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Crowds cheer at Missouri Capitol for Palin

Sarah Palin talks to a large crowd gathered on the south lawn of the Missouri Capitol Monday. (Julie Smith/News Tribune photo)

By News Tribune staff
Published: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:01 PM CST
A crowd greeted Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in Jefferson City shortly before noon as she appeared outside the Missouri Capitol.

Wearing blue jeans and a red blazer, the Republican vice-presidential candidate came out the front doors of the southside of the Capitol with thousands chanting her name.

Palin told the crowd their turnout was “overwhelming.”

Country singer Hank Williams Jr. sang an a capella rendition of the National Anthem and then broke into a campaign version of his song "Family Tradition" which criticized Democrats.

“Missouri, are you ready to shake things up and (let us) get to work for you?” Palin asked the cheering crowd. “Will you please hire us, Missouri?”

Palin told the crowd not to be misled into believing a McCain-led administration wouldn't focus on the people.


“John McCain will have the guts to confront the $10 trillion debt,” Palin said.

Palin said their plan calls for a spending freeze with exceptions for the military and commitments to seniors and veterans.

Palin claimed the far left wing of the Democrat party was waiting to take over the U.S. government should Barack Obama win the election.

"According to their own plans ... the first thing to go will be one-quarter of your U.S. defense budget," Palin said.

Terrorists have not changed their minds, and therefore, it's not the time to trust government control to Obama, she noted.

"John McCain has always fought for America," she said.

Attendees started gathering early this morning to see Palin's appearance on the Capitol's south lawn.

On their way to the single entrance, where people were lined up hours before the 8 a.m. gate opening, walkers were met by salesmen with T-shirts and buttons for sale.

Early in the morning, Jefferson City police Capt. Mike Smith said about 15,000 people were expected to attend the rally. He said those who arrived early were a passionate bunch who had been chanting but calm.

“Things have been going very well,” Smith said.

A variety of buttons piqued buyers' interest, from the “Hockey Moms for Sarah Palin,” to a black-and-white photo of Presidential candidate John McCain's service. A single-mom, Sondra Luna, Kansas City, has sold the political paraphernalia - a “cut-throat” business, she said - at both Republican and Democratic rallies across the Midwest.

Jeannie Brandstetter came out for the event. The day before the election, Brandstetter said she thought it unusual Palin would stop in Jefferson City when it's so far off the interstate.

“I think that Missouri is important and we're gonna make a difference,” Brandstetter said.

While most in attendance displayed McCain and Palin stickers, buttons and shirts, Hans Overton stood at the security entrance to the event wearing a bright white and silver shirt declaring the need for Barrack Obama's “Change.”

“I am here to speak to the independents - those people who are not sure who they want to vote for,” Overton said.

Cafe Via Roma, across from the Capitol, was ready for the numbers expected for the Palin visit, thanks to the staff's experience four years ago, when the Democratic ticket - John Kerry and John Edwards - made a whistle stop in Jefferson City, said employee Sarah Jones.



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sandhouse wrote on Dec 26, 2008 5:50 PM:

" Fannie!!
Freddie!!
CRA
Barney Frank!!

Of course that's the cause of all our problems.
I'm sure that's why the UK and EU are also experiencing record drops in housing values....

Oh....wait....

LOL

Simple minded folks always gotta have someone/something to blame.

If ignorance is bliss yall must be some seriously happy yahoos. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 14, 2008 9:47 PM:

" thanks for holdiing the line on sand dune, naturally, its a thankless job defending the conservative line aand keeping the libs honest and truthful,
and ajob never ending kind of like winter weather in missouri, ya know its coming........
just a matter of how much crud when it gets here . "

naturally wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:29 PM:

" nice to see you back nospin...we been taking up the slack. :) "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 14, 2008 6:07 PM:

" left for two weeks had better things to do, came back and sand jockey is still spouting about his great almighty newly elected savior . I see he still has the
numerous detractors who see him for the liberal fool he is . Your new man in the white house is a deity before he gets in according to you , god bless this man because with his lack of expereince
and smarts he will need divine intervention for what he is about to tackle ..Did'nt he leave Illinois in magnificent shape , ??? hint..sarcasm "

ODF wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:54 AM:

" I was done with this story, but I have to say, "Very well put naturally"! "

naturally wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Note: Elected Congressional Republicans — including Sen. John McCain — have tried for years to pass legislation that would provide oversight on both Fannie and Freddie. Democrats blocked each and every attempt.
The actual facts of why the US — and now the world — economy are in severe jeopardy have little to nothing to do with the current US administration or Republicans. However, with the Democrats' and their media continuing to call and report the Republicans responsible, the public might never know the difference. Despite all proof to the contrary, the media — AKA the usual suspects — refuse to report on the actual programs that led to the current debacle.

and you, sandhut perpetuate the lies "

kingfishstevens wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Our president better have his act together when he takes the oath.

Our country will be in the toilet if he does not have it together.

Our allies better not need military assistance over the next 4 years cuz Our president is a milktoast leftwing kumbya frootloop who can't commit to any policy.

OUR father who art in heaven.....

....give us this day OUR daily...

....OUR tresspasses....

.....amen. "

naturally wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:12 AM:

" October 7, 2008
Democrats destroy economy--blame Republicans
…As foreclosures increased, a domino effect began that took down mortgage companies and publicly exposed the corruptions inherent within the …. — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Then, the commercial banks — the ones who had initially been forced to carry the bad-paper mortgages "or else" began to fail. After that, other banks and lending institutions started to experience problems and then — as the world's banks are now connected — European and Asian financial institutions have begun to crash. What was put in place by US Democrats as at its best "good intentions" for poor folk and at its worst another way to scam the system has now caused world-wide panic in financial institutions. "

naturally wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:59 AM:

" OMG sandflea, you are an continuous source of misinformation.

I generally give everyone a chance to prove they are a decent person in spite of their misguided beliefs, you however have proven your ego is much bigger than your brain. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:35 AM:

" Our victory last week was sweet.

Our country will be much better off having some competence and pragmatism in the WH.

Our country has accrued trillions of debt while under the misadministration of GOP idealogues.

Our children have quietly watched as "conservatism" has placed a huge debt on their shoulders.

Our new president is a man who listen to his advisors and make decisions based on facts.

Our country refused to be led astray by a minority of rightwingers spewing divisive rhetoric.

Our nation tis of thee.....
:) "

kingfishstevens wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:11 AM:

" Sandhouse said "Your God" kingfisher?? LOL My....how Christian of you.

Oh sand...HELLO SANDHOUSE, while YOUR reading more carefully, I said OUR God, not I'm God. OUR is all inclusive, it's called a dictionary if YOU need a better understanding of the definition of OUR, or reading glasses if your having trouble seeing the letters on your screen.....sad truly sad. "

kingfishstevens wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:06 AM:

" How about that mainstream press, all retracting and apologizing for the Palin Africa story. Another prime example of them not doing proper FACT CHECKING or....INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING.

The guy made it up...

"David Shuster, an anchor for the MS-LSD news network, said on air Monday that Martin Eisenstadt, a McCain policy adviser, had come forth and identified himself as the source of a news story saying Palin had mistakenly believed Africa was a country instead of a continent.

Eisenstadt identifies himself on a blog as a senior fellow at the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy. Yet neither he nor the institute exist."

Bwhahahahahahaha!!!!! "

kingfishstevens wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:01 AM:

" Uh sand...Barney was one of the main characters involved in blocking congressional and presidencial efforts to oversee Freddy and Fannie several YEARS ago, and his boyfriend was a fannie mae executive... coincidence? I did not discuss Barney's sexuality Sandflea, maybe you should research before you bang your lips together in retort, and when (if) you do read carefully. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:15 PM:

" "Your God" kingfisher??

LOL

My....how Christian of you.

So Barney Frank is responsible for the meltdown of the largest economy in the world.

Amazing.

Gay folks must really scare you.
Boogity Boogity!!
LOL

I hope your hate keeps you warm at night.
Winter's coming. "

kingfishstevens wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:45 PM:

" Oh and on the financial crisis, for one, we can blame Barney Frank, and he has the nerve to propose a bill on how to spend the 700 billion!!!! I just hope the left lets this guy keep his chairmanship and allows him to keep running his mouth, couldn't ask for a better represenative of the left. "

kingfishstevens wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:42 PM:

" Hurray fro Prop 8 in Cal-unfornication, proof that the country is still center RIGHT. Sorry homosexuals, you are not equal to, or worthy of a legal marriage before our God. Your not special, wont get special status as a "minority" either. Your just....gay, big deal. "

kingfishstevens wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:36 PM:

" Mac gets his news from MS-LSD, or the NY Slimes. At least FOX reports both sides, the mainstream meadia wasm, once again a total disgrace. Hannity is making a living reporting what they should be. This was the year, with Tim Russerts passing the final nail in the media coffin. The "Faux" news you joke about Mac is rated number one for a reason. A large portion of the population are starving for real reporting, FOX along with DRUDGE (also number one in hits) are thriving in this bias age of media sycophants pandering to the left instead of doing their job, which they are losing wholesale in the three networks and in all major newspaper endevors, specifically the NYTimes. "

random 950 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:52 PM:

" made by lots of different people over the past years. Although our president is commander and chief there are still a lot of other people that most decisions have to go through. "

random 950 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:48 PM:

" We cant place blame on either party because one perosn could not have gotten us into the mess we are in. Even though we have different parties each person in office is going to have differnt opinions. Hillary and Obama did even. My vote may not have been for the elected official but that doesnt mean I sitll dont have hope that he can do a good job in office. No matter who got eleced it was obvious they were going to have a LOT of work on their hands. I dont think Bush is completely to blame and I dont htink Clinton or anyone else is, i think its a combinination of a lot of choices made by "

ODF wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:47 PM:

" Obama's backpedaling has already begun. First of all...how can you have "change" when you are staffing the White House with folks from the Old Clinton Guard? Now Obama's rules on limiting lobbyists from being employed by him is being loosened to "can't have lobbied in the past 12 months and can't lobby for 12 months after leaving employment with him". Typical politician.....and no change should be expected. "

naturally wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:33 AM:

" you know Mac I started watching and reading FOX news when I got tired of the CNN and other networks attack on Conservatism. I haven't found bias in the FOX network, they give negative coverage to both sides. It may seem slanted to you because they actually have the guts to go against your grain.

We could have a p'n contest about whether it was Liberal or Conservative values that got us in this situation but we'll have to save that for another day. Start your unbiased research though and so will I. When the time comes we can debate on what we find. "

ODF wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:04 AM:

" sandhouse - You're failure to recognize democrats part in anything negative just goes to show you have no grasp of the entire situation. You want to place blame on only one party, when BOTH parties got us here by trying to play up to their own special interests. Your denial of the WHOLE facts does not change anything. "

ODF wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:02 AM:

" sandhouse - You are so clueless it's laughable. Given all the enconomic woes, most of which occurred BECAUSE of democratic policies from Clionton's era, the republican party was doomed. Obama knows less than McCain and has less experience than McCain or Palin, the only difference is he wasn't man enough to admit it. If you believe that your "hope" for "change" will come with Obama and his army of Clinton flunkies, you are beyond delusional.
The country is in this mess as a result of BOTH parties and the democrats share as much, if not more blame because of Clinton's policies that dragged down the housing market and required loans to those that shouldn't have qualified and never deserved them. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:56 PM:

" I was recently thinking that Americans are smart, resillient, and will do the right thing when times get tough and that we'll all be fine one way or another.

Then I turned on FAUX news on Monday and watched half of America buy into 50 plus lies coming out of Palin's mouth on Van Susteren . I'm beginning to agree with Bill Maher that Americans are some of the dumbest, if not THE dumbest people on the planet. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:41 PM:

" Varadarajan's article is funny. Thank's for posting it. Again though, he said "D for Depression" while he should have said "D for Deregulation." (I know he mentioned it, but he said it could have been too little or too much when the clear answer is/was too little."

We are NOT in a depression and I'm not a blind optimist. I was doing my best to convince conservatives that we were in a recession long before anyone publicly admitted it. But a depression? Nahhhhhhh! Won't happen! This isn't the 30's. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:30 PM:

" Thanks for all the doom and gloom, sandhouse!

Of course, I didn't join the "candle collecting club" prior to Y2K, so it's hard for me to get on board with the end-of-the-world sentiment.

Do you know why it's called the "invisible hand" (referring to Smith) Sandhouse? Because it doesn't exist. "Letting the markets decide" is exactly what got us here in the first place. Do you disagree?

You are right about one thing. It's going to get ugly and soon, but I don't see the bottom completely falling out. I don't predict the assault of the elite. (wayyyyy to many blind GOP loyalists for that) "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:20 PM:

" forbes.com/opinions/2008/11/09/financial-crisis-tarp-oped-cx_tv_1110varadarajan.html

The Financial Crisis, From A-Z

A is for America, the big swinging Richard whose dysfunction started it all. Think also of accountability (lack of); AIG (which has cost the U.S. $140 billion, and counting--who knew insurance could be so exciting!); assets ( what assets?), and Adam Smith, who's slapping us about the face -- with his invisible hand .

B boasts Ben Bernanke, known, lovingly, as "Helicopter Ben," who's clearly no Greenspan, um ... Volcker, um ... Morgan. And isn't it swell that he's an expert on the Great Depression and its causes? ...........


You get the idea.
It's about as funny as a trainwreck can be.....or maybe it's the g&t.
Cheers "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:04 PM:

" And it will hurt very bad. Even if we do the absolute right thing the whole way....which is not going to happen....regardless of who is in the WH.
:)

I'm guessing a minimum of 10 years before home values come anywhere close.

photos1.blogger.com/blogger/950/508/1600/US%20Median%20House%20Prices3.JPG

I see at least another 25% of fluff in that chart before we back to trend line.

There isn't enough govt money to fix it.
Otherwise we will be financially ruined for several generations. As a result of the govt intervention the USD will crash, interest rates skyrocket. That's when we might start seeing food riots...attacks on elites....its hard to even write this stuff.

But to ignore the possibilities is stupid.
Stupid is stupid. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:03 PM:

" I think perhaps you are referring to the bailouts.

I agree.

Let the markets decide who survives and who is toast.

It's the only real way to COMPLETELY solve the problem I think. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 11, 2008 4:54 PM:

" "" If we are going to spend money, we need to INVEST IN A BETTER FUTURE, not focus on PAYING OF DEBTS FOR PAST POOR DECISIONS. ""

I hope the Chinese govt doesn't read that.
:)

They might get the impression you are suggesting the USA defaults on their debt.

God help us all if it comes to that.
A Japan style deflationary depression (ala lost decade) would be a bbq picnic in comparson to an Argentina Crash. Shudder...

As fkd as it gets...the USA can't default. Interests will be rising dramatically...no doubt. The FED "control" is a joke. Pushing the string and the string is almost gone. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 11, 2008 4:45 PM:

" " sandhouse - please take time this day to honor and remember the sacrifice that "old man" made to secure your liberty.
John McCain is one of many veterans and heros that I thank every time I go to the polls. "

Gee...I didn't know.

I happen to hold disabled veteran status myself although my scars are negligible compared to Senator McCain's.

I got something you might not know.

John McCain voted AGAINST every single Veteran's spending bill presented over the past 4 years....including the new GI Bill ....and including an assistance bill of which he was one of only 13 Senators who voted NO.

I guess that's easy to do when you are covered by the Congressional Health Plan. "

Boscoe wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:55 AM:

" Sandhouse you know it.

Things are going to get very close and personal for a lot of Jefferson City wage earners starting in January, and the bleeding won't stop for a long time.

Things are not going to be very fun for a lot of local employees... "

naturally wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:13 AM:

" gruntled- "The United States entered the war to prevent a communist takeover of South Vietnam as part of a wider strategy called containment.
Containment refers to a foreign policy of the United States in the early years of the Cold War. The policy was a response to a series of moves by the Soviet Union to expand communist influence in eastern Europe and elsewhere."

John McCain and many other soldiers fought, and some died, with the intent to secure your Liberty from Communism.
Do not discredit that because of your hindsight. "

gruntled wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Last I checked, we were NEVER in danger of being invaded by the North Vietnamese. Same with Iraq.

In any regard, I have nothing but the highest respect for those who've honorably served, and serve now honorably. More than a few are my parents, grandparents, cousins, uncles, aunts, nieces, and nephews. Our heroes are not, and never will be, wanting for support from me and mine. "

naturally wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:01 AM:

" sandhouse - please take time this day to honor and remember the sacrifice that "old man" made to secure your liberty.
John McCain is one of many veterans and heros that I thank every time I go to the polls. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:53 PM:

" Boscoe wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:30 PM:
I'd rather see a national effort to build newer and better schools, build better roads and railways, research and develop low-cost alternaitve energy sources, build low-cost broadband access to all citizens in the USA. "


Right on Boscoe! You tell em!
It's always nice to see another liberal on the boards. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:31 PM:

" I suspect the next bubble is US Treasuries and the USD.

It's almost inevitable at this point.

Take care. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:27 PM:

" I spoke with a friend of mine who is PhD board certified Medical Physicist at a cancer center in STL. He's been there for three years and is an exceptional individual in every way.

He got laid off last week.

Boone Hospital laid off 35 and cut hours in half for another 85 a couple weeks ago.

Wait until the state starts laying off. It's already happening elsewhere.

Batten down the hatches folks. As pessimistic as I've been about the economy I'm starting to think I was deliriously cheerful.

It's going to get very very ugly. And when it happens its going to happen very fast.
Prepare now and hope for the best. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:21 PM:

" "world's cop and piggy bank"

Sure enough. Had enough of the Shrub Doctrine yet??

Recklessness tempered with incompetence.

Apparently the majority of this nation has....
Thank God.

I'll be humble about our new president when the wingers quit crying over losing with a old man who admitted he didn't know anything about the economy and his wingnut VP who sees Russia from her house.

The GOP put up a joke of a ticket and got slammed for it....and folks think it was because President Obama isn't a white man.
Where's the dignity in that??

