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PERSPECTIVE: Importance of diversity

By Brig. Gen. Larry D. Kay, Missouri National Guard, Commanding General of Multi-National Task Force (East)
Published: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:55 PM CST
The word “diversity” is widely misunderstood. Many organizations continuously struggle with not only the meaning of the word but also how to successfully apply it.

    Some, however, have been able to weave diversity into their culture and successfully transcended ethnic, racial and religious divides. These organizations have embraced a strong, shared vision, defined steps for success and a continuous mirror check to ensure accountability.

    Shared Vision. What do we want to be? Think about this ... we wear uniforms to look alike. We train over and over to become predictable. We are bonded together in our common oath to protect this nation. So why would an organization which relishes conformity, predictability and shared values promote diversity? It's the great American paradox - groups of people who don't look alike with different religions, ethnicities and beliefs - all standing up for one common principle - freedom.

    In order for us to be a great homogenous organization, we must come from all segments of this great society we represent. Yet, we don't want just anyone. Our applicants must believe in and live the Army Values: loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity and personal courage. It's these values which mold a diverse group into the great homogenous organization we call the United States Army.

    Defined Steps. We must have clearly understood steps leading us toward success:

    


* Our formations must look like the communities we serve.

    

* We must nurture long-term relationships with diverse communities.

    

* Our leaders must be held accountable to create and promote a culture that welcomes, respects and takes pride in diversity.

    

* We must have leaders at every level who are mentors to others who are not like them.

    

* Diversity should be represented in leadership positions at all levels.

    

* We must maintain a consistent reputation as a diverse organization.

    

* Diversity should be represented in leadership positions at all levels.

    

* We must maintain a consistent reputation as a diverse organization.

    Mirror Check for Accountability. Leaders must be willing to acknowledge challenges and aggressively make corrections. If the leadership team is not diverse, it must formally and informally seek input from the outside. We have to look at ourselves every day to score. While it's not easy, it's the consistent follow-thru that allows us to make the basket.

    On Jan. 19, we will celebrate Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Day. To be in a place where our soldiers and airmen “will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character” is not just a moral imperative, it is our responsibility and duty as leaders.

    Synergy is defined as a force greater than the sum of its parts. The only way to achieve synergy is embrace a strong shared vision, defined steps for success and conduct a continuous mirror check to ensure accountability.

    These are the tools utilized by a healthy organization, which embraces the importance of diversity.

    “Get it Done!”

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msindependent wrote on Jan 11, 2009 9:32 AM:

" Talk about finger pointing and soap box. What makes you different from anyone in here L-A? "

LAJ50 wrote on Jan 11, 2009 8:53 AM:

" I quit reading these postings because they make me so angry. How did an article on promoting diversity and understanding of diversity become such an ugly forum on finger pointing in our community? Understanding diversity in your community is understanding differences of not only cultures, but individuals to open our minds. Opening your mind may be pretty hard for those that only want to finger point and pretend that all society's problems are stemmed from those on welfare and their baby factories. If you think for a second that everyone living in the shiny rose colored houses in middleclassville are all fine upstanding citizens, you are sadly mistaken. Get off your soap boxes, stop pointing fingers and do something about it. "

boscoe wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:55 PM:

" What race was Adam and Eve? They were the ones who screwd up this world. "

wearescrewed wrote on Jan 10, 2009 3:27 PM:

" wow wrote "What would make this world a better place is more people using common sense and treating others as they themselves expect to be treated."

Can't teach that. It is too close to Christianity. "

wearescrewed wrote on Jan 10, 2009 3:26 PM:

" wow arote: "..there are many people calling for an end to those very programs which are currently used to punish the people who actually commit racial crimes."

What the H*** is a racila crime? "

nospinzone wrote on Jan 10, 2009 2:54 PM:

" I find it amazing that many amerasians or people from India come over to this country with
out a single cent or even know how to speak our language and... within 5-6 years , develop
into class valedictorians , doctors , buisness owners . There is no affirmative action for them . The difference is they don't expect anything to be given to them and they see hard work here as oppurtunity for success . Why is that major university's are full of successful students from all over the world , that were never given anything by our government ? "

nospinzone wrote on Jan 10, 2009 2:48 PM:

" I think the programs were good and necessary and helped tremendously when they were
adopted but............. at some point in time its time to cut the apron and make everyone compete for economic oppurtunity on their own merit not be given something because of a law . "

nospinzone wrote on Jan 10, 2009 2:46 PM:

" Secondly, I don't see affirmative action and equal oppurtnity acts as punishing people that discriminate . And these programs are now 40 yrs old, how long do we need to keep these programs ??????? I personally think an african american can make it on their own without these programs . Do you think these programs make people not racist ? I thnk many whites
become racist because these programs discriminate against them if they are not black. How
would you like to bust your rear trying to get into med school and you get passed over so the school can meet a certain quoto of certain races , when you are the better student ?
Don't get me wrong the "

nospinzone wrote on Jan 10, 2009 2:39 PM:

" 25 states and a vote by 435 house reps elected by their nation is more than one man 's idea
As for MLk day don't see a day for Native American Indian or hispanic's, for that matter such as Ceasar Chavez. Personally I think a day for any individual is ridiculous because we are made up of so many diverse cultures it puts any culture not recognized by a person in a discriminatory situation , ie asians, middle easterners, etc etc etc etc. I say eliminate MLK day, Presidents day, Columbus day. Not everyone gets off or recognizes Columbus day either . Or just have one day called Americas cultures day , whatev "

wow wrote on Jan 10, 2009 1:27 PM:

" Nospinzone, don't get me wrong there has been a few gestures at solving this issue , but there are many people calling for an end to those very programs which are currently used to punish the people who actually commit racial crimes. Since I don't think we disagree that we still have we still have racial problems today. Why eliminate programs intended to enforce equal treatment?
America is made up of 50 states and therefore an apology from a single Sen/Rep member as admirable as it is, is not a national apology. The entire nation doesn't recognize the MLK holiday, one can only speculate why that's is. But that's another topic.
IMO....since the-residents- of- the-Whitehouse-allowed-it-to-happen-perhaps-the-most-meaningful-apology-should-come-from-the-residents-of-the-Whitehouse. "

nospinzone wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:57 AM:

" wow, from your last post, you act like there have not been any formal apologies for slavery. I beleive many states , correct me if I'm wrong , have had state resolutions with formal apologies for this act ( ie July 29 2008 US House resolution apology for slavery and Jim Crow Laws) sponsored by Rep Steve Cohen from Tenn. April 2003 Senate passed resolution to apologize to Native American Indians . Seems like a catch 22 , because many african americans , say it is a hollow gesture , and if it is not done they catch flak for that too. Equal oppurtunity act, affirmative action , and our new president , are the real signs of
a society apologizing and moving on. "

msindependent wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:42 AM:

" WOW,
Oh and lets not forget indentured-servants-(my ancestors) the Chinese laborers, the japanese-Americans that were ripped from their homes, the German-Americans (mine again) who suffered predudice in WWI and WWII.

On behalf of white people everywhere, even though most of us were born after the cival rights act of 1965, even-though-100's of thousands-who-did-died-to-free-your-people-and-even-though-most-of-us-never-new-a-whites-only-world-APOLOGIZE-to-your-ancestors-who-suffered-and-to-your-old-people-who-struggled-through-jim-crow-APOLOGIZE.

It's a terrible history, still we've been plunked down in the greatest nation on earth. We are all very fortunate to live here, and in this time. Imagine we both had the good fortune to be born in a country that people break the law to move to and live in. "

wow wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:30 AM:

" What would make this world a better place is more people using common sense and treating others as they themselves expect to be treated. It's doesn't have to be about anything other the person actions, be they good or bad. When a person does something, they are expecting a response, so I say if we respond accordingly to the persons actions, the rest will work itself out. Regretfully what I just described is not what happen enough in the "real world". This attitude of "they did it themselves first, so why complain that somebody else did it to them too" is buuuullllonie. Cause experience has shown me, we're all equal until it comes to reward or punish and that-isn't-right. "

AMAZED wrote on Jan 10, 2009 10:44 AM:

" I would like to also apologize for the racism, prejudice, murders, rapes, and kidnappings, and slavery the American Indians inflicted upon themselves before the coming of the evil white man, and this apology also includes the same for victims in Africa before the invasion of the sub-human white devil. Nothing so amazing as a story like this to bring out the real racsism of all. Life on this planet would be some better without the White Race and Christians dont you think? "

AMAZED wrote on Jan 10, 2009 10:38 AM:

" It never ceases to amaze me that those who teach and preach diversity, refuse to tolerate those whose thoughts and beliefs are different than the ones they espouse. That diversity they refuse to accept. Somehow they righteously feel that by cloaking themselves with the 'magic word,' all others must immediately follow "their truth" or risk being ostracized and branded if they dont. This is nothing more than another example of political correctness running wild and a hyperbolic response to the recent problems the Guard has experienced. However, you can expect no progress from the Guard for at least the next 4 years. MAC of course displasy his idiocy once again as his comment on recruitment mirror same. "

wow wrote on Jan 10, 2009 10:33 AM:

" Msindependent, I'd like to see us move beyond the issue of race. So therefore I apologize for the sins of Jessie, Al, Lou, the Black Muslims and the other black criminals that have caused so much trouble. And since I'm not perfect, I apologize for the wrong I've have done as well.

