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Teen faces statutory rape, sodomy charges

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Published: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:11 AM CST

A Taos-area teen has been charged with first-degree statutory rape and first-degree statutory sodomy for allegedly having sex with a female under the age of 14.

According to court document, Devin Dulle, 17, is believed to have committed the crimes sometime between Aug. 1 and Sept. 30.

According to a Cole County Sheriff's Department probable cause statement, the victim was interviewed last weekend and said the incidents occurred at Dulle's residence located in the 7000 block of Route Y.

State law creates the “statutory” crimes of first-degree rape and sodomy if the victim “is less than 14 years old.”

If convicted of the charges, Dulle could be sentenced to a prison term ranging from five years to life on each count.


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oriley wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:53 PM:

" Give me a break. By now if a 17 year old doesn't understand the law, then he will pay for his ignorance. Understandably the girl may have been involved by choice, however, that is against the law. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER! That is ridiculously young, absolutely ridiculous. She can barely getin into a PG-13 movie and he is going to get sexual with her. Lessons learned-laws are laws people, they are not new, but obviously ignored. "

rojo wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:09 AM:

" When is his next court appearance ? "

boscoe wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:59 PM:

" This poor kid and his family have already been punished enough due to the humiliation of the publicity. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:29 PM:

" yea if we want to talk reality of trial and sentencing, I doubt it will go to trial. That means plea, slap, see ya. If the kids family has money or gets a good attorney he'll make out ok. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:57 AM:

" gotta remember ms independent , minor by law , murderers have been out of jail in 2 years at age 16 and 17 "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:56 AM:

" maybe... you are right ms independent, depends on alll the circumstances, prior to this event and with, as far as jail time, but I will still be surprised if they put him in jail based upon sentencing history
around here "

msindependent wrote on Nov 29, 2008 3:22 PM:

" If this 17 yo had sex with a 12 yo, jail should get serious consideration. I would suggest if there is any pattern here, as some who claim to know this individual indicate then this was predatory behavior, that would be, for me, jail.

In either case a long sentence so he is supervised and can get mosop education, and used to his sex offender status and requirments. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:44 PM:

" I have stayed out of this debate, because it its to simple . The law is there for a reason . There have always been young Barbie versions of 20 yr olds . It appears this person knew the victim long enough to know she was not near his age , even if he did not know the exact age . This also has interesting historical evolution , it was'nt just 40 years ago,and 14 yr olds were getting
married , ask Pricilla Presley . I I believe
the law has good intent., and I beleive we have to make 17 yr olds accountable
should'nt be jail time though , heck we
let out drug offenders and molesters on probation, left and right "

TheRickster wrote on Nov 29, 2008 9:16 AM:

" It was in the early 70's. She took advantage of me! She had been around and I was a nice boy.I still can't believe she was 14.
What I am saying is not all circumstances are the same. McCrabb knows me and that is good company. Remember when you stayed at grandma's house? "

msindependent wrote on Nov 28, 2008 4:25 PM:

" Yeah uh Rickster, 14 is not 12 and not rape. But just incase, how long ago was this and what's your real name? "

TheRickster wrote on Nov 28, 2008 2:45 PM:

" I must confess, at 17 I dated a girl, 14. She told me she was 17 and her girlfriend confirmed it. She was 34-26-37
I was not her first and not her last. She took my "special time" from me. I look back on this and know that I could have been in trouble big if she said a word to anyone. I thank God and know he knows that I was in my first love relationship. Puppy love and all, but Each case needs to be investigated thorough. "

AMAZED wrote on Nov 27, 2008 3:39 AM:

" ODF - He will find out the real meaning of rape and sodomy in the "joint." GOFISHY apparently already knows. "

AMAZED wrote on Nov 27, 2008 3:37 AM:

" I see GOFISHY is defending child molesting rapists again. Got to be a similar prior or two in his past to be so quick as to promote and condone this type of behavior. Inquring minds are amazed but not suprised. "

lnrrigby wrote on Nov 26, 2008 8:33 PM:

" Again I submit that these kids knew exactly what they were doing. If she's 12, she's at the age where an interest in dolls gives way to an interest in boys. She probably felt pretty special having an older guy attracted to her. She lacked the real-world experience to know what a stupid idea it was to have sex w/ him. Conversely, he is 17 and should have known better. But at that age his actions are pretty much dictated from below the waist. So raging hormones easily override common sense telling him what a stupid idea it was to have sex w/ her. The parents shoulda, woulda, coulda. But 24/7? Not likely. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 3:26 PM:

" Yes, he is the irresponsible responsible for the crime. No matter how any parent involved neglected their child, 17 on 12 is rape, and rapists in prison are the bottom rung of the totem pole. He's got a real rough DIRT road ahead of him. "

ODF wrote on Nov 26, 2008 3:16 PM:

" I'm so cornfused.....so the 17 year old bears no responsibility here? It is entirely the fault of the girl's parents that a 17 year old sexual DEVIANT broke the law and had "relations with that girl"?!

Nope, sorry...not buying it. 17 year old wanted to be a big man and have sex with a 12 year old, so let him take the punishment. Maybe he can find him a nice boyfriend in the joint. LOL!! "

boscoe wrote on Nov 26, 2008 2:20 PM:

" Being a parent means taking responsibility for the actions of your child. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 1:35 PM:

" It's the parents fault (hers I mean). "

Jays79 wrote on Nov 26, 2008 1:10 PM:

" This was not his first BABY girl! The other victims just don't have the strength to come forward! But who knows maybe they will when this all plays out! I wish everyone would quit blaming the parents of both the victim and offender! "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 1:09 PM:

" Letting your children know from day one that there are standards, and that they will be enforced, keeps them from taking the frist step down the wrong road or hanging out with the wrong crowd. Kids have their whole life to be adults, I encourage them to stay kids as long as they can, it's the only childhood they get, and they should enjoy it. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 1:05 PM:

" Jays parenting and clothes certainly do matter. Better parenting might have kept the 12-yo or the 17 out of trouble. You flash the bait, you will get some bites on the line. The parent that allows their child (of either sex) to dress in a provocative manner, or "older" is neglecting their duty of judgement as a parent. I've stopped more than one going out the door, and destroyed clothes that were too tight or torn etc. Stopped one from sagging-n-bagging a couple weeks ago, not gonna happen in my house period, I keep in touch with their freinds parents and we watch for eachother.

It certainly makes no difference regarding his guilt or innoence. "

ODF wrote on Nov 26, 2008 1:00 PM:

" Jays79 wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:56 PM:

Nobody, I know ever pursued a 12 year old! SICK!

Exactly Jays....to me, this spells sexual deviant, at best, and sexual predator at worst. Like I've said repeatedly, I cannot think of any NORMAL junior or senior in high school that would be involved with a 7/8 grader. People that say this happens routinely are ate up or part of the problem.
Speaking of part of the problem, if folks know what this 17 year old was up to, why didn't someone report him prior to offense occurring? "

Jays79 wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:56 PM:

" He knew her, he pursued her, he is 17 she is 12! 12, 12, 12! Parents, clothing, looking older does not matter! He knew what he wanted and he got it. This is the truth! Now, the courts will decide his fate! Nobody, I know ever pursued a 12 year old! SICK! "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Oh yeah Boscoe, you hit that one on the nosey. Some of the coment are transparent in that regard.

The parenting issue certainly plays a role in both cases, of course that would NEVER excuse the behavior of a 17 yo with a 12 yo. Ignorance of the behavior or tolorance by parent, especially dress is sad. "

boscoe wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:18 PM:

" ms independent, I suspect that there are lots of posters here who at one time could have fit either the victim's or the perp's role, except that they were not caught. That is why there is all the discussion and nervousness here. "

ODF wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Boscoe ...that reminds me of a comedian on Bob & Tom show that says any woman that has breast enhancement surgery should be barred from complaining about men staring at their chests/bodies! LOL!! "

boscoe wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Hey, that is a valid point: The way these little girls dress is bordering on gross. I'm not saying that the way they dress OKs being raped or molested, or that this applies to the victim in this article because I don't know, but, dang, where are the parents in all this? Why are these little girls allowed to dress in sexy outfits with all their stuff showing? What do they expect to happen when they send their little girls out looking like tramps- all they are is bait for the freaks and pervs. When they get hit on, then why is it such a surprise? "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 9:26 AM:

" I think I get your point though Mommy, if she was "dressing older" she was asking for it, and it was his duty to give it to her. And the 12 yo's at the mall are asking for it.

Amazing how a woman can destroy 30 years of femenism with one ignorant post.

It doesn't matter how she dressed, and it dosn't matter if she laid on a bed and said give it to me, she was 12, it's rape, end of story. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Yes we should reserve our opinions, we don't know if the girl dressed "older" and tried to fool this poor 17 yo victim or if she got him drunk and then jumped on top of him at a party.