PS...I credited the jokes to DL.
Smile. "

Boscoe wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:31 PM:

" If we are going to spend money, we need to INVEST IN A BETTER FUTURE, not focus on PAYING OF DEBTS FOR PAST POOR DECISIONS. "

Boscoe wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:30 PM:

" Instead of blowing all this money on other countries and government buying private industry, I'd rather see a national effort to build newer and better schools, build better roads and railways, research and develop low-cost alternaitve energy sources, build low-cost broadband access to all citizens in the USA. "

Boscoe wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:27 PM:

" All these governmental bailouts and new programs and tax cuts are going to drive inflation sky high. Our dollar is going to soon be worthless. There will be no way our wages can ever keep up with the devauing dollar.

Oh, how I wish we could learn from our past so we don't keep making all these same mistakes over and over. Seems we are destined to repeat the 70's again.

The government simply cannot keep printing more and more currency to pay for all this spending. Inflation is long-term and slow to stop. "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:00 PM:

" China has to keep America propped up...we are a major importer of Chinese goods and we owe them how many m/billions of $$? If we fail, they don't get their money back. Can one country "foreclose" on another? (comment is only partly in jest) It's sad...I never thought I'd see the day that America would be brought to it's knees...we aren't there yet, but if we don't get things back on track we are closer than most people want to believe. "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:58 PM:

" Naturally - Yeah, I'm in a mood today!! LOL!! I'm just sick of everyone having their handout and expecting us (The United States and it's taxpayers) to fork out everything. For years Wall Street thumbed it's nose out the govt. and wanted govt. out of it's business...now it wants money to fix their screw ups. I'm also tired of m/billions of dollars going to foreign countries...many of which hate us. Why are we the world's police force and piggy bank? Seems to me the rampant lack of responsibility that was once limited to welfare society is no prevalent in corporate America. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:29 PM:

" I have to tell ya Naturally...I think Obama is really trying his best. I think he will put together a great cabinet. And yes, who in the world would want that job?? "

naturally wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:06 PM:

" ODF - you are sure fired up today but that's the kind of fired up more of us need to get.
I feel like we are all being robbed at gun point and don't even know which side the robber is attacking from.
I never thought I'd see the day of trillions dollar budget deficit.
Russia wants to de-value our dollar with their knew bedfellow Hugo Chavez in the gold mines.
China's trying to keep us alive long enough to be the king of capitalism.
Africa wants us to send Lawyers, Guns, and Money.
Who IS looking out for us. No wonder Obama's looking like he just aged 10 years. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:55 PM:

" And what about the GM and Ford bailouts? I say let em all find other jobs. Did you know that they have healthcare totally paid for after they retire? Its time people get in the real world. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:53 PM:

" Personnal ATM. I love it. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:53 PM:

" I have to tell you a good one. I had a guy from Australia tell me that they were upset with Obama being elected. They fear the muslims in Indonesia will get wild and attack Australia. The person I was with about went nuts. He more or less let him know that we can not be the world's care taker, that we can't even take care of our own right now. "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:01 PM:

" Our infrastructure is crumbling and woefully underfunded yet we have millions/billions of $$ being handed out like it's Christmas Candy and the US is Santa Claus. It's time we stopped being everybody's personal ATM throughout the world and take care of OURS FIRST. "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:43 PM:

" It's time the US taxpayer stopped being everyone's personal piggy bank. "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:42 PM:

" jc - I think ALL politicians are going to push for a bailout for the auto industry. Why not...the US is bailing out everyone and everything else...from little 3rd world countries to Iraq to Wall Street. Senator Martinez from FL is already barking for the $$.

I, for one, am sick of it. We are either a free market country or we are not. If we are, then people need to take their lumps along with their losses and let the chips fall where they may. We cannot tout a free market while insuring no one gets hurt in the market. "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:37 PM:

" You're right naturally, he did agree in part...but then went on to blame banks for not loaning $$ to minorities. While that was true 20 or 30 years ago, I don't believe that holds water now or during Clinton's reign when this act was put in place. It's just more of the same "poor minorities" sob story...and that story has lost much if not all meaning. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:24 PM:

" To get off subject here, anyone think Bush is going to push a bailout for the automakers before he leaves office? "

jclocal wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:23 PM:

" Yes Naturally, I was agreeing with ODF, way to catch that there smart guy. "

naturally wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:16 PM:

" ODF ...ahem... it sounded to me like JC was agreeing with you. Am I wrong? "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Banks are not racists...they want to make money by loaning money to anyone that can qualify and afford to pay it back. What Clinton's act did was require banks to make riskier loans to a riskier class of people (not a riskier class of RACE, but a riskier socio-economic class). "

naturally wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:15 PM:

" I'm curious to see where he is going to wield his 'executive order' power. Will it be an attack on our Constitution or will it reaffirm freedom? "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Bullcrap jc....that old racist copout does not hold water anymore. We just elected a mixed race (notice I did not say African American, because he is half white and half black) for president. Maybe one of the positives that will come out of this is the elimination of ALL racists groups. If you have a pro-white group, they are racists and bigots, yet the NAACP and UNCF has thrived over the years and it's just as racist as any other organization. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 10, 2008 11:25 AM:

" ODF, I agree with you that people getting housing they cant afford and not being held responsible is very upseting. Before the act it was harder for minorities over whites to get a loan, why should that be, why not make it level playing fields for the minorities that could afford it? It has since drastically went down hill and taken advantage of by minorities. "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:23 AM:

" I am sick of

"oh poor me, I had kids I couldn't afford to raise and can't afford food...someone feed us"

"oh poor me, I won't look for work or keep a job and don't have insurance....someone (ie govt.) pay for my medical."

"oh poor me, I have no money...someone (ie govt.) give me some cash".

"oh poor me, I want to buy a house but not save for it or work for it...someone (ie govt) make the bank loan me $$"

"oh poor me, I can't afford this loan that I signed and agreed to pay...someone (ie govt) keep the bank from taking "my" house or make them redo my loan".

See the trend?? There-is-no-personal-responsibility-anymore-and-it-sickens-me. "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 AM:

" ooops...should have been "loans they are NOT qualified for..." "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Everything is wrong with people being approved for loans they are qualified for and houses they can never realistically afford. If you can't see that, then you are blind.
What happens is, these people end up in foreclosure and then want someone to bail them out for THEIR actions.

WTH ever happened to personal responsibility and "caveat emptor". Why is it my problem some idiot signed a loan they knew they shouldn't, probably couldn't afford and for a house beyond their means?? "

jclocal wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:08 AM:

" ODF, the act was to make it easier for minorities to get housing, last time I looked minorities were'nt the ones who caused this housing bubble to grow and grow. It was the white man who was just looking to get rich quick. Whats wrong with making housing available to minorities easier? "

ODF wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:48 AM:

" sandhouse - I love the level of humility from democrats that finally won something. Take a page from the President Elect's playbook and show a little graciousness in victory.

Also, if you want to be a comedian, then at least use your own material. The starting early joke....that was on Letterman last week.

jc - No act is in good faith if it means overriding common sense and allowing loans to be made to those that should never have qualified and could never make their payments. "

CWB wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:09 AM:

" The most fitting description of Gov. Palin was in a column I saw last week: Miss August, but no Miss November. "

Christnlady wrote on Nov 9, 2008 7:52 AM:

" As you told us for the last 8 years, "he's not our President", and he wasn't voted by the majority of MO or much of the mid-west, so don't expect us to like him. Good luck to him though, we all need it, and he'll find out after getting those "top-secret" briefings that there's much he didn't know, and much he'd better be careful with. Oh, i forgot, you're just worried about what dog he gets. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 8, 2008 11:06 AM:

" someone is bitter....

WAIL WAIL
GNASH
GNASH

LOL

Have a great weekend Eeyore!! "

naturally wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:47 PM:

" what is that lowly grunt..........

oh, its just sandhut talking to crickets again "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:29 PM:

" "But right about now Joe the plumber is meeting with his transition team. They're going to help ease him from obscurity back to oblivion."

"Attention passengers: The Straight Talk Express is no longer in service. ... Barack Obama is our new president. I think I speak for everybody when I say, 'Anybody mind if he starts a little early?' ... At the end of the night, the electoral vote count was 349 for Obama, 148 for McCain. Or as Fox News says: 'too close to call.'"
---David Letterman


Have a great weekend!!
:) "

jclocal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 3:13 PM:

" Naturally, I fully understand what you just said, I am just saying the Community Reinvestment act was made in good faith, whereas the further deregulation in the last 8 years has been made to pad peoples pockets. Obviously looking back now the Reinvestment act looked bad, but it really was a good act, its just a shame that the mortgage industry too far too much advantage of those people. "

naturally wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:44 PM:

" see what happens when both sides agree on something - buyer beware "

naturally wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:42 PM:

" your right JC - you're right I should have said -not as much from deregulation... btw that was Clinton admin also;
"Clinton, Republicans agree to deregulation of US financial system (November 1999).....The principal bone of contention in the last few days before the agreement had nothing to do with the central thrust of the bill, on which there was near-unanimous bipartisan support.
The sticking point was the effort by Gramm to gut the Community Reinvestment Act, a 1977 anti-redlining law which requires that banks make a certain proportion of their loans in minority and poor neighborhoods." "

ODF wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:32 PM:

" Naturally - Hulshof vote against the bailout is what solidified my vote for him. I don't really care for Hulshof, but don't care for Nixon either. However, Nixon was getting the nod from me until the bailout vote.

I agree jc - The problem is that greed overrode common sense and good business practices. People were being approved for houses they could not afford and could never begin to pay for when the balloon hit...fault lies on both sides of the desk for that...lenders and borrowers. But it's not just about the banks, it's also about these fly-by-night mortgage companies and being in cohoots with appraisers, etc.. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:23 PM:

" "Kenny" was a real maverick. You need to review some of his old lawsuits he prosecuted. And I have faith in everything and above all would think you would too, Naturally. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Naturally, its hard to even respond to your comment. Have you had your ears covered the last couple of years, this mess was caused by banking de-regulation, ACORN had nothing to do with it. "

naturally wrote on Nov 7, 2008 1:24 PM:

" jc - the banking industry was not de-regulated, only neuteured by organizations like Acorn. "

naturally wrote on Nov 7, 2008 1:23 PM:

" Kenny Hulshof did NOT vote for the bail-out. If he could oppose it why couldn't McCaskill. I'll tell you why, because Kenny is from the Maverick club, too bad he won't be in Congress next round. McCaskill is from the 'pushover' club and will go along with Pelosi in spite of her constituants.

yeah boxer - ain't it great, Europe is suddenly supportive, Africa is of-course supportive, and guess who else is now wanting to bend Obama'a ear...IRAN. Thank God he had enough sense not to return that call. Time will tell and tides will turn, get your boat ready. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 1:09 PM:

" ODF, agree with you for the most part, especially about Barney Frank, dont like that guy either. Clinton did desire to make it easier and more affordable for people to attain housing, started Freddie/Fannie in good faith, but I believe the problem started sometime during the Bush admin, repubs have always fought for more deregulation. It finally came to a boiling point and I think in the years leading up to it both sides were at fault, but that it started after the Republican led congress started deregulating, then it only compounded from there. "

ODF wrote on Nov 7, 2008 12:34 PM:

" I'm not aware of any...or at least not much good the bailout has created. Stock market is still tanking, banks are still not lending money, $$ still being used in unintended ways (mergers, etc.), CEO's still receiving perks and spending $$ like they haven't a care in the world.

However, the bill was passed BY BOTH PARTIES. BTW the bill was passed to offset the econmic crisis that was created by Clinton 's administration and his desire to put everyone a house, regardless of whether or not they could pay for it. If anything, the Republicans were the ones that were standing strong while idiots like Barney Frank were pushing hard for this. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Once again Nospin get the sludge outta your ears, I never said the bailout was the only reason I wasnt voting for her again. Please show me where the bailout has helped, besides bank to bank lending and interest rates? "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 12:02 PM:

" jclocal your comment on McCaskill's reply in her letter to you is comical,
;"She had to vote for the bail out :
Did she have a gun to her head ?
She voted for it because in some shape or form it would help all those people in her homes IRA'S out to pay for their monthly bills in the home , how funny .. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:55 AM:

" it has helped and you are wrong again jclocal , took you this long to figure MCaskill , is in politics for her on fame and glory and to help her nursing homes get more meidcare from the govt, wow
thats too bad "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:54 AM:

" would'nt have , sorry "

jclocal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:53 AM:

" Nospin, are you nuts? The bailout hasnt helped out one bit. The whole idea of it was Dubbya's and his sidekick Paulson, it was a crappy bill, dems new that, but given the position we were in, at the time they thought that if they didnt vote for it things would turn worse, well they were wrong. Just to clarify, I sent a letter to Mrs. McCaskill asking her to not vote for the bill, gave her reasons why I was against it, she wrote back saying how she didnt like it but had to vote. Mrs. McCaskill will not be getting my vote in the next election, I also made her aware of that. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:53 AM:

" oh i get it Bush is supposed to make these dems vote his way , in congrees would have mattered if gas was 50 cents and no war he was not going to get dem congress to work with him
maybe your boy Obama can, I hope so "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:52 AM:

" jclocal great country 8 years ago ?, smoke and mirrors , right there , Clinton had a lot of things go his way not by his doing, lot of our problems today are afterburn of ole slick willy, most of the economic issues did not just start the last 8 years "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:49 AM:

" jclocal you dems are good at wanting to share the wealth, how bout sharing some of the blame with your boys in congress, Biden , Obama , Pelosi, Clinton
etc etc etc and our own Mckaskill what a joke she is, mutli millionaire nursing home owner representing the oppressed and destitute , what ever "

jclocal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:48 AM:

" NoSpin, never said Bush had more control than congress, dont put words in my mouth. Bush was supposed to be our "leader", after 2002 he has failed at that miserably. Obama deffinately has to try to fix alot of what this administration has messed up, not going to say here he will fix it all, but at least get us on right track to being the great country we were 8 years ago. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:46 AM:

" Did we not see a perfect example in the bail out measure by the President , many dems knew it was the right thing to do but.... almost refused to do it, finally they realized they had to put politics aside and help the people after saying no many times before hand.
Claire McKaskill, one of your all star dems said it best, " I hate to vote for it but I guess I will " you need to bash your dem congress some too jc local "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:40 AM:

" the three aformentioned people never defended Bush , one time just pointed out afact as to why your boy was elected sorry you can not accept he was not elected on his views , experience and campagin jclocal, jclocal
alos remember your party the democrats controlled congress , they gave little to no help in our current status
They played partisan politics and kept grid lock congress to get Bush and the repubs out of white house, soo you have congress and the White House lets see what happens , big time balls in your court , don't double dribble
If you think the President has more influence on our country than Congress go back and read the Legislative Branch in the constitution "

jclocal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 10:39 AM:

" I am with you boxer, I think on Tues most of the country felt a huge weight come off their shoulders, feels good to finally see an end to that pundants reign. ODF, yes I can read actually, in fact I think I almost have my ABC's down. Maybe you could tutor me huh? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:11 AM:

" You all could discuss Emanuel and his loud voice for welfare reform and his stance against crime (even though he got caught stabbing a table). ha!!!!!!!!!!! Its a wonderful day in the neighborhood..... "

boxergal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Its a whole new dawn, JC. Whole new. And the world is looking upon us as being a great nation again. Its going to take lots of time to heal but at least we have something to look forward to. Not sure about you but I am elated to get that other thing out of office. "

ODF wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:09 AM:

" jc - I know you have trouble reading and even more trouble with the comprehension of what you read, it's evident from your comments. So let me say it one more time...I wish President-elect Obama nothing but success. This country needs good things to happen. Maybe him being elected will help improve things on many levels. Maybe it will help do away with reverse discrimination we call Affirmative Action. My thoughts on how he got elected do not mean I wish him ill. But again, I do not expect you to understand as you've already shown your idea of graciousness and humility. Now please, YOU crawl back into your race-baiting hole. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:51 AM:

" ODF, NoSpin and Naturally, go crawl back in your holes and maybe just maybe in 4 years from now your party will have restructured and run a half decent campaign. Democrats have had to deal with your flunkie in office the last 8 years, so now its time to give them a shot, if McCain would have won we would have got someone that voted over 90% with Bush, and obviously the majority of the American people are very tired of that. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:45 AM:

" like the scarecrow coleco , get a brain "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:44 AM:

" haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
surely you jest coleco1 , you are telling me that as many whites voted purely on race, after most of them have voted hundreds of times and on all the issues versus those that never voted on a
single issue in their entire life and finally found the polls 20-30-40 yrs later
And why is voting the 1st time and issue ? Its not , just shows that many did not care to vote in the past, but the race card issue and getting a minority in office was their mission and thats why they voted Obama , get it ????? You don't have to like , but its the truth, ruth sorry that burns your britches but it is what it is, "

boxergal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:19 AM:

" Wait, thats not right. Makes me somewhere around BC. By the way, there is a great piece in Salon that was written by an Xer. Great piece. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Scuse me, Y. God, that makes me Z, doesn't it? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:13 AM:

" Have you ever thought that your Gen. x'ers are sick of the war and lies? "

ODF wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:55 AM:

" Okay, one more to ColeCO then I'm done. Are you serious? I love it how you all always try to distort the issue and divert attention. It is NOT about them voting for the first time ever....it is about WHY they voted for the first time ever THIS year. There is one simple answer. Refusal of the facts does not change them or make them go away. "

ColeCO1 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:45 PM:

" And another thing.... why is the issue of people voting for the first time in their lives any issue at all. If I am correct, every law abiding US citizen is entitled to vote with equal weight. "

ColeCO1 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:34 PM:

" ODF, NoSpinzone, etc..

Think it out, boys...

You keep saying it was all about Obamas "race" of people voting without regard to his political views because he is black.. MY GOD...There are about 10X as many whites who did the same on behalf of McCain!!!! DUH...Your point is TOTALLLY MOOT.

