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Local man arrested following shooting at skate park

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Published: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:08 PM CDT

A Jefferson City man is being held in the Cole County Jail in connection with a shooting at the skate park in Washington Park on Sunday night.

According to police reports, Shawn Montague, 40, is facing a charge of unlawful use of a weapon.

Around 8:50 p.m. Sunday night, officers responded to the park. When they arrived on the scene, they were told a male subject, Montague, had driven a tan Buick to the park and attempted to block a Jeep from leaving.

As Montague was blocking the Jeep, the Jeep began ramming Montague's vehicle, attempting to get away. Montague pursued the Jeep and fired one gun shot at the Jeep. He then returned to the skate park parking lot and confronted a group of people, where he fired another shot into a parked car and then fled the area.

Officers were able to get information that led them to find Montague's vehicle parked in the 1100 block of Lee and took him into custody.


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TheRickster wrote on Oct 3, 2008 4:37 PM:

" It's called a comment Boxette. Nothing new is being added. "

boxergal wrote on Oct 1, 2008 6:12 PM:

" I have a question...do you just jump through here and make obnoxious remarks that have absolutely no bearing on anything? Just curious. "

TheRickster wrote on Oct 1, 2008 8:51 AM:

" Come on editor, isn't this horse dead yet.Let them beat another new article. This is just bickering. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 29, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Boscoe wrote "Come on JCPD! Start fighting REAL CRIME!"

I have no doubt they try. The problem is that we have destroyed the moral fabric. Unless some people start waking up and impose some discipline things will only get worse. "

redhed2007 wrote on Sep 28, 2008 6:33 AM:

" And my son wonders why I wont just drop him off and leave him there to skate while I am in town running errands. Too bad that these kids can't have a safe place to do their thing. "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 26, 2008 9:36 AM:

" At least they have the speeders and people who park at meters running scared.

Come on JCPD! Start fighting REAL CRIME! "

countercouple wrote on Sep 26, 2008 3:34 AM:

" In my opinion, the area along Misssouri BLVD between Will West Music and Schnucks needs a dedicated police presence. I know it may be expensive but how many more shootings, stabbings and instances of prostitution are we going to over look?

Dont get me wrong, the JCPD have been doing a great job but the area has become a total blight. I once thought that our city leaders might do something to help but now I understand that the only people even interested in solving this areas problems are the home owners and the police. "

ts20 wrote on Sep 25, 2008 2:26 PM:

" its not just the parks -----------check out the walking trails ----drugies sleeping in boxes ..some things i can't say on here .....................ETC,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "

boxergal wrote on Sep 25, 2008 1:38 PM:

" Reckless endangerment could be filed, I believe. "

ODF wrote on Sep 25, 2008 12:30 PM:

" lumps - I was wondering why he didn't get charged with (brain cramp) whatever is when you hold someone against their will for blocking the vehicle in. Felonious restraint or something to that effect. That person might have a good case for violation of civil liberties regarding the restraint, not to mention the emotional distress. Even if they won, highly doubtful anything could ever be recovered though. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 25, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Why did he not get any vehicular / driving charges. If he is going to use his vehicle in a dangerous manner - he should not have a drivers license or be allowed to own a vehicle.
Throw the book at him, every charge possible, and let him be a lesson to the other crazy, angry people out there. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 25, 2008 11:54 AM:

" Maybe the parks commission could file a suite....nail him good. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 25, 2008 11:52 AM:

" I've been wondering if the innocent bystanders at the park could file a civil suite against this Montague.
Emotional distress, endangerment.

I'd like to see him criminally prosecuted as well as held civially liable. "

ODF wrote on Sep 25, 2008 11:25 AM:

" That's a lovely sentiment...but then so was the one where you weren't going to judge people and we see how long that lasted.

Peace on earth would be wonderful. Unfortunately because of friends like yours, the violent felon that was on probation for domestic assault and then opened fire at a kids skate part, that is not possible. Maybe you should be preaching to YOUR friends instead of me. I do not have a violent or criminal past/record. I am done debating with you. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:36 AM:

" peace within all walks of life is all i have ever wanted for our earth..
ODF: is this good for you to or am i wrong again "

ODF wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:28 AM:

" MS. Black wrote on Sep 25, 2008 9:59 AM:
" Mabey we should split the city in half and she what happens then "

Interesting response. What do you propose and how do you suggest it be divided? I'd be all for confining the deadbeat, welfare, druggies, thugs and social misfits to one section, enclose them and let them have at each other. The hard working, honest, law-abiding folks can have the rest of the town and live peacefully. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Maybe criminals should get more than probation.
Maybe criminals/deadbeats should get a job.
Maybe friends/family should stop defending criminals, and making excuses.
Maybe the drug dealers should be locked up. "

MS. Black wrote on Sep 25, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Mabey we should split the city in half and she what happens then "

melbrooks wrote on Sep 25, 2008 7:38 AM:

" As I indicated earlier, crime is everywhere.

I had tools stolen out of my truck in one of the outlying communities. That doesn't make the place a crime haven--it was just a crime of opportunity.

I won't allow criminals to dictate my actions, so I'll continue to have a frosty cold one at Prison Brews. "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:16 PM:

" wolf - in reference to your 4:36 post
You need to learn how to close your quote, this was direct mis-quote and frankly it sounds childish.
WOLFENATTHEDOOR wrote on Sep 24, 2008 4:36 PM:
"You said this in another article , since im the horrible person who teaches this to kids what does it make you"
I do stand by what I said about teaching people how to be responsible with weapons. Maybe a safety course would do some of these fools good. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:40 PM:

" crime mc - can you tell me what site you subscribed to? I had a subscription to a site - which was awful (net det). "

crime mc wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:18 PM:

" I already case net him and i also have a subscription to a web site that tells everything about him and you think case net is bad get a subscription to a site that gives you all the history and everyone would want him in jail.

I cant believe anyone would pay a 500 dollar bond to get him out. That bail bondsman probllay has payed his bail several times. Shawn probally has their number on speed dial. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 6:18 PM:

" crime mc - Check this guy out on case net. He has a violent history, ordered to take anger managment classes. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 6:16 PM:

" bug professes to know everything, but can provide no details. ----
wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:44 PM:
" Mr. Montgue was there because his son called him. ---
seven wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:01 PM: "12 GROW MEN 21 AND UP HOLD MY 15 YEAR OLD CHILD DOWN AND PUNCH HE IN THE FACE,"----

No matter how you slice or dice it, this guy is a nut ball. "

crime mc wrote on Sep 24, 2008 5:10 PM:

" Who has herd of a 40 year old at a skate park? That sounds kinda weird to me. Anyone that shoots a gun is trying to aim for someone or thing so he should be in jail for a long time. The good thing is that he does not know how to use a gun and missed. This man should already be in do to his prioir conviction and I hope he never gets out so that he will not hurt anyone else "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 5:03 PM:

" Nice guy to some. Scary criminal to others.
CT-02, ARMED CRIMINAL ACTION, (F). JURY FINDS THE DEFTGUILTY; PSI ORDERED; TRIAL DAYS: 5 JUDGE KENNETH M. WEINSTOCK, DIV 09 COURT REPORTER: SUSAN J HAMMACK
CT-01, ASSAULT 1ST DEG, (F). JURY FINDS THE DEFT GUILTY; PSI ORDERED; TRIAL DAYS: 5 JUDGE KENNETH M. WEINSTOCK, DIV 09 COURT REPORTER: SUSAN J HAMMACK "

crime mc wrote on Sep 24, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Lady bug you just need to try to take care of your family and stop hanging around with Mr. M or as we all call him the crime lord of jefferson city and you are his best and only friend "

WOLFENATTHEDOOR wrote on Sep 24, 2008 4:36 PM:

" NATURALLY SAID: Keep archery, add skeet shooting and fencing. These kids need to know the power and potential destruction of a little bullet, as well as self-preservation. Too many video games and not enough reality. You said this in another article , since im the horrible person who teaches this to kids what does it make you

ODF; my children are raised and have never been in trouble an also volunteer their time to ones who have nothing. wow i must be a bad parent. hey ya know what one of them could be your neighbor. "

online_editor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 4:32 PM:

" Please stop the personal sniping. I think the people doing the sniping have made their points on both sides of character issues, and in the process, thoroughly confused the original name of a popular (yet unsafe for work) Saturday Night Live video, but let's not go into detail about that. Thanks. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 24, 2008 4:18 PM:

" and i will say this for the very last time. shawn IS a nice guy. all of you can talk about that for the next month i don't care b/c no matter what you say or the outcome of this case i will still think shawn is a nice guy. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 24, 2008 4:05 PM:

" ODF i don't know what you don't understand. I have my facts straight. Why don't you stop typing and start reading and maybe just maybe you'll comprehend. Oh, and i'm sure we have met. See i work a job where i have the pleasure of meeting a lot of people and if your from this area which you are then you have met me. that is of course if you ever get off of these posts and see the real world. FYI i don't hang with Mr. M as you would call him. I know his family members. So what? Do you think his whole family is a bunch of felons b/c he is apart of them? "

911oclock somewhere wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Does Mr. Montague find you to be one of the greatest people that he hasa ever met? "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:57 PM:

" I highly doubt we will ever run into each other, outside of court, ladybug. See I don't tend to hang around with violent felons or people that do. If you want to...and want to subject your child(ren) and family to that, that is certainly your perrogative, but don't go crying when violent felons do what they do and hurt you or your family.

