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Jefferson City preparing for NSM march

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By Jeff Haldiman, jhaldiman@newstribune.com

Published: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:53 AM CDT

Upholding the constitutional right of free speech while maintaining order - that's the goal of law enforcement during a scheduled march by a neo-Nazi organization.

At a meeting Wednesday night at the Jefferson City Police Department, members of local law enforcement agencies talked with civic, elected and religious leaders about the National Socialist Movement (NSM) rally and march set for Nov. 8. They also discussed alternatives to the event that could be offered for the public.

“We don't agree with what this group is saying, but we have to defend their right to make a statement,” said Jefferson City police Capt. Mike Smith. “I'd like to see this turn out to be the most well staffed event - for no reason.”

Smith said police cars will be in front and in back of the group, which is something the department generally does for parades. All available police officers will be on duty that day, and they will be assisted by the Cole County Sheriff's Department, Capitol Police, Missouri Highway Patrol and the Missouri Water Patrol.

According to the parade request form filed by the NSM, the group will march past the Governor's Mansion around 1:30 p.m. toward the Capitol, where their rally will start at 2 p.m. on the south side of the building grounds. They plan to finish at the Capitol by 4 p.m. and leave town by 4:30 p.m.

Despite this schedule, Smith said they are not anticipating more than 25 marchers and believe the group may end the event early.

Already, plans are being put forth on alternative activities to take place at the same time the NSM event is going on.


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naturally wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:24 AM:

" "It is possible that Maria worked as a domestic in a house with the name of Frankenberger. The consensus of serious opinion makes Johann Nepomuk the grandfather; the man who raised Alois, though historian Fest writes that Johann Nepomuk eventually claimed his brother was the real father.As biographer Kershaw points out, the question of family in-breeding becomes more obvious if Johann Nepomuk is the grandfather, which would make him the grandfather of both Adolf and his mother Klara Poelzl. "

oh yeah, proud aren't you? "

naturally wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:20 AM:

" that is not the type of guy that represents my culture. Skin colar does not a member of a culture make.

and about you ol'boy Adolf;
Adolf's father, Alois, was nearing his 52nd birthday when Adolf was born, but was only celebrating his 13th year as a Hitler. Alois (Adolf's father) was actually born as Alois Schicklgruber on June 7, 1837 to Maria Anna Schicklgruber.
Mother: Klara Pölzl (1860-1907) "

skynbird wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:08 PM:

" Hitler was right! What you think you know is all jewish lies. By the way, did you see the little black guy down front that was making sexual gestures towards the women and children? Is that the type of person you want to represent your culture? "

naturally wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:51 PM:

" you don't think we agree with you. you were hoping for a fight because you have no life this is you're only source of amusement.
you just aren't worth it, your group is irrelevant and pathetic. No one believes you are superior, not even you.
you still haven't told us how you feel about your cross-bred, inbred, mutt Adolf Hitler. "

skynbird wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:11 PM:

" What happen to everyone? I was looking forward to seeing you all. I thought you were going to bring sticks and beat us. I thought you were going to protest us? The opposition was pathetic! I guess this means that more people agree with us then you thought. Hail "

Hello_Its_me wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:18 AM:

" I hope that everyone on Saturday attends the peace rally at McClurg park. Yes these people are never going to go away, but it doesn't mean that we need to listen to them.
We also don't need any of them coming to my small town that night!!!!!!!

I have never felt pride in America like I did Tuesday night. It was wonderful. "

naturally wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:36 PM:

" yeah, just two;
how do you feel about hitler and his ancestry, you do know about his ancestry don't you?
Still feel superior to other races? "

nospinzone wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:20 PM:

" maybe there will be many black shirt mullet headed
confederate flag wearing meatheads there to support their boys marching, so go ahead and join them mac, boscoe , etc etc . You are who you associate with , the more that go the wider the smile of the neos who planned the event , so as I said before go ahead , do what these idiots want you to
make their day, poor mindless souls you are . Hitler would have loved your easily brainwashed types
as for skynbyrd , you have your rights , no one is trying to make you go away , again you might be promoting your race, but you still are a hate group by nature , "

skynbird wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:19 PM:

" I am White and that is all that matters. My great great grandparents immigrated here from Germany to Pennsylvania. I know where I come from and I know who my people are. Any more ridiculous questions? "

naturally wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:33 AM:

" Now we see what she's all about; she suffers from victimitis disorder.

BTW - cynthia, what race are you? do you know for sure? how long have you been in U.S., how many generations? "

skynbird wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:21 AM:

" My name is Cynthia and you will see me at the event giving a speech against illegal immigration. I am the Springfield Unit leader. If you want to know more then you have to go to our web site.

I find it very disrespectful of you to put Commanders name, address, and phone number on the web like that (even if it is wrong). Stop acting like children and stand up for your race and nation! I won't give you information on others in the movement, just myself. If you want to harass me then bring it on and we will see what the law says about it. "

Mac1974 wrote on Nov 2, 2008 5:59 PM:

" How many members are there in the Jefferson City chapter of the NSM, Skynbird?

