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Shooting victim dies, man charged for second-degree murder

Stephen L. Cook
charged in Friday night shooting

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By Jeff Haldiman
News Tribune

Published: Monday, September 8, 2008 4:03 PM CDT

The victim of an apparent domestic dispute died Sunday night from a gunshot wound and the shooter has been charged with murder.

Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson said Monday his office filed the second-degree murder charge against Stephen L. Cook, 48.

Cook also was charged with first-degree assault and armed criminal action for the shooting of Cornelius Williams, 33.

University of Missouri-Columbia Hospital officials said Williams died Sunday night as they were treating him for a gunshot wound to the left side of his neck.

Cook was arrested shortly after the Friday night shooting, which occurred about 6:12 p.m. at the Dialysis Center Inc., 144 Scott Station Rd.

Cook had been held at the Cole County Jail since Friday night.

No bond has been set in the case, yet.

Several witnesses contacted police after the shooting, including one who said they saw Cook shoot Williams while the victim was sitting in a vehicle.

Williams was the boyfriend of Cook's step-daughter, and the two men were said to have been in a week-long dispute prior to the shooting.

Police and members of the Missouri Water Patrol searched an area of Binder Lake this weekend because witnesses who had followed Cook from the crime scene believed they saw him throw something into the lake - possibly a gun.

However, no weapon has been recovered, so far.


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naturally wrote on Sep 20, 2008 5:38 PM:

" did they pull that story and leave the link or is it just my dumb browser?
The story said it was found on the other side of the lake than what the witness reported. So what did she see them throw in the lake? "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:37 AM:

" They already found the gun in a wooded area of the park. Thank God. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:29 PM:

" Well here we all are a concerned community. Anyone worried that they are having Wild West Days at BINDER PARK this weekend? Hope no ones child finds Stephen Cook's little gift to the community and gets hurt!
Parents be warned. And the ripple effect of crime keeps going. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:34 PM:

" Well if "YAY-YAY" wasn't dealin' the dope to his homies, he wouldn't be on casenet with the charges he had on him.

THUG. Done deal. No taxpayers dollars spent.

WIN! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:28 PM:

" kayla, Most of us post anonymously .... lest we are selves are looked up on case net. Interesting. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:16 PM:

" Lets define some types of ugliness: (1) Drug abuse. (2) Drug dealers. (3) Willfully unemployed. (4) Negligible support. Shall I continue? You would certainly find me cold hearted if you think any of these qualities are postive character traits. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:41 PM:

" Oh, please don't preach religion to me. I am pretty sure, from association, that a true christian does not wish others to go to .... . Also, you can bet I hate dealers. They profit by ruin peoples lives. Where does this fit in biblically? All though the commandments were not written in modern times, a christian person would not engage in these activities. Multiple, unmarried relationships, etc. Please don't bring G_d into this mans life at this late date. I fear it is to late. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:35 PM:

" I personally reserve my sympathy for those people who try to support their family (legally). For those people who don't willing try to wreck other peoples lives by selling drugs to them.... Like I said on another post, His record speaks louder than you or anyone else will. And that, my friend, should be a lesson to us all. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:31 PM:

" Rufus, etc. - I guess it boils down to this: Most of us are employed, hard working people, trying to safely raise our kids in this community. We are not impressed, nor particulary sympathic to (1) a young man who: apparently was unemployed - and simply liked to "bump and grind to the music", (2) had to be ordered to pay a measley $50 a month in child support as a condition to his probation, (3) had multiple drug charges, and (4) worst of all, charged as selling. We don't want dealers or users around us, our families, or children.
The fact that he apparently hung around with thugs and was murdered by a thug is case in point. No sympathy
here. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:31 PM:

" wow wrote " I'm voting for the team best able to help all Americans and unless something happens. In my view
the Rep are not who have my support."

I don't think Obama can do anythi ng but help himself. That is the only thing he has proven. McCain is tough and can handle proble ms. Problems would eat Obama for breakfast. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:29 PM:

" wow wrote "Americans have a pretty horrible past and that's a fact!"

Tell me a country that hasn't? "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:28 PM:

" Rufus, Evette, Lil'Rufus, & Jordan wrote "What kind of world do we live in anyway?"

That is the question we have been asking. Apparently some people have no answers and think it is just fine the way it is or was. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:24 PM:

" gofish wrote "The 30's New Deal was necessary to save lives and rebuild a bancrupt country....I blame the capitalists. Some business signed off on approving credit. If anything that's the Republican way."

The New Deal happened. It is debatable whether it was necessary. As for the problem being a Republican problem. Look at who took money from the failed organizations. Democrats including Obama, thats who. He is getting his economic advice from two of the folks that ran companies into the ground. McCain on the other at least proposed a fix back in 2005. "

wow wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:13 PM:

" 1.I hope the victims family finds some peace.

2.I don't hate America, my last comment was the hard truth about this nation. In spite of all the good things, America and Americans have a pretty horrible past and that's a fact! Those that don't accept that...well that's on them.

3. Everyone in this election has some skeletons in their closet's, just as all of us who are making
comments. None of us are perfect.

