too. They are way too high already. Wait until this gets started and we find out that the Trash hauler wants a fuel surcharge or there is much more recycling than anticipated or since it all has to be sorted that will be more costly than expected so those extra costs will be passed along to the consumer. "

Can't they use the money they will make from selling the recycled product and for reduced landfil charges to pay for the fuel? If it doesn't save any money, then they shouldn't be doing it. "

boscoe wrote on Feb 24, 2009 2:29 PM:

" Mariab said: "There is virtually no cost difference for people who already use bins. If you're one of these folks, how about if you kick in an extra 5 bucks per month on your end and I'll meet you with an extra 5 bucks on my end. That way, we'll all have an increase in our prices."

What about cutting the pickups from twice to once per week? Maybe the actual costs are not being cut, but if you cut the service in half, isn't that the same as a cost increase? Some weeks I have my cart overflowing and stuffed full for two pickups. Are they going to take the overflow into another can or pile when it won't fit-in-one-can-for-one-day-pickup? "

Travelin_Rose wrote on Feb 24, 2009 1:43 PM:

" Most of the posts seem to love the idea of curbside recycling. I hope they love the idea of their rates going through the roof, too. They are way too high already. Wait until this gets started and we find out that the Trash hauler wants a fuel surcharge or there is much more recycling than anticipated or since it all has to be sorted that will be more costly than expected so those extra costs will be passed along to the consumer. "

mariab wrote on Feb 24, 2009 1:02 PM:

" As I posted previously, I currently use bags, so going with the new plan will be a SIGNIFICANT cost increase for me. Do I support recycling? Of course. Do I get annoyed by those who blithely ignore my cost concern and tell me it's all about the environment? Yes.

There is virtually no cost difference for people who already use bins. If you're one of these folks, how about if you kick in an extra 5 bucks per month on your end and I'll meet you with an extra 5 bucks on my end. That way, we'll all have an increase in our prices.

I'm just looking for a little acknowledgement here, not chastisement about my moral rectitude regarding environment. "

lovemyboys wrote on Feb 24, 2009 11:10 AM:

" I e-mailed my City council person and expressed my approval of this plan, but did mention that I thought those who live alone or are elderly should be given special consideration and smaller bins. They should give them a Senior discount on the rates too! Anyway, I did my part....

HappyGirl -- like I've said in earlier posts, if you recycle, your trash will be alot less...think about it, that's less going into the landfill...it's about the environment.

I love, love, love this idea and can't wait for it to start. Whoo hoo! "

happygirl wrote on Feb 23, 2009 8:11 PM:

" I was one of the fortunate people that was able to try out the new program. I loved it. I currently recycle but this new system made it so much easier and was able to recycle about twice as much. Currently I only put out trash once a week with no problems. When I was on the trial program my recycle bin was completely full most pick up days and my trash can was maybe half full. As for those that are concerned about the cost. I understand that there are many people that can't afford mandatory trash pick up. Is that what you say about electricity and water? It is time for JC to get with the program for the environment. "

lovemyboys wrote on Feb 23, 2009 10:57 AM:

" With that said, I do understand those that dont generate much trash though and elderly. Many cities (including Columbia) do curbsite recycling...Columbia throws colored bags in a bundle on driveways and they have to sort their recyclables by type for each color bag.

In this case, you can throw everything recyclable (except glass) into one bin, and put it out once a week for them to collect. Sounds a lot easier to me.

You all are always complaining that Jeff City is behind the times and then when they try to do something like this (which is what many cities already do), you all complain that they are not ready....? Make up your minds please...ugh! "

lovemyboys wrote on Feb 23, 2009 10:54 AM:

" ODF -- her service is Mid-State Waste...same as ours.

Just a question? Don't you think more people would recycle if it were "convenient?" I know there is a cost, but to me, getting more people to recycle is the optimal goal. We have to manually sort our recyclables and physically take them somewhere...that is a pain for us as we have 3 kids and are very busy. But, we do it. Now think about this...there are alot of lazy people out there who won't even do that much. I certainly like the idea for our family.