What is the difference??? "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:33 PM:

" buddy boy is name calling now ? My you libs have your feelings hurt easily now a days, mac . I have'nt heard any angry women calling their children buddy boy recently , anyway...
Simple answer on gay ban by minorties mac. Had all these 1st time voters out probably did'nt know what some of these issues really meant just came to get their boy in office plain and simple "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:22 PM:

" nospinzone said, "Look at last census bureau report buddy boy"

What's with all the weird name calling? You sound like a angry woman talking to her two-year old.

Seriously though, what do you think about the gay marriage ban being passed by the black vote? nospin? ODF? "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:48 PM:

" should have known you would defend your fellow libs douglas, no ,very few minorities voted because it was a man of their color , especailly those that have never voted or never knew where their precinct was until this election , sureeeee , .........you beleive that douglas ???? I heard many say thats why they did , it was time to show the majority up , I know it stings your boy got in on color and not virtue libs, accept it and move on you got your boy in , all
that matters, tainted victory but a victory "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:43 PM:

" I hear Rev Wright is doing the swearing in of Obama , too , as well Faarakhan, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson in the cabinet "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:42 PM:

" dg Obama may have had an exceptional campaign but you can't tell me 98 perc ent minority vote was about his excellant campaign strategy, gimme a break "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:40 PM:

" sandhouse , said "I suggest you look at demographics reports that show whites have an ovwerwhelming majority in this country over minorities " wronggggggg
Look at last census bureau report buddy boy, whites have a slight majority over minorites, next census taken their will be no majority race, get in the know sandhouse, And this has a lot to do with why Obama won , said it before say it again. Obama got more votes for race alone than he did change or political views on Bush "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:28 PM:

" Mongol General: What is best in life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

LOLOL

Wail Wail!!
Gnash Gnash!!

I hear Oprah is going to be the Secretary of State and the Star Spangled Banner is going to be redone by SnoopDog.

LOLOL "

dg's mom wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Obama won because he ran an exceptional campaign. He didn't get asked hard questions by the fawning news media. They actually were his cheering club.
McCain tried and so did Palin. I loved her here at the Capitol. She will be around in a few years. I think the treatment of her and her family has been terrible.
I do hope Obama does well but I have my doubts. I will pray for him. He will need it. "

boscoe wrote on Nov 6, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Please do not redistribute my wealth! "

douglas12 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:42 PM:

" Obama never ran as a Black Canidate, and his color was nit the reason he was elected, also it was not just because he could give a good speach. Mayb just maybe America finally did what they have not done for a very long time, they decided we better pick the smart one. Anyways, man this is just pathetic that many of you continue like you have. The path the REPUBLICANS have put us on that Obama now has to try to mend will be tuff and then in four years you same people are going to be back on here blaming it on Obama. So just chill already. "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:01 PM:

" jc - if those are the issues you are talking about, you are right. Only 1 of those are valid enough to warrent a headline. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:46 PM:

" Ok Naturally, the obviously the lies of Obama being a terrorist, having strong terrorist ties and being a Muslim were a non-issue because the MAJORITY of Americians didnt let the scare tactics of the right affect their decision, now Im talking for whites, blacks, mexicans, republicans(were a bunch of you guys that crossed party lines). "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:28 PM:

" jclocal - you're losing track of your argument. You were asserting that McCains discretion should warrent the same coverage as Obama's. Apparently the media considered it a non-issue, as did most Americans, as did McCain's first wife who stated they were good friends and she thought he would make an admirable president. "

boscoe wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:20 PM:

" Wonder how the election outcome will affect the Nazi march this saturday? "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:56 PM:

" big difference boxer...big difference between playing up who you are and playing to the mass about HALF of your race and heritage to garner the vote. Obama was the first to bring race into the election because he knew how important it would be. Nobody has yet sufficiently explained why else a 106 year old lady, 70, 60, 50, 40, 30 and younger black voters voted this year, for the VERY first time. It is about race, pure and simple.

I'm done with this now, because boxer is right, it's silliness. Those that have their eyes open see it...those that don't never will. "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:53 PM:

" You're right jc....he should have just diddled her behind his wife's back like Clinton did. ...rollingmyeyes.... it's amazing how quickly you all forget when it's not in your best interest. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:39 PM:

" Not that it matters, cause this is silliness but didn't McCain play the veteran card? Or Palin play the "mom" card or the downhome girl card? Of course they did. Palin was a fatal error. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:38 PM:

" Naturally, how can a marriage hold up when McCain left her because she had been in a car accident that left her quite a bit shorter and disabled, left her for the younger, sexier, dont for forget about richer(how do you think he got all his money) woman. Its not about the fact that he left her, its the manner that he did it in that is a disgrace. "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:33 PM:

" If race is so unimportant sandhouse, then why is this "history" and why is it about the first BLACK president when he's mixed race, white and African American. Why? Because it is important to YOU ALL. "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:32 PM:

" Nobody can have a frank, honest discussion dealing with race because as soon as we do the names start flying...exactly like sandhouse did. Why is it is okay to bash the white race, but as soon as we simply discuss any other race the liberal left starts flinging insults and calling names. Maybe it's because they can't handle the truth..... "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:27 PM:

" Thank you for making my point sandhouse...it is YOU calling names. We are asserting our 1st Amendment right to voice our opinions and have done so civilly and politely and YOU are labeling us as haters. You don't know me from Adam and have NO business labeling me as anyting...yet there you go slinging mud/names...it's what you liberal democrats do when you have nothing else.
Someday you will have to learn to wake up and realize facts do not lie. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:22 PM:

" The ONLY ISSUE that matters right now is the economy.

John McCain, by his own admission, had no experience/knowledge of economic issues. He never presented any plan to address THE ISSUE, other than using the standard GOP talking points. The vast majority of the GOP candidate's time was spent on attack politics. Guess what....people are up to here with attack politics.

They were/are seeking competence and reassurance. They voted for the man with a plan, over the man with the rhetoric and the lightweight VP.

Just look down over some of the comments in this thread and tell me who is "playing race cards". Blamestorm all you want but we all know hate when we see it. "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:08 PM:

" You are exactly right Boscoe. He's half white, yet he's the first black president. They are playing that card now, just like Obama did early on because it was their only chance to win....by playing the race card. "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:07 PM:

" sandhouse - You just don't get it. He was not elected because the country felt he was more prepared to deal with the problems. Shoot, he has 0 experience, so how can he be prepared for anything when he has been in charge of nothing.

No sandhouse, it is the liberal democrats that are hung up on race. Who mentioned it first? Obama. Why? Because he knew it was important to the election. The liberal media is hung up on race, as long as it's bashing the white race. Nobody wants to talk about the REAL race issues because as soon as we do, folks start slinging words like "racist", etc.. "

boscoe wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:06 PM:

" Why is everyone going nuts and saying Barrak is the "first black president"? Last time I checked, he was just as much white as he was black, and he was raised by white people.

For folks who have been preaching that race doesn't matter and that we should all be colorblind, they sure do want make a big stink about Obama's race. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:54 PM:

" The only thing I "KNOW" is there is a lot of hard work to do to recover from 8 years of incompetent leadership.

There will be no easy fixes to the damage that has been done. It will take smart leadership, lots of hard work, and more time than we can probably imagine.

President Obama because the majority of this nation felt/thought he was more prepared to deal with serious issues at hand.

He could have been purple with an eye in the middle of his forehead and he still would have won.

The only folks that seem to be hung up on the race issue are Republicans who refuse to admit their candidates came up short. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:45 PM:

" I suggest you check out a demographics site to look at a breakdown of this nation's population. Whites still remain the vast majority of the general population, despite what you might believe.

Obama's votes, the most votes ever received in history by any presidential candidate, came from a broad spectrum of folks of all ages, ethnicity, and religion.

Whether you like it or not, this nation is a melting pot.

Did the big turnout scare you guys?
Should we be going back to a poll tax you think?

C'mon....tell us how you really feel instead of couching it in vague generalities.
You know want to....
LOL
:) "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:24 PM:

" you are right odf on the 1st time senior citizens voting and other points with the voting demographics and reason and these people like mac jclocal and sandhouse do know that this how he got elected, but that cheapens their liberal victory and means it was'nt a choice of democrat over republican , it was minority over white "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Everyone was sure quick to bash whitey and claim that a whole bunch of people would never vote for a black man for president....but nobody ever wanted to talk about the vast majority of voters that voted for Obaman simply because he was black. You all can deny it on this board all you want, but you KNOW it deep down in your heart...if you don't then you clearly do not have a grasp of reality. "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Nosping - It's not just the 30-50 year olds. What about the older ones? Why has the 106 year old never voted until this year. You would think, seein what she's seen, that she'd be first in line on election day after they were included. What about the 60, 70, and 80 year olds that are first time voters? What about the overwhelming majority of young, minority voters that would have never taken the time to register, much less vote, had it not been for a black candidate. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:38 PM:

" soo sad that many of the minorities did not read or know King's speech, because they voted on skin color not the character of the man or his politics
good point sandhouse .... "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:25 PM:

" Someone is bitter....
LOL

americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm

Watch and read and learn.
Or is that too "liberal" for you??
LOL

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!"

Have a great weekend! "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:22 PM:

" "McCain (Aug. 16, 2008): My greatest moral failing – and I have been a very imperfect person – is the failure of my first marriage. It's my greatest moral failure.

According to his book "Faith of My Fathers," McCain married Shepp, a former Philadelphia model, on July 3, 1965. At the time, Shepp was a divorcée with two young sons." factcheck

Lets see how well your marriage holds up to the changes he went through while imprisoned and tortured.

I will always admire and honor John Sydney McCain. Thank you Mac1974 for recognizing him as well for an American hero. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:22 PM:

" sandhouse , Obama not voted in because of race but despite race . you are a loud mouthed fool if you believe that . You are telling me all these 30-50 year olds that never voted in their life , voted for Obama
on his politics , not because of his race, gimme a break , it was all about minority beating a white to them , not for political change again, I will point out 98 per cent minority voted for Obama , no white president ever received over 80 per cent of their race , get real sand man , go read your New York
Times and believe in your fairy tales "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:21 PM:

" Naturally, ever heard of guilt by association, oh yea wait, that was used a lot in this campaign. "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:18 PM:

" sandhouse - you are both abrasive and uninformed. This was not what Dr. MLK Jr was talking about in is speech. "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:13 PM:

" "The cloud of scandal did not lift until Nov. 20, 1991, when he was exonerated by the Senate Ethics Committee after an investigation that included weeks of televised hearings. The committee found that Mr. McCain had ''exercised poor judgment'' in attending, with four other senators, two meetings with federal banking regulators, but it found no improper action on his part.

''I found nothing in my investigation which caused me to question Senator McCain's integrity,'' said Robert Bennett, the Washington lawyer who was special counsel to the ethics panel during what is called the Keating Five investigation. ".nytimes.com/gst/fullpage "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:47 AM:

" I've only got one more thing to add....then I'm done with this silliness.

President Obama was not elected because of his race, he was elected in spite of it.

It is a triumph of this nation that only 40 short years after Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech that a man of color has risen to the highest office of the land.

There will always be those that harbor hate in their hate. Haters come from all backgrounds and ethnicity. Those folks will burn up eventually from that hate....and the country will be a better place for it without them.

Congratulations again to President Obama and Vice President Biden, their families, and to all their supporters.

:) "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:34 AM:

" How come nothing in the media came up about McCains first wife he cheated on and abandoned? Or how about the Keating 5, yes that says five cause McCain was one of the five, Google it :). Point being is Obama was called out on alot of things, those things McCain hoping that was gonna get him the election. The majority of the American people obvisouly didnt buy into it. Obama has a rough road ahead to fix what that flunkie we have now has created, but he is very smart, articulate and passionate, with that hopefully he will be able to turn this big ship around. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:29 AM:

" ODF, there are plenty of family's that have never met an aunt, uncle, cousin. If would would not of met them, they HOW would you know they are not here legally? Thats just basic comprehension there buddy. If the mainstream media was so biased then how come they spent so much time talking about Obamas past and people he knew? If they were truely rooting for him they would not have aired that on their networks, you repubs are foolish to believe otherwise. Go crank up Rush and see what hot air he's spewing about today, or maybe Hannity is doing another interview with Palin lol "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:16 AM:

" oops...should have been "that hanging out with terrorists is bad".... "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:15 AM:

" I agree Jigger...anyone that doesn't know their preacher is anti-white (we call it "racist" where I come from), that hanging out with terrorists and that their aunt is in violation of immigration laws is either clueless, ignornant or lying.

Be that as it may....he will be our next president and for the United States Of America's sake I hope it is successful. "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:12 AM:

" happy wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:59 AM:
Obama wins and McCain fans scream about how unfair the media was, give me a stinking break!!

Happy...I will type this real slow (again) so you understand. There are independent, non-partisan, non-agenda studies out there that PROVE Obama got a pass in the media. Even the liberal media admits it. You denying it does not negate those facts. It is what the liberal media does.

Obama will be our next president and I sincerely hope he has a successful term as this country seriously needs some good news and things to go right. However, I also fully support the notion of him only having one term. "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Mac - you have to listen to the fair and balanced media. The reports are that the sources were 'anonymous'. Its no secret that the handlers were already ticked at her because she rejected being 'handled'. She wanted to go on the Sean Hannity show and had to make the phone call herself. Of course they are going to try to bash her now. If it were true don't you think they would claim it?
You will see, time will tell and I will support her until proven wrong. Rumors don't count. "

Jigger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:01 AM:

" I'm not giving someone that hangs out with a terrorist and went to a church that is anti-America a chance. Then says he didn't know anything about it. If I was running for President heck yeah, I'd deny it all too. Sorry but my beliefs musts be different than yours. "

happy wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:00 AM:

" You may not like the fact that he IS our new President but before you judge him and say how horrible he is give him a chance to prove himself, if after 4 years we are worse off then we are now then you can say “ I told you so”. "

happy wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Obama focused on the issues, McCain choose to focus on what Obama did or didn’t do, I went too the Obama rally in Columbia and the entire time he did nothing but talk about what he was going to do to change things, then I went over to the Palin rally and you know what I heard the entire time, how horrible Obama is, they even had a guy singing a song about Obama for goodness sakes. McCain did this to himself, stop blaming the media or anyone else, instead of bashing Obama he should have talked about what his plan was for our country, that is what people wanted to hear which is why they elected Obama. "

happy wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:59 AM:

" Obama wins and McCain fans scream about how unfair the media was, give me a stinking break!! McCain even said in his speech he made some errors in his campaign so if he can admit he made errors why can’t you all admit that he did. "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:59 AM:

" jclocal wrote "Obama had the chance to call McCain out on the Keating five, his ex-wife, all valid, but he didnt, instead, he mainly focused on the issues and winning over the voters"

jc - you do understand that you just emphasized my point. Obama did not but the mainstream media DID attempt to make each of these stories an issue but found them to be non-issues.

I'm not saying Obama did anything wrong there I just think it was clever and concerns me. You can bet the right-wingers will be watching him. Any mis-step will be scrutinized. Sometimes you have to be deligent until you can trust someone, then its trust but verify. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:58 AM:

" GOP campaign aids are saying she threw temper tantrums and cried when they tried to give her advice.

She also went on out-of-control spending sprees to buy clothes after they warned her not to do that. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:55 AM:

" According to the New York Times:

Fox News reported on the internal strife, saying "There was great concern in the McCain campaign that Sarah Palin lacked the degree of knowledge-ability necessary to be a running mate, a vice president, a heartbeat away from the presidency.

"We are told by folks that she didn't know what countries were in NAFTA ... We're told that she didn't understand that Africa was a continent, rather than a country just in itself."


ahahhahahahhahahhahaaaa

Palin responded to the claims in Arizona on Wednesday morning, saying that "there is absolutely no diva in me."

OMG, and you guys think this GOOF is going to a president some day? "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:13 AM:

" First of all, had this been McCain or Palin's anut you can BET the media would have found out about it and you can also bet it would not have been a story defending their alleged lack of knowledge.