4. I supported Reagan, Bush1/BushII, but enough is enough. I'm voting for the team best able to help all Americans and unless something happens. In my view
the Rep are not who have my support.

Stay safe and have fun. "

Rufus, Evette, Lil'Rufus, & Jordan wrote on Sep 19, 2008 5:48 PM:

" I am personally SICK to my stomach about all of the negative bull---- written about my nephew!!!!!!!!! What kind of people could be so cold to assume that he was this kind of person or that kind of person. All of the ones who have supported the family and friends through this tragedy I want to THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart. All of the ones who want to talk about things they NEVER knew about and just think they know can go straight to ----! What kind of world do we live in anyway? God help all of you haters because you are going to need it. God does not like ugliness! "

gofish wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:11 PM:

" Byron W. wrote Our problems originate as far back as the 1930's when we started down this socialist road. Do you know why we have many of the problems we have today? Liberals refuse to drill for oil and liberals insisted that loans be given to people that couldn't afford to pay them back. "

The 30's New Deal was necessary to save lives and rebuild a bancrupt country. I agree that we should be drilling for every ounce of oil that exists anywhere near the USA. I think it's criminal that the tree huggers are winning this "war". As for the loans...I blame the capitalists. Some business signed off on approving credit. If anything that's the Republican way. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 19, 2008 2:30 PM:

" was referring to Wow as the angry young ....... ..... "

naturally wrote on Sep 19, 2008 2:27 PM:

" I'm not saying its right or wrong but why don't any of these discussions come up on the political section of NT? These are very good discussions and would compliment the political storys. "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:49 PM:

" I'm not angry. Just tired.

I'm helping to pay for six million people on welfare, and I cannot work any harder or longer to pay for more people that a democrat president and democrat congress would put on welfare.

Vote personal responsibility. Vote McCain/Palin. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:25 PM:

" no doubt obama is a liberal left winger dream for the social progressives, conservatives get out and vote "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:24 PM:

" boscoe
wow is an angry young........ well you know the rest of that phrase , it has become infamous , but it is a prevelant attitude that one is always being cheated and taken
advantage of and everyone not in this club is a discriminator
Wow, we can debate on who were the better presidents who were the worst, but you surely have to be kidding to say all 47 were bad. Many of these men led us through
severe economic times like the depression, world wars, communist threat, developed laws and programs we are still using today "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:48 PM:

" Gosh, Wow, you seem to HATE our country. Maybe you would like to live somewhere else if it is that bad for you here.
Some of us don't like the direction our country is heading. Due to the liberals, our country is being ripped apart, and decent, hard-working, hopeful people are being spat upon by those who want them to pay for everything as an entitlement from the government, but yet have the "freedom" to not be held responsible for any behavior. Barack Hussein Obama would be a very poor choice for president. He has no executive experience, and no stategy to implement his grandoise dreams. The democrat party would tighly control their little puppet in the whitehouse to make their leftist dreams-come-true. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:58 PM:

" gofish wrote "No thanks, we have Bush to blame that on!"

Our problems originate as far back as the 1930's when we started down this socialist road. Do you know why we have many of the problems we have today? Liberals refuse to drill for oil and liberals insisted that loans be given to people that couldn't afford to pay them back. "

gofish wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:33 PM:

" Byron W. wrote "It is people like you, wow, that are going to drive this country into disaster."

No thanks, we have Bush to blame that on! "

gofish wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:33 PM:

" Obama white? About as white as my tire smoke! I think ODF hit the nail on the head in stating "If a white brings up the race card then they are racist. If whites don't bring up the race card, then blacks play it in an effort to get sympathy or other special treatment." That has been 100% true of O's campaign and the whole I don't look like others propaganda. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:59 PM:

" naturally wrote "Se. Obama is as much white as he is black (if not maybe a bit more haveing been raised white)"

I think Obama would disagree with you. He has suurounded himself with African Americans in his provate life and he is an adherent to Black Liberation Theology "

ODF wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:29 PM:

" You're exactly right nospin (wow, did I just say that? LOL!). Many have turned on him because he won't tow the racist line and support their exaggerated claims and because he expects ALL people, including African Americans, to be responsible citizens. Being a responsible citizen is a shocking concept to some! "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:24 PM:

" sad thing is ODF, many african americans think Cosby is a traitor to his race , and Uncle Tom , because his rhetoric kills their racism cries, when simply he is just
trying to tell people take care of buisness , get a degree, get a job, take care of your kids , and be accountable to society "

ODF wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:10 PM:

" Did you feel that nospin? I think the earth just stood still for second!! LOL!!