I "

ODF wrote on Feb 23, 2009 9:44 AM:

" lovemy - We might be talking about 2 different things then. I'm talking about specifically inside the California city limits. Sounds to me like your friend has difference service and company if they in the outlying areas.
Like I said, my friend's parents live north of California (out in the county) and their trash service stopped providing service down the gravel roads and won't do "group" pickups because they couldn't ensure those that were paying were the only ones leaving garbage. So the alternative for them is, burn what they can, recycle what they can and the rest they have to haul to a trash service. "

boscoe wrote on Feb 22, 2009 9:14 PM:

" The council is just seeing this trash proposal as a huge money-maker for the city. The sign a binding contract with Allied and then Allied feeds the kick-backs in the form of another FTE for the city, a brand new road repair tax, and a nice new transfer station for the city.

MONEY MONEY MONEY

Oh, and it is a HUGE cost increase because they are cutting the trash pickups to once a week for the normal trash. They know most people won't be recycling.

Half the service for the same money! What a deal for customers (NOT!) "

cherchante wrote on Feb 22, 2009 2:52 PM:

" I think that the city council has also failed to note the effect this will have on many small businesses and the owner of one sits on the council. Many of the purchases at smaller businesses are out of one's discretionary funds. Funds which are available after other obligations are met. What will happen to them if this $15.08 removes discretionary funds from enough budgets? Is there an impact? "

cherchante wrote on Feb 22, 2009 2:43 PM:

" So, for these events the times are

2. Thursday February 26, 2009, open house at City Hall for the Trash and Recycling Ordinance from 4-6 pm.
3. City Council meeting on Monday, March 2, 2009; probably 6 pm unless the supporters prevail on getting that changed to some arcane time/location!

There has just been so much of this done behind closed doors, with little forethought and little compassion for anyone! They have NOT even studied the demographics to see how many might not be able to financially afford this. Yet, they will create a problem and then here comes government to the rescue for a problem govt created! "

cherchante wrote on Feb 22, 2009 2:35 PM:

" Well, the NewsTribune also seems determined to downplay this trash plan because they have NOT bothered to list for public awareness these events:

1. February 19, 2009, open house at City Hall for the Trash and Recycling Ordinance;
2. February 26, 2009, open house at City Hall for the Trash and Recycling Ordinance;
3. City Council meeting on March 2, 2009;
Complicity here?
Supporters at the first meeting were way out-voiced so they've to the word outt to would like to get lots of people at both the Monday vote and the open house next Thursday because they think this is going to be close! Heads up? "

mariab wrote on Feb 22, 2009 9:48 AM:

" I completed the survey way back when re: recycling. I was in favor of it, but I noted that because I used bags, and I only need to put out one bag per week, I was *against* requiring residents to use the bins at the $15 per month.

Requiring me to go with the $15/month for the bins is a major cost increase; for those who already use bins, it's a wash.

I'm 100% in favor of recycling; it just seems that, historically, our city does not do a good job of negotiating contracts with monopoly vendors. "

JCpatriot wrote on Feb 22, 2009 12:48 AM:

" This plan stinks to me... no pun intended lol ...

Jeff city is not set-up for this type of operation anyhow. Also we should be able to pick who we want for trash company & who to hire to pay tax to under, or whatever city contract etc. Otherwise its unconstitutional infringing our rights to chose. What law says the city of Jefferson is to dictate who & what trash company we pay taxes & contract without our choice. If thats the case, all other trash companies need to file a lawsuit against the city counsel in a court of law. "

JCpatriot wrote on Feb 22, 2009 12:32 AM:

" Its scandalous trash talk, just scandalous.....lol "

hasher28 wrote on Feb 21, 2009 8:19 PM:

" First some presumptions. The mandatory trash/recycle program goes forward at the rate of $15.08/month. There is no provision for smaller cans for those who create less trash (single households, shoppers who avoid excess packaging, etc).