Your turn....who's going to apologize for the systematic kidnapping, torture, rape, murder, enslavement and extermination of the millions of blacks and Indian lives? Who's apologizing for the 20th and 21st century Jim Crow, segregation violations? Who's apologizing to the women who are discriminated against daily? Tell us, who's gonna stand up and do the right thing?

FYI-public acknowledgment doses wonders for the healing process. "

msindependent wrote on Jan 8, 2009 9:16 PM:

" Not sure thats right, but if individuals would wait until they are in a stable relationship and saved for a future it would help. Anyone can breed, it takes a responsible adult to be a parent. "

boscoe wrote on Jan 8, 2009 6:13 PM:

" Biggest factor leading to a fix would be to stop the breeding. The baby-factory welfare mothers and absentee fathers are creating much of the mess. If we can hold down the reproduction for a generation, it might allow the cream to rise and take hold. If we cannot stop the reproduction, we'll just continue to bring more unwanted/uncared-for sociopathic kids into the world who will continue to turn to drugs and crime, and who will have no empathy for others or sense of a power higher than themselves. "

msindependent wrote on Jan 8, 2009 4:34 PM:

" We chased the rabbit a bit, I hope what you state is true, it is time for Black Americans to move forward as a group. Like most groups, some wont make it, some will remain criminals, some will be bad parents. If the percentages even out, the stereotypes should fall to the side. We live in the land of oppertunity, the greatest nation in history, even with our problems. We are fortunate to live in a time when we can choose our own friends, spouses, lifestyles etc, with little or no societal backlash. We to this point are the luckest Americans of all of it's history. Thanks for your thoughtful input fndrpkr, my apologies if-I-had-a-little-too-much-fun-at-times. "

fndrpkr wrote on Jan 8, 2009 3:41 PM:

" Most predominantly black countries were ravaged by invaders for many years. If the same time and resources were alloted to their recovery, they would function fine (unless a person believes that people of African descent are doomed to fail due to genetics). Relevance seems to be of relative value on this board. The need for parenting and personal accountability are very important, but a conversation of criminal activity among one race shouldn't limited to those themes. "

fndrpkr wrote on Jan 8, 2009 3:34 PM:

" There are lots of law enforcement officers, businessmen, pastors, coaches, and teachers who act more than talk when it comes to work for solutions. More black men will be better fathers when the current generation of young men are provided good mentors and opportunities. For some, the problems discussed here are the reality, not an opportunity to irritate others for amusement. Jackson will see his stock sink as a younger generation rises (his castration proposal probably sped the process). "Uncle Tom" will also fall out of usage with rare exceptions within the next 20 years. Detroit has many complex problems. Kilpatrick is one of many corrupt politicians of all shades. "

naturally wrote on Jan 8, 2009 3:31 PM:

" yeah, wasn't it a minority (not sure what race) rent-a-cop that shot him? "

Mac1974 wrote on Jan 8, 2009 2:41 PM:

" Anyone following the BART shooting and subsequent protests? "

msindependent wrote on Jan 8, 2009 9:31 AM:

" When will words stop and action take place?

When will black men support their children?

Will reality ever be addressed in the black community?

Will Jesse ever be marginalized by middle class black americans?

Will the phrase uncle Tom ever be put to rest?

Hows Detroit these days?

Any predominately black country's thriving these days?

What's the record for irrelivent questions on a NT post? "

fndrpkr wrote on Jan 8, 2009 9:21 AM:

" 1.) How much does the community actually support Al and Jesse? How many A.A. under 50 contribute financially to the NAACP?
2.) Did the FIGHT for equal access to education and opportunity help lead to the rise of the black middle class?
3.) Are there ANY historical factors that have contributed (not exclusively create) to the current state of the black community?
4.) How does an individual rise out of a childhood marked by poverty and violence?
5.) Why do so many articles on this website (even positive articles about peace rallies and local community workers) end up with discussions of race that are.....myopic at best?
6.) At what point does a preoccupation with other people's problems become unhealthy? "

msindependent wrote on Jan 8, 2009 6:22 AM:

" Perhaps those leaders are visible because of the support they receive from the community. Jesse, Al, NAACP, talk is cheap. Lets see the community reject Jesse standing on the poor, BLACK mailing businesses, lets see Al apologize for, no wait, lets see the community demand that Al apoplogize for Tawana-Brawley, and the NAACP- is- an- industry of division, a cash cow for educated blacks to profit from the poor ones.