I'm done with this....becuase I'm sick of dealing clueless people! "

laydbug wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:51 PM:

" YOU DON'T KNOW ME AT ALL. I AM THE MOST FORGIVING AND PATIENT PERSON YOU WILL EVER MEET. UNTIL YOU TALK ABOUT ME WHILE INCLUDING MY FAMILY WITH YOUR JUDGEMENT. I THE SUGGEST YOU NEVER COMMENT ON MY RELATIONSHIP OR MY RAISING OF MY CHILD. AND I GUARANTEE YOU IF YOU MET ME YOU MOST LIKELY WOULD THINK I WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE EVER MET. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:44 PM:

" DON'T YOU EVER AND I MEAN EVER INSULT ME AS A PARENT ODF. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:43 PM:

" ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:58 PM:

" One more thing wolfen - I said p-in-a-cup...not a box. Yet you want to call me a freak? Oh gee, what happened to that not judging. You are the one that cannot read a simple comment...and I am NOT the one up in here defending a convicted violent felon, someone that is on probation for domestic assault and then illegally possessed a firearm and shot at someone he was chasing down. You and ladybug are the 2 most clueless individuals I have ever met....and to think you both have and are raising children is just frightening. " "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 2:50 PM:

" Oh yeah...we don't want convicted violent felons, that are currently on probation for domestic assault, shooting guns at a park and WE are the nuts?? (and yes I intend to keep repeating the FACTS about Mr. M until it sinks into some of y'all's thick skulls. He is a violent felon and should not be on the street.)

BTW...I seriously hope you don't work with youth as was earlier indicated. If you do, someone really needs to look into qualifications and if you really should be working with/around young people. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 2:47 PM:

" wolfen - In that case, my bad. But in my defense, considering you started your post with "ODF" and used NO puncutation, capitalization and never referenced lumps how was anyone supposed to know that? Especially when you used the exacty same type of writing I used in my p-in-a-cup quote. Sheesh dude/dudetee...a little punctuation and indication of who you're directing a comment to would go a long ways!! LOL!! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 2:28 PM:

" 911oclock somewhere - or YaYa. Only difference here is the grammar and spelling. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 2:27 PM:

" I think that wolf and bug need serious counseling. Otherwise might I suggest, duct tape. "

WOLFENATTHEDOOR wrote on Sep 24, 2008 2:20 PM:

" ODF i was talkin to lumpsinthesand about p-in-a-box guess you dont get it.. thats ok im not here to defend or offend anyone until i was insulted, i will go so you nuts can share your tree "

911oclock somewhere wrote on Sep 24, 2008 2:03 PM:

" I can think of only one other time when someone so guilty was so vigourously defended.

Can you say: JOHNNY COCHRAN? "

blkpag1 wrote on Sep 24, 2008 2:02 PM:

" True. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:59 PM:

" blkpag1 - The only thing you missed is that he is CURRENTLY on probation for domestic assault as well as being a convicted felon (Armed Criminal Action), but other than that you are spot on! "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:58 PM:

" One more thing wolfen - I said p-in-a-cup...not a box. Yet you want to call me a freak? Oh gee, what happened to that not judging. You are the one that cannot read a simple comment...and I am NOT the one up in here defending a convicted violent felon, someone that is on probation for domestic assault and then illegally possessed a firearm and shot at someone he was chasing down. You and ladybug are the 2 most clueless individuals I have ever met....and to think you both have and are raising children is just frightening. "

blkpag1 wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:57 PM:

" I am just pulling the facts from this report. Let's see...

Felon with firearm.

Discharges or shoots a firearm at or from a motor vehicle (not in self-defense because he pursued the jeep).

And it would appear that whom ever he got the firearm from would also now be guilty of a class d felony if they knew about his background. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:53 PM:

" Convicted felon, on probation, in possession of a firearm. GUILTY. YOU, ladybug, are the one that has not a clue. Start saving your change so you can write letters to your well-rounded nice guy in prison. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:51 PM:

" Wolfen - Either you have no grasp of the laws relating to firearm possession by convicted felons and probationers/parolees or you simply choose to be blind to the fact because you know Mr. Montague. Either way it does not matter to me. Here is another simple concept...Mr. Montague is a VIOLENT FELON. He has shown he cannot conform to the laws of society and he should be locked away. If he's allowed to remain free he WILL hurt/kill someone.
And now I have the same headache I had yesterday with these brick walls up in here. Some of you people and your unwillingness to open your eyes and accept facts just amaze me. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:49 PM:

" Yes wolfen I have. This is not a difficult concept...stay with me...he is a convicted felon in possession of a firearm. That alone is a violation of the law and the conviction will be a sure thing. Possession of the firearm was a violation of his current probation for domestic violence. It does not take a charge/conviction for a judge to pull his probation. The judge can, and should, yank his probation immediately. Then when he is convicted on the possession charge he should be locked up for a good long time. Like I said, if you are ok with a violent felon having a firearm, that is YOUR problem. I will not-shrug-my-shoulders,-say-what-a-good-guy-he-is-and-blow-it-off. "

911oclock somewhere wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:44 PM:

" Ms Bug:

Several contributors have asked you for the details you claim to be familiar with about this incident.

"U all will find out soon enough" hardly qualifies as an indepth answer to defend your well rounded aquaintence that you have had the pleasure to know.

Your laughter leads me to believe (with what little respect is due) that you may be a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

Please restore my faith in little red bugs with black dots. Tell me the EXACT reason why Mr. Montague should be seen in another light in this matter. "

WOLFENATTHEDOOR wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:40 PM:

" have a nice day "

WOLFENATTHEDOOR wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:39 PM:

" ODF you have become judge an jury and have allready found Mr. Montague guilty good for you cant wait till the true facts come out
p-in-a-box you think im scatterbrained but you need to reread what you have said talkin about a freak that would be you..
Naturally as far as my children go i do hope you meet them someday because they are as fine in beauty and brains as any of your children. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:32 PM:

" ha ha ha ha ha "

laydbug wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:32 PM:

" lol "

laydbug wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:31 PM:

" hmmmmm.....goes to show you ALL have no idea what you are talking about. "

blkpag1 wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:15 PM:

" He was clearly not defending anyone with the firearm, he pursued the vehicle and then fired at the fleeing vehicle. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Find out what? and when? When he is convicted by a jury of his peers as in the armed criminal action case or when he pleads guilty as in the domestic violence case.
Back him up all you want, bottom line is he broke the law, he pursued folks and fired shots with a gun he was forbidden to own. Regardless of the circumstances, HE COULD NOT LEGALLY POSSESS A FIREARM. What part of that are you having trouble with? Even if he was defending someone, he could not possess a firearm so he is guilty, period. He is a violent felon and has proven it repeatedly...he needs to be locked up. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:52 PM:

" u all will find out soon enough "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Lumps - I'm not above making mistakes...or admitting to them. Unfortunately both things happen more often than I care to admit!! LOL!!

Counter - It is truly sad, for the owners, but they also knew there would be issues with a business in that area, especially one opened late. I was looking forward to going over and checking the place out. Still might over a lunch hour or something. But after the mugging incident, I will not visit the place in the evening/night. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:32 PM:

" ODF - lol. I couldnt figure that out. Thanks :) "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:31 PM:

" Ooops sorry...I totally misread that 11:55am post. I thought he directed it at ladybug. My bad, 2 thumbs down on the 11:55 post. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:30 PM:

" And if would help, I am willing to kick in a few extra dollars to see you get some meds, too. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:29 PM:

" Actually I was quite impressed with wolfen's 11:55am post. I give you 2 thumps up for that one Wolfen!!

Ladybug - Most of your violent felon friends could not even pass the background check for most jobs...those that could probably wouldn't pass the p-in-a-cup test no matter how hard they studied. But it is quite humorous for you to defend a violent felon as a well rounded nice guy and then jump all over working folks for spending a few minutes on a computer. Your morals are messed up beyond belief. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:28 PM:

" Thank you, naturally. Wolf needs some serious counseling, himself. His posts are so off the wall how do you respond?

Wolf, you certianly fell off that pedestal you sat yourself upon.

You came in here defending this nut, now you keep throwing out odd and crazy posts.

What is your point? What should we do here for these angry, gun packing nuts? Feel sorry for them?

Heck, I think it's good enough that my tax dollars will be feeding and housing him when they lock him up. Not to mention the costs of the meds. "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:15 PM:

" I'm sure you'll NEVER get the pleasure of meeting her kids. "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:14 PM:

" OMG please tell me this wolf cannot be so blindly critical and still work with our most impressionable citizens.
Leaves little wonder why the crime perpetuates. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:11 PM:

" lumps i feel so sorry for your kids with such a well rounded mom... hope some day i dont meet them at the center, because no matter what you say they will someday make their own choices and reguardless of what you tought them they will make their own choice and lets hope their over reacting mom dont drive them to such bad things. you should be ashamed of yourself "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:08 PM:

" I feel for them too Countercouple. What a unique idea for a bar. Again, very sad. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:03 PM:

" Well, I do tend to get upset when bullets start flying..... but since this seems to be excusable behaviour to you and laydbug, I can see why you wouldn't understand.