What will the city council and the trash collection company do if people place the trash and recycle cans at the door of city hall? Refuse to use the cans? Inform city hall in writing in advance of theri intent to not use the service and not pay for it? Or perhaps demand all city councilmen/women who support the idea vacate their office?

Anyone care for some "tea"? "

boscoe wrote on Feb 21, 2009 5:07 PM:

" Cherchante is quite a smart and perceptive person! Excellent points!

I think the main driver of all this by the council is that they can use the issue to bring in yet another MANDATORY TAXATION stream of revenue to the city coffers. They are adding funding to build a city-owned transfer station (what's wrong with Allied's current one?). The city is adding more taxes from the citizens for fixing roads that they are not fixing and maintaining anymore with our current tax dollars. They are even using Allied and the proposal to add an unneeded "trash educator" FTE to the city hall staff.

PORK, PORK PORK byy the city council. "

Cherchante wrote on Feb 21, 2009 9:01 AM:

" So the environmentalist group has had two years to prepare this plan. They are gleeful that this may be their time and they are really organized to shove this down the throats of everyone else, afford it or not.
Many of us are simply asking the city council to please renew the current contract for a period of time during which better, more reasonable solutions can be explored and adopted that would not incur the problems for so many that are found in this mandatory, "universal" recycle program. They have our attention now. Can we get theirs? Can we reach out to preserve a few of our liberties? "

Cherchante wrote on Feb 21, 2009 8:43 AM:

" There are also questions about collections if one cannot afford to pay and does not. Well, first there is the fact that the city has signed a contract with this monopoly created by an ordained or "Authorized Collector" not you the individual citizen. So, with no contract between you and the "Authorized Collector" and you do not pay, how does the "Authorized Collector" take you to court? Is this a question that will be dealt with after the fact? And would those considerations include considerations on what types of funds may be garnished were the "Authorized Collector" prevail in a civil proceeding? And there are funds that cannot be garnisheed unless the lawyer is slick! "

Cherchante wrote on Feb 21, 2009 8:34 AM:

" A point that seems to be ignored also is the approach seems to be "we will create a problem but! AHA! Then we can appear to create or offer a solution for you!" My suspicion is that those who will employ that defense of this egregious mandatory "universal" trash proposal will find some political benefit in the approach. They will count on people remembering the solution that was "found" for them but forget who actually opened the Pandora's box to begin with. And that will be just the thing that will return that candidate to office! They will count on short term memories! Or is it stupidity? "

Cherchante wrote on Feb 21, 2009 8:10 AM:

" The city is screaming because the revenues are down. They are making contingencies regarding what to cut at certain points. So this writer would never depend on any bailout for hardships imposed by mandatory recycling.
And another point that is handily dismissed by some members of the city council in regards to those who use these now unpopular bags is that probably the majority of those who use the bags religiously recycle now! But the counter is that they don't do it good enough, that they might miss a piece of plastic! Hogwash! And quibble! "

Cherchante wrote on Feb 21, 2009 8:05 AM:

" NOWHERE in those surveys that those devout environmentalists had constructed for their purposes was the word, or any of its variations, "MANDATE" appear! The word "OPTION" probably did not appear either. The issue of imposing this potential financial burden was simply NOT even considered in that they never even looked to learn that right now over 14% of the people in Jefferson City are considered to be under the poverty level. And why would I assert there was no compassion for those souls? I will submit that had compassion been in their soul, the relief for that situation would have been part of this package;not an appended afterthought that may not happen! remember $$$ "

Cherchante wrote on Feb 21, 2009 7:59 AM:

" Another salient point that is overlooked quite gleefully is the flaws in the surveys which supposedly said everybody wants this recycling to occur and that lead to this mandatory fee imposed on every residence in the city whether or not they use the service. And that point is that the current system allows one to be self sufficient and self reliant; where the new system will create another dependency on government for relief of the $15.08 monthly burden that they might need. These previously self-reliant, self-sufficient souls will have to beg for that relief and probably reveal to government information to which government is NOT otherwise entitled.
And that merely raises the issue of privacy! "

Cherchante wrote on Feb 21, 2009 7:52 AM:

" Among the points that are being overlooked with this trash debacle the city council has created for itself is the impact this will mandatory fee will have on the financially impaired in the city. There was no consideration for anyone who may find financial relief in using the current alternative to the $16+ that will be eliminated were the City Council adopt the new trash thing.
Yet there are the councilpeople who will counter with they will create ways to "reward" those who create less trash! That hardly addresses the issue of physical limitations that are answered with the current alternative which has fallen into disfavor with environmentalists "

lovemyboys wrote on Feb 20, 2009 12:37 PM:

" ODF -- I get that information from a co-worker who lives there and pays what I pay for once a week pickup....She's on the McGirk/California line where she lives.

I do think they need to try to come up with smaller bins for those who live alone and don't produce as much trash and it's easier for them to move to the curb.

Personally, we can't wait for this start! "

seekthetruth wrote on Feb 19, 2009 1:24 PM:

" I agree with Boscoe. I think once a week is fine. Maybe some families have more trash than us but we could make once a week work. And recycling shouldn't cost us any extra. It's a personal choice that we make to preserve the earth. I'm also worried about the elderly that live next to me. She has a hard enough time getting one cart out, much less two. (I usually do it for her so she doesn't have to get out in the bad weather.)

With some of my neighbors, I'm lucky if they can get it in one. They've got trash all over our neighborhood because they just toss it out the front door. "

jclocal wrote on Feb 19, 2009 10:34 AM:

" I live in the county and pay a little over $75/qtr for trash service and that is only once a week! "

stop wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:22 AM:

" I'd like to know where in the constitution it gives the government to right to force people to pay a outside company to pick up trash. "

ODF wrote on Feb 18, 2009 2:06 PM:

" lovemyboys wrote on Feb 18, 2009 1:28 PM:
Do you know that out in California/McGirk area, they only get once a week trash pick up and they pay the same as we do in Jeff City?

Not sure where you got that information. California has 2 trash pick ups a week and the days differ depending on what part of town you live in. A good friend lives in NE section and their pick up is Monday & Thursday. They have family north of town and have NO trash pick up....what can't be recycled has to be hauled to a dump site and paid for by the bag or by the pound. "

lovemyboys wrote on Feb 18, 2009 1:28 PM:

" Silverfox -- don't put all of us in that category...considering what a pain recycling is in this town right now, those bins are always FULL to overflowing. So, alot of JC residents recycle....

My family cares for the environment...we teach our kids NOT to litter (one of my pet peeves) and we teach the kids the importance of recycling...and we live in Jeff City.

Do you know that out in California/McGirk area, they only get once a week trash pick up and they pay the same as we do in Jeff City? So, quit complaining and appreciate the fact that this will provide more people the opportunity to recycle that otherwise won't. "

lovemyboys wrote on Feb 18, 2009 1:24 PM:

" People...if you have a bin for recyclables, you won't need twice a week pickup. Our family recycles religiously and we only put our "trash" out once a week. The rest is recycled. For us, this will be great because we won't have to haul it all to one of the bins in town, only to find out they are full, and then drive to another place...by the time you waste the gas, the extra amount comes out about the same.

Did you honestly think trash services were going to never increase? Come on, people...AmerenUE just got a rate hike, water has already gone up, Mediacom's rates increased about $5/month and the service is exactly the same. "

killerkool-aid wrote on Feb 18, 2009 1:12 PM:

" curse you too spell check!!! opportunity "

killerkool-aid wrote on Feb 18, 2009 1:11 PM:

" silverfox, I 'd like to take the opertunity to retort, uhhhhh... WHAT? Thanks for that little morsel. craaaazy Trust, I will count the minutes. "

killerkool-aid wrote on Feb 18, 2009 1:03 PM:

" If they close the yard waste recycling/mulching drop off, I am hosed big time. In addition to doing my own composting, I take 15-20 truck loads there a year. I doubt their curbside yard waste program can handle my volume. NUTS "

Silverfox wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:12 PM:

" I am amazed to see folks blab about things they don't care about. Conserving our earth's resources and leaving a sustainable planet for our future generations is what we need to be thinking about. But, it ain't happening in this weak-minded place. gotta go and won't be back so you can gripe at one another for a few more years. YOU are the reason our economy is so weak. Don't blame Bush anbd don't even think about blaming the smart man, yet!!! See ya in two years!! "

localgirl wrote on Feb 16, 2009 1:02 PM:

" Travelin_Rose - KRCG reported that service rates would go to approx $15.08/month. Currently it's right around $15/month, so it wouldn't be a big increase. Not to mention that this is just for those inside the city limits of Jefferson City - not county residences. If $15 a month is pricey for trash service then I don't know if you've ever lived anywhere where its close to $90+ for 3 months. "

naturally wrote on Feb 16, 2009 12:21 PM:

" My service is $75 a qtr. Since my neighbors and our house together might generate 2 trash cans full A WEEK (usually less), we split the bill and both use the same pickup address. Yeah we still have to transport our cans and bottles for recycling but, like boscoe said, they pay us for it.
I have to wonder how some of you generate so much trash in the first place and why you don't see a value in some of the stuff you can sell to recyclers. "

boxergal wrote on Feb 16, 2009 11:14 AM:

" I am sorry but this would upset me. I don't do it but I could take my trash to a vacation residence and dump it there as I pay for trash in my assessment. I am sure a lot of people do that. To me it would be a big fat pain in the rear. I have even seen the wife of a business owner dump her trash at their business. Why not? They pay for it. So now will she have to pay for home pickup and business pickup?? I am at the other end of the spectrum, I can actually pick my service (where I live) from two that are available. "

curious1 wrote on Feb 16, 2009 2:30 AM:

" In my community of 350,000 it is mandatory trash/recycling as proposed by JC. No big deal here. We have a barrel for regular trash and a barrel for yard waste and one for recycling. They all go to the curb on the same day. The issue of "making" everybody pay was solved by including it in the water bill. Not sure how JC proposes to do it. We not only recycle plastic but also paper goods as well. I don't think its fair however for the city to make a decision for everybody but see both sides of the issue. "

Travelin_Rose wrote on Feb 15, 2009 11:04 PM:

" I agree with boxergal. First smoking, then seatbelts and now trash. It's just like Nero fiddling while Rome burns. Aren't there more important issues for both the state and city to be working on than any of this trivial junk? If the trash picks up recycling, that will just give them another reason to raise the price of our already very pricy trash service! Undoubtedly, they have their eye on doubling the cost per quarter. I am happy to drop off my recycling every two weeks at New World Recycling. Does everyone realize that if we don't purchase items made of recycled plastic, there is no reason to recycle? "

boscoe wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:40 PM:

" There should be a pretty big DECREASE due to all the factors I mentioned previously. Also, you can bet that less than half the people will participate in the recycling pickup, so that pickup day might be pretty light and quick.

What happens if the homeowner just keeps putting the same stuff into the carts (not separating anything on the recycle day pickup)? I'll bet they just pick it all up anyway, so the biggest difference for me is that I will have two carts??? "

localgirl wrote on Feb 15, 2009 5:25 PM:

" Boscoe, there will still have to be 2 pick-ups. One for the trash and one for the recycling, so they are still running two trucks thus leaving the cost of operations about the same as they are now.
As far as the price increases go for the city residences, its still less than $2.50 for the entire year. I am sure that with the way the contract is now, it would have been a higher increase than that this year anyways. "

boscoe wrote on Feb 15, 2009 4:21 PM:

" Recycling also means that the landfill costs are going to be GREATLY REDUCED.

WHERE IS ALL THE EXTRA MONEY GOING?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN YOUR LITTLE CART IS WAY OVERFLOWING FROM HOLDING ALL YOUR STINKING GARBAGE FOR A WEEK AND YOU MISS A PICKUP DUE TO VACATION, ETC.?

How is your garbage going to smell and attract vermin after a week or two in the hot summer? "

boscoe wrote on Feb 15, 2009 4:18 PM:

" There are many reasons why this proposal should result in a MUCH LOWER trash pickup fee for homeowners. Cutting the pickup to only once per week automatically CUTS the variable costs of trash service to ONE-HALF.