Also, please tell me your name. You said you weren't afraid of people knowing who you are, right? "

Skynbird wrote on Nov 2, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Again, you all are not paying attention! Skynbird is what they call female skinheads in the movement. I am not a member of the JC chapter of the NSM....I told you all that I moved away from the horrible place.

What will I do if Obama becomes president? Well, I don't think American's are that stupid. I may be wrong and if I am, well, I am not worried. I am sure that Biden will actually end up being the president in a short amount of time. Haven't you been keeping up on the news?

As for ignoring us, good luck! We will not go away! "

cjs wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:29 PM:

" So Boscoe, I guess that explains why it doesn't work when we ignore people who post foolishness here, right? At least it hasn't seemed to work so far.

Two-cents, you wrote: They are growing. When will it be time to stop them?

The point is that we do not have the RIGHT to stop them. Their march is legal, no matter if we like it or not.

This is America - freedom of expression. "

harmorgan1979 wrote on Oct 31, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Hey skyn so where are you going to move you family when Obama is President to keep them "safe"? lol! "

naturally wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:33 PM:

" " The actual spelling of the name came when Ed was writing the liner notes for the Second Helping album in 1974. He thought it would be funny to name this old Florida black bluesman after the Jewish Loew's Theatre.

So there you have it Skyn - you are more diverse than you thought. " "

naturally wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:30 PM:

" heres one for the skyn (surely you know the Van Zant philosophy)

Old curt was a black man with white curly hair
When he had a fifth of wine he did not have a care
He used to own an old dobro, used to play it across his knee
Id give old curt my money, hed play all day for me
Play me a song curtis loew, curtis loew
I got your drinking money, tune up your dobro
People said he was useless, them people are the fools
cause curtis loew was the finest picker to ever play the blues

If you're borrowing the name you should honor the fame. "

countercouple wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Boscoe- LOL too funny.

Two Cents, they havent won anything. Skyn is a part of the local jeff city chapter who brought the national nazis here, he's no convert.

Nazi's are bad but your attempt to silence them is just as bad. This isnt Communist russia or north korea. We cant just arbitraly decide what kind of speech is free or not. The nazis have a right to be there and to speak.

As always, the left is just as bad as the right. It's we moderates that must hold the day and protect or rights from both sides. "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Turn your head. Ignore the problem. They will go away, just like the drugies and gang-bangers. "

two_cents_worth wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:02 AM:

" I see they got one. They got one and they haven't even arrived yet. (at least for the rally) If this is not stopped we will lose more friends & neighbors to this evil. When they gain supporters, we lose. They are growing. When will it be time to stop them? Easier now than when they are much larger and stronger! "

naturally wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:58 AM:

" nobody's fighting you, nobody cares about your moronic position. You are ineffective and obsolete. "

naturally wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:56 AM:

" win what? "

skynbird wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:15 AM:

" Go ahead and take my picture and put it on the internet. I am already out there! Anyone who drives by my house will see a big Nazi flag in my front window. I don't hid who I am or what I believe in. Publish my address, my phone number, my picture....It is already on the NSM website! I really don't care what others think. I believe in my race and my nation and I know that we will win. Hail Victory!! "

naturally wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:09 AM:

" and I hope some of that 'attention' is potential recruits that see what a huge misjudgement joining this NSM group would be. "

cjs wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:01 PM:

" seems like they've already gotten plenty of attention. Here. "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 30, 2008 10:09 PM:

" Best thing to do: Go to the parade. Take lots of pictures. Identify the Nazis and the new recruits. Post their pictures with their names, addresses, phone numbers, and employers all over central missouri.

If the Nazis want attention, then let's give them more than they can handle. "

naturally wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:14 PM:

" you are right Mr Brown, I would understand if you need to remove it.

I would like Skyn.. to tell me though that the NSM has learned from the mistakes of their ancestors and they understand they are NOT superior. Equal - maybe, seperate- that's your God given right, but superior- not in this world. "

online_editor wrote on Oct 30, 2008 1:51 PM:

" Just a general reminder here to keep it civil. Please steer clear of any personal jabs and stick with issues. Being such an emotional topic, it's easy to spiral down into insults. Hypothetically, if someone were baiting you in a heated discussion, that probably would be the payoff they'd be looking for. Thanks. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

naturally wrote on Oct 30, 2008 1:35 PM:

" by the way SKYN... who do you think settled this country first? It wasn't you're breed. Just because you came and plundered, murdered, and stole; certainly does not make you superior.
Most Americans acknowledge, learn from, and regret the actions of their ancestors. Then there is people like you that never will, you defy evolution. "

naturally wrote on Oct 30, 2008 1:28 PM:

" HA! Skyn... no mixed race HA! your supreme leader Mr. A. Hitler himself was so mixed he was a mutt and inbred, double damny.
What makes you superior to other races? nothing! So you want to stay white, who cares if you 're pigmently challenged. No body's asking you to breed another race, we wouldn't have you.
Learn to get along for crysake! We are who we are. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Oct 30, 2008 12:17 PM:

" skynbird there is one problem with something you brought up...the no race mixing...well for most Americans they are already a mixed race....look into the backgrounds of many and you will find native american, black, german, irish, and many other nationalities that make us all whole...when hate is preached it only brings more hate so for me and my VERY MIXED AMERICAN FAMILY we wont and dont support this! "

countercouple wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:57 AM:

" If you do some research on this group you'll see what types of "white people" were dealing with. These are people who can hardly read. The VAST majority of these "Supreme beings" are obese and don’t look like they hold jobs.