Since Mr. Montague is such a pleasant individual, well rounded, and all.. such a pillar of the community. "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:02 PM:

" wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:43 AM:
" i am very disturbed by this conversation. you all sound like squallin pigs."

yeah, I think you got the disturbed part right.
I do my part, my concious is clear, and my kids aren't out causing trouble.

Oh and LADYBUG - you have no idea what I do or where I do it! "

countercouple wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:01 PM:

" Boxer gal and odf make excellent points. We went to prison brew quite often until the mugging, now my wife doesnt want to go due to saftey. I feel sorry for the owners of prison brew but thats just how it is.

The skate park will have the same thing happen to it. How many parents will allow theyre childeren to skate there when gunfire occurs? "

boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:01 PM:

" As has been mentioned by others earlier. The redevelopment process will take a little time. There's always going to be someone that has try to redirect the process. Boycotting the area won't make it better or safer. Showing up on larger numbers will. If every thug gets caught, and weak judges are canned, we will have a better place to live. KC has the West port area, and while we'll never have anything like that here, we can sure continue to have a nice place to go. We just have to be willing to take out the trash! "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:55 AM:

" lumps im so glad you arent a mother of mine. i have compassion and didnt say i was Mr. Montagues friend i said i knew him. you like to put words in my mouth and that makes me feel sorry for your kids.. do you do the same to them. maybe you need to quit over reacting and get a life "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:53 AM:

" LAYDBUG - Yes, I am sure most of the unemployed gangsters in this community would love a job. But then when they would they have time to bump and grind to their music or make more babies? "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:51 AM:

" wolfenatthedoor - good lord, there goes the next generation. I hope that you don't defend and excuse them when they make bad choices. I shudder to think of you mentoring anyone. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:49 AM:

" naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:45 AM:

" wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:42 AM:
" ...well i can and will do my best to at least try instead of saying i cant "

WHAT IS THAT! "

THINK ABOUT WHAT U JUST WROTE NAUTURALLY. READ A LITTLE SLOWER. I CAN'T BELIEVE U ALL ARE STILL ARGUEING MAYBE ALL OF YOUR BOSSES SHOULD GET A CALL. HOPEFULLY THEY CAN FIND MORE PEOPLE WHO WILL ACTUALLY WORK INSTEAD OF PLAYING ON THE COMPUTER ALL DAY. YOU ALL 300 OR MORE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LAYED OFF AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A JOB INSTEAD OF SITTING AT HOME WISHING THEY WEREN'T ON FOOD STAMPS AND WELFARE. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:49 AM:

" Yeah, I did not understand that either.

Wolf - you switch sides so often I can't keep up.

You defended this nut, now you want us all out there patroling.

How about this, you start by telling your friends to quit shooting.

I will continue to make sure that my actions and my kids actions fall with in socially acceptable behaviours.

If hades freezes over and one of my friends whack out and start shooting - I won't make excuses - I'll tell them they are a nut and hope they get locked up and medicated. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:49 AM:

" naturaly, do you volenteer at any community centers, boys and girls town. what do you do. i am a volenteer and i try to make a diffrence do any of you? you want to stop the problem then go to the source and start with the kids who dont have a choice and show them there is a choice "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:45 AM:

" wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:42 AM:
" ...well i can and will do my best to at least try instead of saying i cant "

WHAT IS THAT! "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:42 AM:

" now who is whining lumps icant i cant, well i can and will do my best to at least try instead of saying i cant "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Yes ODF. My husband and I took a drive to the east end. We were so impressed on what is being done. He commented on how JC need a place like that. And the area had made some progress. And then I read about the mugging. Very sad. Yes, it was a matter of time. I know I won't go there until the situation in JC is cleared up. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Not everyone can be a cop - I couldn't catch up to a criminal if he gave me a head start. But I can do my part. I can raise my kids right, teach them well, obide by the laws, and help my neighbors.

If we expect that from other members of the community, and not make excuses for them, then we are off to a good start.

I hope they lock this guy up and start him on some meds. Whatever it takes so my babies don't have to walk in fear. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:34 AM:

" I AM ALSO AT WORK AND I ALSO KNOW WHERE MY KIDS ARE AND WHATS YOUR POINT "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:34 AM:

" There ya go Boomer, thats good. Honesty is the best policy. You have to admit that you have problems before you can solve them. By the way, I think they are getting ready to oust your Prosec. Attn. in the other forum. Too funny. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:32 AM:

" I can't go anywhere. I am stuck here at work making a living instead of recieving welfare.

However, you can bet I know where my kids are, and they know their boundaries.

And my world would be safer if your friends would quit shooting. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:29 AM:

" i agree with lumps and odf an all of you crime is an issue but get off your computers and get out there and make a diffrence,, like be a cop walk in their shoes or just part of neighbor hood watch. it dont matter in here it matters out there "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:26 AM:

" wolf - true, but I don't even hear a bark .... just a whine.

You see my point is this, to make our community safe, everyone of us has to take responsibility for our actions. We can't excuse this type of behaviour because it is dangerous. Fatal.

I have kids, I want their world to be safe. I want your kid's world to be safe. So we have to make it safe, not make excuses. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Well wolfen, at least we agree on something. I'm glad you're okay with violent felons toting firearms and taking potshots at people in your community. "

boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:25 AM:

" I agree with you. JC does have problem areas. People that live here can tell you where they are. The ones that are "bad" didn't start out that way. Other places were chosen to frequent instead. All I'm saying is if your child wants to skate, and go to that park you need to make it a point to go too if at all possible. Parents do make a big difference just by being there. The cops can't be everywhere all the time, and who's child is it anyway? "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:24 AM:

" boxer - I guess you saw the recent incident at the prison brewery about the mugging? What's sad is those of us with open eyes knew it was just a matter of time before something like that happened. Unless police get a grip on the east side (and other crime in this town) that place is doomed....patrons will be targets and soon folks will refuse to go down there after dark. It's a shame too, because I've heard it's a nice little place. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:23 AM:

" odf you are right i am part of the problem "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:21 AM:

" wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:43 AM:
this isnt about you.

You are 100% incorrect. Crime in community and violent felons running the streets with firearms IS about us, every single one of us. If you cannot see that then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:21 AM:

" and at least im not cat pee in a sand box lol "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:20 AM:

" wolves and dogs also bite "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:19 AM:

" Naturally, another big issue with Columbia is they denied for years that some/much of the crime they were seeing was gang related. That idea was dismissed...there weren't gangs, there were no gang affiliations, there was only some "wannabe" locals that pretended to be in gangs. They had their heads stuck in the sand for so long, the problem just ballooned. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Wolves and dogs whine. You picked your alias well. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:59 AM:

" Oh, I so long for that microbrewery where I can get mugged as I leave the building. God, you all are so lucky. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:58 AM:

" wolfenatthedoor - Speaking for myself, I am very different from this Montague. For instance, I don't have anger issues, a rap sheet, etc. I don't freak out and start shooting at people and cars.

Remember that saying, "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me?" You (or you nutso friend, Montague) fire a bullet at me, your probably going to kill me.

We are talking / arguing with words. Your friend solves his problem with bullets.

Do you see the difference. Go bark somewhere else, wolf. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Boomer - I am so jealous. However, I love to have a beer once in a while as I am sitting by the lake having a pizza. God, too funny for words. ha!!!!!!! Actually, this whole conversation is too funny for words. "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:52 AM:

" "boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:42 AM:
It's like a JCPD officer told me, most of the problem causing people sleep all day so they can run all night. Ya can't clean up the problem by working the opposite shift."

Are you saying the police don't want to work the night shift? how lame!
More like someone wants publicity from feel good activities and doesn't want to deal with the hard stuff. "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:50 AM:

" wolfen - you are mildly amusing "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:43 AM:

" i am very disturbed by this conversation. you all sound like squallin pigs. how do you sleep at night. all of your opinions dont matter because this isnt about you. if i was to turn my back right now how many of you would stabb me with your comments. i guess that makes you better than Mr. montague, no you didnt shoot a gun but your comments are sharp as a knife. yea your diffrent arent you "

boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:42 AM:

" Bash, bash , bash,.... or go to the micro brewery in the "city near by" where you live.

Good luck finding it.