I have always liked Bill Cosby, as a comedian. Seeing him in interviews and reading some of his stuff has given me a new respect for him. Here is an African American that has grown up seeing some truly racists actions, yet he's not afraid to call it like he sees it. He's also not afraid of laying blame squarely at the feet of young black men not stepping up to the plate where their children and families are concerned. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:42 PM:

" ODF, rarely and I do mean rarely , do we see eye to eye but your last post is right on!!!
I would be willing to say racism is 50/50 now , meaning as much on the african american side towards whites as there is whites towards african americans , because it has decreased on white america and has increased on the other side , I'm tired of it being used every day to define why something was not fair , yet can be used to define anything unfair on the other side . Listen to some our most influential african americans , such as Bill Cosby, Obama , etc etc and they are embarrasd how this has become a national cop out "

naturally wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:41 PM:

" I know, its the Hispanic! "

naturally wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:40 PM:

" Se. Obama is as much white as he is black (if not maybe a bit more haveing been raised white)
I'm no conspiracy theorist but doesn't it seem like something is stirring the racial divide again. Are the powers that be studying the Charles Manson doctrine?
I have to wonder who benefits from racial riots that may result. "

ODF wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:31 PM:

" That what is so crazy Ms. I - If a white brings up the race card then they are racist. If whites don't bring up the race card, then blacks play it in an effort to get sympathy or other special treatment. There is still racism in America I'm sure, but it's not as prevalent as NAACP and blacks want us to believe and if you pay attention, more often than not it's the blacks that raise the issue FIRST.
Now we're supposed to believe that if Obama loses it's because he's black. Never mind the fact that if he wasn't black he wouldn't eve BE a candidate. "

MsIndependent wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:01 AM:

" Look, along with the free pass because he's half black, Obabma gets a free pass on many things. Like drilling, hemmed hawed and then said I for drilling like McCain, if that was Palin or McCain, The John Stewart and Letterman's of the world would have rideculed him for it, but they didn't cuz he's black. Free vetting free primary season...cuz he's black. Now, now they wan't to play the race card, and try to use white guilt, well sorry black man, that may work in the leftest backrooms of the DNC, but those days are over in the real world. You have no record, sit down and take your beating in the fall, it's gonna be a good one. "

ODF wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Ahhh...here we go with the race card again. If Obama loses it'll be because he's black, not because there is a better choice. If logic and facts don't work, drag race into it.

Guess what wow, many people are voting for Obama ONLY because he is black...but I'm sure that is okay with you. Listen to the people being interviewed talking about how this is historic and they are voting for something that's never been done, etc.. It's quite clear they are voting for him only BECAUSE of his race, not because they believe he's the best candidate. Leave race out of it, but you can't. Just like Obama couldn't, he was the FIRST one to bring race into-the-election.-It-sure-wasn't-McCain-that-brought-it-up. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:40 AM:

" wow, Obama has he least expierence of anyont that has ever got a party nomination. Barrack himself is coorupt. He has friends that give him money for political favore. He is into pork barrel spending. He took money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and did nothing to prevent their problems which required a government takeover. It is people like you, wow, that are going to drive this country into disaster. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:37 AM:

" wow, I and few other level headed educated, tax paying, positive contributor's to society of all races/gender's actually believe that Mr. Obama could very win this election due to his race. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:51 PM:

" I judge a man by his accomplishments, not sure about you . "

ODF wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:50 PM:

" Being a good father is more than playing catch with the kid once a week or going to a basketball game. Being a good father means supporting your child, emotionally AND financially. It's not based on the AMOUNT of financial support but whether or not financial support is provided. It's about helping to provide a roof, heat, water, food, clothes, etc.. Picking up a child every other weekend and/or taking them to DQ after a game is not being a good father if they don't have a home as well as good food and proper clothing. Having a PO require payment of support does not spell "good father" in my book. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:51 PM:

" he should not have the answer would be YES but I can say this about the man he was willing to stand behind his family and friends and would give the shirt off his back to them. With that said would I ever condon him selling or using drugs NO...each of us have our own path in life that we have to deal with and then let God be the one who judges it later. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:49 PM:

" So we define the man by the amount of money he can pay for child support?? Wow by this standard my soon to be Xhusband is worthless but to his family he walks on water. A man or a women can be a good father or mother by showing love to their child. Having child support does help but it doesnt set the standard in a childs eyes. A man died by the hand of another and by no means does anything give another person the right to end the life of another. There is a child without a father, a mother without a son and family and friends suffering lets remember that and that alone. Did he do things in his life that.... "

ODF wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:47 PM:

" gofish wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:41 PM:
Can't do any worse" is the poorest excuse to elect an underqualified person I have ever heard.

Great point gofish. I had a post about like that typed out earlier and then decided not to post it. Using that type of logic, a vote for any candidate except the incumbent is a good vote.
If that is how soemone picks who they vote for, then I would rather they stay home and not vote. "

gofish wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:41 PM:

" wow wrote "As for Obama, he can do the job,so-vote-him-in-and-let-em-try.-He-certainly-cannot-do-any-worse-
than-the-47-other's-that-have-had-the-job!"

"Can't do any worse" is the poorest excuse to elect an underqualified person I have ever heard.

I was talking to a friend of mine last night who is still relatively new to the area. My comment was that "most" of the violent crime in JC can be linked to drugs one way or the other.

Either way, Conceal and Carry is my best defense against inadvertantly being in the wrong place at the wrong time. "

online_editor wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:21 AM:

" I removed some posts that seemed to be accusations against an individual that haven't been publicly reported. We have no way of verifying those in the context of this forum, and therefore remove them when we spot them to try to discourage abuse. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 17, 2008 7:30 AM:

" I agree Boscoe. This guy is nothing more than another statistic. Seems some people will never ever learn how to do right in society, nor do they want to it seems.