As a very proud white man I would like to remind everyone that these are not the standard holders for my race or people.

These "folks" are sub par, come from sub par families and are political and social anachronisms. Let them have they’re parade so that they can get back to they’re trailers continue being victims. "

nospinzone wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:49 AM:

" you know what your neos are alright skynbrd but you hold back on saying they hate other groups "

nospinzone wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:49 AM:

" hey sknbyrd
nice try , in your attempt to make the neos a loveable , cuddly, group just supporting their own kind . Yes they do support their wasp brothers and sisters , but with that being said , they are a hate group and you can say all you want , but that is true
Any God fearing christian , would be going against their christian principles to ally with this group. God created us all and there is no one group any better or worse than the other "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:21 AM:

" Wow, I am in agreement with you. The public support that the Jeff City mayor gave these illegal aliens was un-American at best, and more likely treasonous and "giving comfort to the enemy".

I consider illegal aliens as "the enemy" because that is what they are--enemy invaders of our country. "

skynbird wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:26 AM:

" Yes, I support the NSM and the march! I will be there supporting their cause. They don't hate...they love their race and want to preserve what is left of it. Religion is NOT a factor with the NSM either. I think you are referring to the KKK on that one. The NSM doesn't believe in race mixing, illegal activities, or homosexuality. I really think you all need to do some research before downing this group....well, if you are white. "

nospinzone wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:06 AM:

" good call cjs , did you read that , boscoe ? "

wow wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:28 AM:

" Bosoe, people who are not legally in this country should be deported. It's the law and if it was enforced more often. I believe the problems we're having right now with Illegal immigration would be greatly reduced. As unpleasant as it was for the family you referred to. It's what needed to be done. If that family wants to come back to the US, they know how to do it legally.

It's your choice, but Skynbird, am I understanding you right? Do you support the NSM?

People, don't forget to vote. Best wishes to all. Be safe. "

cjs wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:26 PM:

" Um, you all do know that nazis (neo or otherwise) aren't just against African Americans and Jews, right? And more non-Jews died in the Holocaust than Jews. These neos hate any race but whites. If you are Mentally or Physically Disabled, Homosexuals, Catholics, Christians, Romas, Jehovah's Witnesses, Social Democrats, Free Masons, Trade Unionists, Poles, or some other "Undesirable" - they hate YOU.

I still think ignoring their little march is the best way to go, but (fortunately) it's a free country so do what you want. "

shinymcshine wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:48 PM:

" you know, that's not a bad idea. Instead of letting them "own" a day, ie., Hitler's birthday, etc, why not create a celebration of the very things he hated on that day.
I'm not sure how it would work out, but I like the idea of not letting these morons hi-jack ANY day for their use. "

nospinzone wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:10 PM:

" last attempt to educate boscoe on why not attending
makes Neo march a failure and less likely to repeat the next year . Boscoe, if no one came to a parade organized for xmas, labor day or homecoming, would the parade be considered a success or
failure ? Get it ? "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:26 PM:

" skynbird wrote:
" I lived in Jefferson City for about 6 years and I found it to be in a state of disarray. The once beautiful neighborhoods are now slums and full of dope. ...NSM will be marching against illegal immigration. They will be putting out the message to all illegals to return to their country and leave our jobs, our families, our homes, our children, and our country alone! I support them! "

Skynbird- I guess you didn't march in the parade a few years ago where Jeff City's mayor rode in a car with an illegal alien and the entire city wept because an illegal alien family was deported for not following the law and not attempting to become legal. "

nospinzone wrote on Oct 28, 2008 11:47 AM:

" thanks for your honesty in admitting to not knowing
the answer to my questions , in last post, at least
that tells me to stop trying to explain why not going
ruins the nazi attempt at attention, like talking to a
mule you are not going to get it no matter , how is explained , wasted day and wasted nights , is
appropriate when trying to explain something to you.
Once you state an opinion no one can change your ming even when they prove you wrong. 90 per cent
of the people on here propose not going, but you
are right in your 10 per cent world "

skynbird wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:06 AM:

" I lived in Jefferson City for about 6 years and I found it to be in a state of disarray. The once beautiful neighborhoods are now slums and full of dope. Is that really what you want for you city, your country, your world? I don't think so! I moved away so that my family would have a chance at life. So my kids wouldn't be subjected to the filth that was in our neighborhood. The NSM will be marching against illegal immigration. They will be putting out the message to all illegals to return to their country and leave our jobs, our families, our homes, our children, and our country alone! I support them! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:24 AM:

" Mac1974 - I really don't want you to go. Because, suprise, they would love to march in front of black, jewish, mexican americans - showing their hatred for them. What good will that do you to have to see that - you are going to be offended and sickened. Do something else that day and celebrate the fact that you are a person with a life to live. Even if you do post whacky sometimes, I don't like the idea of you putting yourself right where they want you. Paying them attention. Hey, stick it to them good, and go buy a white girl a cup of coffee! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:11 AM:

" Love to hit their website, asking to join their hate club. Of course I would have to act like I was a young black woman, raised by loving Jewish adoptive parents, some Chinese and Turkish blood thrown in for good measure. Wonder how that would grab them?
Maybe we should make November 8th Missouri's Jewish Heritage Appreciation Day. Or the enitire month of November. Let them still March, but let the whole dang place be decorated with posters, displays, and symbols - every year.
I hope that they all have car trouble on the way here, screaming diarreah, it rains heavily, and they burn themselves while burning books. "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:43 AM:

" " Boscoe, why did the neos' want to come back to Columbia this year ?
Because they had a big crowd come and some got ugly. just what they wanted had it been poor attendance they wuld have gone elsewhere this year. the Liberals in Columbia realized the errors in their ways and said no this year . Boscoe why do the police suggestnot going ? "

Nospin, I do not know the answers for your questions. You'll have to ask the Nazis and the police. "

rojo wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:29 PM:

" So, it looks like a media event, for sure.

Hopefully, the only ones present will be the Adolph Hitler Marching Band and cops. A waste of two police cars and officers' time. "

nospinzone wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:53 PM:

" Boscoe, why did the neos' want to come back to Columbia this year ?
Because they had a big crowd come and some got ugly. just what they wanted had it been poor attendance they wuld have gone elsewhere this year. the Liberals in Columbia realized the errors in their ways and said no this year . Boscoe why do the police suggestnot going ? "

boscoe wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:24 PM:

" Yes, dogs hang with dogs, but dogs do not know color. Black and white dogs alike hang together without any problems. "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Ousal Dove asked, "What does it mean to be racist."

~~~~~a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race~~~~~

Not one of Mac's beliefs. Racists always believe they are justified, Ousal Dove. Sometimes they even justify their beliefs by saying, "Everyone is a racist in one fashion or another."

Sound familiar? Oh yeah, you said that. "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:03 PM:

" Ousal Dove said, "If it were a gathering of people infected with flew virus, would you then go there and take deep breaths! No of course not, so why breath in their evil."

I think you inhaled something at church and it made you come to the NT boards and incessantly type crazy things. "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:57 PM:

" countercouple said, "Noone is buying your idea that Jeff City is some sort of racist wonderland."

Yeah, you'd be crazy to think that a poor town saturated with religion on the edge of the bible belt in Central Missouri would be a racist place. lol

counter, the only people who don't buy are the people who live here. lol "

Ousal Dove wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Its about jealousy, greediness and then anger. It is their pain and suffering, why do you want to take on their pain and make it yours. If it were a gathering of people infected with flew virus, would you then go there and take deep breaths! No of course not, so why breath in their evil. Let it go, you will feel better when its gone, I promise. When you are free of the world and all its petty differences you will be as joyful as if you were already in heaven. But you must let go of it yourself. "

Ousal Dove wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:26 PM:

" Racism, of course it is about race. Its always about race. Ever man, woman and child who walk the face of the earth is a racist, it’s a matter of how much. If one say they are not racist, not only are they a racist, but a hypocrite also. Bears hang with bears, dogs with dogs, cats with cats, “all separate but equal”. Are they racist also. What does it mean to be racist. You do not understand your own nature, and until you do there will never be peace the races. "

Ousal Dove wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:11 PM:

" Go, or do not go. Your life will be affected by your choises, not mine. By all means do as you will. You are all free to choose between right and wrong, good and evil. I am only a witness. "

Ousal Dove wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:59 PM:

" CJS, Sarcasm was not at all my intent.
Please forgive my arrogance. I am sure other have read "the book" sometimes it takes awhile for people to surrender to the grace of God. Peace, tolerance, love, forgiveness, understanding, compassion. I still have a ways to go myself. "

countercouple wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:24 AM:

" Mac1974,

Noone is buying your idea that Jeff City is some sort of racist wonderland. I know you have to be the perpetual victum to satisfy your black empowerment belife system but calling whites that have a different opinion than you nazi's goes to far.

Instead of pointing your finger at all of us and screaming RACIST! Try and comprhend that your the demographic they want to spur into violence not other whites.

The ten local white people who are actually in this organization are social rejects and culturally backwards.

Your doing nothing but everything these Neo-Nazis want.

Good work smarty! "

cjs wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:28 PM:

" I say let 'em come and let 'em march because they have the same rights as each of us do. If you want to go, go. I won't because it's not worth my time. As for am I a nazi - oh, that's good. I'm gay - one that ol' Hitler would have had in the camps. I think you have the right to post here and you have the right to march and so do I and so do they. Note: It's America we're living in. Last post 'cause this is a no-win situation. People will do what they want. Go. Don't go. It's called freedom. Belongs to all of us. "

boscoe wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:23 PM:

" Even if cjs could convince all the posters here to not attend the rally, there are still hundreds..maybe thousands of black-t-shirt wearin', confederate flag-flyin' tatooed mullet-heads around here who will be there to cheer the skinheads on. "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:57 PM:

" cjs, if Louis Farrakhan showed up with 15 or 20 radical black Muslims, would you be sitting in some church pew hiding? Didn't think so.

cjs, did you know Hitler based all of his decisions on his belief in God and Christianity? Even if his beliefs were skewed, is it a good idea to protest his ideas by going to a church?

cjs, like any radical group, the main objective of the NSM is not to incite violence, but instead recruit. Will you choose to portray Jefferson City as "prime picking grounds" for their newest members? "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:35 PM:

" Are you a Nazi, CJS? If you don't feel as though you should protect the National Socialist Movement, then don't worry about it. Just wake up on that day and go to your church and pray for butterflies, unicorns and rainbows, or whatever it is you intend on doing there. I won't worry about you, and you won't need to worry about me. "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:33 PM:

" I wonder what motivates some of you posters to spend SO much time "protesting" the idea of people protesting the Nazis. Frankly, I don't care if you go or don't go. If you don't feel as though racism is a problem in Jefferson City, you are justified in your decision to stay home, but really, why do you care so much if I go? I am truly starting to question the reservations of some of these posters. What realistic reason could they have for being so adamant about people NOT protesting Nazis? CJS? Why are you going completely out of your way, in fact, just short of begging people to let this go on without any resistance? "

cjs wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:40 PM:

" BTW, Ousal Dove, no need to be sarcastic. You aren't the only one who has read the Book. How 'bout showing a little grace next time? "

cjs wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:39 PM:

" Ousal Dove - yep, you're right. Got to thinking about that after I sent the message.

However, I think we would be better off spending our time praying for those folks, rather than going to their little parade. "

Ousal Dove wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:26 PM:

" to CJS and the rest
Chapter and verse
Mathew 5:43
43:“You have heard that it said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44: "But I say to you, Love your enemies, and bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. "
The truth the way and the light. Please read it sometime. "

cjs wrote on Oct 25, 2008 5:32 PM:

" boscoe - shock of shocks, I agree with you to a point. I think there is a time to ignore, and a time to act. Have you ever seen a kid throwing a temper tantrum at the store? If the parents ignore the kid, it 'steals their thunder' and can take the power away from the kid's actions.

I think this march is a good time to ignore the tantrum.

Want to do something powerful while the nazi's are marching? Go to a church and pray for them, that God will open the eyes of their understanding.