It's like a JCPD officer told me, most of the problem causing people sleep all day so they can run all night. Ya can't clean up the problem by working the opposite shift. The other thing we need is for our courts to stop practicing the catch and release policy they use here in regard to criminals, that's the DCC that recommends that for fish. "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:38 AM:

" a lot of the problem Columbia had were from City Council trying to keep them from doing their job so they wouldn't be seen as "racial profiling" or other negative catch phrases brought on by left wing elusive statitics. Then came the citizen review board which has caught a lot of flack for their liberal 'cops are bullies' attitude. People are finally starting to wake up and a lot of those happen in the middle of the night. When the 'case' wakes you in the middle of the night with a gun to your head you hope that policeman is fully loaded. 'Defend yourself' is also gaining popularity. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:36 AM:

" Now the thugs are hanging out and bringing violence into the skate park...but considering it's location it was really just a matter of time anyway. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:33 AM:

" boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:00 AM:
" So which is it Boxer? Are the parks wonderful, or should this "God forsaken place be shut down?" "

I'm not boxer, but I'll stick my nose in and answer. It's both. This town does have some good parks, but some of which you can't use because of the crime. Who (or at least white folk) in their right mind would dare venture into Washington Park day or night unless you were looking to score some drugs? Not a chance in Hades I'd let my son play ball on those fields down there. There is very little other family activities the city makes available. However, JC does-have-some-good parks, lakes, etc.. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:30 AM:

" Done. Its your mess, figure it out. Good luck to you all, I hope it can all be fixed and soon. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:23 AM:

" Well, I would say you need to clean it up before you risk running around at night. Its sad. My husband and I were just commenting on how "cool" prison brews was. It wasn't a week later and someone was robbed at gunpoint when leaving. I can honestly tell you, if I paid taxes there, I would be getting people together to demand a meeting with the police chief. Its your right. Clean it up so everyone can enjoy what used to be a nice, clean, wonderful little town. "

boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:16 AM:

" My confusion is logical. How can anyone "Be a man" and "take back our town", if were being told to "stay in after dark"?
JC Parents take your kids to the parks whenever you can. Know who they call their friends and stay in the mix at all cost. You have a lot at risk, and remenber there are a few no good people out there that will spend time with your kids if you don't. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:15 AM:

" You all need to demand a city hall meeting with law enforcement. Like Columbia had. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:11 AM:

" Naturally, don't worry about me. As you can tell, I can well take care of myself, trust me. People are perceiving this as me bashing (again, that cute word) when I am truly concerned. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Use your common sense. Your park system is wonderful. I have said that before, time and time again. I have heard for a long, long time that this skate park had problems. Look where it sits. Hey, I am sick about what happened also. My husband takes music lessons near there and I would like to do the adult skate in the afternoon at the rink. You all have a fabulous skating rink there. If you want to stand at the skate park and make sure things run right, do so. But I don't think that is your responsibility, do you??? I am thinking the police might need to do that. "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:09 AM:

" sorry boxer not bpxer (big fingers little keyboard) "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:08 AM:

" bpxer - don't worry about boomer, apparently his feelings of inadequacy make him want to lash out at something. congrat's you the target of the day "

boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:00 AM:

" So which is it Boxer? Are the parks wonderful, or should this "God forsaken place be shut down?" "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:00 AM:

" I am with you ODF...I don't even want to go into town anymore. No need to. Like I said, I can go to Fulton to shop where all I have to endure is the frat boys running for the booze isle. JC is a mess and no one wants to admit it. Its the second Columbia in the making. I am not "bashing" (love that word, its soooo JC) it, I am truly worried about it. I don't want my family living in that mess. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:52 AM:

" I never said a word about your parks, they are wonderful. You know, this is so no skin off of my nose except I have family there that I worry about. Word to the wise, don't go out at night. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:48 AM:

" I STILL live near JC. Heres a shocker for ya, I stood up and fought my problem so I could live where I am. So did some other neighbors. You all don't seem to be able to do that for some reason, like ODF said. Be a man, stand up and put an end to it. JC is a beautiful little city but I do believe people are sick of the crime and the government. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:46 AM:

" Boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:26 AM:
Part of this problem belongs to the courts, at least in my opinion.

I agree Boomer! The police must take action to curb the violence and be proactive in their actions. However, police can only do so much. As long as the courts keep letting criminal off with a slap and wink and tell them to be good, this town will never get a handle on the crime. What will it take for folks to wake up? I used to enjoy coming to JC at night for fun, but between the crime and lack of activities, this town has come to a grinding halt. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:44 AM:

" Boomer, I am not sure who you are but I will tell you ONE MORE TIME. I live in a surrounding town. I pay for your awful school buildings. I will say what I want. Your city is becoming a crime ridden mess. I have a second residence, which I love. If you all want to put up with that stuff, have at it. I moved years ago after enduring drug dealers in JC. I can honestly tell you I live in an area now that is heaven. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:41 AM:

" Excuse me?? "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Boomer - You are exactly right! "

Boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:26 AM:

" I'm 100% with you on that ODF. I hope this time through his past is considered and since behavior modification has failed, he is locked up. If we can't fix the problem, we should at least expect it to be taken out of the public mix. Our children deserve a safe place to gather and grow.
Part of this problem belongs to the courts, at least in my opinion. "

Boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:14 AM:

" We don't need to close the park, we need more parents to show up! "

Boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:14 AM:

" And Boxer, you have said you had druggies next to you for a few years in other post, and that no one helped you. But you stayed there. And now you have a better place at the lake, and love it there. Thank God for you that JC is here for you to constantly bash on. What in the world would you do for fun without it? You seem to take great delight in merely sniping our City, it's government and it's parks and schools and lack of jobs for your Son while advising everyone that has concerns to simply leave for a better "Golden place under the sun". So why didn't you practice that years ago? "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:07 AM:

" One other point boomer...what's the old saying about those that fail to learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them, or something like that.
One's past has to be considered in a current situation to determine appropriate action/punishment. If we ignore Mr. M's past and let him walk as a law-abiding citizen (which he is not) then it's only a matter of time before he does kill someone. He is violent, he's proven that in the past and in the present...let's not give him the opportunity to be violent to the general public in the future. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:04 AM:

" naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:58 AM:
Most of all, still wouldn't want my children around it.

Exactly. What really gets me is when will JC residents stand up and tell this town's pathetic police force that enough is enough. Get off the parking/speeding tickets. Get off the checkpoints after the bar closes that nets 1% DWI offenders. Start doing real policework and put an end to this increasing violence and crime in this city/county. Or are citizens okay with JC becoming the next Columbia with multiple shootings/robberies every night? "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Was the son out of danger when Mr. M confronted the group at the park or was the fight still going on? If the fight was still going on how did Mr. M find out about it and come to his son's rescue. How did Mr. M know who's car to block in. Why did Mr. M pursue the people and open fire?

Way too many questions to answer your question. I think the same charge might have been appropriate (or even more charges) but with a less severe punishment because of no criminal history. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Too many unknown facts for me to form an opinion on that if Mr. M had been a law abiding citizen. However, I would venture a guess that if Mr. M had been a law abiding citizen with a clean record this may have been handled in a completely different manner.

Was the son's attack completely unprovoked? Was he truly "held down and beaten by a group"? Was this a one-on-one fight? Was it just one punch, was it an on-gonig fight or was it a situation where the son was on the ground getting pummeled (where a case could be made for imminent danger). Did the son have an opportunity to escape? "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:58 AM:

" boomer - you'll have that in life "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:58 AM:

" still lethal force when unwarrented. still reckless discharge of a gun. Still unlawful use of a weapon. Most of all, still wouldn't want my children around it. "

Boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:56 AM:

" I never intended to diminish the danger Mr M.'s action's brought into the park. I more over thought his past mistakes were being added on top of this crime. "

Boomer wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:51 AM:

" Mr M's past has been a large part of this discussion, as well as his response while supposedly defending his child. As a parent, I know if my child were being beaten by a group of persons, I would take whatever "short cut" at my disposal to bring it to an end ASAP! I understand how it got way out of hand so fast. No excuses, just a parent. What I would ask everyone to think over is this. What if Mr M didn't ever have any record. What if he was a first time offender? What would be reasonable punishment then? And most of all I thank God no one caught a stray round... "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:49 AM:

" I'm thinking maybe he had an "encounter" with an officer and she wasn't quite as friendly to him when he was handcuffed as he would have liked!! LOL!! "

naturally wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:08 AM:

" yeah boscoe he did make that rediculous comment. Wonder what his history is with female police. I guess they don't fit that barefoot pregnant image conjured up in his mind.
what is that all about Mac? "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:52 AM:

" I would also like to know why Mr. M's son was punched? I HIGHLY doubt he's some innocent victim sitting around BS'ing with friends and some dude walks up and punches him. Everyone is always saying there are 2 sides to the story and the nut doesn't fall far from the tree. Given his dad's propensity for violence I'm willing to be bet that son is anything but an innocent victim in this situation. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:50 AM:

" naturally - You can only defend others to the level of the threat. If someone is involved in a fistfight, you cannot use lethal force against the threat unless there are extenuating circumstances. Taking a gun to a city park to confront a fistfight and then being the aggressor in pursuing a fleeing person does not qualify as defense of self or others. Beyond that Montague is a hothead waiting to go off...if he stays out of prison it will only be a matter of time until something like this happens again. "

ODF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:45 AM:

" Seven - You cannot legally confront nonlethal force with lethal force, period. If you take a gun to a fist fight and kill someone, you will be charged (and probably convicted) of murder/manslaughter on some level.
I will protect my child also. You can spin this anyway you want, but bottom line is Mr. Montague was WRONG. He IS a convicted felon, he IS on probation for domesitic assault, he WAS in violation of the law for being in possession of a fiream and he is nothing but a violent offender and menace to society. I hope he is locked up for a long time. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:18 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote: Bah! Yeah right! Wait 30 minutes for JCPD to send one of their finest females?"

Somebody tell me that I didn't just read such a rediculous and sexist comment from MAC!

So Mac, please tell me how a female is not qualified to be a police officer.
(getting some popcorn- this is going to be entertaining) "

boscoe wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:06 PM:

" LAYDBUG wrote:... i hope that God forgives you for all the judging that you do. i'm pretty sure he is the only one who should judge. "

WRONG. God gives us the gift of discernment and He expects us to judge.