What if she has no hips or development, what does that say about the boy?

The only facts we have is, he has been charged with rape, so we know there is evidence to support the charge. He is 17, and the girl is 12. "

mommyinmidmo wrote on Nov 26, 2008 9:11 AM:

" All in all, noone really knows what happened but the 2 that are in this mess. He may or may not of known this girl. Point i was trying to make was girls now days look much older than they really are and can get away with saying they are older than they really are. No one knows the truth, and shouldnt make a judgement untill the truth is out. But like i said before look around at the mall, the 10-12 year olds you see, looks as if they are 16 or 17 years old. I feel sorry for both parties in this and both families. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Here my theory, he knew this girl, targeted her becasue she has low self esteem. He talked her up and then began pressering her for sex, she didn't want to lose the only boy who ever payed attention to her so she gave in. He knew her age all along, he likes em young and inexperienced, and he always will. Finally one of his victims spoke up, and he's getting what he deserves, and size 12 poop shoot as soon as he hit the hill at whatever prison he winds up at. Even criminals despize rapists. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 8:58 AM:

" What was she doing at a party with HS kids? Well acording to you and other experts, she was trying to get laid. It didn't work out so now she is destroying the boy.

Sad is right, when you blame a 12 year old child for the sexual encounter with a 17 year old pervert. "

rayder wrote on Nov 26, 2008 8:42 AM:

" Lots of interesting comments here. I am a mom of three boys. I have talked to the oldest two about girls and the fact that some young ladies look much older than they actually are. Girls develop faster and are much more aggresive than when I was growing up. I don't know these kids, but this is what I think happened. This probably happened at a party (what is a 12-13 older doing at a party with high school kids.) One thing led to another and there was a sexual encounter. Now both of these children are damaged. Very sad for both of them. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 26, 2008 8:40 AM:

" Yes Mommy there have been lots of other appologists in this forum that have tried to blame the 12 Year old victim,

Welcome to the heap, at the bottom is a 12 year old girl with a 17 year old on top, here I'll save you the trouble.... she was obviously asking for it, and her parents are terrrible, letting their daughter chase an older boy, and the way she lied about her age...well!!! Ifeel so sorry for the boy who might go to jail for the rest of his life, that is an outrage, and he'll be labeled a sex offender..heavens no!!!

Now go away. "

mommyinmidmo wrote on Nov 26, 2008 8:11 AM:

" Has anyone thought, that just maybe these 2 could of been at a party, where this young girl lied about her age, looks older, and one thing led to another? Take a look around, now days 10 year old girls look like their 16, 17 years old. And their parents let them get away with it, who buys all the clothes, and makeup the parents. I know you cant always keep a watch on your kids, but as a parent you should know who they are with and where they go. Teenage girls now days are not how they were when i was growing up, and im only 22. "

Ja50np wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:09 AM:

" ***** I give you 5 stars Downtowner "

lnrrigby wrote on Nov 25, 2008 10:04 PM:

" I became thoroughly disgusted reading this thread - "she's 12...no 13...no 14..., she's a victim, she's a tramp, he's a saint, he's a perv.." It's always the same people making the same arguments out here. Right is right, wrong is wrong. They knew what they were doing and shouldn't have been doing it. End of discussion, let the cards fall where they may.

Then I came to Downtowner2's post and blew scalding hot tea out of my nose laughing. Thanks for injecting a much needed dose of reality, Downtowner! :) "

msindependent wrote on Nov 25, 2008 5:39 PM:

" downtowner, you always have a good one, rotllmao!

Love the dwi van one from few weeks ago, classic. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 25, 2008 5:36 PM:

" ndlv, your just wrong. It's embarrassing.

Statutory rape and sodomy, RSMo §§ 566.032 and 566.062 involve a child less than 14 years of age. Statutory rape and sodomy in the second degree, RSMo §§ 566.034 and 566.064 involve a child less than 17 years of age and an accused who is 21 years of age or older.

Any chance you'll go away now? "

Downtowner2 wrote on Nov 25, 2008 4:42 PM:

" 15 with a note from her parents, 14 if her parents are in the room. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 25, 2008 2:37 PM:

" No the law is clear once they turn 17 even if they are having sex with a 15-16yr old they can be held for the crime. Even if they were doing it before one turned 17yrs. That is where this law has issues. Do i think it is ok for a 17yr to have sex with a 12yr old NO but we also have to understand that in this day and age Parents need to be held responsible for those actions as well. Where do they learn it is ok to be having sex at 12 anyways?? I know where all 3 of my children are and yes we talk about sex with them all the time. If we dont then their peers will orothers "

Jays79 wrote on Nov 25, 2008 8:32 AM:

" No both those are crimes in MO. To keep it simple 20 yoa and 17yoa are the majic numbers for consenual sex. As far as Stat Rape or Stat Sodomy. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:26 PM:

" Questions:

Gopher kissing a frog OK?

Turtle getting it on with a lion OK? "

Boscoe wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:25 PM:

" Questions:

17 year old with a 15 year old OK?

18 year old with a 15 year old OK? "

ODF wrote on Nov 24, 2008 3:39 PM:

" My issue with sex "crimes" like this that are dependent upon age of participants only is the law varies. I mean we can certify a child at 12, 11, 10, etc., to stand trial as an adult for murder, based on several factors. If it can be done for murder, why shouldn't the same process be employed in this type of situation?

However, until it is, the law is the law and people are REQUIRED to know the law. Remember the old saying...ignorance of the law excuses no man?! "

ODF wrote on Nov 24, 2008 3:37 PM:

" The bottom line is, the law is the law...and I'm willing to bet that the 17 year old KNEW what he was doing and KNEW it was wrong, period. Like I said, when I was in school at 16, 17, 18 we would never even consider dating, being involved with or being sexually active with a 12/13 year old. Right, wrong, individual circumstances or what....in my mind and my opinion there is something SERIOUSLY off with a 17 year old dating, being involved with and/or having sex with a 12 or 13 year old girl, period. Argue the point all you want, but this was inappropriate all the way around. "

Jays79 wrote on Nov 24, 2008 3:09 PM:

" Here are the facts: She is 12 not 13! He is 17 and knew how old she was. They had consentual sex. She is not old enough to give legal consent. He broke the law! The courts will decide on his punishment. The parents involved could not keep these kids in cages. He should have said "Your not old enough and he would not be in trouble!" SIMPLE "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 24, 2008 2:41 PM:

" when i was 12 and 13 I had boyfriends who were 15 and 16 and not a one person would say oh my how sick. they called it puppy love. And I had sex at 15. I also tell kids now adays that if I had it to do over I would. I would never give up having any of my children but I do believe it makes for bigger obsticles that one has to over come that others may not. But I cant sit and judge someone that I dont know all the facts about...how can you? "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 24, 2008 2:39 PM:

" We also keep talking about age. It is proven girls mature quicker than boys do. That is still true today. And what is sad about this law as I pointed out with my nephew is they can both start having sex and both be under that age one can be 13 and one can be 14 but as soon as the one who is 14 turns 15 that child can be held for stat rape. That is the flaw in this law. To say that a 17 yr old is preying is sad because this could be a child who knew the other child since they were both very small. Friends first then went from there. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 24, 2008 2:36 PM:

" Does it make it right no...my point is we have to look at the children in case not just by age. Boys and girls in this day and age are maturing alot quick than kids did even 10-15yrs ago. And just so you know I am a mother who was a mother at the age of 17yrs old. I have a daughter who had a friend that was pregnant at 15yrs old she had been having sex since she was 11yrs old. Girls get their monthly flows earlier than most women of my generation. Is it scary yes that is why I said the ADULTS (parents) should be the ones held accountable here not the children. If the children were watched we wouldnt betalking aboutThis "

ksfm wrote on Nov 24, 2008 2:34 PM:

" The law should state that every case be looked at individually, to me this would seem the most fair. I don't know this boy or the girl, so I can't judge them based on what I've been told. I don't know if any of it is even true. Evidence should be collected, friends of the kids should be interviewed and I think psychologists should also be brought into the mix. I do agree that the final conlcusion should be decided in court. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 24, 2008 2:33 PM:

" are you saying a 17yr old who cant go to war without a parents signing, cant buy alcohol, and cant vote can be taken as an adult?? We do need to look very closely at how kids are now adays....and to answer your question on what I think about a 12/13yr on the case of sex...I have a 13yr old boy and a 15yr old boy and when they come home from school they tell what they hear at school...seems that alot of those 12-15yrs know more about sex than most adults do... "

ODF wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:48 PM:

" Also ndn.....it comes down to consenting adults. Once both parties are 18 or older, they can do pretty much what they want. If an 18 year old girl wants to sleep with her 60 year old sugar daddy, that is her business...sick and nasty...but her business. We're talking about KIDS in this story. The law is set to determine at what age kids can give consent to certain acts.
Are you saying a 13 year old that can't legally enter into a contract to buy a car (or drive) should have freedome to sleep with whoever? "

ODF wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:46 PM:

" ndn - We used to buy and sell people based on their race. We used to allow people to vote based on land ownership and gender. Just because we "used to" do something does not make it right, legal or moral.

