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'Joe the Plumber' says he has no plumbing license

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., left, and Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., trade responses Wednesday night during a presidential debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y. (Associated Press photo)

By JOHN SEEWER
Associated Press Writer

Discuss below: Which candidate will help Joe more?

Published: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
HOLLAND, Ohio - Joe the Plumber said Thursday he doesn't have a license and doesn't need one.

Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname Republican John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday's presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn't need a license, he said.

But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.

Wurzelbacher, who voted in the Republican primary and indicated he backed McCain, was cited by the GOP presidential candidate as an example of someone who wants to buy a plumbing business but would be hurt by Democrat Barack Obama's tax plans. Wurzelbacher said he was surprised that his name was mentioned so many other times.

“That bothered me. I wished that they had talked more about issues that are important to Americans,” he told reporters gathered outside his home.

Wurzelbacher, 34, said he doesn't have a good plan put together on how he would buy Newell Plumbing and Heating in nearby Toledo.


He said the business consists of owner Al Newell and him. Wurzelbacher said he's worked there for six years and that the two have talked about his taking it over at some point.

“There's a lot I've got to learn,” he said.

Wurzelbacher said he started his day with an early morning workout and came back to his suburban Toledo home to do live interviews with TV networks.

Reporters camped out by his house overnight and by midmorning there were 21 people on his driveway surrounding him, holding cameras and notebooks.

Wurzelbacher said he's feeling overwhelmed.

“I'm kind of like Britney Spears having a headache. Everybody wants to know about it,” he joked.

In Toledo on Sunday, Wurzelbacher told Obama that he was preparing to buy the plumbing company, which earns more than $250,000 a year, and said: “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?”

Obama said that under his proposal taxes on any revenue from $250,000 on down would stay the same, but that amounts above that level would be subject to a 39 percent tax, instead of the current 36 percent rate.

Wurzelbacher said Obama's tax plan wouldn't affect him right now, because he doesn't make $250,000. “But I hope someday I'll make that,” he said.

“If you believed (Obama), I'd be receiving his tax cuts,” Wurzelbacher said. “But I don't look at it that way. He'd still be hurting others.”

As he leaned against the Dodge Durango SUV parked in his driveway Thursday morning, Wurzelbacher indicated to reporters who crowded around that he was a conservative, a fan of the military and McCain. He said meeting McCain would be an honor but said he hadn't been contacted by the Republican campaign.

Still, the plumber wouldn't say who he was voting for and brushed off a question about whether he could influence the election or other voters.

“I don't have a lot of pull. It's not like I'm Matt Damon,” Wurzelbacher said.

“I just hope I'm not making too much of a fool of myself,” he added.

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msindependent wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:30 AM:

" Yeah Risker, we wouldn't want a reformist govenor who slapped the ears back of her own party, and is doing such a lousy job that only 80% of Alaskans think she doing good. We'd rather have an unproven first term senator with questionable associations who's in the pocket of special interests. Lets seee.....reformer......special interest.....inexperience......never lead anything.....hhmmm, not a tough choice after all. The safe bet is on McCain, protect our country, keep washington out of our wallets. "

boscoe wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:35 PM:

" Mariab, I cannot answer your question about republicans and their veiws on abortion. I disagree with the things you said that they want to do. Republicans would do a whole lot better if they would just get off their little hangups about not letting women make their own decisions about their bodies. They also need to back off gays.

I disagree with both parties these days. However, I will take public service proven McCaine who puts country berfore himself over Obama,whose closet is full of terroriists, Anti-christian racism, and liberal wealth redistribution policies. Palen is an excellent choice as a VP with her experience as a reformer and taking on her own party instead of bidens-washington-same-ol-same-ol-years. "

TheRickster wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Point; Joe isn't making 250,000.00 He works for Roto-Rooter. He owes back taxes now, so why would he pay anymore now.
You all scream Socialist, but you all want help when it is your turn to need it. You expect Obama to go door to door and have an exact answer on the top of his head. Much bigger fish to worry about. You can pick McCain after him selecting Palin for Vice? There are too many better qualified people; like Condelesa Rice. McCain is one heart attack from her running the country? No thanks. "

mariab wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:25 PM:

" Boscoe, you said: ' Ignorant people should not be signing papers that they don't understand. They should hire a lawyer. What they DON'T NEED is the government to hold their hands and get involved. ... Try having a little respect and faith in people, instead of treating them like idiots and getting the government to do everything for them. ...'