From all the facts of the case, and your unwillingness to tell us the "other side of the story", I am clearly able to judge that this guy is no good. "

JC wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:59 PM:

" whats funny, us that were within firing range of the gun (opposite end of the barrel of the shooter).....didnt have jack to do with the kid being beaten up.... that group left in the jeep..... so i understand being mad about ur kid bein hit..... if you must, take it out on the ppl that did it, not the ppl standing around b.s'in doin nothin wrong "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:58 PM:

" I think I recall my husband explaining it to me at one time. You have to put it in the passenger side glove??
Anyway, interesting fact about him pursuing. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:52 PM:

" We need to storm the City Council and DEMAND that JCPD stop focusing on writing parking and speeding tickets. They need to devote nearly all their attention to CLEANING UP THIS TOWN.

Get rid of the druggies, thugs, and gangsters. "

blkpag1 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:43 PM:

" The problem also is that not only is he in violation of law due to having a firearm (convicted felon), but he also pursued the jeep and fired at it (this does not qualify as self defense). "

blkpag1 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:36 PM:

" The statute has not changed regarding carry in your vehicle. It was originally written like this. "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:35 PM:

" If he truly was acting in defense of himself or others I would have no problem with it. If that were the case wouldn't there be more arrests? "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:33 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote -
Bah! Yeah right! Wait 30 minutes for JCPD to send one of their finest females? Nope! If seven's not lying, I'm with Montague on this one. You don't take a cell phone to a gang fight! "

You're overlooking the fact that he fired the shot AFTER he had opporunity to get away. If he had dialed 911 it might help his case, but he would still face the unlawful use of weapon. Worse yet he has taken the attention off the thugs. Charges should be filed against them for assault but will he do that?
In this case he still acted recklessly and dangerous, he became part of the problem. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:07 PM:

" I just read the changes to the statute and you are right. You can carry a concealed weapon without a permit if you are 21 and over. When did they change that? I need to go back to work. "

blkpag1 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 6:24 PM:

" In Missouri you can carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle without a concealed weapons permit as long as you are 21 and have the weapon legally. However, if this man is a convicted felon, then it is a violation for him to be in possession of a firearm at all! "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 6:14 PM:

" ~~~~~~I would protect my children, too, by calling 911 on the way.~~~~~~~

Bah! Yeah right! Wait 30 minutes for JCPD to send one of their finest females? Nope! If seven's not lying, I'm with Montague on this one. You don't take a cell phone to a gang fight! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 6:01 PM:

" seven - thank you for sharing the information.
I would protect my children, too, by calling 911 on the way.
It doesn't excuse the fact that this man brought a loaded gun and shot according to JC - towards a child. It doesn't excuse the fact that that he shot a gun anywhere in this park or city.
With his past anger issues and such - he was a loose cannon. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:38 PM:

" And before anyone brings it up, yes I know a baseball bat is a concealed weapon. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:37 PM:

" Better yet, grab your cell and call 911. And even better yet, stay away from this god forsaken place. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:34 PM:

" Sorry, still no excuse for pulling a gun in a public place. We have been threatened before, carry a baseball bat. Either that or get a legal conceal and carry. You can't get conceal and carry if you are a convicted felon. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:29 PM:

" Even more disturbing. Maybe they should close the place. "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Seven - thank you for clearing that up, we were wondering about that. (you don't need to shout)
Had I been in Mr M.s situation I would have an LE accompany me. Furthermore I would not confront the ringleader with a gun unless I was in a situation that we were being threathened and could not get away. Since he was in the car that had an exit, why didn't he just do that? I am assuming that by now he has his child out of harms way, which would be my first priority. But then I don't have anger management issues and I have more faith in LE. "

seven wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:01 PM:

" TO ALL WHO MADE A COMMENT ON THE SHOOTING IN THE PARK, YOU SHOULD HAVE TO BEEN THERE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPEN, I AM AN PARENT WHO WAS THERE, AND IF 12 GROW MEN 21 AND UP HOLD MY 15 YEAR OLD CHILD DOWN AND PUNCH HE IN THE FACE, WHILE EVERYONE ELSE IS JUST WATCHING, I WILL BE MAD TOO, THE PERSON WHO RAM HIS CAR INTO MR. MONTAGUE WAS NOT A VICTIM, HE WAS THE LEADER, MR. MONTAGUE WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF HIS CAR TO TALK TO THE GUY AND FIND OUT WITH WAS GOING ON,WHEN THE GUY JUMP IN THE CAR TO HIT MR.MONTAGUE WITH HIS CAR AND NOT OUT OF FEAR, "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:44 PM:

" well jc it looks like you know the whole story and your right thank God for dumb luck. God Bless you and yours "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:33 PM:

" JC - was that kid threatening the fool or his kid, did he have a weapon? From reading the posts of his lengthy violent past I probably already know the answer but just want to verify.
Thank you for clarifying. "

JC wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:20 PM:

" I was there, about 4 feet away from that kid that was being shot at. that man didnt shoot at the back of that car, he shot at some kid from about 15 feet and missed, it was dumb luck that hes still alive, and it wast that guns' fault that that moroon was wielding it, so dont even bring that topic up. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:15 PM:

" to all of you i wish you would grow up.. hows that for judging "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:12 PM:

" Then why pity him now? It's blind luck that someone wasn't killed during the violent outburst. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:11 PM:

" I agree lumps...that's why I'm bowing at...my head hurts from the brick walls up in here! LOL!! "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:10 PM:

" I'm done...some folks on here are completely clueless and obviously live by the "it's always everyone else's fault" concept. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:09 PM:

" ODF: Feel like your talking to a brick wall? Maybe they can hang around with these guy when he gets probation. Then, when they become a victim of his violence, they might get the picture. Bet they won't be throwing a pity party for Mr. Montague then. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:09 PM:

" odf wrote
#2) Did the person threatening his kids have a gun?
so u did ask the question. why would the kid know that? "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:08 PM:

" I'm angry?? ROFL!! Hardly. The only thing that gets me is the incessant defense of the indefensible and some people's complete refusal to place blame where it is due and accept facts. But hey, hang with your violent felon friends, it's no skin off my nose. Just don't start whining on a public board about how mistreated/misjudged they are when they get arrested for their actions.....or shot by a law abiding citizen for their violent actions. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:08 PM:

" lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:04 PM:

" What question? Think this is a mole hill? Think this guys past or present actions are pleasant and acceptable. What if someone, an innocent, was killed. Would you still pity this guy? "
my answer would be NO. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Did I say that? I'm simply asking a question, since you and wolfen claim know all the facts.

If you want to get all defensive and answer a question with a question, that is certainly your choice. However you need to face facts, YOUR FRIEND has a violent criminal history, YOUR FRIEND was on probation for domestic violence and YOUR FRIEND initiated the violence in this situation. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:05 PM:

" i only pitty you for being so angry maybe you should also take anger classes "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:04 PM:

" odf do you feel as if you keep repeating yourself and no one is listening.. Im hearing you and you are right. I am sorry i didnt check case net before knowing this person and maybe before i ever have another friend i will make sure i get their full name and check the history before i call them friend "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:04 PM:

" What question? Think this is a mole hill? Think this guys past or present actions are pleasant and acceptable. What if someone, an innocent, was killed. Would you still pity this guy? "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:03 PM:

" Mr. Montague has a violent criminal history. He has proven he has not changed, cannot conform to the laws of society. If/when convicted I hope he gets sufficient time to think about his actions.

I am not big on mandatory minimum sentencing, but in this case I would like to see 3 strikes mean a hefty prison sentence. He is a proven menace and it's just a matter of time before he kills someone, regardless of how "nice" some people want to claim he is. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:03 PM:

" odf what did you want the kid to do ask the guy if he had a firearm so that his dad can bring one also "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:02 PM:

" lumpsinthesandbox OMGosh stop picking arguments. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:00 PM:

" just askin didnt judge but you didnt answer "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:00 PM:

" #1) Mr. Montague is a convicted felon and was on probation, legally he could not own/possess a firearm of any kind. #2) Did the person threatening his kids have a gun? If not, then taking a gun to confront a physical threat is wrong. #3) Who all was in the car he blocked in? Were people in the car threatening his son and if so, how is someone in a car threatening someone not in the car? #4) Was the threat a credible one or was his son blowing it out of propotion to "show them" how big/bad his dad was? #5) Where there any charges filed against the perceived threat against Mr. M's son? "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:59 PM:

" i have served several times and it wasnt that bad because they settled before we had to make that decision like they should have to begin with "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:58 PM:

" Huh? are you judging me?
Gun... mole hill. Yep, so very similiar. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:56 PM:

" lumpsinthesand you have bigger issues then just this Mr. Montague. Do you always make mountains out of a ant hill "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:55 PM:

" hardtime i guess everyone you had the pleasure of meeting is your friend. if thats the case i guess i am friends with a lot of people. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:52 PM:

" I repeat...armed criminal action, domestic violence, probation violator, taking pot shots at people/cars at a park full of kids....does not translate into nice guy in most of the civilized, law-abiding folks' minds.

You have your opinion of him based on what little you obviously know about him. I have my opinion of him based on his violent criminal past and current actions.