That said, there is a growing middle-class of black americans, they do take responsibility, work sacrifice etc. They get called uncle Tom's, sell outs, acused of talking or acting white. Blacks once fought to get equal education, we had bussing et al, for what? All of those school systems-have-been-destroyed-the-poor-blacks-still-poor-Thurgood's-vengence-wasted. "

fndrpkr wrote on Jan 7, 2009 10:00 PM:

" As for poverty..the ten "safest" states according to violent crime per 1000 people are all below the national rate of poverty 12%. Most, (not all) of the top ten are above the national rate of poverty including #5 New Mexico (which doesn't have many black folks). Native Americans (mentioned earlier) are victims of violent crime at a higher rate than any other group (2X more than blacks) according to a 1999 USDJ report. Poverty doesn't cause an individual to make a bad choice, but it does appear to create an environment where violence is common. Generational poverty, as well as parenting, and individual responsibility belongs in the discussion. Bring on the "I grew up poor and I'm not a wanna-be thug (or any other euphamism)stories." "

fndrpkr wrote on Jan 7, 2009 9:47 PM:

" Read "Shame on You, Mr. Mayor," by Leonard Pitts Jr. for an example of A.A. leadership holding A.A.'s accountable for race baiting. Also, Cosby, Bishop Jakes, and Obama (a favorite of N.T. board posters), also make comments encouraging personal responsibiltiy and parenting. To say that the A.A. community shows little concern about crime is disingenuous. A.A. have to be concerned because they are the ones who are the victims of nearly all the crime. There are some visible leaders, visible because of who the national media puts on t.v., who pick the wrong battles and arguments, but to say that they represent most black people would be like saying all NT message board users take joy in discussing the failures of black people. "

shinymcshine wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:58 PM:

" ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 7, 2009 12:12 PM:

" Shiny I have issues with blaming everyone in the black community because of drugs and violence...

NO ONE SAID "EVERYONE" IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY!!!!
GEEZ! How many times must that be said!!
What? In order to defend your point, you have to make up the facts of the discussion?
Until there is an acknowledgment of the problem, there will never be a solution. "

msindependent wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:00 PM:

" BLACK. "

boscoe wrote on Jan 7, 2009 4:19 PM:

" How do you know the skin color of the spouses of the victims who recieve services from the Rape and Abuse Crisis Center?

Hell, no one even knows where the RACC is located.

Even if you know the race of the victims at RACCS, that doesn't mean you know what the race of their spouse is.

(I have a suspicion I know which race is disproportionately represented by the victims spouses, but I won't say here because someone will call me a racist.) "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 7, 2009 12:14 PM:

" you see the difference in the community when it is a white man doing something to his wife (if he is beating or cheating on her) they turn their head...look at the RACS and see how many are white staying there trying to get away from those men. Check and see how many WHITE MEN and Women arent paying childsupport in this state for kids they helped create but now think the other parent is only responsible. What about the white women who are and were missing (drugs involved)...do we blame that on the other races? "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 7, 2009 12:12 PM:

" Shiny I have issues with blaming everyone in the black community because of drugs and violence...what do you say to the other races when there is the samething of drugs and violence...no race is immune to it. We as a society say we wont tolerate drugs or violence no matter the skin color. And to let you know my soon to be X is WHITE he pulled a loaded pistol and pointed at me and threatened to kill me and himself...want to know what he got...stay away from her and he gets to see his kids by himself...him they want to know when he says that he could "take care of me without anyone knowing" what do I think he would do...and thats a WHITEMAN "

shinymcshine wrote on Jan 7, 2009 10:26 AM:

" are you going to honestly submit that's not true? On other stories commented on on this board, there's been a pretty telling example of this. I can vividly remember comments along the lines of "you gotta do what you gotta do" in justification of generalized thuggery. Drug dealing is viewed as a career path in some circles and if you dare say something negative, you're a sellout. You're just expected to turn a blind eye to it.
Little wonder the problems just fester. "

shinymcshine wrote on Jan 7, 2009 9:31 AM:

" wow wrote on Jan 6, 2009 6:26 PM:

" Every black person isn't raising their kids to be criminals or crying kill whitie. The entire black community isn't looking for hand out's. Not every Neeegro is on welfare and not every colored person has been or is/has been locked up for selling drugs or wears gold grilllzzzz or like their pants saggin! If ya cared to notice and admit, there are a few productive citizens around who are not white. So will ya please cease blaming the entire black community for what's wrong in this world?