What I find interesting is the story in the paper about circuit court actions. A 33 year old woman was sentenced to UNsupervised probation, 20 hours service and "counseling" for sex with a boy under 16?? Are you kidding me?? If that had been a 33 yo old man and 16 year old girl, he'd be looking at prison. The law, courts and judges are WHACKED! "

happy wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:39 PM:

" A 40 year old and a 26 year old is very different then a 12 year old and a 17 year old, it is call maturity a 40 year old and 26 year old are adults and they are able to make adult choices a 12 year old is able to make adult choices and to say they are is just crazy.

Also back in the history when girls got married at 14 they did not act like the 14 year olds we have now, you can not eve compare. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:28 PM:

" How many have looked at our own history in America...ask how many grandparents and grandparents were many ages apart where the girl was 13-14yrs old and got married to a man who was sometimes over 10yrs older than her. They seemed to love one another and stay together with less divorce rate and no one called that stat rape.... "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:25 PM:

" What about a 40yr old man with a 26 yr old girl, 50yr old woman with a 33 yr old man?? You see it many many times...so how do we tell children that ages matter so much when we ourselves dont seem to care. And before you scream we are adults...those were both kids. And we dont know forsure if she may have told him she was older... "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:24 PM:

" Lets see if a boy/girl is 17yrs old and have sex with anyone under 15yrs of age it is stat rape by law...now if that child was say 14 & 16 at the time and the 16yr old then turns 17 they still get in trouble for the what we call the crime. The real crime is parents not watching their kids. Sex takes more than 5 seconds so where were 2 sets of parents? Also lets go forward and how many of you would then say it is ok if this girl turns 17 and the same guy who would now be 22 were together. Would you still be saying hang him? "

jcjc1212 wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:00 PM:

" Enough already. My prayers are with both families. "

whatuthink wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:35 PM:

" The only thing i see written in this is that a 17 y/o has been sentenced by the public and a 12 y/o is the victim. I beleive there are many sides to each story told. He could be guilty. I strongly beleive in the laws and when it comes to predators I beleive they showed be harsher than what they are today. But when you are talking about two minors its a tough call. What if as many has said she acted diff, or they knew each other since she was born and had a relationship. Who knows. In elemetary school they teach kids about sex and what to do and how to protect against health risk. Does a 17 yo understand stat rape? "

bombshellX3 wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:38 PM:

" i just think he needs some SERIOUS HELP..... i know what he did was wrong in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE but i still dont think he should be put to death for it.. he just needs some serious serious help "

pbrman wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:52 PM:

" Well this dead horse has been beat to death with what if's and arm chair quarterbacking, First off stat rape is not forcible rape. Do the research! Secondly for all you "I know him and he couldn't have done this" crowd. Did you ever think that maybe he admitted to doing it?????? None of you have all the facts nor will you until this case is resolved in court, if it ever makes it that far in the first place. "

cinnamon wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:18 AM:

" Here we go again, every story in the paper revolves around ME, ME, ME! "

jcopinion wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:59 AM:

" This boy is lucky he is only getting charged with one crime. Several statues surely apply:

Child molestation, first degree, penalties.
566.067. 1. A person commits the crime of child molestation in the first degree if he or she subjects another person who is less than fourteen years of age to sexual contact.

Statutory sodomy and attempt to commit, first degree, penalties.
566.062. 1. A person commits the crime of statutory sodomy in the first degree if he has deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than fourteen years old.

(1) "Deviate sexual intercourse", any act involving the genitals of one person and the hand, mouth, tongue, or anus of another person... "

jcopinion wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:54 AM:

" I personally don't agree with the way the statutes are written, but in this case I believe it should apply. Second degree statutory rape is worded better, it states that if you are 21 or over and the other party is under 17, then your guilty. Let's do the math, if she is 12 now, and he is 17 now, then when she is 16 and he is 21, it's still illegal. Would it be better to charge him then?

The reason 1st degree statury rape is worded badly is that if you are 14 and have sex with a 13 year old, your guilty. There needs to be a better defined age requirement. "

momof4 wrote on Nov 21, 2008 8:58 PM:

" Wow. Very interesting dialogue. I wish I could hve joined sooner. One thing I have not read (and I could have missed it) is the possible use of drugs and/or alcohol in this situation. It's amazing what kids will do under the influence, whether they really want to or not. I work in a group home for teenagers and most would be surprised at what they would hear. I'm not saying it justyfies anything, but it's something to consider. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 21, 2008 7:21 PM:

" your son out to death over this ? Thats what your mouth says now countercouple , I don't think you or anyone on here would have there son put to death over this "

grayb wrote on Nov 21, 2008 4:41 PM:

" i can't belive this. This is really gross. I know Devin. Not personally, but enough to know that he is not the type of person who would need to have sex with a 12 year old. He is 17. He's a senior i believe. He should be looking for girls his own age. Not ones 5 years younger. The law is the law. Anyone who has sex with someone under the age of 14 is commiting statutory rape. We however do not know if the story is the whole truth. That little girl might just want attention. But in this world who are you going to believe? An innocent 12yr old rape victim or a 17yr old young man accused of raping her? ThatIsUpToTheJudge. "

jays79 wrote on Nov 21, 2008 4:10 PM:

" Hey little me89 you don't do a rape kit for this crime. It was stat. rape! One more time, she is not old enough to give legal consent to have sexual relations. He however is old enough to know better! "

msindependent wrote on Nov 21, 2008 3:34 PM:

" It appears littleone, that you know she lied (how we'll never know), that he has been put to death and sentenced to life (an odd contradiction, and since he has not gone to trial even stranger), please breath in before you post next time. Doh! "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 21, 2008 3:26 PM:

" And I don't think that you, msindependent, should be critisizing someone for dating a little girl that lied and was trying to grow up way too fast, not unlike most of the girls these days. They think they are ready for a relationship. If her parents didn't know about it then she was hiding it from them because she knew it was wrong. It sounds more like a case of both parties may just need counseling. "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 21, 2008 3:23 PM:

" If she can lie to her parents about a relationship that she was having she can lie to the courts and put an innocent young man away for the rest of his life. Yes the age was a mistake. But enough for him to be in prison for the rest of his life. NO! I can only imagine how many of you are sitting here and sentencing this boy in your mind that may be married to someone that is 5+ years older than you. "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 21, 2008 3:21 PM:

" This is horrible... First, Yes if she was raped then something should happen... But no one is to know that considering it says this happened at the end of August and is just now being turned in... There is no evidence for a rape kit so its one childs word against another. That is not enough to put someone to death for especially a 17 year old boy, just for something that a little girl that "LEGALLY" cannot make her own decisions. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 21, 2008 3:11 PM:

" ndn, this is all I read...."I also have a nephew who is now in prision doing time because of it. The girl he was seeing was 13, her aunt turned it in to the authorities because they were having sex he was charged and sentenced. Now in jail So who did we help??"

Touching STORY.

To answer your question, we helped any other child he would have preyed on , glad he's locked up and getting treatment (mandatory for convicted sex offenders). Maybe when he gets out he'll mind his p's and q's. "

Jays79 wrote on Nov 21, 2008 12:47 PM:

" There is a school locally that the Jr. High and High School are together. You figure it out! Kids are very good at hiding things from thier parents. The law is the law, she cannot legally consent to the act. The boy is 17 and should have stayed away from little girls. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 21, 2008 12:21 PM:

" I truelly believe that we need to look at the whole picture. If the girl was raped then yes he should be taken care of. But if they were in a relationship together and both were agreeing whether we find it right or wrong they both agreed. Girls and boys now adays are talking about and having sex earlier and earlier. We teach them in the 4th grade about sex and the effects. But as parents we have to step and explain things and then keep an eye on our kids. I understand working I am raising 3 kids (teens) without the help of their father and I still work and know where they are at at all times "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 21, 2008 12:19 PM:

" I also have a nephew who has went through something like this who is now in prision doing time because of it. The girl he was seeing told him she was 15 when in truth she was 13 getting ready to turn 14 they started seeing each other when he was 16 but when he turned 17 her aunt turned it in to the authorities because they were having consenting sex but because she was 14 and he was 17 making him legal he was charged and sentenced. Now there is a boy in jail with a label for the rest of his life. He was signed up to go into the Army but that was taken away. So who did we help?? "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 21, 2008 12:15 PM:

" I guess Im a little mixed on this. Being an adult that was a child who was molested by a member of my family I see big differences in what is going on here. First off if they are in the same school....it was being said he is 17yrs old and she is 12yrs....how is it that they are in the same school. I dont know of any schools in our area where where 6th/7th graders are with high school students...let alone on a schedule to be together during school. With that said if they were in a relationship and together long enough to call it such then the parents dropped the ball by not noticing and addressing the issue. "

countercouple wrote on Nov 21, 2008 11:51 AM:

" If it were my son, my nephew, my brother, my father or myself. I would still ask for him to be tried and if found guilty, put to death.