Wolfen - I love the "nobody should ever judge anyone else" comments. One question, do you (or you too, ladybug) refuse to serve on a jury because it requires you to judge others? "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:51 PM:

" naturally that was funny and i think this conversation is outa hand because i also know Mr. montague,, i am very freaked out by all of this and i didnt know he was such a fellen.. Just goes to show you really dont know people at all "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:51 PM:

" wolf thank you. i'm glad you know what i'm talking about. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:51 PM:

" wolfenatthedoor - If I took a loaded gun to confront problems my kids had with other kids, I would be in prison. Tell us the rest of the story. "

hardtime wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:47 PM:

" Ladybug, according to case net youre new found friend inmate Montague has already done a little time for Assault 1st and Armed Criminal Action. Im seeing a pattern. Maybe instead of sitting around and posting your comments you should be looking for better friends. But the good news is, in your first letter to Shawn in the "Big House" you can tell him your views that citizen should not have guns. Im sure he will listen to you. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:47 PM:

" From Case net # 06AC-CR03175:
"Defendant shall complete anger control counseling" "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:47 PM:

" no anger issues wolfe, just trying to exercise my rights, they don't get out much. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:45 PM:

" odf you think you know me so well that you have opinions about my parenting skills? "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:44 PM:

" LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:01 AM:
" OK GUYS...THIS GUY IS SOMEONE I HAPPEN TO HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING. SO IF THAT MEANS THAT I HAVE SOME KIND OF DATING RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM THAN SO BE IT.
LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:31 PM:
" naturally, i thought you might want to know i've been married for 5 years now. happily. therefore i DO NOT DATE anyone but my husband. "

Well which is it???? Never mind, I'm not sure I need to know. I'll take anything you say now as suspect. "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:44 PM:

" Mr. Montgue was there because his son called him. Me as a parent will always be there for my children and if my child is confronted by what you call thugs packing, then you better believe i will use my right to carry to protect.. Isnt that what the police do? Mr. Montague was wrong for shooting at all and he will pay the price, so all of you let your anger issues go and leave the man alone. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:43 PM:

" I hope you never get on his bad side, he's liable to take a shot at you. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:42 PM:

" yeah actually he did. b/c hes a nice guy. we've never had a problem w/ him at all. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:40 PM:

" I am curious to know if your husband thought it was a "pleasure to meet" this Montague? "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:36 PM:

" no "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:33 PM:

" Some of you people have a strange sense of what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. Let's let the nuts run wild, and the criminals use us as target practice. Would that make you happy. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:31 PM:

" naturally, i thought you might want to know i've been married for 5 years now. happily. therefore i DO NOT DATE anyone but my husband. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:28 PM:

" thank you wolf. that is what i've been trying to say all along. your words are way better put than mine. thank you so much. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:24 PM:

" laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:13 PM:
Well fyi i don't think guns should be shot anywhere or be handled by any citizen.

So you're okay with the restriction of a Constitutional Right? What's next, no right to free speech, religion, etc.?

You're okay hanging around with a violent felon, but you have a problem with law abiding citizens owning guns? You have serious priority issues....and beyond that, I will refrain from making any comments about your parenting "skills". Killers are killers whether it's with a knife, hammer, bow and arrow or their own fists. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:21 PM:

" wolf - Hello? We are citizens and don't want ourselves or our families shot up. I don't have to be perfect. I just have to be law-obiding. And hopefully, sane.

Ignoring and excusing criminal actions is a great way to perpetuate crime. Duh. "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:18 PM:

" ladybug - take away the guns and the killers will pick up a machete or a baseball bat, there's always something. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:16 PM:

" Hey wolf...check out the title of this page. It's a comment board. If you don't like the fact that people post comments and opinions, why are you here reading them? Isn't your preaching to us about not making judgments actually you making judgments about us making judgments? Pot, meet kettle.... LOL!! "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:15 PM:

" hey wolfen - who's passing judgment we are just trying to figure out what happened. We are also voicing intolerance to stupid and dangerous criminals. You won't read about me in relation to this kind of reckless violence. If I ever do snap (not likely) I'd expect the same kind of criticism. We aren't talking about the little boy taking money from the offering plate here, this is part of the bigger problem that plagues Jeff City and is causing good law abiding citizens to want to move. You bet they have a right to voice thier opinion! If you want to call that throwing stones I'd say you need to get used to it. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:13 PM:

" ok hardtime would you like me to name all of the places that people shouldn't shoot their guns? Well fyi i don't think guns should be shot anywhere or be handled by any citizen. if you want to hunt use a bow. thats the way i think. go ahead pick another argument "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:13 PM:

" So which is it, you know what happened or the media gave us all the info? Its funny that claim there was so much more to the story, but then you refuse to provide it. If the info has been given to the police, as it should be, then providing us a little insight will not hurt any investigation.

If you're judging self defense because his car was rammed, you have to ask yourself, what would I do if I was blocked in and felt threatened? If anyone can claim self-defense in their actions it's the guy that was blocked in by your friend. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:11 PM:

" LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:07 AM:
" WELL I WILL TELL YOU GUYS. THERE IS ALOT MORE TO THE STORY THAN YOU ARE HEARING THROUGH THE MEDIA."

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:08 PM:
" i KNOW what happened at the park that night."

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:10 PM:
" all i can say is i know what happened at the park that night, and i would call it self defense. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:28 PM:
i don't know if i can give anymore information than the media has already told you." "

wolfenatthedoor wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:07 PM:

" To all who have given their comments and opinions on this man.. In the eyes of God we are all his children.. I agree with this and you who have such harsh opinions,, better hope you are a perfect citizen because we could be reading about you next. The comments could be banging at your door next.. Why are you tossing stones when none of us were made to be perfect.. Better hope someone else dont through stones back. Its sad you all dont have something better to do with your time, then pass judgement.. You were never really asked.... "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:05 PM:

" ok let me see if I get this straight...
ladybug wasn't dating SM, she met him and wanted to. she doesn't know what he was doing in the park but is sure it was was for a noble cause. she acknowledges he was taking risks with the life and safety of others (for no justifiable reason and wouldn't have wanted her child to be there) but believes he is a good person who is just misunderstood.
conclusion - ladybug you are confused at best, please seek psychological counseling before moving forward with a relationship. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:04 PM:

" LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:58 AM:
BUT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I'D BE PRETTY SCARED IF SOME ONE WAS RAMMING THEIR VEHICLE INTO MINE. "

I'd be pretty scared if someone with a violent past and probably armed blocked me in. Ramming their vehicle so I could get out of the situation would definitely be an option. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:01 PM:

" hardtime wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:46 PM:
When i came into work today a car was looking at me funny, maybe i should have poped a cap in it.

Alright hardtime...you owe me one monitor cleaning for that little comment. I'm going to be laughing about that all evening, thanks! "

hardtime wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:53 PM:

" And it says NO SHOOTING IN THE PARK "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:51 PM:

" Here's your sign. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:50 PM:

" hardtime read my other posts they clearly state that he shouldn't have went about things the way he did. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:48 PM:

" wow you are quick to judge my parenting. and you don't have your facts straight. i don't hang out with shawn. i have had the pleasure of meeting him. also i have nothing to prove to people who like to post rude comments about a story they dont know squat about. i hope that God forgives you for all the judging that you do. i'm pretty sure he is the only one who should judge. "

hardtime wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Ladybug, the only facts "we the people" need to know is that this, off his rocker man went into an area filled with people to include kids and started shoot a gun. His reason does not matter his actions do. He was not defending himself or the safety of others. Unless you believe the parked car was trying to attack him. When i came into work today a car was looking at me funny, maybe i should have poped a cap in it. Guilty as charged.. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:35 PM:

" LOL!! You come on here talking about 2 sides to every story and how he was defending someone. Multiple requests for you to provide any insight as to that info and your response is "i don't know if i can give anymore information than the media has already told you. i'm sure they will give you all an update on whether or not he is guilty."

Wow. Bottom line, your buddy was the aggressor in this case, so his protection of others defense is pretty much out the window. Given his violent, criminal history I suspect your unsubstantiated claims are too. He is a menace and I hope they lock him up for a long time, if convicted. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:33 PM:

" I don't think you know a thing about this, or you would quit dancing around and spit it out. Your defending someone that a decent person would not hang out - with period. Especially someone with a child. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:28 PM:

" i don't know if i can give anymore information than the media has already told you. i'm sure they will give you all an update on whether or not he is guilty. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:25 PM:

" Bug - please tell us what your sources have told you. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:17 PM:

" OH AND I'M NOT MAD I JUST FORGOT TO TURN THE CAPS LOCK OFF AND DIDN'T FEEL LIKE RE WRITING MY POST "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:16 PM:

" ACTUALLY YOU DID NOT PO ME. I DO AGREE HE SHOULDN'T HAVE FLOWN OFF OF THE HANDLE AND DID THIS. I DO AGREE THE BULLET COULD HAVE WENT AND HURT SOMEONE ELSE. I DO AGREE THAT HE WAS IN THE WRONG. BUT YES THERE ARE TWO SIDES OF THE STORY AND YES POINT BLANK IT SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL LIKE IT DID. IF I DIDN'T KNOW BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY I CAN'T SAY THAT I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF YOU ON HERE. LIKE I SAID I DO HAVE A CHILD OF MY OWN. I DO WANT HIM TO BE SAFE. I DON'T LIKE ALL OF THE CRIME THAT SEEMS TO BE BUILDING UP IN JEFFERSON CITY. "

911oclock somewhere wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:09 PM:

" It's terrifying that some anus is coming to a skate park loaded with kids packing heat. I now have to decide if I want to risk my son's safety by letting him continue to play hockey, or consider other means to assure his safety.