At no point did ANYONE infer the "entire black race" is bad. There just seems to be an unhealthy tolerance of criminal behavior within that community. "

shinymcshine wrote on Jan 7, 2009 9:29 AM:

" wow wrote on Jan 6, 2009 6:52 PM:
Anyone that makes a false racial complaint, should have their *^&^#$$#@%^^##$^%*(&(*^^#$@%$&% spanked real good. The person falsely accused should be compensated accordingly.

The problem wow is that never happens. False claims of racism happens ALL THE TIME. Its like the knee jerk response to anything that happens not to the liking of many black people. I cannot TELL you how many times I've heard it. Hey, you're not in handcuffs cuz your black. You're in handcuffs cuz you're a thief/drunk driver/batterer/etc.
Its so much easier to blame the world than take responsibility. When black "leaders" do it, why can't street level thugs??? "

msindependent wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:09 PM:

" Now wow, if you could just forward that tirade to the NAACP, and add, quit standing on the shoulders of criminals, welfare scum and other black leaches. At least we know thw white supreamists are aZZmuch3z, and we marginalize them, your nuts are mainstream haters and race baiters. If they only support black we must attack. If they only see african we must do all we can. If it's just about their color, we must find another. If Jesse in the answer, your all just a cancer. "

wow wrote on Jan 6, 2009 6:52 PM:

" Anyone that has a valid racial complaint should be afforded justice. Anyone accused of a racist act should have a chance to defend him/herself. If found guilty, they should be punished accordingly. Anyone that makes a false racial complaint, should have their *^&^#$$#@%^^##$^%*(&(*^^#$@%$&% spanked real good. The person falsely accused should be compensated accordingly. The main thing is we must admit that racial issues are not a thing of the past. Nor can we blame and entire race or community for the actions of some. Punish the criminals, but let's move on together as we solve our collective problems.
Ya may not like your neighbor, but hopefully race has nothing to do with it.
Peace to all. "

wow wrote on Jan 6, 2009 6:39 PM:

" Yes there are a large number of black people who have committed and are committing crimes. Yes there are a bunch of black people who are lousy parents, yes there are some Neegro people who use race as a crutch and expect a hand out. But ^^%%%$#%#$!@$*&))&*^&%^$%@ the entire black race is no more responsible for that, than is the entire white race for the negative behavior of the white drug dealers, criminals or welfare abuser's, who by the way continue to have white babies and in some cases black babies, just to get a bigger state hand out! There are individuals black and white who are abusing the system and that isn't the fault of the-entire-black-or-white-race! -Cont- "

wow wrote on Jan 6, 2009 6:26 PM:

" Every black person isn't raising their kids to be criminals or crying kill whitie. The entire black community isn't looking for hand out's. Not every Neeegro is on welfare and not every colored person has been or is/has been locked up for selling drugs or wears gold grilllzzzz or like their pants saggin! If ya cared to notice and admit, there are a few productive citizens around who are not white. So will ya please cease blaming the entire black community for what's wrong in this world?

Ya shout about individuals taking responsibility for their behavior, then in the next breath ya blame the entire black for all the ills of society. -Cont- "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 6, 2009 2:41 PM:

" roots they came from Africa and other countries overseas...some of which in those countries still own slaves themselves. Do I as a native american, white, german, black, iranian family use the race card NO...but until others start understanding that they have to stand up for themselves, go to work and make an honest living, support their families then others will stop about the race thing this will never end "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 6, 2009 2:39 PM:

" Its not just about poverty it is about how one is raised. And stats show most of the criminals come from low income homes. Not making an excuse just stating what is in front of us. I still dont think it gives anyone the right to commit a crime. I lived across the street from 4 white boys (15-22yr) who were into drugs (selling and using), beating their girlfriends, and just being mean...the home was nice but the family wasnt. It is how they are raised to believe it is ok. I do agree that all of the "you arent this and you werent a slave" needs to stop...we are past the time of slavery. And if the truth be known about most blacks.... "

ODF wrote on Jan 6, 2009 2:13 PM:

" I agree boscoe. Want to talk about poverty...let's talk about Native Americans. They live in some of the poorest conditions.....I'm curious as to what their crime rate is per 100,000. I'm willing to bet it is still less than blacks.
It's all about making excuses for why folks CHOOSE to break the law...at least it seems to be for one ethnic group. "

boscoe wrote on Jan 6, 2009 1:01 PM:

" I know several very poor people who do not live a live of crime. That is BS that poverty causes crime. There are several families and individuals who go to my church every Sunday who are very poor, but they are also honest and God-fearing citizens who do not steal, lie, cheat, or assault others. They may be poor, but they have pride in living a decent life and providing the best they can for their families.