Then why is it that Republicans (and some Dems) want to force women to wait 24 hours to make a decision about abortion? Force women to watch a video about fetuses? And wrap it all up in a desire to 'protect' women? As if they were idiots. "

formerres wrote on Oct 23, 2008 4:16 PM:

" I sure thought that anyone can own a plumbing business with or without a license, that is, if they have the money to start one up. In order to do plumbing work alone, one does need a license. Joe has to do plumbing work alongside a licensed plumber, can't go alone. "

naturally wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:47 PM:

" None of this would have been an issue if Obama could have answered the question with anything that America wants to hear. Since he could not he is attempting to divert the attention to discrediting Joe personally, its not about Joe its about the question. "

naturally wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:45 PM:

" rickster - not that its any of your business as MsI pointed out. You obviously didn't listen to Jo's explanation of the tax bill, and he is paying it. Furthermore he has worked more than the required hours for 15 years as a plumber. The license is needed for his purchase of the business and he is working with his employer to get it. It is not required to be a plumber. "

msindependent wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:12 AM:

" Attacking a private citizen, who is not running for office is shameful, disgusting, and politics at it's worst.

Please don't stop, McCain is getting lots of votes over the distruction of a simple hardworking plumber and single parent who asked a good question.

Joe the plumbers only crime, Obama blew the answer and revealed his true socialist agenda.

Disgusting. "

msindependent wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:08 AM:

" Rickster....McCain had Obama walk by this guys house so Joe could ask a legitimate question?

All in hopes that Obama would blow the answer and slip in the poles?

I'm voting for McCain, anyone who can pull that off can run a country. BWhahahahaha!!!! "

TheRickster wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:10 AM:

" This was just a ploy for McCain to bring a "regular guy" to face Obama to put a face on the Main St. people to relate to. Joe opened his pie hole with the candidates so he is free game. Overstating you occupation happens to many, but he had no way of knowing he would be front and center.They didn't go to his position the media did. Owes $1500.00 fed. taxes, not a real plumber, he got his stimulas check and should have been applied to his back taxes. We all are accountable. "

msindependent wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:28 PM:

" I wouldn't bail out either Doug, let the market correct on it's own. With that I would expect a complete investigation of both as well as other failed lenders, including politicians that ran interference for the abuse. Let the chips fall where they may, and let the cells slam shut and any assets be siezed. "

douglas12 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:04 AM:

" Nobody is arguing that many people took loans they never should have. We feel sorry for these people or we don't. However we can't blame having to bail out the banks on the people, the banks took a risk on risky loans, why do the banks deserved to be bailed out anymore than the people? "

msindependent wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:40 PM:

" douglas12 wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:40 PM:

" Okay let me try this. If you buy a stock and it plummets is that the companies fault or yours?"

Uh, Doug, any investiment implies risk. If I did my research and found a company that has a strong balance sheet, I did all that I could to avoid a stock plummet (still could happen, you take your chances). If the executive officers fudged the books and their figures caused us to invest and lose money, then they should be investigated and imprisoned. So there can be fault on my part (poor research), fault on the executives (lied), or no fault (bad luck). "

ODF wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:14 PM:

" Boscoe - What is sad is that people are eager to have the govt. protect them from everything...that way they don't have to accept responsibility for any of their actions. They can blame someone/something else. "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:56 PM:

" Ignorant people should not be signing papers that they don't understand. They should hire a lawyer.

What they DON'T NEED is the government to hold their hands and get involved. Democrats want to make everyone dependent on the government for everything. Try having a little respect and faith in people, instead of treating them like idiots and getting the government to do everything for them.