Whether you like it or not, it is FACT that Obama often got a free pass in the media....even the liberal media itself admits it. "

ODF wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:11 AM:

" jc - You are incorrect about the media bias. It is a fact and has been proven indepently of the right wing agenda. There was even a story in Sunday's JC paper (inside front page) reporting of it. Ironically enough, on the last page of the front section was a story about Obama's aunt being in the country illegally, in violation of immigration laws and then the story went on actually DEFEND Obama saying he didn't really know his aunt, didn't know she was in the country illegally, etc.. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Nospin, I never said I did not support Bush, heck up until 3-4 years ago I did agree with him on a lot of his decisions, point being, Bush had a chance to prove himself, but instead shot himself in the foot, its not right for Jigger to say he won't support a President that hasnt even had a shot. Am I correct on that? "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:06 AM:

" would have acted like the John McCain that ran in 2000 and picked a different running mate he might have had a shot, but he fell into the repub trap this time and kept falling and falling. Obama had the chance to call McCain out on the Keating five, his ex-wife, all valid, but he didnt, instead, he mainly focused on the issues and winning over the voters, somthing McCain did little too late. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:02 AM:

" Naturally and Nospin, all the things you are saying about the media being so biased against McCain came from you listening to FOX news right, other than them and conservative talk show host talking about it. Its a he said she said point here, you gonna listen to Oreilly and Hannity and Limbaugh, they are all gonna tell you how the media didnt play fair and the rest of the media is going to tell you they reported fairly, which I believe they did to best of their ability. McCain had numerous offers to appear on other networks than FOX and declined them, except for Larry King and the nightly news. McCain shot himself in the foot in this campaign. If he "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:33 AM:

" I do find it disturbing that Obama is so manipulative. I'll miss the Straight Talk Express. "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:28 AM:

" wow Jigger, I guess we were typing at the same time on the same wavelength. "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:27 AM:

" jclocal - I agree the negative campaigning should not have come from the McCain party. They both do it, Obama was just a little slicker because he let the media do it for him. McCain didn't play the media so he was over-compensating.
Obama played a good game, he knew which players would take him all the way while projecting a 'nice guy' image. However distasteful it may seem to the GOP they have to play the game. If anything this should make them all want to fight the bill Pelosi would like to see mandating what can be aired and by whom. "

Jigger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:24 AM:

" jclocal.. the reason for all those mailers is because the media didn't want to report the truth about Obama. The truth needed to be made public and McCain didn't want to use that. His campaign finally in the end tried to get it out to the public, but it was too late. Obama's followers didn't want to believe their "chosen one" was friends with a terrorist. McCain's fault was not getting the message out there sooner, and not cracking down on the media for doing so. The media runs this country, not the President, not Wall Street, not the Oil Company's. I blame our economy crisis on the media. What the media reports the country follows. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:44 AM:

" matter of fact , jclocal think you dems messed up, I think Hilary would have won by much larger
margin and would have had more cooperation with congress ,should have at least been vp , but he was afraid that would be too much exposure and take the lime light off him and give her chance at 2012 , she was much stronger in polls than Joe Biden as vp.
Give Hilary credit for campaigning for Obama
after hard fought primary , don't know he would
have done the same for her . "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:40 AM:

" the repubs had every reason to question this man's experience , his ties to Rev Wright , his birth place and heritage , lot of question marks still ... if it had been McCain same thing would have been done "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:38 AM:

" nope jc local, romney would not have helped get McCain over the hump either , needed a woman minority . Condo Rice would have been the answer
and a good choice for 2012 , as for jigger its his right to not stand behind president as you did not Bush, no one told you to leave the country hot shot
being linked to Bush , hurt McCain more than anything else, you dems all know that , oldest ploy in the book, align the guy in the same party with the unpopular guy in office "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:26 AM:

" Naturally, one of the biggest mistakes your party made was running such a negative campaign, I counted 6 mailers from the GOP about how Obama was a huge terrorist and hung out with all these crooks and bombers. How many mailers did I get from Obamas campaign that were negative against McCain ZERO. Case in point, if McCain might have spent somemore time talking about issues instead of digging at Obama he might have had a better shot. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:23 AM:

" Jigger, fact is Obama is your President, if you dont want to stand behind him then move to another country, we dont need you anyway. NOspin, numerous polls, even FOX's Rasmussen showed that Palin hurt McCains campaign more than she helped it, fact is if she wouldnt have been on the ticket and McCain would have chose say Romney, then maybe the repubs would have had a shot at the White House. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:17 AM:

" well put, what I have been thinking and saying as well , we will see if this man follows up on his golden
tongue promises , like I said he is a millionaire too, lets see if he can see far enough down to the middle
and lower classes , like he says "

naturally wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:07 AM:

" some of the mistakes our republican camp did;
Did not play the majority uninformed voters
Did not pplay the propaganda machine - aka network media
Did not repeatedly put issues forward that motivate conservative voters. Issues like illegal immigration, education, expanding domestic production. One thing I've learned from raising kids, you tell them something and then repeat it until they actually hear you.

These are not excuses but lessons to be learned. We have little control over what the other side does and we have to play the game until the field is level.

Do not lose interest, it is when we are not paying attention that our liberties can be stripped. "

joytotheworld wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:58 AM:

" It just goes to show if you are slick enough and talk the talk, people don't care what you've done. "

Jigger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:49 AM:

" If you want a leader who is friends with radicals and terrorists, move to a different country. I know most of you don't want to see our "chosen one" leader for what he truly is. Change isn't everything. Especially when you vote to put our country in jeopardy like you did. I want change too, but not that kind of change. In 4 more years we will vote for "change" all over again. "

Jigger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:43 AM:

" The reason why Barrack Hussein Obama won the election was only because those who voted for him wanted change and wanted to be part of history and have a black man for a President. They wanted change so bad they looked right through him. That man will be bad for our country. He is a smooth talker with his own motives. He said everything to get elected and it worked. Now I warn everyone to hold on, its going to be a bumpy 4 years. He won't win a second term. I will never stand behind this President. This is America. If you people want more Government in your lives move to Socialist country. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:13 AM:

" at least when I reply back, sonny boy, I
address everything you said , not just one thing , or come back with something totally off topic, you are a lib thats what your species does when they can not
debate or justify their behavior, duck and spin amc duck and spin. I call it rope a dope lay back and get smacked , once in awhile you thorw a jab back but is meaningless and soft . Why you watching Hannnity mac, thinking about coming into the light? cmon mac, you can do , it makes sense, we won't take your pot from you "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:09 AM:

" those people are destitute and starving
Go ahead and ignore 90 per cent of what I say because you know its true pick out one thing you have a somewhat of an intelligent reply to, or think of som -ething really good like Palins daughter and reply back with that , like a 12 yr old does when accused of wrong doing, its
called diverting attention away from what they did . touche mac, I'm just getting wamed up, oooo aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:06 AM:

" Joe the plumber , whatever his name
may be one in a hundred that uses it responsibly, talk to welfare investigators , how busy they are chasing those that abuse their stamps, and aid and never intend on getting off,
and think it is their right to not work and receive aid, go ahead talk to someone who works in tht capacity, know how many of those types voted for Obama
Is'nt it funny how many grandmothers are raising 4-5 grand kids that have functional sons and daughters ? Why ?
welfare thats why ?
Go to a school and check out the 250-300 lb kids getting free lunches, wearing 200 dollar signature jersey's, jordan 150 dollar shoes and then say "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:56 AM:

" was it because your parents did not raise you right ? I made about 12 posts and thats all the better you can come up with as a reply .,a pregnant daughter representing a parties values. Yes mac Palin's daughter had a baby because of this party's values, great theory mac, I have some desert land I would like to sell you if you beleive that . I suppose Bubba Clinton and Ms. Cigar is representative of the Democratic values , too huh ? I suppose Clinton's parents did not teach him right from wrong. I hope your children do not make mistakes mac, gosh you know who you have to say did not teach them right from wrong, "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:51 AM:

" your last comment represents your true ignorance and liberal stupidity mac,
How many upstanding americans have had a daughter have a child ? Your statemment makes the assumption that every 17 yr old that has a child has had parents who have not taught them right from wrong or that every girl that has not had a baby has not had sex. R u kidding me ? Are you really that dumb?
Has every kid that smokes dope not been raised right ? Every kid that has a
car accident not been trained right ? Every kid that receives suspension not been taught right from wrong Did you ac a teenager not make poor choices and "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:55 PM:

" You guys remember the day a republican Presidential candidate introduced his running mate and she came out parading her 17-year old unwed, preggo daughter??????

What morals and values does your party stand for again???????? "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:53 PM:

" ~~~~~~" good post naturally "~~~~~~~

Yeah, it was great nospine, and those reasons he's cutting and pasting are as prolific on the Internet as perverts.

There's one called "Why I vote Republican" too.

Oooooooooohhhh, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:43 PM:

" Samuel J. Wurzelbacher (Joe the Plumber) just said (on Hannity and Combs) that he received welfare, but he used it responsibly and that's what it's there for! Three sentences later he told Combs "he's not the kind of man that takes other people's hard earned money."

Joe, how do you feel now about the gamble you made by trashing those who would have looked out for your welfare-collecting hide? Owning a business was NEVER in your future because you couldn't even do something as honest as paying your taxes!

Bye Joe........... (I hear a toilet flushing) "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:40 PM:

" I saved all 17 reasons from JA50np but my satellite is a little slow tonight so will just send these for now.

I agree nospin, I think Palin hit a nerve with Mac. What's a matter Mac, worried? Or is it she's just too much woman for ya. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:38 PM:

" good post naturally "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:36 PM:

" Ja50np-wrote-Oct-18-2008

" 10. I'm voting Democrat because I believe the scientists and meteorologists [who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday] can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years because of all the global warming we're perpetuating.


11. I'm voting Democrat because I believe business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as the Democrats see fit.


12. I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed elitist liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas-past-the-voters. " "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:30 PM:

" mac, Palin must have had some positive effect two days before election she comes here , then Missouri votes the opposite of the presidentail turn out for 1st time since 1904, still have faith in my state we still went primarilty republican across the board , that must sting mac . "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:27 PM:

" biggest goofs in history mac were Mondale , Kerry, and Dukakis , mac "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Palin just making a stand up comment not letting McCain take fall, thats what
people do in tough time shoulder some of the blame, you would'nt do that Mac , libs are all about themselves "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:24 PM:

" could repubs had better vp candidate , no doubt , but for you to say she cost him election , with McCains Bush alliance
and minorities voting in record numbers really tests your ignorance level mac, cmon you are smarter than that
If Obama had Clinton as VP he would have won every state if you want to compare Biden choice as Obamas best choice vs Palin choice not even close
MCain should have had Condoleeza Rice in my opinion, that would have made it close "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:20 PM:

" finally mac this voting percentage and demographics did not surprise any of us, we saw it coming in that way al ong time before it occured, polls proved this every week for 6 months, no one surprised , just not allowing you to pass this victory off as people voting this way because he was the better candidate...........
over it was a minority vs non minority issue "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:19 PM:

" Palin, one of the biggest goofs in history said, " if I cost John McCain even one vote, I am sorry about that because John McCain is, I believe, the American hero."


Yeah nospin, that's verbatim what would come out of her mouth if she didn't believe she was at fault.


You guys want another chance in the next 50 years? Wash your hands of that low-IQ excuse for an honest politician and never speak of her again. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:17 PM:

" hey mac how many millionaires you ever met that cared about your concerns ? "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:16 PM:

" your boy bubba could have used an extra dose of church like yourself mac when adultry lessons were taught "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:15 PM:

" funny how you left your boy Bubba Clinton off that list and Jimmy , I have commited adultry in my mind many times Carter off your list of candidates who offered no hope to the oppressed "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:12 PM:

" plain and simple mac they voted not for hope they voted to put a mnority in office, don't kid yourself about why they voted , at least be honest "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:10 PM:

" funnyyyy, he stands for them, haaaaaaa
He's a millionaire mac, he stands for them in race , we will see how many
entitlements they actully get formthis President , they think their non working , entitlement life will get better , his promises have been to the middle class mac, not the lower class "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:07 PM:

" now mac you ready to admit a lot of minorties who never voted in twenty years of eligibilty of voting did so on race alone ? or do you still want to believe long time politically in the know people voted him in , who knew his views and beleifs and were regular voters . go ahead spin that one mac, 98 per cent mac, no white president ever received 98 per cent of white vote "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:07 PM:

" ~~~~~~~History will show that more people in their 30's , 40's and 50's voted for the 1st time in this election and that \nner city areas tripled their previous voting records in pecentage of people of voting age that voted~~~~~~

No one is arguing with you about this. Why is this such a surprise to you and the rest of the right wing hacks? Did they have a choice in the past? John Kerry? George Bush? Al Gore? Mondale? Reagan? Carter? Johnson? Truman? YOU'RE SURPRISED? SERIOUSLY?

They DID come out and vote in GREAT numbers because this man stands FOR them. This is not a mystery! "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:04 PM:

" why because in short time your non christain world wil lcome crashing in on your head mac, all the juvie delinquets /dope smokers do not have a sense of right and wrong ethiclly or morally because you they do not get it at church like we all used to , keep wishing for an atheist country mac, then when that dope smoking kid bashes
your door in and puts a gun to your head , pray to the god you do not beleive in he does not blow your brains out, fat chance in your world mac "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:01 PM:

" mac republicans lose because of palin ???????
doubtful more like MCain did not distance himself from Bush, early enough and it was easy to make voters feel he was Bush because he voted with him often, any republican was going to lose , I believe Hilary would have beaten McCain worse . If you think Biden is any better than Palin , thats funny !!!!! We will see what the funny farm libs will do the next year, it wil lbe very interesting
Pelosi, Obama and Biden . the three stooges one for all all for none "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:58 PM:

" ~~~~~~lets hope this lib does not get to put several supreme court justices in , or atheism will flourish~~~~~~~

Good gravy nospin! Why in the wide world of sports would you care whether or not someone else believes in god? Are you kidding me? "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:51 PM:

" heard many today saying the white house would now be the black house, nuff said right there as to why Obama
got in and many voters voted for the 1st time in 20 years that never had voted in past . History will show that more people in their 30's , 40's and 50's voted for the 1st time in this election and that \nner city areas tripled their previous voting records in pecentage of people of voting age that voted . Just ashamed many voted only because of race and nothing else mattered and that was on both sides for and against Obama "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:47 PM:

" Bush did not have Congress on his side
so he will have more of an excuse than Obama will if things do not go his way
I hope this man changes things , but will be the 1st to jump all over his administration if he screws up and rightfully so because my vote di not put him in office, lets hope this lib does not get to put several supreme court justices in , or atheism will flourish,
gay marriage will be a federal law, Roe v Wade is done , dope smoking wil lbe legal . and pedofiles will be giving out candy on Halloween, lord help us all "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:43 PM:

" sandhouse I vote primarily republican but your conspiracy theory is a joke, and for you to deny the fact that minoirities did not vote just because Obama is a minority is a joke too . Look at the turn out and exit polls in large cities . they had millions more vote that never voted before, too many it was simply two things :
beat the white candidate or don't vote for the guy who voted 90 per cent with Bush proposals . I'm not mad McCain lost
jclocal anybody that was republican and allied with Bush was a sure loser , Hilary would have won too , and Mac
congrats your boy won , he has congress on his side too "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:20 PM:

" Why did the republicans lose?

#1. Palin

#2. We don't need the young vote. Let's turn our backs on all the young people.

#3. Let's try to convince everyone that educated people are evil.

#4. Let's pick a candidate who agrees 100% with every decision made by the worst president in U.S. history "W"

#5. Let's try to convince everyone that a U.S. senator is a Muslim terrorist.

#6. Let's promote contradictory messages. Let's send billions to Iraq - We're conservative............ Let's whine about abortion- Let's send our young people to die in foreign lands........

I could go on...... "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:12 PM:

" ~~~~~~~That's about as ignorant as believing that humans walked with dinosaurs some 6000 years ago....oh....wait....~~~~~

There weren't any FLIPPIN DINOS!!

They were rollin with baby jesus in his homemade Birks and chafing burlap robe. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:44 PM:

" "McCain was ahead in just September, then the congress and senate decided to let the gas prices go high, the mortgage crisis to hit, and down went McCain....He could have won if it wasn't for the games of the elected officials that had the majority in the senate... So congrats to both for running their campaigns, and we'll see you again in 4 years... The better man doesn't always win....."

Classy.
LOL

So the politicians control gas prices huh??

That's about as ignorant as believing that humans walked with dinosaurs some 6000 years ago....oh....wait....

LOL "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:36 PM:

" Meanwhile....McCain sewed up the old angry white man/biblethumper vote....

LOL


The Republican nominee, Senator John McCain, won majorities of a few groups that make up his party’s staunchest supporters — white men, older Americans, evangelical Christians and conservatives. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:34 PM:

" Those damn facts!!
:)

Mr. Obama built a coalition that included majorities of women, independent voters, political moderates, Hispanics, African-Americans, people of most income groups and education levels and voters under age 45, according to nationwide surveys of voters leaving the polls on Tuesday and telephone interviews of some people who had voted early.
(NYT) "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:31 PM:

" Those DAMN kids!!
LOL

Exit polls show that the youth vote supported Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin 66% to 32%, which is the highest share of the youth vote obtained by any candidate since exit polls began reporting results by age categories in 1976. Specifically, college towns in the battleground states of Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Florida saw increases of up to 92% in youth voter turnout in comparison to 2004.

According to CIRCLE, an estimated 21.6 million-23.9 million young Americans voted in Tuesday's presidential election, an increase of at least 2.2 million compared with 2004, according to national exit polls, demographic data, and projections of total numbers of votes(CBS Marketwatch) "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:29 PM:

" Marc Ambinder says the "exit polls demographics tell a story of an expansion of the Democratic-leaning electorate by Obama," growing with Hispanics, young people, African-Americans, and whites. [Atlantic] "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:29 PM:

" Not even close....

Adam Nagourney writes that Republicans were left "sobered" over the breadth of Obama's victory; "states like Ohio and Pennsylvania stood out because officials in both parties had said that his struggles there in the primary campaign reflected the resistance of blue-collar voters to supporting a black candidate." [NYT] "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:28 PM:

" It was a black thing.....NOT.
:)

Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin note "African-American turnout was not unusually high. Instead, Obama drew his strength from an array of racially mixed, growing areas" around big cities. He "won in all regions of the country but the Deep South" and made "deep inroads into New South states, the industrial and agricultural heartland and the fast-growing Rocky Mountain West." His broad "support from African-Americans, Jews and young whites with other key groups" makes the victory "daunting" for Republicans. (Politico) "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:55 PM:

" Well said harmorgan...I agree with everything you said, but would like to add that those that don't want something better need to be prodded to do for themselves. There are many on the system that would like to not be...but there are also many on it that simply do not want to work to get off of it. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:47 PM:

" ODF-you are right that there are generations of Americans that have abused our system. We must change how our youth and children are socialized in this country. Easier said then done. Now we as hard working American who would rather work then receive a handout must do our part. We must show dignity and respect to those that want something more in life then the system. People act as they are taught to act. We must volunteer to work with underprivileged kids. Work with men trying to be fathers but never had one of their own. Teach young women what it means to have self-respect. Family by family we can begin to change this country. Even though I know we cannot reach everyone. "

webamerica wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:36 PM:

" ChristnLady - you need to change your user name. Doesn't sound like much christ is in you. Yes, we all have different views...but the bottom line is
Obama won! Stop crying about who get state support and who doesn't. If you don't need it....thank God for that. If you need it...thank God it's there. We live in the greatest country in the world...be Thankful and Happy! "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Thank you jc. I don't believe it's the reason lower class blacks vote for Obama. I do, however, believe it is a main reason that many folks of lower socio-economic classses OF ALL RACES vote for democrats...because they are the party of social programs. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:31 PM:

" I agree with you both on Welfare, it needs to be reformed. Too many people that are able and healthy to work decide not to because they know they have a check coming in, that is wrong. What we do need it for is people like Harmorgan, people that need it for temporary times. I dont believe in free handouts either if they people is more than able to get a job and contribute to society, but would rather take the free ride. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Also to mention when I received my letter informing me that I would be laid off the director of the division handed me a folder from family services instructing me with all the programs that the state would provide to myself and children. I was told, we know you have young children family services can help you get medicaid, foodstamps, daycare assistance, wic, etc. I knew nothing about enrolling in these programs and was told I needed to go sign up as soon as I could. So every party is guilting of giving or in my case forcing handouts. I know that people abuse the system, but not all and I was ashamed to walk into my doctor with a medicaid card. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:25 PM:

" harmorgan - Good for you!! I have no problem with a hand up to anyone...everyone falls on tough times and needs help occasionally. But you have to admit, there are generations of people out there that have grown up on, and raised their kids to grow up on the system. Those are the folks I take issue with. (Disclaimer for jc local - This does not mean I believe folks voted for Obama because of handouts. LOL!!)

