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Sex offenders sue over Halloween restrictions

Published: Thursday, October 9, 2008 7:52 AM CDT
ST. LOUIS (AP) - Four sex offenders in Missouri are suing over a new state law that places Halloween night restrictions on them.

The law requires that sex offenders avoid all Halloween-related contact with children, remain inside their homes and post a sign saying they have no candy to keep trick-or-treaters away.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Wednesday that the ACLU of Eastern Missouri filed suit on the offenders' behalf in federal court on Friday. The suit claims the provisions are too vague to enforce and improperly add punishment to sentences already served. The plaintiffs' names are not used in the suit.

The Halloween provisions, part of a broader bill signed into law this summer, say convicted sex offenders must avoid all Halloween-related contact with children by staying inside their homes from 5 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. “unless there is just cause to leave,” like a need to go to a job or an emergency.

They also must keep their outside residential lights turned off on Halloween night, and post a sign that says “no candy or treats at this residence.” A violation is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail.

The ACLU legal director, Tony Rothert, said offenders don't know if they're able to dress their own children or grandchildren in their Halloween costumes, wondering if that could be considered Halloween-related contact.


Another concern is that when sex offenders post signs about not having candy, they could become targets themselves. “There's already pranks on Halloween,” Rothert said. “If someone wants to harass you and cause you problems that night, you can't even turn your lights on.”

The Halloween provisions were inserted at the request of Sen. Brad Lager, R-Maryville, in a bill tightening restrictions on sex offenders. Lager said Tuesday that a constituent suggested it.

Sen. John Loudon, R-Chesterfield, sponsored the bill, and said following the law is simple. “If they have children or grandchildren, then the one spouse takes them out, or you go to a party, or you go to something neutral. But we don't want predators opening their homes on Halloween.”

He said Missouri previously hadn't had a law preventing a “brazen predator” from handing out candy to children on Halloween.

“I think life goes on without Halloween in your own home,” he said. “There are lots of other opportunities for people. I think it's kind of silly that people are raising the constitutional right of people to hand out candy on Halloween.”

A spokesman for Attorney General Jay Nixon vowed to defend the law. Gov. Matt Blunt's spokeswoman, Jessica Robinson, said, “We're not surprised that they're now suing the governor to make it easier to victimize children.”



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JCpatriot wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:05 PM:

" The parents need to do a countersuit of victimized children of the sex offender suing. What about these childrens rights that were already violated? "

AMAZED wrote on Oct 17, 2008 3:26 PM:

" Oh and before I get dogpiled...I am not inferring that any sexual offense is anything less than "violent" at least in the victim's mind, so please, don't even try to imply I meant something different. :) "

So if this statement is to be belived as not something different, a violent sexual offense only occurrs in a victims mind, it doesn't actually happen. ACLU reasoning at its agenda driven best. "

Verbal wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:00 PM:

" It is ignorant to think that pedophiles should not have "on-going" punishment after the judicially-imposed punishment is over. If that is your way of thinking then I guess you'd like to let felons have the right to own a gun as long as they have already served their time. Although, I do think the law should be revised to give mandatory life sentances(or the death penalty) to pedophiles and rapists. "

NBEB wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:47 AM:

" apostacy, how in the world can you compare molesting a child to lying, cheating, or stealing? Put yourself in the child’s shoes! That is a big cross to bear for the rest of that child’s life. Do you think they are all pedophiles are “Cured” after time served? What if they are not? You don’t know what will trip their trigger! I can’t believe anyone would side with pedophiles! I hope they all rot in hell. How can anyone look at a 2 or 3 year old and think they are sexy? That is beyond sick! "

mommyof2 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:22 PM:

" Shiny, very well stated! "

shinymcshine wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:45 PM:

" If you've never looked at the train wreck we refer to the Sexual Assault statutes, you should. Its as confusing as any statute out there. Multiple "formulas" as to what to charge based on the age of both parties. I think we all have a pretty good idea of the classic sex offender, but the statutes throw lots of others in the same catagory, and with the system giving offenders a lifetime brand as a sexual predator regardless of what level of offense they had, its pretty unfair.
True sexual offenders need to take a hard hit, but not all offenders fall in that catagory. "

naturally wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Why can't the laws be descretionary? Why cant we have a seperate charge and conviction that is specific to pedophiles? I don't want to confuse them with the promiscuous teenager. I do want to know who and where they are though and that is not to inflict additional punishment but to be aware and informed.
Frankly I still believe they should have a noticable alteration to their physique and a scarlet letter of sort. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:35 AM:

" The state of Maryland is mailing out paper pumpkin signs that read "No candy at this residence" to violent and child sex-offenders. Offenders have to put them on their front door. Here is the link to that article: wbaltv.com/news/17721033/detail.html "

mommyof2 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Mac, one that comes to mind for me is urinating in public.... Yes, it's grose, but as a daughter and grandaughter of a farming family and being involved in trail riding, it was nothing for people I was around to pee outside. I never thought twice about it, and still don't, but that is a prime example of someone having to be on the registery. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:20 PM:

" My kids need to be worried about doing their homework, cleaning their room (please), and enjoying their childhood. They should not have to run to the door when a stranger walks down the street or a car slows down in front of the house. But they do. My daughter was spied on thru the window my a prowler - while I was driving home. We have a large dog who went nuts trying to get to this creep - and my daughter was traumatized, scared to death, locked in the bathroom talking to 911. I was freaking out trying to get home to my child. If I could have wrapped my hands around his neck... "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:02 PM:

" Mac1974 - No, it's not movies that I watch - I'm stuck with Disney & Nick. What I watch and listen to is the news... I brought my kids into the world and it's my responsbility to make sure they are safe. If some sick pervert (possibly even apostacy, himself) hurt my children - then I am not waiting for the rapture - I am going to try and inflict hurt upon that person.
And I don't want to hear some pervert hiding behind "I know a man" trying to convince me not to judge him.
Touch my kids and you can judging will be the last of his worries. "

JCpatriot wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:22 PM:

" these child sex offenders are really sick!
They just want to look at your kids, I'm sure they bought the candy way too early... sicko's "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:18 PM:

" What kind of "innocent" crime would constitute one's name being added to the registry?

Okay, maybe innocent is the wrong word, but you know what I mean. "

Mac1974 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:16 PM:

" ~~~~~Oh, and by the way, your friend better stay far away from my little ones. Otherwise, it's hunting season - and I wouldn't hesitate to blow your friend right onto the doorstep of hell. "~~~~~~

You watch too many movies lumps. "

mommyof2 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:59 PM:

" ODF, chill man, I agree with that you are saying. Petty stuff having the same penalty as the hard stuff... just giving you a little history. We can thank our legislators for the latest laws.... "

ODF wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:53 PM:

" Oh and before I get dogpiled...I am not inferring that any sexual offense is anything less than "violent" at least in the victim's mind, so please, don't even try to imply I meant something different. :) "

ODF wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:49 PM:

" mommy - I have no issue with the registry and use of it...at least the original intent/use. My point is, every time we turn around they've changed the law to require this or that offense to require registration. I believe the original intent to be to register and track those VIOLENT and CHILD sexual offenders. "

mommyof2 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:19 PM:

" ODF, I agree w/ you regarding how all sex offenders are lumped together for the "good cause" but you have to realize that the feds dropped this on the local law enforcement to do and MSHP to track or loose 10% of their BYRNE grant.. which you and I know could add up to millions and millions for the state. MSHP has come a long way in the past 5 years from posting a list to the mapping capability. It takes our legislators to say what is and isn't a sex offense and break it down better. Good luck with that! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:40 PM:

" Oh, and yes, of course. I am perfectly fine with stoning rapists and child molesters to death. Stone them, shoot them, execute them, whatever.

Child molesters should have NO rights.

Children should have the rights. The right not to be physically or emotionally harmed. The right to live, learn, and play safely. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:30 PM:

" apostacy - you can wait for the rapture, along with your sexual offending friend. Good luck with that. You should read a different translation - Paul wasn't a child molester.

Oh, and by the way, your friend better stay far away from my little ones. Otherwise, it's hunting season - and I wouldn't hesitate to blow your friend right onto the doorstep of hell. "

shinymcshine wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:19 AM:

" exactly, hmarie.
The problem with the laws is they paint everyone the same if you're convicted of a sex crime. The pedophile that rapes a child is light years different than the 17 year old with his 16 year old girl friend. How many "regular folks" could have been labled a sex offender on that one?
I agree ODF. If you want to lock 'em up and throw away the key, I'm good with that, but change the law and do it. "

hmarie775 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:05 AM:

" This is why on most offender registries it will tell you the crime. When I see "statutory rape" I assume it was like a 19 year old guy with a 16 year old girlfriend, Still wrong but I won't be scared to live next to him. However, when the registry told me about the man across the street who was charged with molestation with a WEAPON and the chlid was only 8 years old, I knew to watch my son and my neighbor like a HAWK. I'm so glad he moved away, but also glad these registries exist so I can be informed. "

ODF wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:26 AM:

" The other issue I have is with the current structure of the offender registry. I'm all for the offender registry and original intent when it's used for violent offenders and child sexual offenders. However, the purpose of this has been "Sillyputtied" into incorporating many things that were never originally intended to be classified as registry type of crimes. "

ODF wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Winky & Shiny - be careful or Amazed will come on here and accuse you of defending sex offenders. I had the same thoughts about some of these laws on another story and next thing I know Amazed is accusing me of defending sex offenders.
I'm all for just punishment, what I'm struggling with is "on-going" punishment after the judicially-imposed punishment is over.
If we want to keep pedophiles behind bars for years, great, but let's change the punishment lengths rather than resorting to this civil confinement.
Oh BTW, let me reiterate, I also detest sex offenders and feel they deserve every punishment they get. "

shinymcshine wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:21 AM:

" I think its important to identify and punish offenders. True pedophiles can't be "cured", but not all sex offenders are pedophiles. Politicians are springloaded to jump on hot button issues and "toughen up" on them to sukc up to the constituency. I fear that's what this new law was actually all about. "

shinymcshine wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:16 AM:

" well said, Winky. I got the same thoughts when I read this, and frankly some of the other sex offender provisions. Keep in mind, your 17 year old son gets frisky with his 16 year old girlfriend, HE is a sex offender under the law. Not every offender is this shadowy creep that is just laying in wait. "Sex offender" is a pretty broad term.
I think its a stretch to think the law can sentence a person, then institute lifetime restrictions/punishments well after he's served his sentence and there NOT be constitutional issues. "

mommyof2 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:10 AM:

" Winky, didn't the courts just throw out the "retroactive" portion of the initial sex offender crime bill. I'm very familiar with the process (no, I'm not one, nor is anyone I know) but because of my previous job, I was involved w/ Sheriff's office's and their responsibility to the registery, but I've been away from it for a while and don't know where the law stands as of now. "

winky615 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:25 AM:

" I encourage parents to wise up. Use the resources available and be aware of who is living around you. Exercise good judgement and common sense. Avoid the houses of known sex offenders. Be ultra-aware of what your children are doing and with whom they are doing it. Be involved with their lives - don't let them go door-to-door alone. Watch them like a hawk.

Be a parent, not a friend. "

winky615 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:22 AM:

" Who didn't see this lawsuit coming. When I first heard of these new laws in a legislative update training, immediately I said these won't hold up in court.

Before I go further, let me say without hesitation I DETEST CHILD SEX OFFENDERS. ANYONE WHO VICTIMIZES A CHILD IS SCUM.

Having said that, what if I felt about drunk drivers the way I feel about sex offenders. Would you support my idea of keeping convicted drunk drivers in their homes on weekends or times of the day found to have a higher percentage of DWI incidents?

I truly believe the legislature's heart was in the right place on this one, but I'm really struggling with these laws. "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:56 PM:

" I don't believe Paul had sex with children, but I may have a different version of the bible than you do. "

apostacy wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:43 AM:

" Apparently most people do not read the bilble? I guess we all expect to go to heaven without following the teachings of Christ. Who was Paul? What did he do? I guess everyone who goes to heaven has never lied, committed adultery, stole, murdered, had bad thoughts about someone, assaulted someone. I know a man who has suffered enough, and move on with his life. And he is waiting for the Rapture. Most people forget that everyone who believes receives. Those who judge, will be judged by the same measure. Read, believe, and understand. Plus get the statistics, know the person, and most have children who they love; just as much as you love yours. "

happy wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:20 PM:

" Maybe they should have thought about that before they had sex with a child!!!!

These sick people should have NO rights in my book! "

Boscoe wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:55 PM:

" How about requiring all sex offenders to report to jail on Halloween where they can be monitored and contact with children can be prevented? "

nospinzone wrote on Oct 12, 2008 4:31 AM:

" apostcy once convicted of this horrendous crime , sorry you have no rights when it comes to children "

pepsi wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:25 PM:

" they should not let them sex offenders out of jail they should stay in there till they die "

apostacy wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Judge not.... For you shall be judged! How many perfect people do you you know? Are you perfect? Have you committed a crime? Love has no boundaries. Does not Jesus teach us that? He who is without Sin cast the first stone... Do you "lumpinthesandbox" cast the first stone? Everyone has the right to be happy, and enjoy the fruits of a new beginning. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:16 PM:

" What kind of person would have children with any kind of sex offender?

What kind of person would stay with a person who is convicted of a sexual crime, especially with children involved.

People who committ a sex crime, especially against a child, should have no rights. "


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