Actions have consequences, and if people are signing papers they do not understand, then they should lose their houses when the mortgage rates increase.

I hate how democrats try to victimized everyone. "

ODF wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:41 PM:

" It's also called "personal responsibility"....knowing what you are buying as well as the terms of payment.

Predatory lending does exist....and was created (or at least helped along) by Clinton and dems and their forced lending laws so everyone can have the American dream regardless of whether they want to work for it and pay for it. "

ODF wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:39 PM:

" It's called buying and living within your means, not buying the absolute biggest/best that you can just barely scrape up and afford right now. "

ODF wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:38 PM:

" I believe you are mostly correctly douglas....however, I don't care how unscrupulous the actions of the lenders, that does not absolve the borrowers of fault. I don't care if it took me 2 weeks to read the contract...you better KNOW exactly what you are signing or you don't sign it, period. This is another example of the "it's always someone else's fault/responsibility" syndrome.
I purchased a house within my means. One w set APR that I knew I could afford on my current salary (or even less), I escrowed taxes & insurance and have about one year left of maintaining PMI. "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 18, 2008 4:24 PM:

" Boscoe said, "Predatory lending is just a liberal joke."

Predatory lending is widely acknowledged by people on both sides of the isle, Boscoe. The fact that the entire gamut of your knowledge is derived from FAUX news is no excuse for that ignorant statement. Is it fair for someone with less education than the average citizen to get a home equity loan for home improvements? Sure it is! Sometimes it's financially beneficial. But when the appraiser comes out to tell that person what the value of their home is and purposely inflates it by 30 or 40%, that isn't fair. That's predatory lending and that has nothing to do with liberalism. "

douglas12 wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:43 PM:

" Boscoe, if you think predatory lending is a joke, you are very uninformed. Have seen these brokers and fought with them for the last few years preventing buyers from being taken advantage of. Now not always was it even the Banks fault, it was these fly by night mortgage brokers flat lying about these peoples abilities, ''no regulation like bankers'', and then they sold them to lenders that were getting loans that were bound to fail. "

douglas12 wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:40 PM:

" Okay let me try this. If you buy a stock and it plummets is that the companies fault or yours? These banks made bad investments with the loans they were given. And if I have to pay to bail out the banks, danged if it isn't their investments that are hurting us. When I have to start paying individuals mortgage, then we can jump on them. "

boscoe wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:19 PM:

" Sorry. BUYER BEWARE.

I blame the stupid people who took out loans they could not afford.

Predatory lending is just a liberal joke. "

msindependent wrote on Oct 17, 2008 6:10 PM:

" Doug, people know what they want to know. I've purchased 1 home in my life. I watched the interest rates, knew fixed would be better for my budget, saved 20% to avoid morgage insurance costs, refinaced when rates adjusted and made it worth my while to either reduce my loan or years left on it. Ignorance, or laziness is no excuse for losing your home, or frigging up the biggest purchase in your life. And now I wait, I'm buying rental property, and all these morons will stuff my, no doubt growing rental properties in the future thanks to the left, the greedy and the ignorant. Slow and steady wins the race :>) "

Byron W. wrote on Oct 17, 2008 5:58 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote "I think both candidates are way out of line on this one. I'm offended by their efforts to distract the public-from-real-issues-with-this-nonsense. "

It isn't nonsense. What is nonsense is whatyou call "real issues." "

douglas12 wrote on Oct 17, 2008 4:40 PM:

" Now these people are stuck with the fact that the arm is gone and the rate just jumped from 7% to 12% then they get a little note that it will jump to 15% in 3 months. Average house in Jeff City area is $124,000, That would be like going from a $900 motgage to a around a $1,500 mortgage. And let me tell you these situations happen a lot around here. "

douglas12 wrote on Oct 17, 2008 4:36 PM:

" The Brokers dipised realtors more than anything on account when the buyer was represented by a realtor, the realtors for the most part made sure that they were very aware of what type of loan these people were getting and what the fees were. Many people thought okay I will go ahead get this 2 yr arm with no PMI and then I will just refinance after the two years. Well two years go by and even people that have kept there credit fine and done everything they were suppose to can't on account they don't make anymore money and when you escrow the PMI, Taxes, Insurance in they don't qualify for the loan. "

douglas12 wrote on Oct 17, 2008 4:31 PM:

" Nobody reads their loan papers before they get a loan for a home, I work in this field and nobody does, first it would take them two full days and second they would not understand it all when they did. Now most bankers are very up front and fully disclose the types of loans and explanations of such loans honestly. Now the boom with these Mortgage brokers was a different story, the were not regulated as the banks and made all their money based upon how much they could squeeze and roll into the loans of these people with making sure these people never knew that it was just BS money going into their pocket. "

douglas12 wrote on Oct 17, 2008 4:27 PM:

" Boscoe, your right people are always responsibile for choices the have made and have to live with the consequences. Now that does not mean the Banks did nothing wrong, the banks made bad investments in allowing people they knew couldn't afford the loans and some people that should not have got the loans. Now there was also predatory lending that contributed. now my question to you is this. We have Gov. regulations on much to prevent people from being taken advantage of, why should not the banks be held accountable as much as any conartist would? "

msindependent wrote on Oct 17, 2008 3:09 PM:

" A conversation:

Michelle Obama "I'll have the caviar, no make that the IRAINIAN caviar, grilled lobster, and lobster toast tips and your best Champagne."

Later that evening

...a DNC campaign advisor. "Michelle, I've told you it's hamburgers, fries, apple pie, coffee, beer, and any local favorite like chessesteak in Philly"

advisor " what were you too full to order the crepe susettte?"

I think everyone that typically runs in and out of these posts could care less, but Joe six pack hears this and your gonna lose votes.

Arrogance, over confidence, or just stupididty you gotta love it!!! lmao

BWahahahahahahaha!!!! "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:32 PM:

" The people who are losing their homes are the ones who shouldn't have bought more than they can afford in the first place. I do not feel sorry for them one bit.

As for affording gasoline, I guess they may have to cut back on the jewelry, cell phones, eating out, expensive tennis shoes, etc. "

msindependent wrote on Oct 17, 2008 1:42 PM:

" BREAKING NEWS!!!

Democrats discover Joe the plumber's a fraud, real first name is Steve, middle name is Joe.

LMAOROTF

Can you feel it? "

ODF wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:10 AM:

" Mac's - Is Biden lying about the death of his first wife by a drunk driver (who was not) typical of the type of person you want as your VP?

Biden slandered that truck driver and why his family has not sued is beyond me. "

ODF wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:08 AM:

" Saw clips on the news this morning...Obama is already taking cheap shots at the guy. Let's see, Biden lies about his first wife's death and accuses an innocent truck driver of being drunk and that's okay. But let Joe Plumber ask a question at a meeting w/ Obama and now the dems ridicule him. Interesting. "

msindependent wrote on Oct 17, 2008 6:15 AM:

" What the left dosn't get is it's the philosiphy behind the tax increase exposed that is what has the polls surching McCain, while their destroying Joe, they will lose the election. "

msindependent wrote on Oct 17, 2008 6:11 AM:

" Joe the plumber may go down as the biggest mistake in political history. Now watch the left, and the DNC try to destroy him. They'll dance, because if it's obvious it will hurt them more, but Joe has got to go will now be their montra, digging in his past right now. Where about to see what NEGATIVE is all about. "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:24 PM:

" Is Joe the plumber's story a good example of the kinds of problems most Americans are facing right now? Are any of us really concerned about this guy being able to buy a business when people are losing their jobs, unable to afford gasoline, losing their 401k's in the market, and losing their homes?

Furthermore, if you have a decent memory, how does it sound to you when the man who doesn't even know how many homes he owns is the same man who is trying to create empathy for Joe (who only makes $40,000/year in real life)?

I think both candidates are way out of line on this one. I'm offended by their efforts to distract the public-from-real-issues-with-this-nonsense. "

douglas12 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:04 PM:

" say it ain't so joe! "


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