BTW - Please email me your address so I can take you up on that offer to help protect my rights to the 2nd Amendment...I have a feeling we're going to need it! ;) "

jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:24 PM:

" ODF, not so much your comments as it was Nospins, my apologies,it has been said over and over in these forums that the only reason lower class blacks were voting for Obama was because they would be getting a free tax handout. All I am saying that is unless you are in those peoples shoes you have no idea why they are voting. I am not disagreeing that a whole lot of people that have never bothered to get out and vote voted, I would like to think that is because our country is in such bad shape they felt they finally had to help do something, and by voting for Obama that was their only way to bring real change, not Bush policies. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:21 PM:

" spinzone-my personal experience- If understanding you correctly I don't fit in what you call "his own kind" I'm white. For the first time in my families history I had to except a hand out from my country in Aug 07 when under Blunt's Republican administration I was laid off as an auditor with the state. My children were left with no insurance as was myself and 21 other auditors. I have since found employment and no longer receive this handout. But I was a proud single mother working 2 jobs to take care of what is mine when my dignity and respect were striped from me by a republican adminstration. They did not want me to work for my check they gave me handouts. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:15 PM:

" jc - If you can show me where I stated in my comment that blacks/minorities voted for Obama because of handouts, I will apologize. If not, I expect the same of you...but then given your level of humility and graciousness shown in your comments below I am not holding my breath. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:13 PM:

" jclocal - Please learn to read. I NEVER stated WHY minorities went to the polls in droves...I only stated it was minorities, primarily African Americans, that put this over the top. When you see stories about 95 year old black ladies voting for the first time, you have to ask yourself why. I know what my opinion is.

Learn to read and comprehend....I never stated anything about handouts.

Of course he appealed to them....DUH! "

jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:02 PM:

" NoSpin and ODF, you have NO right to classify the black voters only getting to the polls because they think Obama is going to give them a handout(which when its said and done, he won't), maybe they got out and voted because Obama appealed to them, felt like they had someone on their side. It's the same thing McCain did with Palin, put her on the ticket to attract the democratic females(which failed completely). Think about what you said, your still sitting here making excuses for McCain, TAKE THE DEFEAT and lets unite. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:01 PM:

" nospin - I hope you know I was teasing Christianlady and don't think that it was a set up by Congress. I have read things on this site that are just so unbelievable. I ask myself...do people really believe what they are stating? Scary. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:52 PM:

" nospin - you and I have had our disagreements...and not that it matters now...but you hit the nail on the head! It was the vote of non-white races, many of which had never voted before, that put Obama over the top.

What will be interesting to see is, if in 4 years there is no candidate of color on the ballot, will the minorities be out in force at the polls like they were this year. Also, will they accept responsibility if Obama fails in this challenge.

For our contry's sake, I hope Obama has a successful presidency...or at least doesn't do more damage than has already been done BY BOTH PARTIES. "

douglas12 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Well said, Had quit commenting on here for the last few weeks due to all the hate and fighting. Even if you didn't support Obama, why not give him a chance and try to be positive. Does you no good being sour and complaining about it. It's only four years, we just had to put up with Bush for 8, come on I know most dems and repubs alike can get behind the fact we only have a month or two left of that guy. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:41 PM:

" no, no conspiracy whatsoever , it was an honest win
That being said , a candidate finally ran that appealed to the populace that has never bothered to vote , because they did not feel the candidates that
were running were going to give them more handouts , make their non working lifetstyles easier ,
that would be able to feel their pain . He's a millionaire as well people . Look at his 97 per vote
count of his own kind , they made the difference
half of them never voted in their life "

boxergal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:13 PM:

" That was nicely said Harmorgan...and Christianlady, you have got to be kidding? Yes it was all a conspiracy. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:09 PM:

" As McCain and Obama both asked of us as Americans last night we must come together as one. All of the talk about the margin of victory, why Obama won, why McCain lost, etc is now stale conversation. We must join hands with our neighbors and community and work together for our country today and for the future. As an Obama supporter I would stand by neighbors and fight for their freedom to bear arms. I will stand and require a better educational system for my children and yours. Just because the election is over does not mean the country has changed we must work together as Americans, we must fight for the changes. I am just proud to be an American! "

jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:03 PM:

" Christnlady, You are foolish to believe that those are the reasons John McCain lost. McCain lost because he was right in line with Bush's policies(until he found out how unpopular they were) and the American people were tired of that, they voiced that at the polls yesterday, they didn't want four more years of the same. "

Christnlady wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:40 AM:

" McCain was ahead in just September, then the congress and senate decided to let the gas prices go high, the mortgage crisis to hit, and down went McCain....He could have won if it wasn't for the games of the elected officials that had the majority in the senate... So congrats to both for running their campaigns, and we'll see you again in 4 years... The better man doesn't always win..... "

jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Jigger, listen to your other repubs and also for all the other repubs out there that still feel they have to bash Obama, take your defeat with dignity, there is nothing that can be done now to change it, jump on board and make the best of it. I agree Naturally I may have 'celebrated' in the wrong way, this was just a long time coming and it feels good, I will try to curtail my excitment. "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:11 AM:

" no that would be, learn from the mistakes of others.

well lets hope it was not a mistake, after all it did make BHO admit that America does not want to change or abandon the Constitution. We do not want to give up our guns, our liberties, our principles. "

Jigger wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:01 AM:

" naturally... when you say "learn from your mistakes" I hope you are referring to the people that voted for Barrack Hussain Obama. "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:05 AM:

" cjlocal - this is what you can tell your co-workers. Then walk away graciously.

Disappointment
Its okay to feel disappointment, you’ll have that in life.

Mistakes
Learn from your mistakes, if it’s that important to you go back and try again. Most of all, learn from the mistakes of others, there is not enough time to make them all yourself.

Congratulations
Be happy for the winner and don’t diminish his/her accomplishment with your excuses. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:48 AM:

" Graciousness and humility are what McCain's (notice his name is McCain, not McSame - but that's another point you will not understand because even in victory you're still about name calling)...anyway....graciousness and humility are what McCain's concession speech and Obama's accepctance speech were about, not the in your face attitude that you are portraying....but again, I'm sure you won't get it because these are things you learn as you grow up, not things you just fall into accidentally.
Carry on....i'm done.....God Bless the United States of America! "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:42 AM:

" jc - I did not expect you to understand my comments about winning gracious..it's quite obvious that you don't believe you're rubbing anyone's face in it....it's also quite obvious you were not raised to be humble and show humility, in defeat and victory....celebrating is not about dancing around on the field, infront of the other team like a 2 year old.
The American people did not "overwhelmingly" decide anything. Yes the electoral votes is a landslide, that's the nature of it...but the American people did not "overwhelmingly" decide as you stated. 5% is not overwhelming. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:30 AM:

" ODF, this is not rubbing it in your face, my party won so I should be able to be proud and celebrate right? And secondly ODF, Obama CRUSHED McCain in the electoral votes, you know the ones that really count. Now I have had to listen the the repubs here at work talking all morning, making excuses on why they didnt win, still degrading President Obama, now I know they do not speak for all repubs, but are a display of their bitterness. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:29 AM:

" Naturally - I worked for dems off and on. And honestly, they were easier to work for. The Republican party needs to get back to what it was. May peace be with you all, God knows we need it. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:23 AM:

" ODF - I honestly am not looking at this as "the better person winning" but it was a better game played. You have to admit the campaign was wonderfully executed. I think McCain underestimated the thoughts of women on his running mate. If anything I feel badly for him. All I could think about was "what if", "what if". But it is what it is and life goes on. "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:22 AM:

" 'scuse me - got too many "nots" in there

I WILL work with this admin as long as they do NOT abandon our Constitution.
Democrats - do not forget how you got here. "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:20 AM:

" jclocal - newsflash, I do still have my chest puffed out and my shoulders back. Win or lose, that's just good posture.

I will not work with this administration as long as it does not abandon our Constitution. Our flag will fly high and proud. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:17 AM:

" BTW jc - It is EXACTLY that rub-it-in-your-face attitude that will cause repubs to NOT work with democrats. It often times is not a flaw in the loser, but a flaw in the winner that causes people to not come together. You might want to watch Obama's acceptance speech again for pointers on how to be a gracious winner. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:14 AM:

" jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:02 AM:
if tides would have been turned you repubs would have your shoulders back and you chest puffed out this morning

Don't EVER pretend to think you know how someone else will act/react...especally when you don't know the person and haven't even MET them. Just because that is YOUR reaction does not mean everyone is as classless as you. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:12 AM:

" Exactly boxer...exactly. It's quite apparent that most of the democrats up in here are nothing but Terrell Owens wannabes. I was taught to shake hands with my opponents, wish them well, congratulate them on a well fought game and be gracious in losing AND winning. It's quite apparent that many folks on here were not raised that way....which is just another shining example of how low our society has become. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:10 AM:

" Ah...and we have another poor winner in our midst. For Pete's sake, is this a common theme for democrats...to be poor losers and even worse winners?

jc - If you think 7 million votes out of almoust 118 million is a "crushing" defeat, then you need to go back to math class. You're talking win by 5% of popular vote. Hardly crushing.

I am hoping for the best for the next 4 years, but preparing for the worst. I wish Obama well and hope he has a successful presidency, Lord knows the US needs it. And like naturally said, maybe we can finally get rid of reverse discrimination now. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:05 AM:

" Does no one in this state know the term "gracious"??? "

jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:04 AM:

" All of you on the right need to take your defeat with pride, quit making excuses and work together with each other, we can accomplish far more with all of us working together then working against each other. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Byron has a headache. "

jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:02 AM:

" Naturally, you have lost the fight, if tides would have been turned you repubs would have your shoulders back and you chest puffed out this morning, but that didnt happen, didnt even come close. So why dont you and the rest of your party use these 4 years to return to roots of your party, not what we have all had to watch these last eight years, putting our country in the dumper for the next President. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:01 AM:

" McCain is a fine gentleman and gave a wonderful speech. He was doomed from the beginning, what with a certain "choice", the baggage of a previous administration and the unfortunate economy collapse. I truly believe that you will still be able to pray in public and still enjoy your freedoms. "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:00 AM:

" Liberty is not cringing! "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:59 AM:

" jclocal - cringing, no, my guess would be he's guarding the back door. We will live to fight another day.
Conservativism is not dead its just sitting back watching you all make fools of yourselves. "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:56 AM:

" all that aside;
A part of me is proud as well that we have finally overcome the excuse for the black American to suceed. No more excuses, no more free ride! "

jclocal wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:55 AM:

" All of you on the right need to take it for what it is, Obama won. Wait, crushed McSame, he should have just stayed home with his dear wife. The American people have overwhelmingly decided, there is no question about that, now all you conspiracy inspired republicans will have to come up with something else to talk about. Like it or not you have 4 years of Obama. I would like to give a personal shoutout to Byron, "How you feeling this morning"? Cringing i bet. Lol "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:53 AM:

" ODF - I'm with you, and we'll be well armed.

Mac - what is your favorite restaurant? I can't wait for you to try to tell my whole family they can not say grace before they eat in public. Yes, we bow are heads in public, when you see us make the sign of the cross, remember we are praying for you too.

We may have lost this quarter but the game's still on. "

ODF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:47 AM:

" Mac1974 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:06 PM:
"I'd like to say you republicans put a good fight.

But I would be lying.

Time to fall in line!

You know MAC, I teach my son to play with humility, be a good loser as well as a good winner. When he scores, I teach him to act like he's been there before and be there again, not some idiot like Terrell Owens. You sir, are Terrell Owens...way to show you have no idea how to be a gracious winner.

The day I "fall in line" with a bunch of liberal democrats that want to run this country into the ground will be the day they pry my guns-from-my-cold-dead-fingers. "

Jigger wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:09 AM:

" Its a sad sad day in American history. America as we have grown to love will be no longer. I'm proud that I can say that I didn't vote for the Radical, Socialist new President that has brainwashed so many. Change they wanted, change they will get. In a few years everyone will be complaining about this President and how they want "change" again. Its a day in history thats for sure, but at least I can tell my childred and grand children that I didn't vote for him. By the way.. I'm needing a new car, so all you folks that make more money than me you can start sending me some money. Spread the wealth!! "

naturally wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:28 AM:

" Mac - you really need to study history first-hand not from the biased history books. Here's your chance.
The civil war wasn't fought over freedom of the negros, that was just the head-liner. Just like this election isn't about black and white, that's just the head-liner.
While your beloved Lincoln was signing the Proclaimation with one hand, he was slaughtering innocent Indians with the other.

So you won the election, good for you. Now what are they going to do with it? What is Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela going to do with it? Good luck with that, enjoy your free bubble-up and rainbow stew.

Just remember - you voted for him. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:02 AM:

" Well, they chose the nut job with zero experience, it's certainly going to be an interesting 4 years globally. Good luck to the world and congratulations to agressive dictators everywhere, enjoy your global chaos and conquests.

I wish you ALL a wonderful holiday season, God bless you and your families.

Msindependent is officially in holiday mode, where's that shopping list.....ahh here it is... "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:39 PM:

" You go Mac....congrats to all. Thats how a campaign should be run folks. Flawless. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:30 PM:

" September 22, 1862 - Emancipation Proclomation.


November 4, 2008 - First black President of the United States of America.


This is a good time to be alive folks! We just witnessed history! "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:23 PM:

" I would like to take this opportunity to say goodbye to my old friend "Bradley Effect." Since you've reared your ugly head, you've threatened the culture of my great country. You gave your best shot at creating new racism and division among my people, but tonight we proved that you do not exist anymore, and for that I am glad. You are gone.... forever.

Goodbye Bradley! "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:06 PM:

" I'd like to say you republicans put a good fight.


But I would be lying.


Time to fall in line!



I gladly welcome the new President of the United States of America......

Barack HUSSEIN Obama II





***** Mac Applauds ***** "

Christnlady wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:09 PM:

" I sure hope the businessman can stand the changes possibly coming, and doesn't put us all out of work because of Obamas promise to spread the wealth. I've never known a poor person put me to work. Heaven help our nation if Obama wins...what i'd like to know is at what point to the democrats get the point that Nafta from Clinton killed the economy? When will they understand their ways don't work? When will they stop asking for handouts? "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 6:32 PM:

" Ms.Independent said, "Since O is against coal, nuclear, oil drilling, I was wondering if anyone wanted to join me in a prayer for a whole lot of wind for the next four years? "


Ummmmm yeah, sorry, we're against prayer too. You're going to need to go to your fundamentalist church to do that from now on. Hopefully we'll be able to levy a substantial fine for public prayer within the next couple of years.

((((( mac's smiling))))) "

msindependent wrote on Nov 4, 2008 5:24 PM:

" They dropped job applications over the polling areas by helecopter. "

naturally wrote on Nov 4, 2008 5:10 PM:

" I think they were just trying to supress the dead voters....they're pretty persistent you know. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 4, 2008 4:16 PM:

" The GOP attempted to supress the black vote in Philly, anyone see this story?? "

msindependent wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:56 PM:

" Anyone have a good tip on a candle or kerosene stock? "

msindependent wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:55 PM:

" Since O is against coal, nuclear, oil drilling, I was wondering if anyone wanted to join me in a prayer for a whole lot of wind for the next four years? "

msindependent wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:54 PM:

" Exactely how much will I get if I quit my job, where's do I go to collect, or can they mail it directly to the house I can't afford? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:53 PM:

" Makes all of those hanging chads look kind of mild, huh? "

msindependent wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:52 PM:

" Are there white "black panthers" ? I'd like to sign up for the "civilian security force of which the vanguard is "protecting" the polling places in Philly. "

msindependent wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:50 PM:

" OK, where do we sign up for the free morgage payments, and the free gas?? "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:47 PM:

" Amen mp. Anyone that thinks one person, a politician at that, can/will change Washington is completely delusional. Anyone that believes that person is Barrack Hussein Obama and the change will be for the better is psychotic. "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:40 PM:

" WELCOME TO HUSSEIN OBAMA'S AMERICA!!!!

VOTER ITIMIDATION RAMPANT!

"BLACK PANTERS" BLOCK ACCESS TO VOTING STATION. (breitbart.tv/html/213313.html)

TOLEDO, OHIO POLICE ISSUED RIOT GEAR (wnwo.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=216464)

RAMPANT ACORN VOTER FRAUD!

ELECTION BOARD WORKERS THROWN OUT IN PHILLY... (townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6d-44ab-95e7-ce60631bcadc)

YOU WANTED CHANGE YOU GOT IT!