Next arcticle we see about a murder in JC, we will look back on this one and the waste it was. We'll see when the next drug dealer is killed I reckon.... "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:08 PM:

" I don't know what Obama has to do with this article, but I wonder if any good has come out of this whole event?

There have been a lot of posts here and still it seems that a couple of lives were wasted and no learning has happened and no change will occur.

A damn sad thing, you know? "

wow wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:40 PM:

" Does "they specifically stated that some/many Americans are not prepeared to vote for a black president" mean that only white people won't vote for Obama because of his race. I bet there are some Hispanics, Cubans, etc that won't vote for Obama either. Are they considered as being black or white?

The main issue is the victim dabbled in criminal conduct and that may have gotten him a bad reputation and may have played a part in getting him killed. I'm praying his child leads a better life and that his home-boyz chill out and start walking the straight and narrow.

As for Obama, he can do the job,so-vote-him-in-and-
let-em-try.-He-certainly-cannot-do-any-worse-
than-the-47-other's-that-have-had-the-job! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 16, 2008 5:02 PM:

" For our loved ones, the a clip out of the obit goes into the family bible. But I guess in some cases it could be flammable. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 16, 2008 4:57 PM:

" Or questioned by police. Still reeling from trying to sort out those posts. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 16, 2008 4:55 PM:

" joytotheworld - actually, they probably did not want to publish names in case they would be hauled into court. I certainly would not want my name in this one. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 16, 2008 4:45 PM:

" Wow.... just. Wow.

I didn't see his obit because "I didn't look in the right places" ? LOL... anytime a loved one of mine has died, we put an obituary in the paper where they lived to praise their accomplishments, tell a little about them, and let people know the arrangments.

Guess "YAY'S PEEPS" didn't have much good to say about him.

I've heard the same so i can see that. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 16, 2008 4:07 PM:

" futuremrsmcknight wrote "According to some people he was a bad guy because of his record. According to others he was a great guy because of the person he was."

The person he was created the rcord he had. How being this person can make him a great guy is at the heart of the problem. "

futuremrsmcknight wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:57 PM:

" And let the record reflect, when I say "her", I am referring to my relative that was close to him. The only person that could warrant this type of response to acts so vile. I love her and it hurts me to see her hurt. And I believe questions need answering, thats all. "

futuremrsmcknight wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:54 PM:

" keep talking about you, you will never be forgotten. "

futuremrsmcknight wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:53 PM:

" had. I love that someone could take a comment about a person who has a nickname and try to twist it like he had 2 personalities. When all people have been saying is that he was good to them. And he was never referred to as Cornelius when that was being discussed.
According to some people he was a bad guy because of his record. According to others he was a great guy because of the person he was. All I know is that I had something on my chest that I felt needed to be addressed and those that were supposed to get it, gotit. And those that are confused, well there you go. RIP CORNELIUS "YAY YAY" WILLIAMS, as long as they "

futuremrsmcknight wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:48 PM:

" Allow me to reintrodice myself. Apologies for any confusion. To clarify, Mr Cook was the shooter, the other was his wife who drove the car with her son in the car after Mr. Cook shot Yay. Judy is Yay's "girlfriend". I was saying Miss Judy in an antagonizing manner. Maybe I shouldnt have. Previously one of Yay's friends.family said that Yay Yay was a childhood nickname. As I suspect as he got older and engaged in certain activities the name took on another meaning and thats how I look at it. I never saw him "in the streets" or with his boys. I saw him with her and his son and that to me portayed Cornelius. Others knew Yay and saw the same qualities Cornelius "

mochick wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:30 PM:

" lumps, check out the Officer Funeral Home website. "

mochick30 wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:25 PM:

" lumps, check out the Officer Funeral Home website. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:32 AM:

" This was in the St. Louis paper:
Cornelius Williams
Williams, Cornelius 33, Sept. 7, 2008. Visitation Mon., 10 a.m. until time of service at 12 noon, Officer Funeral Home-Metro East Chapel. "

prushalyn wrote on Sep 16, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Joy to the world:
This isn't an obituary (of which one was NEVER put out for this man).

There was an obituary, you just don't know where to look for it. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:14 AM:

" amen joy,. but make sure you use it in right situation , not worth going to jail the rest of your life if its not necessary "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:05 PM:

" The race card has been played.

It's about thug gansters, nit race people! And yes, I too am on the conceal and carry bandwagon. I DON'T care if your white or black, you'll meet your maker if you mess with my family or property! "

ODF wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:33 PM:

" Very well said shiny...and you too, Byron. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:55 AM:

" ODF wrote "There was a lady of color commenting about the "Bubba vote" and how some whites are going to vote for McCain simply because they are not ready to vote for an African American for president."