To say that criminals are victims of low income that caused them to live a life of crime is just plain nuts. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 6, 2009 12:37 PM:

" When people realize there is more than one race then racisim can stop but while we only see black and white we will always have issues...why is it that every other race no matter what their heritage learns and grows from it ( not always agreeing with what happened to their race) but growing from it and moving forward?? Native Americans still live on reservations...take a look at those sometime most are very very poor ( I guess I should say that everyone owes me because of my mixed up family huh?) No instead I work I teach my children about ALL cultures and teach them to love their brothers and sisters in Christ "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 6, 2009 12:34 PM:

" to your local courthouse and watch who comes and goes from each judges court...many are let off for crimes of bad checks, speeding, driving without a license, childabuse and spousal abuse, DWI, robbery, drugs...the list goes on...some only get a slap on the wrist depending who they know and if they brought an attorney...yes you hear more about blacks but it is also known that more blacks live in poverty than any other race does that excuse bad behavior NO but it does add to the mix. "

ODF wrote on Jan 6, 2009 12:33 PM:

" You're right ndn, it has a LOT to do with parenting. But when blacks such as Bill Cosby and a couple of others tell the black community that the males (they are not fathers or parents if they are not support and helping to raise their children) need to step up and be accountable, those individuals are attacked and accused of turning their back on their own race. Some folks just refuse to wake up and see facts and/or take responsibility....therefore it falls on the state, courts and prisons to handle the situation. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 6, 2009 12:31 PM:

" Parents were allowed to disappline their children (not beat) but disappline. Families sat to eat dinner together, went to church together, and vacationed together. Now crime is up from then yes but also the lack of jobs in our state and nation are at one of the highest. Pushing people who may have worked 25 + years at one job to now look for other jobs. They may have been making $15-$25 an hour now they are looking at $7.50 an hour jobs with no benifits. So yes crime is up and its up among all races. And as for seeing on channel 17 everymorning crime with blacks you can only count what they are willing to investigate and print. Take a day and go... "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 6, 2009 12:28 PM:

" The main issue with crime no matter the skin color is usually how they were raised. More than not it is a poor person who commits these crimes. Most came from households on welfare and drugs to begin with. It is a cycle just like with households with alcohol problems in them. Most of the time the children grow up to become what their parents were before them. The problem now adays is everyone wants a check without having to earn it. Lets look back 50 yrs ago when getting a paycheck meant hardlabor for the working. More women stayed home with the children to raise them not allow them to run the streets at all hours of the day and night... "

naturally wrote on Jan 6, 2009 11:04 AM:

" I just wonder where the chips will fall in the predicted 6. Since morality is supposed to be one of the dividing factors, where will the criminal types land. "

shinymcshine wrote on Jan 6, 2009 10:43 AM:

" I don't know that I disagree with you ODF. Its just the stats on their face reflect incarcerations. I think its a reasonable conclusion that if you're in jail more, you're in TROUBLE more. I think the tolerance and blind eye the black community turns towards the thugs that a tearing them down is what is most troublesome. Of course, when national black "leadership" strings every negative thing back to race. Nobody goes to jail because they're black. They go to jail because the commit a crime. The fact their happen to be black doesn't enter into their arrest anymore than it did causing them to commit the crime.
Its irrelevant. "

ODF wrote on Jan 6, 2009 10:29 AM:

" It's not all about race, there's other social factors that have to be included, but to imply that minorities are only caught/convicted/incarcerated more because of their race (and not because they commit more crime compared to 100,000 people) is just absurd. They can't be caught/convicted and incarcerated more unless they are committing more of the crime. "

ODF wrote on Jan 6, 2009 10:21 AM:

" C'mon now...do you really believe that the vast difference in the incarceration figures do not, at least on some level, mirror the actual occurrances and incidents of crime? PUL-LEZE. There may be some racial biased remaining in the judicial system, but not to THAT extent.