GOD HELP THIS COUNTRY! "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:21 PM:

" One more thought...there's also a number of soliders that have deserted and/or become conscientious (sp) objectors. I have friends in the military and I volunteer with the Patriot Guard, it's amazing to hear about the number of soldiers that enlisted for the benefits without any real expectation of having to serve. There are those men/women that enlisted because they truly wanted to serve their country and, unfortunately, there is a small minority that enlisted for other reasons.
Regardless, God Bless to all those that have served, are serving and will serve our country. "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:12 PM:

" mac you are a numbskull miltiary journals, media, newspapers all show MCcain 85 per cent to Obamas
15 per cent with enlisted people . so your friend in miltitary is rare , speak real facts mac
Military is scared to death of Obama's miltary
leadership or lack thereof
As for Colin Powell's support well birds of a feather flock together is all I have to say on that "

jcgal06 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:05 PM:

" I know 8 people serving overseas right now and each of them voted absentee- for McCain! They all still whole heartedly support the war. As do my father and brother who have both recently returned from Iraq. The greatest number of soldiers in Iraq are between 18 and 25 years of age... this war started in 2001 so each of them knew what they were getting into when the enlisted. To most of them it is more than a job.. it is their duty! "

dbax wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:05 PM:

" McCain will probably win Missouri, which greatly disappoints me, but I think Missouri's long standing tradition of picking the presidential winner is going to end tonight. Hooray!!! Obama/Biden 08. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:00 PM:

" aleyna wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:42 PM:
and both with enough sense to get their absentee ballot mailed in early on their own without depending on the military to take care of it for them.

So they were just recently deployed then? Because those that have been deployed count on the military to deliver mail...there and here. Unless I'm missing something, only those that are recently deployed could have taken care of their own mailing.

Dogpile me all you want with your I know so-and-so soldier and they are support Obama....then do some research and see who the majority of our troops support. There are misguided members of every segment of our society, including armed forces. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:57 PM:

" harmorgan - I did not say ALL servicemen/women would vote for McCain...at least I didn't intend to....but I'd be willing to bet the VAST majority will support McCain.

BTW - Thank you to your husband for his serivce and your family for their sacrifice while he's serving his country. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:49 PM:

" I have close friends who are serving and their opinions don't surprise me at all.

Are they against the war? You betcha! But it is their job, and they don't hesitate to tell anyone that they'll do their duty no matter what.

I have only spoken to one member of the armed forces who is voting for McCain. He is an Air Force recruiter in a tiny town outside Omaha, Nebraska.

Go figure! "

aleyna wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:42 PM:

" OMB wrote "and futhermore the democrats could not care less, because they KNOW who those in the Armed Services would vote for."

You don't "KNOW" anything about how service members will vote. I have two immediate family members in two different branches of the service, both Democrats, and both for Obama, and both with enough sense to get their absentee ballot mailed in early on their own without depending on the military to take care of it for them. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:39 PM:

" ODF-I'm not sure you know all the facts about our troops overseas. I am not going to speak for all, because I only know one. As for him, he is on his third tour and is ready to come home. In the beginning he was very supportive of the war. He now reports to us as his family that morale is down amoung the troops and they are all ready to come home, but no matter what they will do as their country ask of them. He cast his ballot absentee and he voted for Obama. Don't assume you know how all of our troops feel as you just misrepresented my solider who is very proud to be serving his country. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:38 PM:

" Mostly I am in awe from a historical standpoint. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:35 PM:

" And I sure hope that the vast majority of people are not prejudiced. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:34 PM:

" Who said I voted for that reason??? Not me too? Come on. I am lilly white and I can honestly tell you that if and when this may happen, I will be the first to be in total awe. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:27 PM:

" Oh no, not you too boxer....voting on the basis of race is just as racist as wearing a white sheet and hat.

The fact that a black man (with muslim background and ties, at that) is even a candidate should be enough to prove the vast majority of Americans are not prejudice and there is no on-going conspriacy to keep the minorities down. Affirmative Action needs to be disolved adn outlawed, NOW! "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:25 PM:

" oops..should have been when "he" voted against bailout...unless of course Naturally IS Hulshof!! LOL!! "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:25 PM:

" "Reading and bathrooms".....too cute. And yes, I am disappointed. But you know what? The thought of "maybe" getting the first black president somehow is just so exciting to me. Maybe kids can look up to this man. Maybe prejudice will be a thing of the past. And maybe we won't need anymore Al Sharpton's or Jessie Jacksons. Not sure about you all but the thought of this history that may be taking place right before our eyes is just unbelievable. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:23 PM:

" Naturally....you know what, I was pretty much undecided on Gov's race. I've voted repub most of my life, but I think for the most part Nixon has done a good job and was slightly leaning that way for Gov. However, Hulshof sealed his vote with me when you voted against the bailout...that showed me he had hutzpah. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:17 PM:

" I find it interesting that the very segment of our popluation that risks death for everyone of us ot have our freedoms may not get their vote counted....and futhermore the democrats could not care less, because they KNOW who those in the Armed Services would vote for. God forbid if the Armed Forces were a welfare neighborhood in St. Louis or Chicago the dems have buses out to be sure those folks got to vote, but because they are fighting overseas and votes would be for McCain the dems don't care. That is a sad commentary on the democratic party and this country. "

naturally wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:13 PM:

" I've been disappointed too. Almost to the point of switching to the Libertarian ticket, and may yet if McCain does not win.
I do hope everyone who was against the bailout remembered that Kenny Hulshof did NOT vote for it. I do hope he is our next Governor. He even had to fly back to Missouri on Air Force One with Pres. Bush and discuss the issues surrounding the financial industry. He stuck to his guns though, he felt like it was wrong to offer bailouts and now is sure it was. "

naturally wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:08 PM:

" boxer - from everything I've read and heard directly from the McCain/Palin campaign, they are very dedicated to helping the insurance companies cover pre-existing conditions. They understand that concern for the American people and how important it will be for the sucess of their insurance program.
I'm sorry you and many Repubs have been so disappointed with the Republican party. Just remember, so has McCain. He will not be the good 'ol boy type of Repub. "

naturally wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:04 PM:

" and he does say "John McCain" "

naturally wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:03 PM:

" Speaking of 5 year olds;
As I was getting my son ready for school today, I was explaining that today was an election day and we were voting for the president of the U.S. He already knows John McCain, maybe its the McCain sign in ours and our neighbor's yard, maybe it was the debates and how McCain was our fav. He summed up his support for John McCain like this;
He said, in all his 5 yr old wisdom, 'everyone should vote for John McCain because he knows how to read and he has more bathrooms'.
After all these are the issues that are important to a 5 year old. "

oriley wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:58 PM:

" I was excited at first when Palin joined McCain. But after watching her interviews and hearing the answers. I felt the more difficult questions she was clueless on. Sure, a good motivation speaker, not so sure about leadership. They do not have my vote. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:16 PM:

" I guess seeing that a lot of people in a certain state dept. wear polyester to work, jean is dressing up. "

Jcgal06 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:02 PM:

" I don't get you people. First Sarah Palin gets criticized for her wardrobe be too expensive (which would have gone unnoticed had the money be spent on suits for a male canidate) and now she is tacky for wearing jeans. I personally took no offense to her wardrobe on monday and would be more concerned aobut the issues than what she is wearing. "

jcreader wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:50 AM:

" Also, ODF and anyone else out there that agrees, if you were 5 years old and saw/heard the media and there are mail box flyers everywhere, who would you remember? Barack or an old guy? Barack is a cool name for a 5 year old to say so they are going to remember who he is versus John McCain.

By the way, his father is not an Obama supporter, so there you go. "

jcreader wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 AM:

" ODF - my grandson doesn't get that at home. The teachers teach talk about it with their students at school and we all know how impressionable kids are. There is the constant media coverage. How could a child not pick up on what's going on in the world? My grandchildren are outside playing and don't watch much TV, but when it is on all you hear is the media attention.

Who are you to judge how someone is raising their children/grandchildren? "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:41 AM:

" Don't think that I voted for Obama because Mrs. Palin wore jeans to the rally here in Jefferson City. I to have self-educated myself about the election. It just reminded me how McCain and Palin view myself and others in Mid-Missouri. I feel that I wasn't important enough for her to dress her best to try to convince me that they were ready to represent my family in the White House. My family would never appear in public at an event like this in jeans. Self presentation for my family is very important, but to each their own. "

BOXERGAL wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:32 AM:

" I would think you of all people would be concerned. With the rebate, doesn't it undermine it to where employers might dump their plans? Its a true concern of ours. Then like the post below, if you shop for it on the open market and have a pre existing condition, you are up a creek. Please correct me if I am wrong because this has caused us much concern. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:31 AM:

" loulou-you ask who are we that we can question the woman who is running for vp of the United State of America. We are the American people. Who did you think we were? We are suppose to be judging, questioning, and finding out which candidate best represents our values and our beliefs. It is about diginity and respect for the people that she was speaking in front of, where she was speaking at, and the time of day this all occurred. It wasn't the weekend, at the park. Thank you for getting out to vote. I voted so I am not the half you are talking about that won't vote. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:27 AM:

" appreciative, sorry. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:26 AM:

" Now enlighten me on what you know. Even though its too late. Its been a worry for both my husband and I. Our health care is expensive to some but a bargain to us. I would hate to buy it on the open market. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:25 AM:

" Sure, since I am retired from the state I would. According to the insurance industry, his plan will undermine insurance companies. Not sure about you but I don't want to be left out in left field having to buy my own insurance. Since I am so appreciate of the plan that the state provides us at such a terrific rate. "

loulou6 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 AM:

" since i work for state health care boxer gal care to enlighten me on his plan for healthcare? "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:19 AM:

" Wow, you are a breath of fresh air. My brother lost a good friend that was co piloting a plane that hit the twin towers. EVEN HE has had enough and doesn't get upset over the ridiculous claims that the Republicans are putting forth. Keep thinking those positive thoughts, will ya?? "

bulldog145 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Obama has wore jeans at rallie too. So don't go down that road. "

bulldog145 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:12 AM:

" You know everybody it all won't matter anyway if Obama wins we WILL be bombed here on our soil again and again. Holding the hands of the people who want us destroyed and asking them what is wrong will not work; Clinton proved that already. Health care won't matter when we are dead. The Dems defense spending by 35% in the 90's and now they want to cut it another 25 %. Good luck be safe with those policies. None of the other things will matter if we can not defend what we have already. ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY. Wow the Dems have really craped on that. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:05 AM:

" Oh but I studied everything. Right down to healthcare. Didn't like McCain's plan. Means a lot to me. If you think I voted on how someone dressed you are sadly mistaken. But it was tacky. "

bulldog145 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:59 AM:

" mac1974 In fact I am very proud that a lower middle class income can afford to take care his entire family. We ZERO help from the GOV. to help me pay for anything. My wife live by a budget, and can still live well. Children need their parents not their govenment. Do have a issue with families being able sustain themselves. Get out off your butt get out of my wallet, and take care of yourself. I have my own to raise without having to raise you too. If keep waiting for the goverment to take care of you you will keep waiting. The Dems. had control of the House and Senate for over 40 years and kept zero promises to care of you. "

loulou6 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:53 AM:

" you people are ridiculous. Half of you will not even vote. I voted for McCain and that is my choice but who the heck do some of you think you are to question a woman if she wants to wear jeans? You should be more worried about the politics and not what someone is wearing. That shows where some Americans heads are. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:53 AM:

" It's not necessarily that I don't think Palin is qualified...I believe she's more qualified than Obama to run this country, at least she has experiencing running something other than her mouth. However, I think she was chosen for a reason other than her credentials....just like Obama was. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:51 AM:

" I would have loved to have seen Pawlenty be up there with McCain. But the repubs tried to go after the women voters when the democrats abandoned their female candidate for a minority male. This entire election has been about playing up to one segment of society or another.....very little has been said to actually address the issues. It's all cliches, sound bytes and spin. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:46 AM:

" Well said Harmorgan - think pearls. Jackie O., Barbara Bush. Pearls. Not blue jeans. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:45 AM:

" Yep, ODF - unfortunately. And McCain would have done it for me had this Sarah chick not been in the picture. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:38 AM:

" You vote for the party that you believe best matches your values. As a gun owner, hunter and conservative, that is generally the Republican party...unfortunately, McCain is my only choice for this election. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:37 AM:

" True, at least she showed there was inner conflict with what she was doing with her kids. Obama on the other hand just shoved his kids into every spotlight he could find for them!! LOL!!

Bottom line...they are all politicians, they are all guilty of saying what they thing we want to hear, they are all guilty of playing to the populace, they are all guilty of putting on a big show to highlight them as family people, they are all guilty of doing very little of what the promise when they get in office, etc.. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:35 AM:

" ODF-Well I voted already this morning and I did not vote for your beloved country girl. I did not care how much money they spent on clothes. Just like every other person, when you get a new job you must dress to the code regardless of the cost. She signed up to work all these hours and travel state to state so that is no excuse for appearing as though we here in Mid-Missouri are some kind of country bumpkins. I work many hours a week well over 40, but I still cannot come to work in jeans. You probably shouldn't vote if you feel a person comfort has priority over being professional. It is about class, ask Barbara Bush about it! "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:35 AM:

" Gotta go. Gotta see if KRCG will be re running that fabulous taping they had yesterday. ha!!!!!!!!!!! Take care ya'll. This too shall pass. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:34 AM:

" I just could not drag my prego daugher on stage but hey, thats just me. I felt sorry for the girl. Yes exploiting. First she wanted them out of the public, then she paraded them around. Make up your mind. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:32 AM:

" ME TOO!!!! My mailbox is stuffed full. Both at home and on the computer. god, don't you know the mail delivery people deserve a special place in heaven??? And I had more people campaigning at my door that I had trick or treaters. Tomorrow, tomorrow...the sun will come out tomorrrow. Hey folks, its only a day away. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:32 AM:

" Exploiting her kids?? Gimme a break...what about Obama having his kids on stage? Doing a TV interview? Doing a Newsweek or Time interview??

WHO has been exploiting their kids? LOL!! "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:31 AM:

" jc - oops, should have been "how you all are raising your grandson". Teaching 5 years to talk like that and not be respectful of adults, including presendential candidates is exactly why our society is in the shape it is. You and your family are part of the problem.... "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:29 AM:

" Heavens no, they all do it. Some can pull it off better than others. Its hokey...with the Joe the Plumber, shout out...carhart routine. Hokey. I just couldn't get past that. And I couldn't get past her exploiting her kids. Like I said, can we have a do over?? "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:29 AM:

" boxer - It's been a complete circus, that is for sure. I'm so ready for it to be over too! "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:24 AM:

" boxer - You talk about all the handlers and such, and then keep saying Palin played "us" like a fiddle. First of all, not sure who you are referring to as "us", because I was not there, didn't really see much of the event on TV and have made my voting decision based on facts, not some campaign dog and pony show. But moving on....how is Palin "playing JC" any different than Obama "playing" KC, St. L, Spfld, etc?? Do you think it's just Palin that is playing to the crowd? Please! "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:24 AM:

" You know ODF - I like your comments. And you know I am Republican. But can you honestly sit there and tell me that this has not been one big circus??? LIke I said, wonderful entertainment. I will be sorry to see it stop. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Hey, Jessie Ventura won a Gubernatorial seat....whats that tell ya? ha!!!!!!! "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:20 AM:

" jcreader...that says more about you as a person and a parent than it does your 5 year old or the candidates. It's obvious he learned is manners and respect (or lack thereof) from you. What is even sadder is the fact you are proud of how you are raising your son and his lack of respect for his elders and coplete lack of manners. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:19 AM:

" I liked her other clothes. And didn't give a hoot how much they spent on them. Didn't bother me a bit. I gotta tell you all, there are some shrewd women that work for the state. Don't you think they saw through all of this stuff? Dressing in blue jean and yee hawing it up? Come on. If you don't think that her handlers tell her how to dress for a region or how to act, you are mistaken. I am telling you....played you all like a fiddle. "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:18 AM:

" harmorgan, please. Do you really expectu us to believe that you will now not vote for Palin simply because she wore jeans? That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard and it's probably a good indication that you should not be voting at all. These candidates have been doing 18-20 hour days....visiting 2, 3 + states in a day. Why can't she wear jeans if she pleases? It's not like she was in a t-shirt and cut offs. She wore what she was comfortable in. If you're "offended" by a woman in jeans to the point you won't vote for her, then you really have no business going to the polls at all. "

jcreader wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:15 AM:

" To sum things up my 5 year old grandson said it best when I asked him if he knew who the men were we were voting for; "There's Barack, then there's the old guy, right?" "

formerJC wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:15 AM:

" You bash Sarah for wearing blue jeans, and you bash her because the RNC spends money for "professional" clothes. The poor women can't do anything right according to some people. The fact is, she has more executive experience than Obama has, and he is running for the top office!
She will make a great VP! Obama has way too many radical friends/associates!
McCain/Palin 08!!! "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Obama is the one with the ties to Rezko and has taken more money from failed company CEO's on Wall Street than McCain. Obama is the one with ties to the anti-white "Rev." Jeremiah Wright. Obama is the one that has an aunt that has violated US Immigration policy and continues to break the law by remaining in the US illegally. Obama is the one that has ties to a US terrorist and DOES/HAS support muslims.

Educated? I think not.... "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:05 AM:

" Lamey - You consider yourself and educated person, but your opinions do not back up that fact. You have the 2 candidates mixed up. AlQaeda supports Obama, not McCain. They know about Obama's ties and his connections to unsavory characters. AlQaeda wants Obama in office not McCain.
McCain support alternative fuels just as much as "that one", only difference is he support drilling NOW to lessen our dependency on foreign oil until real, vialble alternatives are developed.
Check your facts....BOTH candidates plans will add to the deficit. Neither candidates plan, as proposed, can be implanted without adding to the defiicit. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:04 AM:

" hoe down, sorry. HOE. God I am so loving this entertainment. When will they put the gun rack in the oval office if they win?? I hate to tell you all, but she played you like an old fashioned fiddle. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Oh and the best was Kit standing there yee hawing it up. Ha!!!!!!!!!!!! Right. Thats when you know they will do anything for their party. Thank god I had a bad feed from KRCG cause it was all too much to endure. Kit doing a how down, now thats a good one. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:53 AM:

" The blue jean thing blew me away. Unprofessional. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:48 AM:

" The article reports that Palin wore blue jeans for the rally in Jefferson City! I am embarrassed as a professional women that this woman who could be our next vp would present herself in this manner. This just shows the lack of respect that she has for us here in Mid-Missouri. I'm not interested in her ability to be a good ol boy or a hockey mom. I am interested in what she can do for this country. Thanks Sarah for letting me know the day before election the level of class that you represent for professional women. I've never woke up on a Monday morning and thought let me wear jeans to work. Can I say fired, and she lost my vote. "

LameyLynn wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:46 AM:

" I am an educated woman in my mid twenties who is voting for Obama. Health care is my number one issue. I cannot even get emergency medical insurance due to a "pre-existing condition" McCain's health care policy will only put our nation in 400 trillion more dollars of debt on top of the 700 million dollar bailout. The solution isn't "Drill More" we can no longer be lazy as American citizens...we must look into renewable more cost efficient energy sources. The Al-queda supports McCain because they want to keep things similar. If you don't believe me there are extensive articles to be found all over the web from various sources. Also...if you believe Obama is Muslim you are ignorant. Please look into the facts. OBAMA08! "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:10 AM:

" Only positive is maybe it will finally give the courts the push they need to do away with a MAJOR racist law...affirmative action! "

ODF wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:09 AM:

" dbax wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:58 PM:
"jays79" the comment is racist because John McCain's middle name is never used.