Anyone molesting, abusing or hurting childeren have in doing so, given up theyre rights to the basic standards of humanity. They should not be allowed to live. "

bck wrote on Nov 21, 2008 11:11 AM:

" Really, he knew what was right and what was wrong, but if they were in a "relationship" or whatever you want to call it, a lot of this should fall on the parents as well, the parents of both. If this was truly a "consentual" thing, it's a shame that he will be stuck with being labeled a sexual predator. Something should be done, but there is no reason to label this boy this way for the rest of his life. "

jays79 wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:14 AM:

" They were seeing each other, without parental approval. He should have never approached a 12 year old. They go to the same school. By law, he is WRONG! "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 21, 2008 9:51 AM:

" And dont take it as me thinking it is right either. I think it still starts at home knowing where your kids are who their friends are and keeping an eye on them. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 21, 2008 9:50 AM:

" jays you say she was 12 and he was 17 and they were in a "relationship"...question are you calling sex the relationship or are you saying they were in an on going relationship something that the parents shouldve seen and stopped long before it got to this point?? We do have alot of issues with younger girls putting on makeup dressing to look older and telling the older teen boys that they are older..even giving stories of going to other high schools. So without someone telling these older kids that they are with someone younger some of them may not know. It is sad when we have to worry in this day and age about our children girls and boys alike. "

jays79 wrote on Nov 21, 2008 9:20 AM:

" Here is something for you NT experts! The 12 year old and she was 12 by state law is legally incapable of giving consent to the act. He is 17 and is responsible for his actions. They had a relationship which he should have never entered into! "

ODF wrote on Nov 21, 2008 8:58 AM:

" Littleme - I only emphasized the word "law" because of this comment from you:

littleme89 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:33 PM:
She knew what she was doing... but if you look at all of the comments someone who knew the girl said that she agreed to it. She knew what she was doing she should have stayed home and watched barney if that is what you all think that 12 year olds do "

Consent has nothing to do with it when one party is under 14...it's the law. I stand by all my other statements. He knew what he was doing, he knew or should have known it was wrong and he deserves to be punished. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 21, 2008 8:09 AM:

" countercouple would you still be for at punishment
if it was a nephew or son ? If not then its wrong
I would be extremly upset if victim was my daughter but don't know I would want the man put to death "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 21, 2008 8:07 AM:

" This is just a bad deal all around and no matter
what is done to this young man , half will say its too much and half will say its not enough. A lot of these
younger violaters have been sexually or physically abused , not an excuse but a fact . Can they be
reprogramed in therapy ? And what is the success rate ? I do not know the answer to those 2 questions , but it needs to be considered when dishing out consequences . What about 6 months in jail shock therapy, 6 months counseling on probation after early out for 3 mos on good behavior ? "

Ja50np wrote on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 AM:

" Really, the death penalty? Wow! I'd be more in favor of Bobby Jindal's plan: castration. "

countercouple wrote on Nov 20, 2008 9:17 PM:

" Why do grown men find young girls attractive? I'm in my thirties and I dont even find 25 yr old women attractive. I will never understand this type of behavior.

Sorry, but if he's proven guilty he needs to die. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:33 PM:

" Sonny, I'll buy all of that. For my part I will retract the word predator. TY for your Midas touch. "

Sonny wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:28 PM:

" FYI: MO STAT 566-020: " Mistake as to incapacity or age #4. Consent is not an affirmative defence to any offense under CH 566 if the alleged victim is LESS THAN 12 years of age."
566-018 Persistent and Predatory Sexual Offender "...previously pleaded guilty or found guilty..."
Right now the young man IS NOT a "predator". And ALL factors will be taken in to account during the trial. I doubt this even makes it to the trial. If you were the parents of either, think of what those kids will go thru during a trial. "

kingfishstevens wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:12 PM:

" The little girl was brave enough to tell her story about this sick event, and you people are attacking her? Trying to justify sex with a 12 year old little girl is indefenseble, that is sick. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 5:10 PM:

" That the 12 year old has issues to deal with is a given, however it should not excuse a predators sick behavior. And we should not be blaming the VICTIM. "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 4:14 PM:

" Or maybe you should find out if the parents or anyone else knew about this and get them for negligence since you are so about everyone being perfect and follow the letter of the law to a T. "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 4:12 PM:

" the LAW also states (while we are capitalizing) that False accusations against a person are illegal its called slander... I'm sooo sure that while you are always preaching to everyone else about the law heaven forbid you would ever do anything wrong like not wearing a seatbelt or going a mile over the speed limit. We would like for it to not happen but it does. But those people have to face the consequences.. along with both parties in this case ( although he is a minor and this should not be in the paper.) So before you preach make sure taht you are perfect and then come back and talk to me. "

ODF wrote on Nov 20, 2008 4:00 PM:

" littleme - The LAW says at 12 years old she is not old enough to make the decision to have sex. The LAW says a 17 year old should not be having sex with a 12 year old. Feel whatever you want, however you want about the players involved, but the bottom line is that it is against THE LAW...and I'm willing to bet the 17 year old knew that but wanted something young. I know at 17 years old, neither myself or my friends were ever looking to hang out with, go out with or do anything else with a 12 year old.
He's wrong, under the law, and he deserves to be punished. "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:49 PM:

" I imagine if a 12 year old girl happened to walk into a school again with a gun i imagine that you would probably say that it was ok because she was young and coulnd't make a choice, huh? "

castigliano wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:43 PM:

" What if this poor girl, god forbid, is pregnant?

RU4286? "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:43 PM:

" But the truth is that times have changed and sadly 12 year olds having sex happens. There are many people that are starting or going through junior high and high school that are getting pregnant. it is the time that we are living in and you need to open your eyes and realize that. They are both wrong. There are parts of the story that only those two know and I think that child or not maybe you should wait for the facts. "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:33 PM:

" ok. This is noncense. Yes the girl is young and voulnerable but in grade school they start sex ed in 4th grade. She knew what she was doing they are both wrong... but for her to ruin someones life for a mistake on both of their parts. If it was rape he was wrong but if you look at all of the comments someone who knew the girl said that she agreed to it. She knew what she was doing she should have stayed home and watched barney if that is what you all think that 12 year olds do "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:07 PM:

" Lets see you call me a jerk, I say I'm sorry for upsetting you and you continue to attack me?

I don't deserve that Boxer, you have a nice afternoon. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:57 PM:

" I am done, you can talk to yourself. Believe what you want and waste time when you probably should be working. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:41 PM:

" Oh box, sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. I do enjoy our chats. What kind of hat will you be consuming dear? "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:38 PM:

" box, you need to check your comments, they are wilder than any guess work I do. I'm just wondering why a woman as intelligent and reasonalbe as you is so far out in left field defending this...person. Your posts contradict the ususally articulate, concise, and hard fought feminist rights that you have supported all this time. I find it odd that a consservative woman like myself is the one who is standing up for the little girl and the femanist is the one making excuses for the man and attacking the child, very out of character. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:36 PM:

" Do you ever discuss anything without getting nasty? Ever? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:32 PM:

" The more I think about that comment, the madder I get. Yes gofish, pray to god some of these people never get on a trial like this. Pray. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:31 PM:

" And thats why I hate your posts MS. NOT HARDLY. He graduated college and has a good job. How RUDE. Keep your nasty comments to yourself, will you? I am suprised that you get by with what you do. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:13 PM:

" gofish, the best way to stop it is to take him opff the streets while being treated, 5 years would be a nice hitch to get the treatment he needs.

If you don't think diddling a 12 year old is not deserving of prison time, you have a problem as well. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:11 PM:

" Gofish, he'll get his fair trial. Until then, I'll support the 12 year old victim. You and BOxer can support the predator. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:06 PM:

" Yeah boxer, if your 13 and 364 days you are 13, glad you figured that out. Sounds like your son went to prison of something back in the day, you are absolutely biased for the predator, and have show little respect for the victim, saying put chastity belt s on them, I know they chase older boys, blame blame blame, it may be time to come to grips with whatver your son did, and quit making excuses or looking for others to rip on a child that was raped by a 17 yo. Your a real tool on this subject box, it's discusting. "

gofish wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:06 PM:

" msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:16 PM:

" TY Mac. I can't believe this many people kept questioning the validity of the child, disgusting, shocking, and shameful behavior. "

What you mean innocent until proven quilty? Yep, sure is shameful. I pray you are never selected for jury duty.