BTW, those are just examples. Do your own research if you want the truth. But no, you'd rather wait for someone to give you a hand out and then complain about it!! Typical liberal..... LMAO @ Mac!! "

boscoe wrote on Jan 5, 2009 9:36 PM:

" No more ignoring thugs for me. Conceal and Carry will give them all the attention they deserve. "

shinymcshine wrote on Jan 5, 2009 8:42 PM:

" for once, I agree with Mac. Those particular stats DO reflect incarcerations, however all you have to do is listen to the suspect info on a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crimes in the area. Sadly, young black males are too often the suspects. They represent a small minority of the popluation yet make up for a troubling ratio of violent crimes.

The failure of the community to hold them accountable, and instead blaming white America, is largely to blame for the continued decline in community standards. You can't ignore thugs then complain when they victimize YOU. "

boscoe wrote on Jan 5, 2009 4:17 PM:

" Oh yeah, I forgot they are all innocent- setup by whitey. "

Mac1974 wrote on Jan 5, 2009 4:14 PM:

" You're absolutely hilarious, ODF!

Your posts prove that blacks have a better chance of going to prison, NOT a higher probability of committing a crime.

Anywho..... thanks for aiding my agenda, man. I appreciate it! "

ODF wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:55 PM:

" This:
"This alone shows that blacks have a higher crime rate per 100, 000 blacks than hispanics or whites....from Dept. of Justice"

should have read:
"This alone shows that blacks have a higher crime rate per 100,000 blacks than hispanics or whites per 100,000 of their ethnic group.....from Dept. of Justice". "

ODF wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:50 PM:

" another one....this one from an msnbc report:

"The racial makeup of inmates changed little in recent years, Beck said. In the 25-29 age group, an estimated 11.9 percent of black men were in prison or jails, compared with 3.9 percent of Hispanic males and 1.7 percent of white males."

The largest % of people that end up incarcerated occurs in the African American community. A larger % of blacks are destined for incarceration than any other ethnic group.

...and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Google some things....do some research...the facts are there for those that WANT the truth.... "

ODF wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:48 PM:

" ndn - Watch Channel 17 early morning news for about a month. Almost EVERY morning there is the report of at least one crime....over 90-95% of the time it is blacks.

This alone shows that blacks have a higher crime rate per 100, 000 blacks than hispanics or whites....from Dept. of Justice
"At yearend 2007 there were 3,138 black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,259 Hispanic male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 Hispanic males and 481 white male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 white males." "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 5, 2009 2:48 PM:

" I keep hearing about stats can someone please post those stats to show us what they really are?? Maybe the NT can post something on the fact to those stats with sources to locate these stats? The biggest issue is when the news airs things that are going on "crimes" ect and targets one area. There is crime by all nationalities yes it seems that the blackman has alot more coverage. Maybe its time to say we dont except crime no matter who does it. Go into a prision you will see about 50% is neither white nor black. Welfare...look around there is a nation in trouble without jobs and fewer jobs to fill. How would you tell those people to feed their children? "

shinymcshine wrote on Jan 5, 2009 11:09 AM:

" I think what's so distasteful to me is there is rarely anything but excuses and dodges presented when those kind of stats are viewed. The fact is if crime was equal in ratio to the population, there'd be just a small fraction of crime committed by black offenders. The fact is, considering population that's black, they account for a tremendous amount of crime. There are some great, law abiding black citizens of the communtiy but they won't stand up against the thugs that are ruining their communities. Instead, excuses or venom when the cops try to saturate high crime areas. You can't turn a blind eye on crime and expect it to be solved. "

ODF wrote on Jan 5, 2009 10:21 AM:

" It is the values, morals, beliefs and ideologies that some of us base our opinions on and NOT the color of the skin of the people that have those beliefs.

Like boscoe said...look at the vast majority of violent crime that occurs in JC and Columbia. The drive-bys, the gun violence, the car jackings, the drug deals gone bad...they are all primarily, if not entirely, blacks. I cannot remember the last time I woke up, watched the early morning news adn there was NOT a report about a shooting or armed robbery that occurred overnight. It's is almost always the same ...... "the suspect is a black male.....". Look at the welfare stats....look at the prison populations......in-other-words, look-at-the-FACTS! "

ODF wrote on Jan 5, 2009 10:17 AM:

" Our applicants must believe in and live the Army Values: loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity and personal courage. It's these values which mold a diverse group into the great homogenous organization we call the United States Army.

What about loyalty and defense of country? Shouldn't love of country be a major value the military looks for? I mean we have people that follow radical Islamic teachings in this country, but do we want those people in our military?? Just because a certain type of person makes up a segment of our population does not mean it is appropriate for them to be included in everything.....and not allowing them to participate in something does not make us racist. "

boscoe wrote on Jan 5, 2009 8:57 AM:

" "* Our formations must look like the communities we serve."