Sorry dbax, but using someone's middle name is not racist...no matter how badly you want it to be....but it's typical of liberal democrats to play the race card. It's what you do.

However, voting for someone solely because of their race IS racism...and I gurantee you more people are voting for BHO because of his race than are voting for McCain because of his. If BHO wins it will be BECAUSE of his race....so racism may very well determine the outcome of this election. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:58 AM:

" Oh and I predict a dem. Gov., so hold on to your panties. I imagine the dept. heads didn't get much sleep last night. "

boxergal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:52 AM:

" I find these posts so funny. ODF has it right on. This is a dog and pony show. They all are. And this gal is/was their show dog. Unfortunately, I don't think her pedigree was good enough. Too bad Kay Bailey Hutchison wasn't on the ticket. Too bad others weren't. This lady just was not ready to be with the big dogs. Good luck to you all and I hope the best for our Country. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 6:23 AM:

" Gobama! "

mark_von wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:55 AM:

" AMAZED, nice cut and paste job from the internet email spams that have been going around. I wonder why the far right feel the need to spread this stuff around via email. I havent seen one made up that slams McCain. I guess the left has better things to do with thier lives. "

AMAZED wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:42 AM:

" NEED MORE STATISTICS FOR CHICAGO AND ILLINOIS?

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from and:

HE'S GONNA 'fix' WASHINGTON POLITICS FOR US? "

AMAZED wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:41 AM:

" Pull out of IRAQ???
Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?
Body count in the last six months:
292 killed (murders) in Chicago;
221 killed in Iraq defending freedom.
Chicago.... Who Runs it?:
Senators: Barack Obama & Duck Durbin
Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,
llinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,
Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,
Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley
all Democrats.
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago!!.....of course, they're all
blaming each other!
But this time, they can't blame Republicans because there aren't any! "

mrh wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:58 AM:

" There sure is a lot of out of context and inaccurate quotes and "facts" found here. Be smart, do your research and vote for the team you believe will do the best for our country. Don't waste time listening to individuals that can only give part of an argument. Don’t let your emotions rule the day, show your intelligence and be a part of the process, not a lamb being lead to slaughter. "

Lacross_08 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:16 PM:

" Obama for president


Barack Obama has the energy, stamina, vision, resolve, and charisma to deal with a host of problems America faces

He also wants to help struggling home-
owners stay in their houses by allowing them to restructure their mortgages.

Mr. Obama has promised to cut income taxes for 95 percent of all Americans, putting money in their pockets "

live77 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:59 PM:

" so, anyway sandhouse, I'm not saying he didn't vote for them because he doesn't support the troops, but I remember that there was a bill on illegal immigration or something like that. It contained a huge sum of money for the Iraq war, somehow it was tied in to hiring illegal aliens. when Dems read the bill and voted no because of the iraq war money, they were called soft on illegal immigration. If they voted yes, the bush administration recieved x amount of billions for the war.I'm not arguing whether this bill was right or wrong, I'm just saying people vote no sometimes because they don't like the wording or something like that. Not just because they hate the troops. "

live77 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:54 PM:

" continued.... and the creation of numerous other corps to help out in america. The veterans corp, clean energy corp and classroom corp were a few of the new ideas he had to create things to help found new ideas for protecting america through not only attacks, but storms, energy drought and numerous other national crisis. The republicans disagreement, from what I understood, was not the formation of these groups and the comparisons to nazi germans, but the funding. Where does all of this money come from. This is what's scary folks, hearing a name, and from the name, judging it's worthiness or even worse, comparing it to Hitler. Research is easier than ever. google things to see what people actually say about them. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:52 PM:

" sigh....

perceptions, imagine, iffa coulda shoulda....
I bet McCain wishes he could have a few do overs on several things....

He's an honorable man and an exceptional American.....and tomorrow he's going to get sent home to AZ to think about "what if".

It will all be over except for the wailing and gnashing tomorrow.
:)

Thanks for your service.
Good night. "

live77 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:48 PM:

" three... I did research the national securtiy force quote, and as far as I can tell, Obama did talk about a national security force. He talked about the national securtiy force in reference to not only is the soldier responsible for security in america, but so is the teacher in Los angeles, the day care worker in new orleans. (not an exact quote, but close) Obama talked about expanding the budgets of unarmed agencies who help keep america safe through other means. There was one mention of funding an army strictly for the US, that army woudl be the salvation army. The peace corp and americorp....continued "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:46 PM:

" So playing politics over funding veteran's care is okay by you?

You can "imagine" all you want.

John McCain has consistently voted against funding for our veterans. Look it up...the record is clear.

When it comes to backing up the rhetoric with real dollars to take care of these folks McCain has been AWOL. I guess that's easy to do when you're covered by Senate Health Plan....but it sure don't make it right. "

live77 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:43 PM:

" two.. of course most military people support a republican president. Why?? Because you are taught in the military from the young rank of private that republicans support the military and dems cut the military. What does that mean to Mr and Mrs army private, Pay raises. So the belief is, vote democrat cut your own throat by not getting pay raises. I have done no actual research on when pay raises occur what the percantage is of dems vs rep, but I was in the army for 15 yrs, and always voted republican, why, more pay raises. NOt saying it's true, that's the perception. "

live77 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:37 PM:

" Here is a few things I have learned over the years, just because a candidate votes no on a bill, doesn't mean he disagrees with the bill's basic idea. The people who write the bill cram very strange things into the written bill. I don't know if thats the case, but I would imagine that there was something written in the bills he voted no for that he did not like. Statistics can be turned around to say whatever the people who are quoting the statistice want to say. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:34 PM:

" ....not to mention the fact that he never signed on the improved GI Bill legislation....

Actions speak louder than words.
McCain is all talk.

President Obama has made it clear that the care of our troops will come FIRST over politics.

Anyone who wants to come work with me at Truman VA Hospital to find out what most of those vets think of John McCain's happy talk is more than welcome anytime. Or you could drop by your local recruiting office and ask those folks. LOL..but be forewarned....those boys don't mince words when it comes to politician's using them to pander.

Good night all.
Tomorrow is going to be a great day!
:) "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:29 PM:

" "John Mccain knows that if we pull out now or take funding away from our troops,....."

Some here seem to be under the impression that McCain is an advocate for our troops.

Here's how McCain "supports" the troops.

– Voted AGAINST an amendment providing $20 billion to the VA’s medical facilities. [5/4/06]

– Voted AGAINST providing $430 million to the VA for outpatient care “and treatment for veterans,” one of only 13 senators to do so. [4/26/06]

– Voted AGAINST increasing VA funding by $1.5 billion by closing corporate loopholes. [3/14/06]

– Voted AGAINST increasing VA funding by $1.8 billion by ending “abusive tax loopholes.” [3/10/04] "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:16 PM:

" I thought Halloween was over!!
LOLOL
Boogity Boogity!!

Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3]

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the reductio ad Hitlerum form.

Godwin has argued[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

You "Hitler" folks really need to get a grip.
If you think you're doing your side any good you're truly delusional. "

Christnlady wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:06 PM:

" yes he does, and he deserves it, he made it on his own, and is very studied in economics, and has been a guest on many national tv and radio shows, on request, for his opinions. Good for him.... "

geofra wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:00 PM:

" Ms. Chrstnlady;
Dave Ramsey makes millions. I would expect him to be absolutely against Obama's tax plan because he will be enormously affected by it.

Debt free by 43! (i.e., 2010) "

Christnlady wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:51 PM:

" well educated or not, the democrats wanting a "trickle - up" economics planned missed their economics class, it doesn't work! I heard dave ramsey live tonight, and he talked about this "spread the wealth" plan as robbing by the goverment. He also added, that a lot of this was envy based, some want what the others have! How insane....of course it is! I don't want to work but i want welfare, health care, and many other benefits that the wealthy will have to pay for...McCain - Palin '08 "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:34 PM:

" cjs asked, "" Did I read that right? Are some of you implying that "educated" people will vote for McCain/Palin and "uneducated" people will vote for Obama/Biden??"

If you have a moment, go to Gallup.com and click on "Election Trends by Group," then click on "Candidate Support by Education."

It's interesting, cjs.

:) "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:32 PM:

" geofra,

I do believe that the terms "military" and "defense" are interchangeable. Same as "Social Security" and "Commitments to seniors". 8-) "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:29 PM:

" Mac1974,

First you make fun of a man that was tortured as a POW by saying "Part of the reason I'm not voting for McCain is because he has funny arms (shiver) and they give me the willies! (gasp)" and now you are condescending for Bulldogs wife staying home to raise their children. You know, the more people like yourself post the more people see exactly how ludicrous some of Obama's supporters are and reinforces countless reasons to vote for Mccain tomorrow. "

Mac wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:29 PM:

" Bulldog's right on about the Obama's domestic forces. This is only one example of a slippery slope that would be nearly impossible to overturn in a single party-controlled house, senate and white house. It could be a threat to our precious, hard-fought American freedoms. Apparently, too many people slept through history class and are doomed to repeat mistakes. WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!! Do not elect this man to lead our country. "

geofra wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:24 PM:

" " Gov. Palin said: "...a spending freeze with exceptions for the military and commitments to seniors and veterans."
Defense and social security spending are exactly the things that need to be reformed to get spending under control. You can't cut anything else and get a major impact.
I hope she is only speaking campaignese. "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:16 PM:

" The opinions posted here are on both sides of the election. And that is as it should be.

As w/any presidential election, we will probably all vote for the persons we feel best identify with our needs.

It's doubtful anyone will change their vote tomorrow based on what is written here. And that's okay too.

I will say this one more time and then stop posting: once the dust settles after the election, we all need to pull together and show support for our Country and the leaders of our Nation.

If you don't like the results, work for change. But don't tear other people down. It's childish and ineffective. "

geofra wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:13 PM:

" "According to their own plans ... the first thing to go will be one-quarter of your U.S. defense budget," Palin said.
This is no doubt what Sen. McCain would have to do. Have you seen some of the junk in the Defense Dept.? Do we need bases in Japan and Germany anymore? How about shelving projects that have nothing to do with the war on terrorism and devote that money to the war? Then we wouldn't need to pass emergency funding outside of the programmed budget.
I think McCain has the salt to tackle this. "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:12 PM:

" Did I read that right? Are some of you implying that "educated" people will vote for McCain/Palin and "uneducated" people will vote for Obama/Biden??

I know, let's change the system so that only people w/a certain (high) IQ can vote! That way everything will turn out A-okay, right?

I think not. Just because someone doesn't agree with you or holds a different opinion, does not mean they are less edcuated. It just means they have a different opinion - and it's 'uneducated' to assume anything else. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:56 PM:

" Bulldog said, "I am a Father of three in a single income family. My wife quit her job to raise our children."

You speak as if you're proud of this. "

bulldog145 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:41 PM:

" I am a Father of three in a single income family. My wife quit her job to raise our children. We make our house payment EVERY MONTH. Takeing more of MY money to pay for some crackhead to stay in goverment housing playing Xbox all day is a threat to me and all hard working Americans. Now I'm hearing about some National Security Force Obama wants; I do believe Hitler called it the S.S. Ask a Holocaust surviver how that went. "

Christnlady wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Vote tomorrow for a better change, McCain & Palin. Be sure to take the time to throw out the old democratic Senators so that the new President, and new plans will work! See you at the polls. We will be honored to have McCain/Palin as our new leaders-we should be so honored and blessed. "

KMK311 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:24 PM:

" It is very frustrating how uneducated people are that will be casting their votes, and they count the same as yours and mine. I too check the facts on the issues that concern me most. There are some Obama supporters that were interviewed on the streets of Harlem that were asked only a few simple questions about Obama's policies and why they were supporting him, problem being that they were listing only McCain's policies. The idiot followers agreed with every policy that they were given (finishing war in Iraq, being against stem cell research, etc.), and then when asked if Sarah Palin was a good choice for Obama for his VP, they all agreed that she would do an excellent job. Insane! "

kcdavidcookfan wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:23 PM:

" ITS ME
First off, I want to say thank you to your brother who gave his all and served his country with pride. Thank you for supporting your brother while he served. I am with you all the way on who most of the soldiers are currently voting for. All of the soldiers that I know are saying the same things that you have said you heard from them. We must take care of our troops who protect our freedoms every day.
(proud mom of an Army soldier)
(My son chose to serve so that those who don't want to won't have to) "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:08 PM:

" This is why I will not be voting for Obama in the next election. The video below will explain.

prolifetraining.com/WMV/Abortion-LTI-high.wmv

Barack Obama has stated "the first thing I'd do as president" would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which would overturn every local, state, and federal abortion law passed in the past 35 years

Watch the video before you reply please. "

joytotheworld wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:08 PM:

" It was awsome, that's all I'll say about her. :) "

momjc wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:02 PM:

" I also want to add that Obama has a lot of the youth. The ones who are the blind followers and don't think logically for themselves. Most people who take the time to research and listen to all sides of an issue will see that it is easy to cover up a bad story or history. The public likes to hear what makes them feel good and not what is always the best for them or popular. I think Obama will win, but it will be a close win and the democrats will fight it for weeks after the tomorrows outcome.l History will repeat itself again. I will still vote for McCain/Palin and hope for the best. "

momjc wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:56 PM:

" Lets get back to the article. Sarah Palin was wonderful. Her speech was inspiring. She hit all the topics that any EDUCATED voter would like. They would try to do the following: not raise our taxs, support small businesses, look for alternate fuel and drill, support gun control, support special needs children to name a few. What people need to do is take an educated look at a person's history in office. McCain and Palin have both.
Let's get past the name bashing, the republicans have ran for the most part a clean campaign, we have just told the truth. We have not had the celebrety indorsements and media behind us. We are not blind followers. "

geofra wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:56 PM:

" Gov. Palin said: "...a spending freeze with exceptions for the military and commitments to seniors and veterans."
We are at a $10 trillion debt because of current spending. A spending freeze will only keep our debt from growing at an increasing rate. Sen. McCain needs to drastically cut spending - from Dept. A to Dept. Z. Fiscal responsibility is my number one issue, and, unfortunately, neither candidate has adequately addressed the issue. We've put ourselves in a financial hole since Reagan and its going to take 30 years of serious belt tightening to get ourselves out. "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:48 PM:

" Real89 - check back with us in a few years and let us know what you've learned.

naturally - for us to unite doesn't mean we all have to agree. This goes back to that concept so many have problems with - tolerance.

We can disagree but still work together for the common good. And in 4 years if we don't like what we see, we get to vote again.

You assume I'm liberal. I've not said who I am voting for. I'm just saying we all need to vote, and then stand up for our Nation and work for the good of our country.

You got a problem with that? "

Christnlady wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:47 PM:

" You want us to come together after obama wins? no, wrong! If Obama wins, it will be because a lot of people didn't care about the issues, or want something for themselves, and don't really care about the economics that will help us as a whole or they just want someone that's young, black, or speaks well. If you watch the foreign news channels and economic predictions on these channels, they all predict bad economics, testing of his foreign policies. Palin and McCain are capable & willing-Good luck to us! But if we don't win, we'll know why and it wasn't because of capabilities. "

its-me wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:47 PM:

" Real89 ....That is a sad that as an 18 yr old first time voter that you can say that, but it is true. Becareful though, because there are some on the boards that will say it is your parents making the vote for you. Many don't think that the younger generation can make up their minds and vote how they want. They will say your parents are brainwashing you and trying to turn you into a cult member....

McCain/Palin 08!!!!! "

its-me wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:44 PM:

" cont...my own brother is a injured Iraq Freedom veteran. He was injured July 5, 2005 in an event that killed 2 others. He is now 25 yrs old and has no use of his arms, but is still proud of the job he and his fellow soldiers did and are doing now. In his own words to his family he has told us it is a disgrace to the American soldiers fighting everyday to vote for someone who does not support the cause they fight for. It is a SLAP in the face to they men & women over there.

McCain/Palin 2008!!!
God Bless the USA...WE NEED IT! "

its-me wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:41 PM:

" and for the ones voting because the don't believe in the war then you all need to wake up. They fight to keep you free and they deserve the respect from a commander in chief that will salute and stand up for the American flag and not shy away from getting the job done. If we were attacked again I would want John McCain there to lead the charge. Not someone who doesn't even love the USA. Obama's own wife said that she was only proud of America now, because they are considering choosing her husband as the leader of the free world. What is wrong with this country when we elect people like that into the white house. My own brother.... "

its-me wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:38 PM:

" For the ones who won't vote for McCain because he will leave our troops overseas, have you talked to ANY of the service men over there now or past? Over 85% of the servicemen & women serving right now are VOTING for McCain. They know they have a job to do and the want a commander in chief that is willing to stand up with them and fight. How many of them signed up after 9-11 to fight against the terrorist to keep you free. Yes, we have lost many good men & women during this fight, but they did not die in vain. They had a job to do and they did it with pride and did it for you, "

Real89 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:34 PM:

" This is my first year to vote and im very proud of that.. its funny that me..an 18 yr old..can see straight through the BS more than some blind adults can..Ha




VOTE-McCain/Palin 08!!!!! "

Boscoe wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:17 PM:

" You people are sick to be poking fun at a veteran who served his country well and who was tortured by the enemy for several years.