And ther will be millions more voting for McCain because Obama has not proven he can handle the job. Obama is not ready, not now. McCain '08. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:53 AM:

" I personally don't think race is an issue for the vast majority of America's white population. There are obvious exceptions, but for the most part, I think everybody is just looking for quality leadership. I think race IS the primary issue for black Americans. Obama brings little to the table in terms of leadership, experience, etc., but he's black and for some, that's all that's needed.
I guess I just expect a little more from the leader of the free world. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:52 AM:

" wow wrote "After-this-election-has-ended-it's-my-hopes-this-nation-will-truly-be-deserving-of-the-name-The-United-States-of-America."

The united states will remain united. I, for one, am for disunion. The experiment has failed. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:08 AM:

" " FYI, regardless of the race of the shooter/victim this shooting was/is sad and a crime.

AGAIN!!! When was the race of the shooter ever an issue?!?! Race was injected into this thread by those that wish to divert attention from relevant facts.
He wasn't shot because he was black.
He wasn't a drug dealer because he was black.
BUT, apparently, at least some of the folks want to give him a pass for his actions ("because sometimes you've gotta do what you gotta do to get by) because he was black.
You're right. Racism exists in America, I see it most often from those that claim to be the victim of it. "

ODF wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:57 AM:

" wow wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:40 AM:
Furtehrmore Bubba does not specifically refer to a person's race, but I do understand how it was used in this issue.

True...just like rapper wannabe thug doesn't refer specifically to race.

However, as you indicated, it WAS used specifically to refer to whites because they specifically stated that some/many Americans are not prepeared to vote for a black president. So while "bubba" may not refer to race, generally, it WAS intended as a racial reference in this context. Beyond that, really, does anyone really believe that "bubba" is intended to mean anything other than a white, rural/country male? "

wow wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:40 AM:

" FYI, regardless of the race of the shooter/victim this shooting was/is sad and a crime. The guilty should be punished accordingly. Next,not every non American Anglo see's their treatment, be it good or bad as being related to a racial issue, even there is 100's of years of documented proof that race has played a part in how people were/are treated. Furtehrmore Bubba does not specifically refer to a person's race, but I do understand how it was used in this issue. Next, 47 W/men have been Pres/VP. of this nation and that my friends has been by design of those W/M in charge. No-matter-what-happens-in-this-election-America-is-going-to-B-changed.-Some-people-will-vote-for-McCain-Palin-some-will-vote-for-Obama-Biden.-I-only-hope-the-"Change"-is-4-the-betterment-of-all-American's-not-just-the-select-few-who've-enjoyed-generational-benefit's.-After-this-election-has-ended-it's-my-hopes-this-nation-will-truly-be-deserving-of-the-name-The-United-States-of-America. "

naturally wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:37 AM:

" shiny - I have to agree, some of the posts are not relevant to the story. I think some are posting comments to the comments but I don't know why there are posts to the deceased.
I think a lot of good points were made here though. Thanks for keeping up, if we all do that in our communitites (become involved and outspoken)we may get a better handle on the senseless violence. Until everybody is on board with that I'll continue to support conceal and carry. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:26 AM:

" Is the News Tribune delivered in the afterworld? Seems like there's a lot of messages to a dead guy like he's going to read them. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:18 AM:

" The truth of the matter is I couldn't give a #$%^ what color my candidate is. Its meaningless. A good tan doesn't make you any smarter or dumber than the next guy/girl. The idea that somehow by virtue of Obama being black, it makes him more in touch is indeed racist. If he represented conservative values, less intrusive govt and wasn't planning on being the designated looter for the libs, I'd have his sign in my yard. As it is, he supports causes that I do not.
(sorry. I really strayed off topic on this one!0 "

jcgurl89 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:16 AM:

" R.I.P YAYA you will be missed by lots
you didnt desereve to go like you did you were a good
man and the memories between us i will never forget!!!

I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU YAYA!!! "

ODF wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Look at the Sunday political shows yesterday. There was a lady of color commenting about the "Bubba vote" and how some whites are going to vote for McCain simply because they are not ready to vote for an African American for president. However, they failed to acknowledge that there is a certain % of minorities that will vote for Obama simply because of race. If whites do it, it's wrong, if minorities do it it's acceptable.
Oh and I loved the characterization of whites as "Bubbas". Gee, talk about your stereotyping and name association...but hey, it's the minorities so it's allowed. Talk about a double standard! "

ODF wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:24 AM:

" shinymcshine wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:19 AM:
bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:56 PM:
Nice try, biz, but show where that was EVER said in any post. THUGS were denounced. That's not race specific. They come in all colors.

You're exactly right shiny. What is so ironic is anymore it seems to be the minorities that are first to interject race into an issue, usually where it is not an issue at all. Why? Because they know it's a hot issue and they think it will make people back off if they're being accused of racial overtones. I think America as a whole is catching onto this little tactic though. "

ODF wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:51 AM:

" Friends & family of Mr. Williams have the right to come on here and heap praise on him all they want. Others have just as much right to address his criminal history and dispute how good of a person he is. That is the nature of a comment board. If you don't like negative comments (or a little thing called the truth) then don't come on here praising a criminal and trying to convince everyone hoow great he was. Maybe he didn't deserve to die like he did, many people don't. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 14, 2008 11:05 AM:

" I have a couple of no goods in my family. Not drugs, but still no goods. Family members have repeatedly tried to help them - but they don't want help. They don't want a job, they want it easy. I don't know how they think living in prision is a better way of life, but they work at it like a job. These people are not welcomed around me or my children. I call them scum of the earth. Blood relative or not. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 14, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Tolerating someone's life style is not accepting and ignoring the fact that they were or are involved in criminal activity. Activies that breed violence. Tolerance is accepting other peoples religious beliefs, cultural heritage, sexual orientation, etc.