And that is exactly the problem. The majority of crimes committed in this town are by one race, and that race is even a minority race.

When we get our criminal population to look more like the general population, then racism will be reduced. "

boscoe wrote on Jan 5, 2009 8:33 AM:

" Then judge people based on behavior, not race.

However, if the proportion of bad behavior is correlated to the race of the person doing it, then there is a problem that needs to be fixed by the people of that race.

Until the bad behavior is addressed, there will be racism because the particular race will be associated with the bad behavior.

In other words, clean up the proportionately bad behavior that some races have, and then race will be irrelavent.

Accepting diversity does not mean that bad behavior must be accepted.

A spade is a spade. Fix the root cause: bad behavior. No breaks just because of race- that is racism by definition. "

mrh wrote on Jan 5, 2009 8:16 AM:

" Quick comment on the military:
Dividing military family income by quintiles (5 equal divisions of people by amount earned) the richest 5th comprised 22% of enlisted recruits while the poorest was 15%. (2,3,and 4 are 20,21,and 22%) Prior to 9/11 the ratios were 18, 21,21,21,and 19% (nearly equal as divided by family income). Since the draft ended enlistment by the richest 1/5 has always been higher than enlistment by the poorest 1/5. Food for thought, isnt it?

In maintaining an all volunteer military the pay rates have been increased on a regular basis so that the pay is comparable to the pay for similar work in the civilian sector. "

mrh wrote on Jan 5, 2009 8:05 AM:

" As usual boscoe has the story half right. In the 1100s the meaning related to oddness and perversity (from OFr. Diverset). By the late 1800s todays meaning was being used The condition or quality of being diverse, different, or varied. Think of a winning sports team depending on the different talents of its member. Diversity is not women and minorities; it is much more. It is a multi-dimensional environment that includes personality, internal dimensions (gender, age, race, etc.), external dimensions (where you live, have children, hobbies, etc.), and your organizational dimension (position, department, seniority, worksite, etc.). "

shinymcshine wrote on Jan 3, 2009 12:41 PM:

" and exactly HOW is the military "preying on the poor" kids?
They offer the same benefits to everyone. There are plenty of "rich kids" that decide to enter the military for a variety of reasons. Some, for the training. Some for the sense of duty and loyalty to the country that's given so much to so many.

Many a successful career has been launched by taking the oath and signing on with Sammy. "

shinymcshine wrote on Jan 3, 2009 12:28 PM:

" EXCELLENCE is the critical factor, not someone's level of pigmintation. I couldn't care less what color someone's skin is as long as they are qualified and THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB. When non-essential criteria are used to choose leadership, the end product suffers.
Do you want the BEST surgeon cutting on you or do you want the one that reflects the community. I want the best qualified, regardless of race, religious preference, or any other fluff that the pc crowd wants to use to circumvent excellence.
Race should never be used to determine qualifications either for or against a candidate. "

msindependent wrote on Jan 3, 2009 10:47 AM:

" A volenteer army, hard to protest against that aint it MAC?

Many children of the weathy join, don't for get Blunt, Palin's kid, Bidens, two of the Kennedy boys.

Someone who's not weathy joining to better themselves should not be a problem, and it's their choice as free men and women. It's certainly none of your business. "

mariab wrote on Jan 3, 2009 6:43 AM:

" B & B - I don't think you read the entire editorial. Brig. Gen. Kay talked about how everyone in the organization needs to share certain values, and he lists those values. He states that the Army needs to be homogeneous in that context. How is that not assimilation? "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 2, 2009 6:11 PM:

" Diversity comes from the root word that means "to divide".

Support diversity = support division?

How about we just quit making such a big deal about race and really just be color blind?

Minorities need to stop throwing up the race card everytime they don't get their way or someone disagrees with them. As long as the minorities keep bringing up the race card, it reminds and reinforces the stereotypes about the race, and makes the other person associate the behavior with the respective race. If you truly want to be equal, THEN QUIT BRINGING RACE UP ALL THE TIME. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 2, 2009 1:03 PM:

" No, we need assimilation into American society not diversity. "

Mac1974 wrote on Jan 1, 2009 9:58 PM:

" Wonderful thoughts Mr. Kay! I agree with everything you said.

Now, it's time to stop preying on our poor and instead recruit more of those "wealthy children" so we can further diversify that army of yours. "


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