Sometimes life requires that we "get on our knees and fight like a man." "

boscoe wrote on Oct 25, 2008 5:17 PM:

" Ignoring problems and not being proactive to prevent them is what has lead to the nudie bars moving into our neighborhood, meth and crack to be abundant in certain areas of our town, and for thugs and gangsters to terrorize our residents through vandallism and assaults and robberies.

QUIT IGNORING PROBLEMS AND DO SOMETHING. "

boscoe wrote on Oct 25, 2008 5:15 PM:

" Instead of ignoring the nazis and letting them march unobstructed, how about finding a way to passive-aggressivly disrupt their little march? How about law enforcement not protecting these idiots and let the non-nazis have their way with them?

Ignoring and pleading for people to not go watch the march is not a viable solution. We have to actively do something to make sure the nazis clearly understand they are not welcomed here and that they don't need to come back ever again. "

boscoe wrote on Oct 25, 2008 5:13 PM:

" I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I just think that it is pollyanna and unrealistic to think that no one will show up and that if we all ignore the Nazis that they will go away. The people in this town always try to ignore the problems and pretend they do not exist, instead of doing anything to keep the problems out or to prevent them from moving in and setting up shop here. I don't have all the answers as to what we should do, but ignoring the Nazis will not make them go away, and wishing that no one attend the event will not keep the multitude of rednecks, wood hippies, closet KKKers and good-ol-boys away. "

cjs wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Ousal Dove - I think we're to love our neighbor as ourselves, and pray for our enemies. They are not always - although sometimes - one in the same.

Perhaps the problem is that we DO love others in the same ways that we love ourselves...not very well. "

Ousal Dove wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:03 PM:

" It is easy to love ones self. A man once taught us to love our enemy as we love our selves. 2000 years later and you have learned nothing!

Choose. "

nospinzone wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:17 AM:

" so what if the media comes, boscoe if they don't have idiots on the street hollering and cussing them, then they will have failed to get the attention they want , go ahead and go and do exactly what they want you to,why don't you throw money in their hat , too that wil show them . Read the article and most opinions on this event in reference to showing up or not, you will find you are one of a few advocating going "

cjs wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:20 AM:

" This is NOT directed toward any person or post. Just a test for each of us to take.

Hitler and the nazi party was against: any race other than Germans, Mentally or Physically Disabled, Homosexuals, Catholics, Christians, Romas, Jehovah's Witnesses, Social Democrats, Trade Unionists, Poles, and other "Undesirables."

So - who are YOU against? Hitler took lives, he took away the rights of people who were different, who believed differently.

I do not like the neo-nazi movement or that they will march in our city. But it is wrong to stop them - unless we wish to emulate their leader. "

boscoe wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:19 PM:

" You know that every media outlet between KC and StL and beyond will be here to cover the Nazis... "

cjs wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:07 PM:

" Groups who peddle hate THRIVE on attention. The worst thing for the neo-nazi march would be to have nobody show up to 'observe' them Nobody to preach to, yell at, salute, argue with, or shake at fist at. They want a big turn-out -- let's have them march to empty streets, and preach to themselves. I'll bet the march will be VERY short if there is nobody there to watch the show. Think about it. "

cjs wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:33 PM:

" Boscoe - many of us, Rep and Dem alike, would like to see a Nation that is crime free, drug free, divorce free, war free, and "better" - but we won't see those things happen if we continue to attack those who don't believe as we do. I am sure that even our Founding Fathers did not agree on every single thing, nor did they all have the same religious beliefs. That is where tolerance comes in - and being able to work within our communities rather than tear them apart. "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:57 PM:

" ~~~~~I just think we need to take back our country and put in the good Christian values that we used to have.~~~~~

Gag! "

boscoe wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:38 PM:

" I just think we need to take back our country and put in the good Christian values that we used to have. Now all the political correctness seems to require that Christian people are supposed to feel guilty for who they are. "

cjs wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:55 PM:

" Dear uncle boscoe, I learn so much from your posts! You said that "the only people who LIKE the direction of where our country is headed are liberals, illegal aliens, gays, and professional welfare recipients. posts!" Gee-golly! These folks sure as heck shouldn't have any rights no matter what the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution say! I'm so glad you are there for me, to shine your dull light of understanding, so that I know what is right and what is wrong! "

lurker wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Thanks to justwriting, cjs, hasher28 for your temperance; you help to balance the ranting of those on this board who are relentlessly engaged in political bigotry and a fist pounding need to spout one sided ideology "

rojo wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:37 PM:

" Identify the participants. Who they are. Where they live. Who employs them.

Publicity works both ways. I have no qualms about contacting employers to inform them our family does no business with people who employ Nazis, child molestors, or other freaks.

Bubbling tar and a couple of pillows would be a fitting end to this affair. "

justwriting wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:29 AM:

" I want to clarify my first paragraph...

I don't believe the founding fathers were zealots. However, I believe they were very christian and based the Constitution on Judeo-Christian beliefs. I believe they tempered their religious beliefs fairly well considering they were building a new country. Keep in mind that it was also written based on the morals and norms of the day.

I meant that it is scary to think how different this country could have been if the zealousness leaked through. "

justwriting wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:19 AM:

" castigliano stated that the Nazis believed/belief that they are on the side of God, and JCpatriot states that the founding fathers wrote the Constitution as God frearing individuals. Both I believe to be true. This just shows how scary it is when God is invoked in a zealous manner by anyone or any group.

For the record, I am Catholic, conservative, and don't fear God, I embrace him. And for those who fear God's wrath...let God judge the Nazis when their time comes.

Think how this march really effect me? If it doesn't effect you, then chances are it isn't going to effect 99% of the people around. unfortunately 1% are whacos, and they won't change. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:23 AM:

" Hats off to the local teachers who are using this time to teach their students about the horrors of the holocaust. The horrible things the Nazi's did will be fresh on their mind when these nuts arrive to have their parade.

I intend to stay home, re-read Anne Frank and eat a plate full of latkes. "

castigliano wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:59 AM:

" NSWPP (national socialist white peoples party) has been recruiting for as long as I can remember.

As a kid I would call their phone number and listen to their canned rant, it would go on for 3-5 minutes. Expressing their views of hatred towards minorities and homosexuals. Extolling their superiority and god given right to rule the aryan world.

As a kid i knew they were silly gooses, i still feel the same way. Freedom of speech is important, so you know where people are coming from.

Let them march.

Freedom of speech just about killed the klan. "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:47 AM:

" It seems like the only people who LIKE the direction of where our country is headed are liberals, illegal aliens, gays, and professional welfare recipients. "

JCpatriot wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:45 AM:

" Justwriting,
I see your point, but our forefathers wrote 1st. Amendment base on Freedom of speech and right to assemble as God fearing Christians with veiwpoints of Free Individuals not as extrememist?

Extrememist are not god fearing & raise there children to hate certain Races to induce Genicide ,murdering etc. whether there Nazi's,Islamic, extrememist, or terrorist.

They are wrong i agree with most comments prior to yours . Now if the Nazi's talk only about German Heritage that would be a different story...

1st Amend. needs to be modified to prevent extrememist groups trying to ruin or ancrhized our Nation.... "

justwriting wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:11 AM:

" When an individual or group of people take a basic right away from another person or group, you endanger the rights of all people.

It is a slippery slope. When one right gets taken away, it isn't too big a step to take the next right away, and the next, and so on, so forth.

Take the online forum away, next the blogs, next local news sites, next the government is blocking access to sites it deems "harmful to society" (China). Sounds simplistic? Many small steps turn into a significant distance traveled. "

justwriting wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:05 AM:

" This discussion has actually turned funny to me! A shame it is, but it has turned that way to me.

We have gone from a discussion on what to do with this situation to an argument on gay rights and a christian. To you two bickering...tolerance goes both ways...tolerance for one's lifestyle, and tolerance for opne's opinion. But I guess tolerance is boring to read in a discussion forum?

As for the NSM...I hate the thought of these guys & gals goose-stepping around our streets. BUT, if we take away this group's right to demonstrate, what right would you give in return? Would you give up a fight for gay marriage rights? Freedom of religion?

continued "

bankbaby wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:13 AM:

" We should all organize and block this parade. It would not be illegal if people suddenly passed out while say, crossing the street!!! They could therefore not finish their hate parade. How could they arrest anyone for obstruction if they passed out!?
These ignorant fools need to be stopped, not ignored! Hitler was ignored for too long. It is time the people of this country stand up for what is right and just. "

cjs wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:49 AM:

" Golly-gee, Boscoe, how far back should we go? Back before women could vote? Back when there were slaves? Back when a man's house was his castle? Back when black folks drank from different fountains? How far back should we go, Uncle Boscoe, until we get to when YOU think things were good and right?

Equal rights are worth fighting for, and that means equal for ALL. Doesn't matter if we agree or not, we ALL have the right to freedom of speech and to pursue happiness.

Let these people march on empty streets. Spend your time in church, praying for them. "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:24 PM:

" We need to return our country back to the good Christian values it was founded upon.

Some things are worth fighting for. If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. "

mo ky fellow wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:15 PM:

" Now we have a young man speaking this word. The thought our people do as the Germans and Cubans did and elect a young man who they really do not know much about makes chills run up and down my spine. If Obama should win we need to watch things very closely. We today need to keep a very close eye on groups like the one in this article. Personelly I would prefer them to be out in the open and not underground. "

mo ky fellow wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:08 PM:

" This country must remember that back in the 1930's there was a young fellow who appeared on the scene. He was quite glib in his speeches about his country. He spoke of CHANGE. People loved him and followed him as he attempted to lead to global domination. He talked big until the US hammered HITLER into his German soil........Then back in the 1950's another young man appeared on the scene. He also spoke of CHANGE for his country and the people followed him. He recently turned his socialist government over to his brother. Yes, we still have a CASTRO in Cuba. And now in our country we are hearing that same word; CHANGE. (continued) "

floyd wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:04 PM:

" I agree that it's best just to ignore these morons, but wouldn't it be priceless to see the streets lined with citizens doing nothing but pointing and laughing en mass at these jokers? Maybe a "Kick Me" sign on the backs of the guys in the rear... "

Parrothead911 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:46 PM:

" Though I agree that these dimwits deserve no attention at all, I believe ignoring them is not the right thing. In the 1940's nobody in Europe paid attention to what started off as a small group Eurodimwits, and everyone knows what they grew into.

To put it another way, if (insert sports team you most despise) mounted a strong offense against (your favorite team of trhe same sport), you'd expect a defense to be waged. Not the best analogy in the world, but hopefully makes a point. "

DiCaliMO wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:11 PM:

" Truly folks, the best thing to do is NOT give them the attention/publicity that they're after. Some years ago, the KKK held a 'rally' at the Moniteau County courthouse. They looked ridiculous on the evening news with no onlookers there to read their pathetic little signs.
Funny....they haven't been back and haven't heard any more about them. "

cjs wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:11 PM:

" ** correction **
got all that written "

cjs wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:10 PM:

" Gosharoo, boscoe , you're right! Tolerance is evil - it's much better to be like the NSM and demand that everyone believe the same thing and it's okay to exclude someone because they are "different" from you.

Thanks so much for this opening our eyes to this "truth" of yours! Some of us thought things like divorce was what is ruining our families, and that drugs, crime, ignorance, hate, and things like that are what is ruining our nation. But now we know better.

Wow. I almost got all the written without gagging. "