As for my kids, they would respect you as human being with your own ideas. But if you spouted nonsense, then they would question you till they either understood or walked away in disgust.

For some reason, my kids think they deserve to grow up in a safe enviroment, so they can work towards their dreams. How dare they! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 14, 2008 10:50 AM:

" Mac1974 - Another off the wall comment by you. Reading books? Yes, I do read. Alot. A variety of books - have stacks all over the house. Want to borrow one?
How about something nice and easy by Gavin De Becker? This is a guy who grew up emersed in violence - and choose a better life.
If we want to live in a society where we aren't afraid of violence taking our loved ones away, then each and everyone of us had better make a stand. Who said if you aren't part of the solution, your part of the problem. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 14, 2008 10:03 AM:

" I think that Lump and other posters were speaking in a broader spectrum of how one persons bad relationship choices can have disasterous effect both on the family unit as well as the larger community as a whole."

Exactly. This is an article on a murder. This isn't an obituary (of which one was NEVER put out for this man). There are people saying that the community needs to stop glorifying drug dealers, and the others that are glorifying drug dealers. It's a discussion, some just can't handle it.

If it were an obituary, I wouldn't have commented on it. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Mac,
I've given my share of death notifications to families that had a loved one that got killed. Nearly always, it did not come as a shock to them. That's not to say they weren't saddened by the event. They simply knew that at some point, something was going to "get 'em".
I feel for families that have to deal with the poor life decisions their family members make. Whether it be alcoholics that get killed in DWI wrecks or thugs that get taken out by other thugs,family generally sees the risks far more vividly that anyone else. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 14, 2008 7:54 AM:

" there, sorry. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 14, 2008 7:54 AM:

" I think thats what ticked me off about this article. It was as "how dare you question any of this", when they are bullets flying in a parking lot of a dialysis clinic. "

countercouple wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:29 AM:

" I agree there have been some outlandish comments made about this incident but they have come both from local residents and from the victums family. The editor removed those posts and rightfully so.

I think that Lump and other posters were speaking in a broader spectrum of how one persons bad relationship choices can have disasterous effect both on the family unit as well as the larger community as a whole.

Right or wrong this family didnt live in a vacum. A stray bullet from this incident could have killed a innocent bystander in this crowded complex and we the local community have right to voice concern. "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 14, 2008 1:34 AM:

" I'm actually somewhat embarrassed that I even partook in this thread.

I have a question for you. If you were the mother, father, sister, or child of the deceased and you read the Sep 11, 2008 2:02 PM post in this thread, how would you feel?

I truly understand many of you are so livid with the system that you'll disrespect a dead man to make your point, but really, how would you feel if this man was your kin? Where I come from, we draw a line. "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 14, 2008 1:24 AM:

" ~~~~~~" I thought I had enough of this, but I still can't believe some of these posts~~~~~

Don't worry, that's just a side effect from your raging case of xenophobia, lumps. The good news is that it's not incurable. Just pick up a book every once in a while and one day you'll be rid of it.

;) "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 14, 2008 1:16 AM:

" ~~~~~Mac1974 - sometimes I wonder what kind of head injury you sustained that makes you think like you do~~~~~

What's with the head injury comment, lumps? Is that what you say to people in person when you disagree with them? You talk about teaching your children respect. Do you teach your children to make comments like that to others? "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 13, 2008 9:57 PM:

" I thought I had enough of this, but I still can't believe some of these posts. Bizil wrote: "If some of you people had any tact and class you would comment on the dangers of violence in general instead of looking for a scapegoat for all of society's ills." Hello? I think it has been fairly well documented that illegal drugs destroy lives - and I won't mourn someone that was a seller. I will however, applaud someone who pulls themselves up, works an honest job, and obides by the laws. If your too busy working and taking responsibilty for you and your family, chances are you aren't going to be risking your behind on illegal activites. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 13, 2008 9:20 PM:

" Mac1974 - sometimes I wonder what kind of head injury you sustained that makes you think like you do. Or don't. --- Do you really want drug users and dealers weaving your social fabric? Providing education to your children, medical services, legal counsel, protecting your country, or manufacturing your luxuries? Like food, shelter, clothing.