Wasn't it Biden who was also caught at a campaign rally publicly mocking a parapalegic because he "refused" to stand up from his wheelchair?

Democrats open lack of respect to the disabled make me sick. "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:17 PM:

" This is why I will not be voting for Obama in the next election. The video below will explain.

prolifetraining.com/WMV/Abortion-LTI-high.wmv

Barack Obama has stated "the first thing I'd do as president" would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which would overturn every local, state, and federal abortion law passed in the past 35 years

Watch the video before you reply please. "

naturally wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:16 PM:

" like the reason we went into war or not;
it was obama that didn't want to fund the troops because he assumed they would fail
we stayed in and now are seeing a success that you cool-aid drinkers still will not acknowledge.
what happens if we leave, you don't care, not your problem.

As far as uniting - does that mean you'll abandon your liberal think?

can't wait to see what you think in 4 years after being bludgeoned by obama/pelosi/ried/biden

and yes the similarities are too close with history - you can deny it but you can't stop evil with your head in the sand "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:06 PM:

" Re: the war - according to the War Powers Act of 1973, Congress helps make the choice about war. And let's face it, many of us were all for fighting SOMEONE right after 9/11.

To see some FACTS, check out fastcheck dot org and maybe you'll see that the ads on TV and what the candidates say, on both sides, have the spin they want, not always the actual facts.

Most people writing here have already made up their mind for whom they will vote. It is going to be a close race. I just hope, once it's over, we can come together and support our Nation. "

kcdavidcookfan wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:05 PM:

" John Mccain knows that if we pull out now or take funding away from our troops, that all that we have accomplished so far would be in vain and the terrorist would gain back a lot of ground that our men and women have fought so hard to take from them. I want our troops back just as much if not more then the rest of you since I have a son in the military but we cannot allow the early pullout and lose all the ground that we have gained. This is from a proud Army mom (My son chose to serve so others who don't want to won't have to.)
US Army HOOAH! "

kcdavidcookfan wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:00 PM:

" I cannot in good thinking vote for someone who wants to take funding away from our military. John Mccain has earned my respect with his military service and now his sons military service. He will take care of our fighting men and women because he has been there and done that.
McCain/ Palin 08
ps: My husband is a hunter and provides for our family in this way. I don't want his right's taken away either. "

mariab wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:57 PM:

" Reason #3 why I'm for Obama: Bush led us into a war with Iraq because he had a personal agenda to address there. McCain has a personal agenda to address in regard to staying in Iraq, based on his Viet Nam experience. Our men and women are not fodder for these men's personal agendas. "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:56 PM:

" rll8on - I don't know if you've read much here but if you have, you will know that my "response" to Mac was tinged with sarcasm. Mac and I don't agree on - well, anything that I can think of.

As for McCain - I honor his war and POW experience and am not making any joke/fun of what he went through.

To vote for or against a person due to race/gender is a waste of vote. To vote for Obama because he's black and it's "obvious that old WHITE men can't get it right" makes as much sense as voting for Palin because she's a woman and it's "obvious that old white MEN can't get it right" "

kcdavidcookfan wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:55 PM:

" You all are asking about John Mccains arms. John Mccain was tortured as a POW several times and it was very grueling. The treatment he received as a POW was so bad that he can no longer use his arms properly. He can only raise them so high because of the injuries he sustained. Some people may not like the man for president, but you cannot deny the fact that he fought, was severly injured and almost died for this country. My son is in the Army and because I come from a military family (Dad retired from the Marine Corp and then went into the Air Force reserves), sister was in the Navy as a medic and my brother was a Marine) cont. "

mariab wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:55 PM:

" Reason #2 why I'm for Obama: On the experience issue. Does McCain have more experience as a senator and as a soldier than Obama? Yes, of course. The recent leaders of AIG, Wachovia, Merrill Lynch, etc. had a ton of experience in their areas. Rumsfeld had a ton of experience. Experience has limited value if you lack clear-eyed vision, good judgment, appropriate knowledge, and ability to execute. If all we do is look at how the two gentlemen manage their campaigns, it's clear to me that Obama is the more capable executive. McCain's campaign ran out of money in the primary phase because of misspending. His campaign's been plagued by dissent, inconsistencies, etc. "

chakkers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:51 PM:

" Did anyone in attendance today keep track of the number of lies Ms Palin told today? Just curious. "

rll8on wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:48 PM:

" McCain's arms are a direct result of injuries inflicted on him (and lack of proper medical care)while he was a prisoner of war.....i would be ashamed to base my voting against someone because of a disability.....it would be like not voting for Obama because he is black.... "

mariab wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:46 PM:

" Reason #1 why I'm for Obama: When primary campaigns first started, I felt Obama (like Guiliani and Thompson) was a 'gimmick' candidate, but thought I'd see what shook out as primary cont'd. Was neutral on McCain. As primary cont'd, felt fairly OK on Clinton, Obama or McCain. Could live with any of the three. However, once the primary candidates shook out, McCain's (and then Palin's) outright lies and irrational scare-mongering made me lose all respect for McCain. And Obama, as time went on, remained civil, focused, thoughtful. I feel embarrassed for McCain. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:34 PM:

" Thank you, cjs!

I will be voting at approximately 7:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:17 PM:

" Mac1974, as always, your post has hit on the truly important aspect of a topic!!

But about Mc arms - what IS that all about? Creeps me out too!

No matter who you are for - VOTE! If you don't vote you forfeit your right to gripe later.

VOTE! "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:57 PM:

" sincere - you wrote that M/P will stop 'wasteful government spending' but it doesn't matter who gets in to office. That's not going to happen. Government = wasteful spending. There will ALWAYS be wasteful spending. Waste - and value - are in the eye of the beholder.

But we still need to vote! "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:56 PM:

" Part of the reason I'm voting for Obama is because he's black. It's obvious that old white men can't get it right.


Part of the reason I'm not voting for McCain is because he has funny arms (shiver) and they give me the willies! (gasp) "

sincere wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:48 PM:

" Change? Yes I want change. The kind of change the McCain/Palin Administratoin will bring. I know they are committed to overseeing and protecting our Great Nation. They will also stop wasteful government spending (big plus) so our tax dollars will be used wisely and for the good of our country. "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:45 PM:

" rayder - you are absolutely right! And some will vote for M/P because a woman is running, and some will not vote for M/P because a woman is running.

We need to stop putting people down and begin lifting them up. What example are we giving our children? "

rayder wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:33 PM:

" People - this is a history making election. We have a black man on one side a white woman on the other. Pick the person you want and then VOTE! Don't dump on other people just because they have an opinion. I do believe some people will be voting for Obama because he IS black, I also believe people will NOT vote for him because he is black. This should not be happening in 2008. "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:23 PM:

" And please note: BOTH candidates are promising change! What do you want them to do - say "we're going to keep business as usual, just like it's been for the last 8 years!!" Of course not!

We need change. Regardless of who becomes our next president, there will be change. Some for the good, some not so much. "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:23 PM:

" " Does anyone think splurging a surplus and leaving our children with TRILLIONS of dollars in debt is okay....Is that "conservative"??
.....anyone??

Why would we vote for a man who supported these policies throughout the past 8 years with his votes??

Enough is enough already!!

Obama08
:) "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:18 PM:

" I wish I were shocked by some of these posts - to compare any of the candidates w/Hitler - shame on you.

If you don't like a candidate - fine, say so. But it is not necessary to slam, defame, and make such derogatory comments.

No matter who wins - who you vote for or who I vote for - I hope that after the election is over, we are all able to unite and pull together and do what we can for our country.

Show some class, people! "

msindependent wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:18 PM:

" Anyone who thinks 3-TRILLON dollars is not enough to run a government raise you hand...anyone?

Why would we vote for a man who is going to increase the take of the feds?

Enough is enough already (and it goes for every senator and congrssman too) show us how your gonna cut the budget.

One thing is a fact, John McCain never added one pork dollar to the budget for his state in over 25-years of service, he's the only one who has that record of integity.

I Don't like John particularly, but Bushes major failing was his fiscal responsibility, and that is John's strong suit. Defense and respect for my tax-dollar.

McCain X

Obama "

sandhouse wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:05 PM:

" Godwin was an optomist.

LOL "

josephjsalas wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Look. i just had confirmed today that
the US Supreme court as well as all
local courtrooms are owned by the
United nations and, get this, Senator
Rockefeller. A number of clerks
at the office told me: "there's nothing
we can do about it". So is this part
of the "change" that obama keeps
speaking of? I say we keep
reminding him of just what we sacrificed
in order for him to take office.
Let's use this to reinstate the 5th
amendment, yes? "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:41 PM:

" (cont.)

The parallels are clear and they are scary!

What is the lesson to be learned?

The German people blindly followed Hitler with his promises of change. Hitler and his cohorts were not scrutinized by enough people. Barack Obama is promising change and many are blindly following in a similar euphoric state. All candidates for the presidency must be questioned and carefully scrutinized.

Aldewitt, I really see no relation to Sarah's speech today and Hitler, but I do see how some can associate it to Obama. "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:40 PM:

" (cont)

The Nazis were elitists with talk of the Arayan Race.

Obama has recently shown his elitist attitude during his speech in San Francisco. His arrogance parallels Hitler’s Aryan race comments in regard to Obama’s God Like omnipotence in regard to having the answers to problems.

Adolf Hitler had many people fooled including many Jews that never thought all of that evil could happen in their country.

Obama has many people fooled including many Jews that are ignoring all the evil and anti semitism surrounding Obama.

(cont) "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:39 PM:

" (cont)

Adolf Hitler spoke of change and a new Germany.

Obama constantly speaks of change.

The people of Germany got caught up in the euphoria of changes that Hitler promised.

Obama supporters are caught up in the euphoria of the moment and Obama’s promise of change.

The Nazis burned books to eradicate records and contrary thoughts.

Obama has denied having records, not provided records and been extremely evasive when asked to supply records.

The Nazis bullied Jews and other segments of society.

Obama supporters have bullied bloggers when questions about Obama or his past are asked. Some attacks are clearly orchestrated by the Obama Campaign. Some of these bullies have attacked family members of bloggers.

(cont) "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:36 PM:

" aldewitt, you try to associate Sarah with hitler...

The economic conditions in Germany after World War I were horrible.

The perceived economic conditions are bad. They are perfect here compared to post War War I Germany.

Adolf Hitler honed his oratory skills and became a superb speaker.

Obama worked on his oratory skills. He is a superb speaker with the ability to mesmerize his followers.

Adolf Hitler surrounded himself with thugs and Jew haters.

Obama has been surrounded by those classified as racists, anti semites, criminals and drug users.

Adolf Hitler and the Nazis blamed the Jews for their problems.

Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and others have blamed white people and Jews for their problems.

(cont) "

naturally wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:34 PM:

" BTW the word is 'seceding' from the Union. There are a lot of us that, should the dems get both houses, feel seceding would be a better option. That's right, but you can keep the west coast and Chicago; we'll keep our guns. "

OldGenX wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:34 PM:

" Interesting, a PTA mom, Mayor, Governor, and now a Vice Presidential candidate, all while juggling a family.

This is what you consider a slap in the face to all women. "

naturally wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:31 PM:

" If adwitt and dbax are an example of those voting for obama I'm even more proud to vote for John Sydney McCain and our fav Sarah Palin.

dbax - how do you like the job the dems are doing for Chicago and Ill in general. If you 2 want to see how the dems have done so far in these political blogs you should go to the front page and to the most commented stories. Your areguements have been shut down before and will continue to be here. "

OldGenX wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:26 PM:

" Wow aldewit: Way to completely ignore any sensible discussion of the issues. Two DNC talking points, mean spirited attack on children, and even managed to throw "Hitler" in the mix.

Must be applying for a job at NBC news. "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:24 PM:

" To me the bottom line is this: VOTE! No matter who wins, once the election is over (and it can't be too soon for me) we ALL need to get behind the new Prez/VP and give our total support. About 1/2 of us will be happy, 1/2 won't. But no matter - our job is to VOTE, then support our country, pray for our leaders, and do the best we can. In four years, whoever loses will get another chance if they want it.

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE! "

dbax wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:23 PM:

" lovemyboys-Being a woman, I'm not predjudice or scared of a woman in the white house. I welcome it, but when McCain picked Palin for his VP it was a slap in the face for all women. And if you want to talk about character of these candidates or who they associate with, Palin is a real gem and patriot! Do you know her husband was an avid supporter of succeeding from the union? Palin attended a few meetings too. I will be glad when this race is over too so maybe this country can unite again. All McCain and Palin have done is caused divisiveness in this country by running a dismal, attack campaign. "

lovemyboys wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:12 PM:

" Or, maybe the whole idea of a woman in a leadership role scares you? Prejudice goes both ways and many ways....I don't know of anyone NOT voting for Obama because of his race, although I'm willing to be there are some.

Come on Nov 5th! It's like waiting for Christmas Day when you were child..it can't get here fast enough..LOL! "

lovemyboys wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:08 PM:

" dbax -- that ball swings both ways. Democrats are biased against McCain because of his age (that's discrimination too you know)...I don't care what color the person is, but I do care about the issues and who they associated with recently and in the past...that says something about character, not? The old saying is, "Reputation is what you are in the light and Character is what you are in the dark."

And, I would say being Gov of a State is moe experience than being a Senator. Are you prejudiced against Alaska because of their population, location, etc? They are still part of the US and should be treated with the same respect as any other State governor. "

lovemyboys wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:04 PM:

" Hey, a month or so ago Joe Biden was in town at a pep rally...obviously, Repubs are not going to want to listen to him just as Dems didn't want to listen to Gov Palin. There were protestors at both, but there were no problems...it's called free speech. If you don't agree, don't go..noone is forcing you. You all will make your voice known tomorrow and all this political BS will finally be over with. Whichever way it goes, we'll deal with it and we'll move on. "

dbax wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:58 PM:

" "jays79" the comment is racist because John McCain's middle name is never used. And based on experience, the only people who call Obama by his middle name are tying to infer that he is a Muslim, Arab, or terrorist. Muslim and Arab are completety different by the way. I am not voting on race or religion, only issues. I wish more people could say the same, especially in Missouri. Obama/Biden 08!!! "

ODF wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:48 PM:

" jezzi - If you really believe that these rallies are not for supporters than you truly have no idea about how the tickets are distributed and handed out. These rallies are like a high school pep rally...they are not about addressing real-life questions and every day folks...they are dog/pony shows..... "

jaybird08 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:34 PM:

" 3 seconds late on that one "

jaybird08 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:33 PM:

" "dbax" it's his name. how can that be racist? "

jays79 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:33 PM:

" dbax? Why is Jigger's comment racist, that is the man's name! "

dbax wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:14 PM:

" Ok, looks like I am the only Obama supporter that has commented so far. I lived in JC, MO for thirty yrs, but now live in the great city of Chicago. I am a registered independent, but there is no way I can vote for Sarah Palin. Maybe it's just me, but I prefer my President to be smarter than I am. McCain/ Palin are a joke! Lastly, the comment from "Jigger" stating Barack "Hussein" Obama is borderline racist at best and should not be allowed. "

aldewitt wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:04 PM:

" Hitler gave a great speech too. Anyone who abuses her power in Alaska will abuse it in Washington. And I personally don't want to be footing the bill to send her demon spawn with her around the globe and replace her expensive wardrobe. I can't wait until tomorrow when we can retire this wretched woman to the scrap heap of history where she belongs. "

jezzi wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:57 PM:

" ODF - I have to disagree with your comment. How do you know that everybody in the audience was a supporter? I saw several protestors during my walk around the capital, and I'm sure there were people in the audience that don't plan on voting for McCain, but they were respectful and didn't cause a spectacle. I'm not quite sure what you were expecting. Riots? I went to hear Sarah Palin speak. I took time off of work to do so and I would have been extremely irritated if my ability to hear her speech was interrupted by protestors. "

jezzi wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:49 PM:

" The event went smoothly and was very exciting. The line to get in was wrapped around and behind the capital, but it took less than 30 minutes to enter the gate "

Jigger wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:48 PM:

" cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Making a good or even great speech is NOT the same as being equal to the job of VP or President. Don't make a choice on the basis of a speech (that isn't even written by the person who delivers it) - make your choice based on experience and past record of work. "

Barrack Hussain Obama has been doing that very thing his whole campaign! He is known for reading his speaches from script. Why? because he has no experience or past record. He has changed his views over and over. "

ily wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:36 PM:

" i am not making a choice based on the speech, but a choice made on experience. At least she has experience in running a state. What has Obama done? He has been a senator & that is it. No experience running anything, but his mouth on what he will do...blah..blah..blah...3/4 of the stuff out of his mouth are lies. I want someone who has experience. McCain has many years as a senator and he has served his country. "

bankgirl08 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:32 PM:

" cjs- good point, but i certainly hope you're not voting for Obama if you're talking about making your choice based on experience and past record of work... because HE HAS NONE! "

cjs wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Making a good or even great speech is NOT the same as being equal to the job of VP or President. Don't make a choice on the basis of a speech (that isn't even written by the person who delivers it) - make your choice based on experience and past record of work. "

m21364 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Sarah did fantastic! I was already a McCain/Palin voter...but her speach confirmed I was doing the right thing. "

ODF wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Well DUH...of course they cheered. Political rallies are carefully controlled events that let only the supporters in...if dissenters get in and make themselves noticed, they are removed.
Whatever happened to REAL political stump speeches where candidates had to face the general public...supporters and opponents alike?!
Today's campaign rallies are nothing more than a dog and pony show. "

ily wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:53 PM:

" Just got back! I agree GREAT JOB!
They already had my vote, but it was nice to hear it all in person. "

mp6500 wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:41 PM:

" Great job Sarah! It was an awesome event. John and Sarah have my vote!!!

Vote McCain/Palin 08!!!!! "


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