This dude may enjoy taking advantage of school girl crushes, but he'll have his day in court.

But it is better to stop deviant behavior at an earlier age whenever possible and send them to sex offender treatment, not prison. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:02 PM:

" Boxer he is 17 not 16, quit changing the senario to defend this young predator. Yes life in prison is an option. Without aggrivating circumstances the chance of him going for life is zero. If ti is true, I'd like to see 15 years, 5 served with 10 on probation, and lots of treatment for his problem. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:57 PM:

" This child is a much a victim - until proved a liar - as this young man is innocent until proved guilty.

We have to let our children, our boys and our girls, our fellow women, know it is okay tell. It is okay to report it, to seek justice. If we hammer the victim - no one will have the courage to try and stop it from happening to someone else.

My thoughts are with this child and her parents. The young man should have known better than put himself in any kind of situation where he could be accused of this. Where there is smoke, there is some kind of fire. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:54 PM:

" Yea, I meant under the age of 14. Then you get into the area where the girl can be one day short of 14 and they can still file charges. Thanks. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:52 PM:

" Life may be harsh. I don't know the intimate details of this situation. However, if the court finds him to be a sexual deviant, then I guess it is better to get him off the streets now, instead of later when he may be a middle aged man still hanging around little girls.

DONT BLAME THE VICTIM "

ODF wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:50 PM:

" Essentially, as long as both people are between 14 and 21, neither of the statutes you mentioned are broken.
A 19 year old can have sex with a 14 year old and not face charges (Disclaimer: There might be other statutes that could apply...don't know since I didn't research all of them.)

Basically...if one partner is under 14, someone could/would be facing criminal charges if a report was made. If one partner is over 21, there could be criminal charges depending on age of other party. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:47 PM:

" Thank you ODF and with that I gotta stop thinking about it. Kids, lock em up till they are 23. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Let me clarify....in no way do I think this girl was "chasing". But trust me, it does happen. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:44 PM:

" Actually lumps, my kid is grown but we had a similar situation with a young girl chasing him. I agree 12 years old is for playing with dolls. My how times have changed, huh?? "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:44 PM:

" Teach in school? Not only school, this is something you learn at home. Common sense and decency.
Good Looks are not a license to get away with anything.
I am also raising a son - still in elementary. He had better not even use the word "hot" to describe a girl. I am trying to teach him to respect girls and women. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:42 PM:

" I am sorry, but this is messed up. They can send a 16 year old to prison for life? "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:41 PM:

" Boxer - It seems to me you are reacting more as a parent OF a 17 yr old YOUNG MAN and fearing he might be accused - then thinking of what 12 yr old CHILD is going through.
When my daughter was 12, she was still watching disney and half playing with Barbies. A CHILD.
IF GUILTY - There is NO WAY this 17 year old did not know it was wrong, illegal, immoral - and sick.
I watch my kids like a hawk, but if a 17 year old boy had found away to sneak past me and try something sexual with my little girl - he had better hope the cops got to him first. "

ODF wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:39 PM:

" I've posted my views and the 17 year old would endure my wrath, if that had been my daughter.

However, just playing devil's advocate a little bit...they say that boys actually trail behind girls in maturity level....something like 2 years or more. In addition to that....they can decide that 10, 11, 12 year olds can be tried as adults for murder. So you can hold a 12 year old responsible for a killing, but then you say they don't have the maturity to know what sex is and what it's all about? That is an inconsistency in the law that I have issues with. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:39 PM:

" Ok, so a 14 year old can have sex with a 14 year old and it can be a problem??? I think I understand now. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:38 PM:

" I am done with this. But I would like to know if they teach this in school? If they let these kids know the trouble they could be in if this happens. Or would it matter? "

ODF wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Simple boxer, because sex with anyone under 14 years of age is illegal, regardless if you the other person is 12, 14, 16 or 25.

The 2nd statute is if one person is 21 or over and the other is under 17. So basically, a 20 year old can be involved with a 17 year old.

Essentially, the first statute makes sex with anyone under 14 illegal. The 2nd one makes sex with anyone under 17 illegal, if the other party is over 21...so it kind of accounts for teenagers and boyfriend-girlfriend situations. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:34 PM:

" I apologize MS - I am actually upset over the fact that the boy could be put in prison. Thats all. I am referring to two laws and the first degree has me confused. I understand she is 12 and I will say again, IF it happened, its sick and wrong. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:31 PM:

" Have you ever met a 17 year old male that is mature? I can tell you that they probably are more like 16 in their actions. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:30 PM:

" Yep, she is way too young. And I agree 100 percent. Like I said, I would like to put a chastity belt on all of them. "

hmarie775 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Ultimately the responsibility lies on the older party, they are supposed to follow the law, they are supposed to be more mature. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:29 PM:

" I am rethinking this. I am glad the NT printed this. I only wish the kids name was omitted. Its a great public service message to make sure your teens know these laws. "

hmarie775 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:28 PM:

" Boxer - put it this way, if ANYONE has sex with my underage daughter, regardless of age I'm going to go after them as much as I can within in th law. She is too young to REALLY understand what she is doing and getting herself into. I would be mad at her too, but I would be more upset with the older boy who took advantage of her vulnerability and youthful naivety. There is a reason there is an age of consent for emotional maturity reasons. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:19 PM:

" if it were my daughter we would be discussing my trial not his. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:18 PM:

" BOx I'm sorry but I gotta say, you keep changing the story. The girl was 12 not 14 or 15, your senario is diff from the subject, is it meant to distract from the terrible crime that may have occured to this poor child? 12.. twelve.....TWELVE. "

kellykelly wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:16 PM:

" Even though people say that the young 12 year old child should have known better, it doesn't matter. She isn't old enough to make her own decisions. The law was made and put in effect for a reason. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:09 PM:

" ODF I know its wrong. WRONG, wrong, wrong. I hope everyone understand that. I would like to put chastity belts on all of em but you and I both know thats not reality. And yes, laws are laws. Its interesting to see how they vary from state to state. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:07 PM:

" I am so confused ODF....according to statute 566.032 - It states that its first degree if anyone has sex with anyone under 14, Right. Then in statute 566.034 It states that anyone that is 21 having sex with someone under 17 is second degree. So why does the first statute not explain how old the person has to be (that is having sex with the 14 year old). "

ODF wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:03 PM:

" LIttleme - So are you wanting us to believe that this big, bad, sexual 12 year old seduced your poor, uninformed, helpless 17 year old male friend?? Wow, if so maybe he should file rape charges against her.

Get real....If that was my 12 year old daughter, first of all she would not be left alone with a 17 year old boy and secondly, a trial would be the least of his worries. "

ODF wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:01 PM:

" boxer - We discussed minor/adult status on another story either similar to this or maybe it was a story about underage drinking. The statutes are clear about sex laws and what is legal when.
I don't care if it was consensual on all parties...a 17 year old having sex with a 12 year old is WRONG, period. He knew it...and if he doesn't then he needs to be locked up for being stupid. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:00 PM:

" Yea, I knew that. I got to thinking about how the PA can file the charges. Thanks. "

ODF wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Boxer - Not necessarily...once a complaint is filed and evidence obtained...the PA can proceed without the victim's cooperation....and they can and often do on felony charges. At the point a complaint is filed, the state becomes the complaintant. "

ODF wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:57 PM:

" Littleme - A 17 year old boy having sex with a 12 year old girl is not "her mistake" or her parents. It is HIS...you want to be friends with a sexual deviant, fine...write him letters when he's in jail because that is where he belongs. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:48 PM:

" So Hmarie - its OK if a 16 year old touches your daughter? If this girl was, in fact 12 and he did this, its so wrong. But these laws go way further than this. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:45 PM:

" There are two statutory rape laws in MO. I am a we bit confused here. A 17 year old is considered a minor, right? He can't buy beer, can't vote, he is a minor. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:39 PM:

" And quite frankly, I feel like this...if any 14 or 15 year old would come near my 17 year old son, they had better watch out. Exactly what do you expect any 17 year old to do, ask for ID? Its a two way street like someone said. I felt just as strongly about my son as you do your daughter. Stay away and we won't have trouble. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Ok, folks, question. Do your 14 and 15 year old daughters hold no responsiblity if they have sex with a 17 year old? You are living in a dream world and had better batton down the hatches. I am old, old and even when I was in 6th grade, there was a girl having sex with other 6th graders. Yes, its sick but if you think 14 year old girls don't know what they are doing you are wrong. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:33 PM:

" The girl was not of legal age so the parents had to press charges. Or a guardian. Just like on restraining orders. If a young girls parents want a boy to stay away, the parents have to file for the restraining order with a local judge. "

hmarie775 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:24 PM:

" If the story is true I should have added.