Not me. Nor mine. I want my social fabric woven by socially responsible people. The people that really are good. That I can't read about on case net. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:54 PM:

" I work a full time job, and those deductions from my paycheck are used up by people living off the state. They will not get a job, they use tax payers money to support their children they act so proud to have, and the honest workers out there are feeding them. The only thing this guy did, employment wise, was to keep law enforcement officers, public defenders, and judges honestly employed. No matter how you or anyone else tries to defend him, his record speaks louder than you ever will. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:44 PM:

" bizil & missjuice25: I'll tell you what makes his lifestyle my business. I am trying to raise children. I want them to grow up respectful and responsbile, and safe. Buying, using, and selling drugs perpetuates violence...example: getting shot. This may not have been a drug deal gone wrong, but when you hang around violent, criminal minded people; what do you think is going to happen? He should have died an old man, living off his retirement, with his grandchildren at his knees. But he wasn't headed that direction, was he? "

jccitizen wrote on Sep 13, 2008 3:55 PM:

" I know of Ya Ya dont know him personally but what i do know is he did carry a gun in his car sometimes. He has brought it out in public. How do we know that he didn't show the gun to the step father?
In regards to all the other comments about how good yaya was or if he was a good father or if he had multiple felonies.. who cares. Concerned citizen of JC wants to know the facts....why did this crime happen and not speculations. I want to know was it over drugs or was it because someone was high off drugs and didn't like him dating his daughter or what. "

jccitizen35 wrote on Sep 13, 2008 3:19 PM:

" I know of Ya Ya dont know him personally but what i do know is he did carry a gun in his car sometimes. He has brought it out in public. How do we know that he didn't show the gun to the step father?
In regards to all the other comments about how good yaya was or if he was a good father or if he had multiple felonies.. who cares. Concerned citizen of JC wants to know the facts....why did this crime happen and not speculations. I want to know was it over drugs or was it because someone was high off drugs and didn't like him dating his daughter or what. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:40 AM:

" CJCM wrote " Bizil:
We can talk about Ya and tell how good of a person he was with everybody until we are blue in the face but its like talking to a brick wall. I thought I posted a halfway decent comment and asked for suggestion to change things and wrong move. People gave me more negative comments."

Negative comments? No, more like comments you don't agree with. I said this:

"So a short answer to how do we stop this is that people need to take on responsibility for what THEY do, and not do it because it's "cool" or is what everyone else is doing."

How is that negative? "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:23 AM:

" I agree shiney. It's BEYOND race people!!! If people try to play the race card, your doing it to the wrong person, race doesn't matter. So all you Jackson/ Sharpton's on here can stop with that right now. It wouldn't matter if it were a white guy that had this record.

GOOD riddence!!!! "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:19 AM:

" bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:56 PM:
I brought up race when people on this forum were stereotyping all young black men who wear their clothes a certain way and are labeled as "killers or thugs" that want to harm people.

Nice try, biz, but show where that was EVER said in any post. THUGS were denounced. That's not race specific. They come in all colors.
You brought up race because its a hot button and tends to make people back away from a topic. It doesn't work with me. Thugs are thugs. Color is irrelevant. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Boxergal-

I know the conversation here has changed, My statements are still directed to the actual incident while the others have morphed into something else. I Spoke to the Police investigators after he passed. But I have to say not many here seem to think it would go anywhere. Looking back i feel for the girlfriend in the car. Witness to murder, boyfriend dead, family responsible. These actions change everyone involved for life. Does anyone know how she is doing? It also seems that if the victim had family they would have at least gotten with the mortuary to produce and obituary, that is odd. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 13, 2008 7:44 AM:

" CJCM said:"Be glad you left Jefferson City because as you can see nothing changes. "

Well, we are getting more killings, so it is changing somewhat. If people don't take resposibility for what they do, it will only get worse.

GET RID OF THE THUG MENTALITY!!!

Poor Little Yay probably inherited the family business unfortunatly. :( "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 11:25 PM:

" shouldn't have killed him, but if his former girlfriend is to be believed, he was not who you'd want to be dating anyone you cared about. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 11:23 PM:

" What's most disturbing to me is the one dimensional view they have of a "friend". As long as he didn't screw they over directly, he's a great guy. He didn't short some customer on his 8-ball. He's a SAINT!

No one should die a violent death, but most of us live a life that reduces that risk dramatically by not associating with thugs that have violent tendencies.
When you engage in risky behavior, you up the chances of getting smoked. His risky behavior may have been nothing more than dating a crazy person's step daughter. Then again, after hearing from a former girlfriend, maybe he wasn't so crazy to not be a fan of Williams. (cont) "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 11:01 PM:

" Feel free to read my posts again. NEVER did I refer to "young black males". YOU may have filled in the blanks and assumed something, but I assure you, "young black males" don't have the monopoly on moronic behavior. They have their share certainly, but they aren't the only ones.
YOU made the leap to assume it was black males that was being talked about. "

Ja50np wrote on Sep 12, 2008 11:01 PM:

" If you ask a bunch of hood rats what makes a person respected in their circle, then it tends to revolve around how much dirt a person can get away with without being caught or how the person won't snitch on others. The thing that they don't understand is that same person will steal from them and help them look for what they lost or sell drugs to someone who just pawned their kids Christmas presents. Some people need a role model.