If this sphincter was purpousefully (the article doesn't say) blocking another vehicle, hostile action was initiated by him, and shooting at a fleeing vehicle isn't making the rectum look too good either.

Ladybug, I ask you to give your "sources" version of the story. Enlighten me and our fellow posters to the "true" facts.

And just to add my 2 cents worth (adjusted for inflation) I have found casnet to provide extremely accurate information. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:09 PM:

" Yeah. If you have stupid tattooed on your forehead - here's your sign. "

watching2 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:06 PM:

" cont...
I don't give a rat's fuzzy behind where this happen, The facts are IT happen and this guy SHOT a FIREARM.
The guy snapped just like his record shows of in the past and it could have happen at a school, walmart or anywhere, the guy needs locked up PREIOD!

Ok said my peace on it and i don't give another rats fuzzy behid if i PO"d the ladybug! "

watching2 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Both sides or not the guy SHOT in a parked car!
What if there was a baby in a car seat or child in a seat belt an adult sitting there?? This is very close to a neighborhood by the way, A stray bullet could have went into a home or a child playing outside or a car going by. The fact is this guy shot a firearm around and AT someone!...
Ladybug you remind me of what some women say when they are married to an abuser (this guy has a record on that too! ). They defend defend defend EVEN when they know they are guilty! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Riddle me this. The jeep was already at the park. This guy drives up, with a loaded gun, and tries to prevent the jeep from leaving. He went looking for trouble. He found it, and he is going to pay the price. "

gofish wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:57 PM:

" LAYDBUG wrote " WELL I WILL TELL YOU GUYS. THERE IS ALOT MORE TO THE STORY THAN YOU ARE HEARING THROUGH THE MEDIA. DON'T JUDGE SO FAST. "

Please Ms.Bug, enlighten us with the details we are missing so we can understand both sides to this story. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:48 PM:

" So, tell us what your sources say. Please. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Odd that you can match up your sources information -but not match up someone's criminal history with recent events. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:43 PM:

" and no i have not spoke to the police b/c i was not there. i did not say i was there. the people who were there may have spoken to the police. idk. my sources were there and what a suprise both of their stories matched up. "

laydbug wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:35 PM:

" lumpsinthesandbox if you believe everything that you read i guess i can't help you. what the newspaper said is true but has a lot of details missing. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:31 PM:

" LAYDBUG - this is getting boring. Please tell us what you know and please don't try to defend this criminal. Unfortunately, since we can read, we aren't fooled. Since you have the facts, have you talked to the police? "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:28 PM:

" ok Odf i am done arguing with you like i said before you are intitled to you opinion. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:20 PM:

" So 3 years DOC for armed criminal action is deceiving? A guilty plea for domestic violence and 2 years probation is deceiving? Violation of your terms as a convicted felon and being on probation for possessing a firearm is deceiving?

Sorry, but it is you that is being deceived by Mr. Montague and then trying to deceive us as to how good of a person he is.

My mind is made up as to your claim of him being a good guy. I simply asked why you had the right to form a judgment but you think that I/we do not. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Laydbug - please tell us what the facts are. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:10 PM:

" and if you think that i want crime on the streets or in the park where i take my child. then you are a brick wall and no one will ever get through your thick skull. all i can say is i know what happened at the park that night, and i would call it self defense. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:08 PM:

" complete lack of facts? i KNOW what happened at the park that night. Where are you getting your information from? CASE NET? well i'll just tell you case net can be decieving. i don't know if thats the case for his record. "

cjs wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:26 AM:

" countercouple wrote: (cjs)Perhaps you could hold a candlelit peace vigil with the thugs. No hippy-dippy commentary will solve the issue..." I did not suggest it would. I'd love to see laws better enforced and crime off the street. That is why I suggested activism, the definition of which is: direct vigorous action especially in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue." If you can figure out a way to do that, run for office and I'll vote for you. Unless, of course, yours is the way of the vigilante. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Okay Ladybug, I have to ask you a serious question. Why is it okay for YOU to judge the guy (based on your personal connection and complete lack of facts) and post your judgment...but you don't think it's okay for me to judge him (even though my judgment is based on public record)? "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:06 AM:

" Your lack of really knowing people you hang out with or inability to accept facts about them does not make me mad at the world. LOL!! "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:06 AM:

" and no not everyone in jc agrees with what you all are saying "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:05 AM:

" Am I mad at the world? Hardly...but I do get sick of people like you trying to convince us that criminals/felons are the salt of the earth. If you want to believe that and hang with them, fine. But don't come on a public comment board, brag about how good of a person they are and not expect people to disagree with you when public records indicate they are the exact opposite of what you are claiming.
Dude is a convicted felon, is on probation for another violent crime, broke that probation by being in possession of a firearm, and opened fire at a skatepark frequented by kids. He is hardly the "nice guy" you want us to believe. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:05 AM:

" no i was unaware of that "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:02 AM:

" LADYBUG - do you realize all caps means you are yelling. CALM DOWN!
I think they know exactly what they are saying, and they speak for the rest of JC that want the crime to cease! "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:01 AM:

" OK GUYS...THIS GUY IS SOMEONE I HAPPEN TO HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING. SO IF THAT MEANS THAT I HAVE SOME KIND OF DATING RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM THAN SO BE IT. I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH THEN THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:55 AM:

" OK ODF GET A GRIP! ARE YOU MAD AT THE WORLD? DO YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO (RATHER THAN JUDGING PEOPLE)? "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:53 AM:

" I was just getting ready to say....there is always some chicky poo that stands by their man. Stand by your man....hm,hm,hm,hm.... "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:50 AM:

" Okay, I don't get it. Posters come on here and do their best to defend these criminals. Do they forget about case net, archives, vinelink...etc? The info they put out is fascinating - but why humilate yourself trying to defend the undefendable. (is that a word?)

This guy needs to stay locked up, laydbug. Let him round-out in prison so we will be safer out here on the streets. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Naturally....I highly doubt he had a permit given he's a convicted felon and currenly on probation. He would not be eligible to have legally owned a gun.

I love it when folks come on here telling everyone how great a convicted felon is, especially when convictions include violent crimes. Just becuase they haven't beat you up or shot you, YET, does not make them a "well-rounded nice guy". Get a grip and learn who you hang around with or you will be next. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:44 AM:

" boxer - I saw all those others too and I believe you are correct. Probably the same Shawn W. that was convicted of Armed Criminal Action and served time in DOC. Let's see, armed criminal action & 3 years in prison, protective order, domestic violence and currently on probation. Convicted felon of and currently on probation for violent crimes and he's running around JC shooting at folks. Yeah, real well-rounded nice guy. Protecting someone my "backside". I hope Cole County gets a clue this time and gives him some REAL time, then ladybug can visit her nice guy in prison. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:43 AM:

" LAYDBUG - This guy is a nut - he lost it. Bringing a loaded gun into an area where there are children is not tolerable. If there was an going problem between these drivers - they should have shot each other up somewhere more private.
Actions speak louder than words. If you think this guy is "well-rounded", you may need a psych reveiw. "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:38 AM:

" We ARE missing something, like he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn (or car). Maybe he should not have a permit! "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:36 AM:

" You are missing something....I believe this guy is originally from St. L. Look again, ODF. Protecting someone, ha!!!!!! Thats a good one folks. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:32 AM:

" THATS FINE ODF. YOUR INTITLED TO YOUR THINKING. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:23 AM:

" Being in possession of a firearm is a violation of his probation. Maybe a little jail time will do him some good and make him realize the laws are for everyone. Oh wait, this is Cole County...I'm sure it'll just be more probation and Mr. Montague will continue to ignore the rules placed on him.

Have I made mistakes? You bet. Have I made these mistakes: Protective order (and bolting from his job rather than being served), domestic assault, violation of probation? Nope.
Yeah, he's just a peach of a guy. "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:18 AM:

" According to the article, Montague has only been charged with unlawful use of a weapon even though he blocked the jeep from leaving the park, shot at the jeep, came back to the park and confronted everyone and then shot at a parked car. Obviously we ARE missing the rest of the story and it would probably be unwise to make assumptions. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:10 AM:

" ODF ARE YOU SAYING YOU HAVE NEVER MADE A MISTAKE? I DON'T REALLY CARE IF YOU HAVE IF YOU TREAT ME RIGHT I WILL TREAT YOU RIGHT. MY RECORD IS CLEAN AS A WHISTLE BUT DOES IT DO ME GOOD TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THOSE WHOSE RECORDS WHO AREN'T SO CLEAN "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:07 AM:

" WELL I WILL TELL YOU GUYS. THERE IS ALOT MORE TO THE STORY THAN YOU ARE HEARING THROUGH THE MEDIA. DON'T JUDGE SO FAST. "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:04 AM:

" Ladybug - but why would he put himself in harms way by BLOCKING another car from leaving?
I have no idea how all this played out and made him the victim. There has to be more to the story if he is. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Anyone that takes a gun to a skatepark, blocks another vehicle in and then takes the FIRST shot at someone is NOT my idea of a "well-rounded nice guy" or trying to defend someone, unless he was in imminent danger...which it does not sound like he was since he was the aggressor.