If it is true then he had a legal responsibility to consider her age and tell her NO, even if she threw herself at him that doesn't matter. He had a legal responsibilty to uphold the law. The law is the law. "

naturally wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:22 PM:

" I was almost molested by a 13 yo once. I had to struggle to remember how old I was (18) and regain composure. "

hmarie775 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:20 PM:

" I'm sorry but if any boy over the age of 16 TOUCHED my 14 year old daughter, no matter how "in love" they THINK they are, he's going to be in serious trouble with me. Girls (or boys) that age are still YOUNG CHILDREN who do not understand the repercussions of their actions, even if it was "consensual" the law clearly states the children under 14 are not of age to consent, and that is for good reason. THEY are too young to know what is best for them. This boy should have known better. "

go_figure wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:09 PM:

" Ms...I know how most 7th graders were when I was at this school and they knew exactly what sex was... These two go to the same school, they saw wach other everyday cause the 7th-12th grades are in the same building... and maybe it got out that she was having sex and it got back to the parents and they are the ones that pressed charges... either way, yes it is wrong... "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:50 AM:

" Go-fidler, a 12 yr old cannot consent to sex, the act itself is rape. A 17 yo on top of a 12 yo is a sick act by a predator. "

NTReader wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:49 AM:

" Boxergal- I know exactly what you are talking about. A long time ago I was that 14 yr old girl pursuing a 17 yr. old and in the beginning he thought I was too young. Eventually, I got my way. We fell in love and yes, had sex. After being with him for years, I felt the need to check out what I was missing by being in a committed relationship. Almost every choice after him was a bad one and my only regret to this day is that I messed up our relationship. Luckily, my parents recognized it for what it was: my first true love and one I'll never forget. What great memories! Thanks C.S. "

go_figure wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:45 AM:

" Have any of you all thought about these dates that they say this happened, Aug 1-Sept 30, it would have started in the summer and then going into the school year... How would they have got a rape kit if it happened more than once... I'm sorry but if I was raped I would know the exact date it happened... Sounds like she wanted to act all cool and older and consented to something she couldnt handle herself... Now i am not saying he was by any means right for what he did but there are always two sides of what happened... I think her parents found out and now she is playing the innocent card to get out of it... "

lovinmyboy wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:25 AM:

" Has anyone considered that maybe she didn't tell her parents and they just found out like parents do. I don't think she is trying to ruin his life...In fact i think he ruined his own life by laying down with a child. "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:06 AM:

" and no matter how old you are the high school scene doesn't change... Everyone has a crush on the most popular and cutest boy especially if he is a senior. that is how it has been since the beginning of time. And i have seen this before. She doesn't want her mommy and daddy and everyone around her to think any less of her. She wants them to think of her as a little angel as all 12.13.14.15.... year olds do. It's horrible that she has to ruin someone else's reputation to uphold hers. "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Look... he was wrong for not taking into consideration for her age... but here is a thought if she is 12 how did she get into the situation... If I had a 12 year old... I wouldn't let my daughter... or son go anywhere alone with someone that was 17... and neither would anyone else that truly cares about their children if they think that the 17 year old in question was capable of this. So it sounds more like maybe she snuck out to see him or lied... either way she was wrong. and now she is trying to get back at an innocent teenager... "

sweet1 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:59 AM:

" It's sick how some people have reacted to this and as a woman, I'm offended by the immediate guilt that has been placed on this YOUNG girl. I'm sure guilt is something she will probably deal with for a long time. She will wonder if there was anything else she could have done to stop it. She will wonder if there was something she did to encourage it. Often times, she didn't. I don't know this young boy or this young girl but I do know that there is a lot of prejudice that happens once a story like this gets out and the girl is seldom given the respect and the trust that she may be telling thetruth. "

sweet1 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:57 AM:

" This is exactly the reason why so many girls are afraid to report when they have been raped. Immediately people stick up for the boy and say he must be the victim. At 17, he should know better. Period. Regardless if the girl was 14, 12, or younger. The knee-jerk reaction is what so many girls are afraid of and the immediate judgement that she receives. Looking at the posts there are people who have said she asked for it and place the blame solely on her. Were you there? Do you know? "

lovinmyboy wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:45 AM:

" I am in total shock that people are standing up for this boy! This is a twelve year old girl! Yeah she may have consented to it, but the laws are in place because she is not mentally able to make that decision. How would everyone feel if this was a 10 yr old and 15 yr old? Disgusting right? Well it's the same thing. Yeah maybe she looked older, but a 10 yr old can look older...Is that ok? NO! I know when i was 12 I knew what sex was, but would have no idea what to do and maybe she consented to it, but not knowing what it entaled, she's 12! "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:34 AM:

" Why was this not brought up before NOW? I hope they did a rape kit on her for her sake. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:32 AM:

" And so do I, so do I. "

littleme89 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:19 AM:

" This is absloutely ridicoulous.... I have known Devin for a long time and i am very good friends with both him and his family. Devin is a very good looking boy and popular. There are always girls that are trying to talk and date him. Sounds like a little girl got mad or jealous. Maybe the girls parents should have taught her a little more about the birds and the bees and that you can't press charges on someone for your mistake. If she didn't want to he wouldn't pressure her. He is respectable and i think that it is ridicoulous that they would even print this and that this little girl would ruin someones life for her bad decisions. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Yes, it truly is sick IF its true. Please don't hang people before they have had a trial. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Nov 20, 2008 9:34 AM:

" beehumble - I have had the same problems with men "checking out" my teen daughter. They watch her, I watch them. At the mall, there was a fully bearded man who slowly looked her up and down, then nodded his head like he had graded her. He was smiling like a fool. I went over to this creep and told him he doesn't treat my daughter that way and he had better tell her he was sorry. He did, no more smiling, and red as a beet. My daughter had no idea what had happened.
She doesn't dress or act inappropriately - she is just pretty and built. Not her fault - these girls deserve respect. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 20, 2008 9:32 AM:

" Boxer, attacking me is not going to distract from the fact that you have defended this creep. It does prove that you were wrong, you know you were wrong and you can't admit it, so are now attempting to change the subject. truly sad girlfriend. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Nov 20, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Pull your head out of the sand, boxer. (If) this 17 year old boy was messing around with a 12 year old - its sick.
He should have never did more then say hi to a child this age, let alone put himself in the position of being charged for this kind of stuff.

This boy has 5 years of maturity and experiences this girl hasn't had yet: PG13 movies, eight grade graduation, freshman year, drivers ed, sweet-sixteen, etc. etc. etc. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 8:21 AM:

" YOU would never WANT to be on a jury trial like these. You wouldn't sleep at night. I would bet it is dismissed without prejudice before it gets that far. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:57 AM:

" I will say again, my heart breaks for everyone involved in this. "

Sonny wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:30 AM:

" My gosh! You all sound like a lynch mob! Editor, I think you need to monitor this post more closely as we are talking about 2 young peoples lives here and the case HAS NOT been decided yet. I would suggest not one person on here would be aloud to sit on the jury! Too prejudiced. You better beleive there are factors not disclosed in this article. The psychological or mentality of both will be questioned. I feel for both families here. Let up people, let the court system do it's job. And, there will be one side that will not like the answer. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:17 AM:

" No offense MS but you are going to open your trap and trap yourself with slander if you aren't careful. I am really amazed that you get in here, use people's names and then call them drunks, rapists, muslims, gays, etc. I really thought you might be smarter than that. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:01 AM:

" Actually, these forums have become a sounding board for state employees to whittle their time away. And I find it disgusting. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:59 AM:

" And MS you are amazing, you know that? You take things and twist and turn them. Amazing. I am looking at this from the standpoint of the law. So far in these forums, you have called people rapists, muslims and Oh lets not forget we have a gay Gov. (NOT). You must just have an inside track to everything. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:56 AM:

" especially young males. This article is not about me, its about a law and thats all I am upset about. I know nothing about this girl, and this boy, nor do I want to. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:56 AM:

" First of all, I realize you are a member of the LE community. Second, I am not standing up for anyone. Read the post below about the 14 year old. If you all can't understand this I will explain. I think the laws are antiquated. I am against teen sex period. But if your 14 and 3/4 young daughter has sex with MY 17 year old son, falls in love and the girls parents don't approve, they can file charges. There was someone on this board one time that had the same situation, married the guy, is still married to him and still in love. I am sorry that JC and LE loves to bust young kidschops... "

Ja50np wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:17 AM:

" Boxer, I seem to remember you going to bat for the minors that received M.I.P. tickets a while back and now you stood up for this creep. Seriously, what are you adding to your Kool-Aid? "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:16 PM:

" TY Mac. I can't believe this many people kept questioning the validity of the child, disgusting, shocking, and shameful behavior. "

aecheercutie wrote on Nov 19, 2008 8:02 PM:

" Oh my. A friend told me about this and when she told me i was shocked, but I believed her. Devin used to send me messages on facebook and myspace trying to make me get with him and i would ignore them.
Oh and i met him at church camp. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 7:17 PM:

" Under the age of 14? We know this was a 17-year old young man having sex with a litttle girl under the age of 14 and people can't figure out whether or not this is right or wrong?