mrh wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:02 PM:

" The biggest insult we can pay the NSM is to totally ignore them. Does anyone understand just how much publicity they are receiving from having everyone complain about them? Come on people; let’s turn this into a non-event by ignoring them and asking the newspaper to put them on page 5. Don’t protest; just go on about your business as though they are not even there. "

boscoe wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:13 PM:

" It is a shame when we can no longer stand up for what is good and right in our country, and now we have to allow whatever trash group wants a forum to have one.

Political correctness and "tolerance" has nearly destroyed our country. Thanks a bunch, Liberals. If Obama Hussein gets elected, you can expect total handover of our country to these goofs. Obama won't even place his hand on his heart, nor will he say the Pledge of Allegiance.

Remember when it was OK, even REQUIRED to say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in every classroom of every school??? "

cjs wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:07 PM:

" two_cents_worth wrote: " To give another group the right to take away your rights doesn't make much sense to me."

Does that mean that you are okay with gay marraige? Because we are fighting for the SAME right straight couples have, and don't want anyone to take that right away from us. "

wow wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:13 PM:

" I understand the reason for the article, but why the picture of their flag, especially on the front page? Then again the more people who know what this "Hate Symbol" looks like, perhaps the more people that will speak out against what it and the NSM stand for. I certainly hope so.

Remember Nov 8 is the day the NSM is scheduled to march, in JC but ya better understand this! The are NSM member's as well as member's of other hate groups already lurking in our community.

Stay safe "

justwriting wrote on Oct 23, 2008 4:04 PM:

" In 1989, when flag-burning was before the Supreme Court, I was in Little Rock when an activist "Say" Macintosh announced he would burn a flag in front of the Arkansas capitol. The crowds showed up, it was near all-out riot.

Afterwards, he stated that this was the most publicity he ever got, and thanked the anti-flag burning people for showing up.

Instead of confronting the weasels, everyone should contact the local (JC and Columbia) media expressing that they wish not to see any coverage of this in any way. If enough people do this, and they feel that it would be bad for business, maybe they won't give them any un-due attention. "

justwriting wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:58 PM:

" I think we have someone stuck in a neverending logic-loop.

How can one argue against a group's right (a terrible, misguided, and brainwashed one at that) to protest, with a permit, and urge others to action under that same right, without a permis? At least at this point, they are following the law.

These people crave attention, thrive on it, and are betting on it. If this turns into a brawl (physically or verbally) it shows up on the news, and on the internet and is used by the punks as a "call to action" for others who already feel the way they do or may be swayed with brainwashing. "

two_cents_worth wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:15 PM:

" To give another group the right to take away your rights doesn't make much sense to me. I'll bet it wouldn't make much sense to our solders who fought this puke either. Or the holocaust survivors. Especially when this trash wants to take away basic human rights.

Our city leaders really rolled over in fear over this. Not much leadership if you ask me. "

AMAZED wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:56 PM:

" Joe Biden will be returning to Jefferson City to give a speech in honor of NSM event. "

Parrothead911 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:03 PM:

" Our fathers, grandfathers, etc. died essentially for the rights we have today which includes the freedom of speech, even to clueless hatemongers who may or not be making up for certain inadaquecies in their lives that make them so bitter.

As a taxpayer, though, I am not sure I wish to pay for the law enforcement expenses for this event. Would a group such as, say, the International Society of Birthday Clowns (if such a group exxists!) merit the same level of security? Probably not. Give them the minimal response for such a gathering (whatever that response is) and nothing more. "

cjs wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:24 PM:

" Every person has rights, regardless if we agree with what they do with those rights. This group - hateful though it is - has the right to march.

I hope we have the intelligence to not show up! Let them march on an empty street. You can't recruit people if none show up.

Let them have their march and go away. Don't encourage them. Marching on empty streets sends a very loud - and obvious - message. "

hasher28 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:34 PM:

" two_cents, so when you favorite group wants a parade and someone disagrres with you then iIpresume you'd halt the parade. I'm a disabled veteran and while disagreeing with this group I fully support their right to have their parade and rally. "

two_cents_worth wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:33 PM:

" If we don't, They will feel welcome here and return again and again.

Our city leaders have already done much damage by granting a permit to this illegal group, making them feel welcome. I wonder if they would also grant a permit to Al-Quida if they asked?
Not the same thing? Let's ask a few million Jews if it's not. Oh yeah, we can't. THEY KILLED THEM!!

Thousands of solders died fighting this very same trash. what a disgrace to allow this group to march here.

Stop it NOW!! See you uptown. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:24 PM:

" two_cents I can agree with where you are coming from the problem is what we fought for gave them the right as well to freedom of speech and by law they have the right to this march...I say the best way we can show them we dont want them there is to not go and do nothing...or go and turn our backs as they walk by in a show of silent protest. "

two_cents_worth wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:21 PM:

" Freedom is never free and the surest way to lose our revered and precious way of life is to do nothing.
This group wants to recruit people and grow their ranks. And I can promise you, They WILL recruit people from this rally if it's allowed to take place. This trash, by the way, has chapters in 38 STATES!! How much larger do we allow them to grow! They are currently growing 5-10 percent per year.
We should stop them here and now and show them we will not allow them to come here. "

two_cents_worth wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:09 PM:

" There was a reason we went to war with this trash, and that reason is still valid. They want to end the freedoms we have fought and died for.
Our city government has failed us, the citizens of Jefferson City by granting a permit allowing this rally to take place. They have placed us in harms way, by allowing this very dangerous situation to take place. Everyone involved in granting this permit should be removed from their duties.
We should now, as responsible citizens, take action to prevent this rally, since our leaders won't. "

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