2007: Domestic Assault, 3rd degree, 2 years probation and now he's carrying a gun around, blocking vehicles in and taking shots at folks. Being on and then breaking probation does not qualify as "well-rounded nice guy"...but hey, if that is YOUR definition, so be it. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:58 AM:

" A couple of times a year there will be an out of place vehicle in the area, but all it takes is some taking notice of these people and they are quickly gone. However, having to take a gun TO the country to protect yourself from methheads is sure a change of circumstances from what most people are used to...usually it's protecting yourself from street crime. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:58 AM:

" I DON'T THINK HE INTENDED ON HURTING ANYONE. YES IT IS SCARY WHAT HE DID. I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING THIS GUY AND HE IS A WELL ROUNDED NICE GUY. HE WAS JUST TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF AND OTHERS. I MEAN WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF SOMEONE WAS RAMING THEIR VEHICLE INTO YOURS. MAYBE HE BROUGHT THE GUN JUST IN CASE OTHERS HAD THEIRS, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE WITH THEM ALSO. AND YOUR PROBABLY RIGHT "NATURALLY" HE MOST LIKELY DID NOT THINK IT THROUGH. BUT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I'D BE PRETTY SCARED IF SOME ONE WAS RAMMING THEIR VEHICLE INTO MINE. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:56 AM:

" boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:24 AM:
I have been down that road of dreading coming home. Its not fun. But these are NOT some backwoods meth dealers.

Don't underestimate the level of violence, tenacity or crime involved with the backwoods meth dealers. There was a time when I armed myself when I went TO the country to check on my parents' farm when they were out of town. With some stepped up patrols. replacing low-water gravel crossings with concrete bridges and the new OTC drug restrictions the # of meth labs along the gravel roads in that area is now down to about zero. "

ODF wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Montague came to the park and initiated action to block a vehicle in...and then he fired shots. Please enlighten us as to how initiating action is "protecting" someone. When you start the fight, you lose the right to self-defense, even if you believe you are doing the right thing in an effort to "protect" someone else. "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:33 AM:

" momof1 - I understand where you are coming from. I get the impression your kids haven't reached driving age yet. That is where I lost control with my first ones. We had driven in them a good set of values and morals that would help them in times they had to think on their own. I can't say they didn't make some mistakes but they were able to make good decisions when it mattered most.
I won't make the same mistakes with the younger ones, parental supervision should not stop when they get their drivers license, or they won't get it. As long as I am responsible for their actions I will be proactive. "

momof1 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:12 AM:

" I agree with kc911foryou, maybe if parents were more involved the crimes might go down. Granite, you're going to have thugs and crime no matter what but maybe, just maybe, if the parents supervise their kids at the park, those kids might not be partaking in the crimes! Call me overprotective but I won't let my children go and play anywhere outside of my home without parental supervision! "

naturally wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:40 AM:

" LADYBUG - yes, please enlighten us. Why would a grown man bring a loaded gun into a crowd of people and not expect it to end badly?
I can understand the protection instinct but not sure he thought this one through. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:25 AM:

" he was trying to protect someone??? Please explain. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:24 AM:

" I totally agree, its everywhere. My problem is gone or I would have moved. I have been down that road of dreading coming home. Its not fun. But these are NOT some backwoods meth dealers. Trust me, its only going to get worse before it gets better. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:20 AM:

" jeep was not some randem victom "

melbrooks wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:19 AM:

" Counter, I'm curious--who in local government did you ask for help?

See

cityratingdotcom/citycrime.asp?city=Jefferson+City&state=MO

According to this (2003) data, JC was a bit worse than MO as a whole for violent crime, and a bit better for property crime.

Boxer, I seem to recall you mentioning some drug dealers near you while commenting on a Russellville crime story. When drugs are in the mix, any small incident can become a shooting.

It seems crime is everywhere. "

LAYDBUG wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:17 AM:

" he was trying to protect someone "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:45 AM:

" And if you are who I think you are you don't EVEN live near JC, so walk in these peoples shoes. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:39 AM:

" By the way, I only wish someone would compile a list of the violent crimes in JC. Here are a few I recall....a drive by out by Helias High School, a knife attack on the East end, a shooting in front of a dialysis clinic, a shooting in the projects recently, and now this. OH yes, no one mentioned that some citizens were robbed at gunpoint in front of Prison Brews recently. How about the young girl that was robbed at Hy Vee?? I am retired and see what cruises your neighborhoods during the day, and its not something I would want to tangle with. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:19 AM:

" while holding your peaceful love in. PS - I am an old hippy, been there, done that but it sure didn't involve thugs. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:17 AM:

" I beg to differ with you cjs, you can escape it. Life is too short to have to live in fear like some people in JC do. Oh yea, if you live across town from this, maybe it might not affect you but trust me, its a disease thats going to creep up on you eventually. People that work in JC have options, that being all of the bedroom communities that surround the area. You want to tame these people, go right ahead because trust me, they come from a totally different environment than you and me. I could be wrong but I don't think this is your garden variety citizen. You might want to take your flak jacket.... "

countercouple wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:22 AM:

" CJS, your sophmoric attempt to comment on this issue is almost insulting to me. I've lived less than a mile from this area and it just keeps getting worse.

Perhaps you could hold a candlelit peace vigil with the thugs.
No hippy-dippy commentary will solve the issue. I'm taking the money I make out of Jefferson city and taking it to another community that has shown basic consideration for its citizens saftey and well being. No its not utopia but its better for me and mine. "

countercouple wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:06 AM:

" CJS Wrote: ...It is the times in which we live. Perhaps some form of (peaceful) activisim would be better than moving away...

Good people moving away IS our form of peaceful activisim. I've spent Seven years within a mile of this skate park. The conditions get worse and the local government...does.....nothing. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:39 PM:

" chances are, all this info was pulled from the probably cause statement filed. It typically has very sketchy details. Enough to get the guys held, but hardly a complete report. The PC statement is generally something the media can get their hands on. The completed report is another story. As such, I'm sure the details above are all they were given. Since its a criminal case in progress, specific details typically are not something that's going to be released to the public. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 22, 2008 8:05 PM:

" I agree, is this all the information released to the newspaper? It's really confusing. Was the jeep driver a random victim? Was there a feud between these drivers? "

kc911foryou wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:26 PM:

" There is a place for 40 year olds at the skate park; they're called parents. The greater the supervision of this park the fewer incidents we will have there. If your kid doesn't want to skate while you're there they are either one of the bad kids or they are embarrassed by your presence. If you are there supervising your kid the other bad kids will tend to leave because an adult presence intimidates them.

What's unfair is that all the good kids who go there to skate now have to worry for their own safety just by being in the wring place at the wrong time. "

cjs wrote on Sep 22, 2008 6:45 PM:

" FBI statistics indicate that the estimated number of violent crime offenses in 2007 was more than 1.4 million (1,408,337) offenses, a decrease of 0.7 percent over the 2006 estimate. Violent crime rates in all offense categories declined in 2007 when compared to 2006 rates. The rate for murder was 5.6 offenses per 100,000 inhabitants in 2007, a 1.3 percent decrease when compared with the rate for 2006. Our system might not be perfect, but it's what we have to work with. "

cjs wrote on Sep 22, 2008 6:44 PM:

" The 2007 crime rate was down in Missouri from what it was in the mid-90s. That includes murder, rape, and other violent crimes as well as crimes against property. Granted, it's disturbing to hear about this shooting as well as others in town. But you can not escape it, no matter where you go. It is the times in which we live. Perhaps some form of (peaceful) activisim would be better than moving away. "

naturally wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:26 PM:

" Its not ok to recklessly shoot in this manner. Too many potential unintended targets, and the targets chosen are just WRONG.
I'm with you though, What was that all about. "

pinky007 wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:22 PM:

" I am confused by a few things. 1. Why is a 40 year old at a skate park? 2. Why is another car ramming his car? 3. Since when is okay to carry a gun in a vehicle and shoot?

There is more to this story than the police and paper are willing to tell. "

naturally wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:06 PM:

" When we have shootings in my neighborhood, its good ole boy 1 blowing the cobwebs out of his 12ga, then you hear good ole boy 2(at least a mile away) one upping with his 30-0-6, then we one-up with the .44, finally down in the hollar' you hear the hermit blast off something and we don't ask.
I gripe about the commute but gotta love the country. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 22, 2008 4:59 PM:

" Funny, the mantra in here was "if you don't like it move". Hey, nooooo problem. I made that decision years ago and boy, am I glad I did. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 22, 2008 4:54 PM:

" Bad, isn't it? You won't be sorry you left. As for me, I will put up with a few good old boys as opposed to whats going on there. I am sorry people you can whitewash it all you want but there are big problems there. I think a townhall meeting with the police is in order before it gets worse. And to think that the ice rink is nearby. Bad. "

countercouple wrote on Sep 22, 2008 4:33 PM:

" That was me Boxer, I was,..obviously horriable wrong. I knew that drug dealers and prostitutes hung out there with the skate kids but jeez...shooting guns!

This skate park is within a mile of my house,....thank goodness I'm leaving Jeff city. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 22, 2008 3:54 PM:

" Well, now thats weird. If I am not mistaken, someone in the forum about the basketball court had just mentioned how safe this place was. "

gofish wrote on Sep 22, 2008 3:51 PM:

" 40 year old at a skate park??? That's wierd without the shooting. "

who wrote on Sep 22, 2008 3:45 PM:

" It looks like anger management did not work!! "

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