GOOD GRAVY! What kind of a world am I living in? I knew people in Missouri were weird (family tree closely resembles a phone pole) when I moved here, but the idea that this would be okay with any adult is nothing less than bizarre!

I would be going FLIPPIN BANANAS if this had been my daughter. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:11 PM:

" OH lord, my hair is curling. "

e4g5b6 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:56 PM:

" Devin Dulle told her something to the extent that what they had just done was not good enough and that they would have to keep trying. She said she didn't want to and she also said that he got mad and just took her straight home.When my sister was telling me this she started crying. That was what really pushed me off the edge so what I guess I really trying to say is this: Devin Dulle has to have done this to more than just my sister and this 7th grade girl(whom I also know). He has been working up to this for years. He will deserve all that he gets and more!!...I hope he reads this. "

e4g5b6 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:52 PM:

" Anyway, Devin Dulle had sex with my fourteen year old sister to. When she told me this, I was outraged. I wanted to go cuss him out out, beat him up, do whatever I could to take him down. I had told him specifically not to mess with my sister. It still infuriates me off to this day. You wonder why I'm so mad just because of my sister's hoe-like choices? It's not just that she made me mad by sneaking out like that and being an 8th grade hoe. It is what he said afterwords to her that made me that most mad. ...Out of Words!!!!! "

e4g5b6 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:45 PM:

" I personally know Devin... or did in past years. In seventh and eighth grade I had a huge crush on him. I am disgusted now that I ever liked him much less kissed him. He is only one year older than me so when I started hearing rumors that he was talking to my 14 year old sister, ( who is now 15) I was disgusted. I tried to talk to her to warn her about him. I knew that he always tried to hit on younger girls, but I never thought that would happen with in my family. To me, he was just the freaky wierdo that I used to like. I ran out of words... ANNOYING! "

bombshellX3 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 4:27 PM:

" i personally kno the guy.. he has been tryn for years to get me to go out with him and all that and i still wont... he can be a nice guy and hes always sending me msg on my fone and all that but i mean i have heard of his habbits about the younger girls and it seems like every year i've known him he goes for younger and younger girls im 18 and i have a younger sister who is 16 and i make shure to tell her to stay away from certain people... "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:51 PM:

" Call me crazy Boxer, but I feel sorry for the 12 YEAR OLD, not the maroon that raped her. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:33 PM:

" I feel so bad for all of these people involved. Its like being stripped naked in public. "

lnz1084 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:30 PM:

" Wow so they issued a warrant on the 14th, arrested him that same day on $100,000 bond. Cash Bond Posted Full Amt by his mother. Bond in the amount of $100,000.00 posted by Carol Dulle. Defendant returnable 12-16-2008 at 9:00 a.m. in Division III. Interesting what one finds on case net. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:09 PM:

" Actually, what REALLY ticks me off is they printed it. God have mercy does JC have nothing better to do than ruin the name of a young man??? God help us all. How would you all like it if this was your son's name splattered all over the news??? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:00 PM:

" kelly - what is a 7th grader doing hanging with a Senior. Again, someone dropped the ball. I am so glad I am not raising kids now. I hear of wrecks involved young kids that arre 14 and 15 driving around at night with 16 year olds. Very sad. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 2:58 PM:

" I actually had my kid working at 15 1/2 and then would come home for lunch. Trust me, in the summer time it can be done. I am sorry, but someone dropped the ball here. You call, you pop in, you go home for lunch. You might try it, you might be surprised what you find. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 2:16 PM:

" My question is how do these 2 kids even know each other well enough to be going over to one of their homes? I work 6 days a week, but I bet I know who my kids are with and where they are going. I call it planned parenting. I make sure that my kids are where they are suppose to be and with who they are suppose to be with. I just don't walk out the door and say "I'm off to work, do whatever today!" "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:35 PM:

" Your word filter is way to limmiting editor, some words can be descriptive, or used to make a point rather than to insult others.

I guess the NT does not trust you enough to give you the descretion to think on your own and let the words stand when they are not direct insults. "

L D wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:33 PM:

" Bee, you went off on a guy for looking at your daughter? Please... Maybe you oughta lock her up in the basement to never be seen again. New flash, if you go in public, nothin says people cant look.

Honestly though, why do the girls parents get to press charges when maybe they should be charged with not PARENTING. Letting your daughter who is under 14 be in a position to have sex? Seriously. Know your kids friends and maybe listen to what they say and care, and this wont happen. Bottom line. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:31 PM:

" Fact, the girl was 13 or YOUNGER.

Not 14, not 15.

Fact, the male was 17 years old.

If they had sex, does anyone disagree that what he did was rape? (a child cannot consent to sex)

If true, I would think a 15 yr sentence, serving 5, 10 on probation and a label for life is reasonable for destroying another person and familys life.

If it involved a daughter of mine, we'd be talking about my trial, not his.

Fact, he has been charged with rape.

Fact, a grand jury has looked at the evidence and determined there is enough to go to trial. "

kellykelly wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:30 PM:

" The girl was 12 by the way. She's in seventh grade. "

seriously wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:27 PM:

" I do know the family that is dealing with this. There are very few people who know all of the facts, so I beg you to quit making assumptions about this case. So far from all of the posts that I've read, there are NONE that address what the facts are. I am not going to discuss them because it's not my place, but I just want to bring to light that without the facts, you are just speaking ignorance.

My prayers go out to both families. Oh, and you asked where were the parents? Not everyone has the luxury of staying home with their kids, so most likely they were at work. Please wait until you have more facts to place judgement. "

online_editor wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:25 PM:

" Just a reminder: You don't have to bypass the word filter to make your point. "

beehumble wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:57 PM:

" If a 17 yo has sex with my 15 yo daughter you darn right I will press charges. If you teach your kids it is against the law to steal then why would you not teach them that sex with an underage girl is illegal. Stupid parents make for stupid kids.

Bosco you are sick in the head. You are probably the one I went off on in the store for looking my daughter up and down when she was only 13. She was not dressed as some of you might say and she does not wear make up, she is naturally beautiful. So does that make her a slut for being naturally beautiful and give you perverts the right to drool over her? "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:50 PM:

" I meant may ONLY get up to 15 years. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 PM:

" NO WAY should the the law be changed to twelve. This article is to vague to know what really happened. But I can tell you this, word gets around. There was no way a 17 year old boy did not know he would be in a heap of trouble for a little girl this age (14 or under).

However, I can not understand how he can face life - when the freak (Courtney?) - drugged a child and tried to mol_st her, and may get up to 15 years? "

hasher28 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:42 PM:

" Perhaps, the girl's parents told the boy to stay away and he did not. He then was given a chance and still misbehaved. So then their only recourse to protect their daughter was through the laws of the state. Again, I stated "perhaps". Now it is time to let the investigastion uncover additional facts, and allow a jury or a judge to determine guilty or not guilty. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Oh wait, he kept her a virgin. Yea, thats real normal. Marry a kid thats a virgin. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:24 PM:

" And I agree 100 percent NDN. Its just a double standard and the law is so antiquated. Look at Priscilla Presley, didn't she date really young?? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:23 PM:

" OH YEA......where were the parents. Again, I see stuff during the summer, when the kids are out of school that would make your hair curl. These are the most important years of your kids lives. Be there. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:23 PM:

" We have grown men ages 40+ dating 20 something year old girls. But wait that is ok because those are adults right. But what we teach our kids is that age doesnt matter. What we need to teach them is sex should wait till after marriage. We need to teach them the things that can happen by having sex to early. Education from parents needs to be there. Where were the parents at that a young teen could be at an older teens home alone?? There are two sets of parents that need to be held accountable "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:21 PM:

" I am so mixed on feelings on this...first off if what he did was true rape then I would say through him in a cell and throw away the key. But on the other hand I also wont say this girl is lieing either. None of us know who is telling the truth and who is not and we are not ones who should judge based on a short article in the paper. Girls look older true but does that give an older boy the right to prey on them NO...on the other hand when we see more and more age difference in adults now adays how can we tell children that what they feel isnt right. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:19 PM:

" Yeah Boscoe, he 17, a slap on the wrist will teach him not to troll for 11, 12, or 13 year olds. He sure will learn a lesson. The lesson will be rape away, it's open season on minors!