This is a HORRIBLE DEAL for tax payers. This "deal" results in a HUGE WINDFALL OF MONEY that obviously is being split between the city and Allied.

Interesting that commercial service is not increasing, so are homeowners helping to subsidise the higher costs of commercial trash service?

Good gosh, people! Look at what you are going to get service-wise and look at what you are going to pay! This is a NO-CHOICE CARTEL for YEARS. "

boscoe wrote on Feb 15, 2009 4:12 PM:

" I am fine with making trash service mandatory. I have no problem with that. Making the servie mandatory should help LOWER the cost for trash service for each homeowner since there will be many additional customers to amortise the fixed costs, and because Allied can take advantage of greater economies of scale fo further LOWER the cost of trash service for all.

I am OK and even happy with recycling, but where is the money going from the sale of the recycled product. Recycling should also help LOWER the costs of trash service.

I am AGAINST the added PORK or TAXES fees that the city is making Allied pay. "

two_cents_worth wrote on Feb 14, 2009 8:55 PM:

" It will be interesting to see how JC will 'make' people pay a trash bill...

I will say I am tired of my deadbeat neighbors sneaking their trash into my bin just before the truck arrives. "

pioneers wrote on Feb 14, 2009 7:36 PM:

" I'm looking forward to this. I've seen it in other communities and it works great. It's easy, convenient and makes sense.

I'll gladly give up the 2nd collection per week to get single stream recycling.

I also think requiring everyone to have trash pickup is the best way to go. Otherwise people are not paying for it, yet getting rid of their trash somehow. Gee, where does it go? No more of that.

I hope the council approves this contract. "

localgirl wrote on Feb 14, 2009 6:51 PM:

" Yes! Single stream recycling is amazing and its so easy for all those who don't recycle because they are "too busy." Truth of the matter is, Jefferson City demanded recycling and Allied Waste was the only hauling company that could deliver. They are local and can keep costs down, whereas other companies from farther away would have increased prices even more. I am sure that after paying less than $15 a month for trash service for God knows how long, Jefferson City can handle a small increase. "

hmarie775 wrote on Feb 14, 2009 8:57 AM:

" Well I can't read the whole article b/c the NT now thinks people should pay to read news, but whatever, I think single stream recycling is a wonderful thing as recycling right now is too inconvenient for busy families or those with small houses and no room for three seperate trash cans. I think instead of making it mandatory that it should be subsidized in with our taxes. JC is the only community I've ever had to pay for trash pickup in. "

boscoe wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:15 PM:

" Making the service mandatory already raised the revenue generated by the trash company by 40%. This whole "negotiation" is a crime against the taxpayers by the very people who are supposed to work for us. City Hall is gouging us hard, and strong-arming the trash company to their dirty work.

Just extend the current contract with a 10% increase so we can keep our twice-per-week trash pickup. This is a horrible deal for customers/taxpayers, and a very good one for City Hall. "

boscoe wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 PM:

" Yep, here it is. A higher rate for less service, with the trash company pocketing all the proceeds from the recycled materials sales.

Note the built-in pork where the trash company is blackmailed to collect more money for the city to do its jobs to fix the streets and buld a city transfer station (to make the city appear innocent)? Allied Waste should have walked away and went straight to the ethics commission and the attorney general's office over that blackmail to be the city's partner in gouging the taxpayers. Smells like a "rebate" to the city for buying the bid at the very least. "

waitingontheend wrote on Feb 13, 2009 7:28 PM:

" Does this mean that we wouldn't have to take our recycables to the centers. I live in the country and so we take our recycling in to town. But at work we recycle and have a part time school kid take the recycling to centers. But does that mean just put it out on the curb everyweek with the trash? "

boxergal wrote on Feb 13, 2009 5:45 PM:

" Oh Lord, you all won't like that. First the smoking, then the seatbelts and now the trash. Whats this world coming to?? "

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