The county should hire you to explain all this to the next daughter that is molested by this or any other man.

Some of you people are just plain sick. "

Boscoe wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:08 PM:

" I agree that this is nuts. Kids are way different and mature at a much younger age than they did when this law was written. There are girls who are 12 who look and act like they are 18.

I'm not saying that 17-year olds should be patted on the back for having sex with 14-year olds, but they should have just taken him downtown, put him in a cell for 30 minutes, and then release him when his parents show up.

The law needs to be updated to say "less than 12 years old" instead of 14. Human development has changed greatly, as has society with all the stuff on TV and magazines for 'tweens. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:56 AM:

" This happened at his house. Where were the parents? I'm not letting my under 14 daughter go to a 17 year old males house. There is way more to this story then what the paper is telling us. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:53 AM:

" And I have one more little thing to say.....girls...DRAMA. Oh man, lucky me. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:52 AM:

" Come on, you are overreacting a bit there. But you and I both know that if this makes it to trial, its going to be heck on that girl and the boy. I doublt it makes it that far, but who knows. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Oh yea, MOcitizen. These girls now looks so much older. Again, what a mess, my heart breaks for the parents because no one is going to be a winner in this. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:31 AM:

" mocit, she may be from Mars and on her planet the consent laws are for 10 yo and older....what do you think? "

mocitizen1 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:28 AM:

" just a thought ... the boy may have been told by this girl that she was 16 or 17 years old. I have seen many 13 or 14 yr old girls who look many years older than they are. A terrible mistake may have been made by both parties, but why should it only be the male that pays a price? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:28 AM:

" OH my, lock him up. ha!!!!!!!!!! I had a restraining order put on my son because the girl was mad at my kid and wanted to get back at him. Put him in a room and lock him up till he is 23. Oh and good luck. Sometimes it pays to have ugly offspring. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:28 AM:

" And that is why I read the article and stuck to the facts in it. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:27 AM:

" 23?....35. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:26 AM:

" By the way MS - my views are not antiquated. I always try to keep an open mind. I know this girl may have been raped but please realize there are always too sides to everything. Oh what a tangled web. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Read your posts boxer, you'd think this 17yo was yours, and yes I have three boys, oldest is getting chased right now. He has lots of choices in his age range and unfortunately older, he sure doesn't go after minors. So again IF this is true, then he IS a predator and rapist. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Gotta go - word to the wise. Lock your kids up until they are 23. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:23 AM:

" YES, he most certainly is. By law he is that. The whole thing is "IF". "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:22 AM:

" OH lord, how old are your kids???? You have male testosterone and female hormones raging. And lie...my god kids lie at that age. Again, I am so glad my kid is grown. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:21 AM:

" If he did this, he IS a SEX OFFENDER. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:21 AM:

" MS - do you have grown male adults??? Have you been down this road??? Who said he did it? Who said he didn't? I am just saying its a big fat mess and hopefully it will never make it to a jury trial. What a nightmare. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:20 AM:

" If it's her fault for chasing him because he's so good looking, wouldn't he have lots of elegible ladies willing that are not 13 or younger?

Why did he lay down with this child? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:19 AM:

" By the way, I had to testify in an exposure case when I was very, very young. I do feel extremely bad for this girl and her family. But I feel badly for both sets of parents. Bad, bad situation. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:18 AM:

" My mistake box, I was dealing with the facts provided. I'll try to be more emotional so we can discuss this at your level next time.

So, IF this guy is good looking he can have sex with a 12 yo? 13? When can a good looking QB rape a woman, please enlighten us all.

Oh and Box lets stick to the facts, this involves a child who at the MOST is 13 yo, not 15, not 21.

Consent laws are there to protect CHILDREN. Your additude, for a woman is quite antiquated and frankly shocking boxer, shame on you, blaming a child who might be 13 for an event with a man of 17. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:17 AM:

" Agreed, if he did it, its not good. I find it sad in either case. But there are always two sides. And I sure understand LE having to follow the law. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Oh yes, not to mention the sexual offender lists he will be on. The whole thing makes me sick. "

PBRMAN wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:13 AM:

" I understand your point and agree if they were close in age, but this is not the case here The facts of the case are not public knowledge nor should they be. If the prosecutor feels that the case should not go forward due do the reasons others and yourself have stated then that's what will happen. But keep in mind law enforcement hands are tied here, they have to follow the law period. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:12 AM:

" I have no issues, I just have issues with young girls that chase young boys. Live it, its just loads of fun. Can you say "OUT OF CONTROL"? The parents of this boy are probably going through he-- right now. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:10 AM:

" I am not going to sit in here and argue, but like I said, there are two sides. Also, do you have a clue how many young girls have their parents put restraining orders on boys because they think its cute?? Ask any lawyer or judge. I have been told it ties up the system to where its a joke. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:08 AM:

" and it will be a mess. NO I do not condone underage sex but there is just so much that could go into this. KIDS, god I am glad mine is grown. "

PBRMAN wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:08 AM:

" The Law is Crystal Clear!

Statutory rape and attempt to commit, first degree, penalties.

566.032. 1. A person commits the crime of statutory rape in the first degree if he has sexual intercourse with another person who is less than fourteen years old. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:07 AM:

" I am not saying its OK. By no means. But there are so many angles to this. Who knows if its true, who knows anything. She could be one day from 14 and still press charges. I am sorry but I am like gofish, this kid should have never been charged. I know of someone (not in my family) that got in a mess like this where he was dating a younger girl, parents pressed charges and its about ruined his life. This kid will have a hard time finding a job after this. Then you have the problem of the girl testifying. What a god awful ordeal. They will put her on the stand..... "

PBRMAN wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:03 AM:

" boxergal, So lets say she is 10 which is under 14 and it was consentual???? Would you then be ok with it? Is it ok for a 17 year old to have sex with a 10 year old???? Not ok with me sorry! If it is ok with you then you have issues. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:59 AM:

" So Mr. PBRMAN, you would send a young 17 year old up the river for life for something that may be consentual???? Very sad. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:57 AM:

" I am posting because I have lived this. And I am posting because I can. Walk in someone's shoes. Like I said, I would love to be on this jury cause I find a hard time believing this. And as far as law enforcement, I don't put much stock in them either. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:54 AM:

" By the way MS....she can be 15 and if I am not mistaken, its still statutory. So a 17 year old dates a 15 year old and thats taboo. But a 23 dates a 21 and its OK. Its a crazy law that leaves the boys wide open to cases like this. "

PBRMAN wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:53 AM:

" msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:33 AM:
" Uh, the article says UNDER 14, that leaves 13 ,12, 11....

EXACTLY! You arm chair quarterbacks have no idea of the facts! UNDER 14! Funny how all of you only post on the negative stuff. When positive results are obtained by law enforcement you have nothing to say. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Yep, I was right. Cute, football player, if I am not mistaken. MOTHERS please, please talk to your sons. It starts with the phone calls, the chasing, the restraining orders. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but I do believe that this kid probably had other girls to pick from than a 14 year old. I would have a real hard time believing this stuff. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:38 AM:

" I will bet you any amount of money the kid is cute and popular and has girls chasing him. Excuse me. Ms., my family encountered this. The phone calls, the young girls chasing. I have lived it. I would love to hear from someone that knows this boy. Did you ever think that maybe the girl made it up? Duh. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Uh, the article says UNDER 14, that leaves 13 ,12, 11....

I'm sorry a HS senior aged man should not be messing with a 13 yo or younger. If the act occured, he should be prosecuted, have a record, and he should carry the label of sex offender for the rest of his life.

What kind of message do you want sent people??? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:10 AM:

" two way street. And yes, gofish, the way girls are today, the 17 year old may have been the victim. Can you believe this might carry a life sentence and we have these gun toting druggies running the streets?? Insane. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Here go those crazy laws again. I read this and almost cried. If this kid was in love with this little girl, he is going to pay the ultimate price, isn't he? We live in such a weird world. For God's sake, he was 17. Crazy, crazy. Please for all mothers of young men, talk to them and explain what dating a young woman can get you. And 9 times out of 10, its the parents that are upset over it and file charges. What people don't realize is it ruins a person's life, career, etc. I would love to be on the jury, because I have a hard time believing that this was not a... "

gofish wrote on Nov 19, 2008 9:05 AM:

" FIrst of all 17 is a minor not a "man" and the 3 year age difference, is not real bright with a 14 year old, but the article certainly doesn't indicate that the act wasn't consentual. I know what the law says about the age of consent, but lets be realistic. This kid should have never been charged. And have ya seen the behavior of some 14 year olds lately...the 17 year old may have been the "victim" in this case! "

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