What was it again that made this fella a stand up guy? "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 9:32 PM:

" Hey sqrlyb - have you contacted the prosecuting attorney about this? I wrote a formal letter one time in defense (believe it or not) of someone that had charges filed against them. I actually got a letter stating that they couldn't make comments on the case but that they would take my remarks into consideration. I would call or write if you feel so strongly about this. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:19 PM:

" As the Editor said earlier, we should call a truce about our faithful departed. Agree that we disagree

This isn't an obituary, it's an arcticle about a murder. The murder of a drug dealer. This has NOTHING to do with racism.

PEOPLE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS AND STOP WHINING!!! "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:04 PM:

" The past explains our relationships, our attitudes, who we associate it with and why things are the way they are today, its called history my freind and thats why we study it, becaue it explains whats going on currently "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:03 PM:

" bizil.. he was good because we said so . r y kidding me thats your way of promoting your frinds character
cause I said so ????? Thats second grade stuff right
there. Ok I beleive he was agood guy cause bizil said so. Glad we have that settled, that was easy . I do not want to bash anyone involved here but its ridiculous for people to believe everyone involved in this whole deal was clean as awhistle the last 1o years
many on here have already said they knew the victim said he had past drug convictions, and the accused too.
What ydo you meant he past has nothing to do with the present? "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:40 PM:

" I think a second degree charge sounds like something Cook agreed to when facing the possibilty of dying for a first degree charge. And why if you drive a gunman to a bank and he robs it the DRIVER is guilty of robbery as well (Term/wheelman I believe), is the driver not guilty here? She looked pretty kicked back to me. Like she was not worried about the gunman hurting HER. I am playing this over and over and it just does not wash that she is not being charged. WAY GUILTY black or white, day or night. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 12, 2008 5:49 PM:

" bizil wrote Byron it shouldn't be a race issue but it's turning into one.

I think race is just confusing the matter. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 5:39 PM:

" boxer gal it was just directed to certain people not you. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 5:26 PM:

" I hope I didn't offend. I just wanted to know why there was such a following. I am intrigued. Was it how he treated the neighbors? Or how he as with kids. Or would he give you the shirt off of his back? If so, its a real tragedy he had to die so young. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 5:01 PM:

" A lot of you haters on here have some nerve asking people who knew Ya why was he a good person. Cause we said so that's why! If some of you people had any tact and class you would comment on the dangers of violence in general instead of looking for a scapegoat for all of society's ills. You haters should have asked how was he as a person first instead of just attacking him right off the bat. Then when Ya's friends stand up for him then you want to know why he was a good person. Like I said he was a good person because we said so, you haters don't deservce to know why! "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:52 PM:

" Byron W. wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:23 PM:

" this is not a race issue, bizil. "

Byron it shouldn't be a race issue but it's turning into one. If people are giving their own opinions on violence and drugs in general then fine. But to lump it all in and make Ya out to be the devil is just wrong. That's why myself and others are beginning to think that there is more to this than just stating an opinion. All the people who came on here to either a) pay their respects to him and his family or b) have a healthy discussion about why these things happen are on here for the right reasons. "

naturally wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:48 PM:

" you think this is tough, you should have seen the discussion last week on the drugged out killer (white I might add) that got the death penalty last week. "

naturally wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:44 PM:

" This thread started out just saying good bye and then went into wanting the maximum sentence for his killer. Both good agendas. The underlying question is how are you going to get maximum sentence unless you can convince a jury that society has lost an asset.
Yes this is a tough crowd, if you are truly going to help prosecution then you'd better get ready for tough.
If the killer was a cold blooded thug we all want the max and then some. What we want most is fairness. "

CJCM wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:38 PM:

" Bizil:
We can talk about Ya and tell how good of a person he was with everybody until we are blue in the face but its like talking to a brick wall. I thought I posted a halfway decent comment and asked for suggestion to change things and wrong move. People gave me more negative comments. His true friends knew what he was all about and still accepted him. His true friends new that he spent more than $50.00 per month of child support for his only son. Ignore everybody, but pray for them. Yas true friends knew that nobody lives a perfect life.
Be glad you left Jefferson City because as you can see nothing changes. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:38 PM:

" Also, many of us are sick of all the crime, drugs, murders, rapes, burgleries, robberies and other stuff that has come to Jefferson City. We never had this much stuff in the past- why is it exploding?

Why do we have street people- we've never had them before a few years ago?

Why do we see all these people getting picked up for crimes and most of them dress like gangsters and thugs?

Why do all the "innocents" also act and dress and talk like thugs too, but then they complain that they are being held down by others? "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:27 PM:

" MissJuice25 wrote "His way of life may not have been right but if this was a person you cared for would you want others bashing them?"

I would expect the person to be bashed. And they would deserve it. That people think they should be let off the hook is one reason the downward spiral continute. "

MissJuice25 wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:26 PM:

" ODF-"What it says to me is the STATE was probably providing for his child...and probably him and his baby's mama too."

My post was messed up but this goes with what i posted first. this is supposed to be first. Now ODF do you know his son's mother? Well I do she is a personal friend of mine. She takes care of her son and the rest of her children very well. Who are you to comment on her? You don't know her and she has nothing to do with this forum. This is based on Mr. Williams and how he passed away. This has nothing to do with that subject "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:23 PM:

" this is not a race issue, bizil. "

MissJuice25 wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:21 PM:

" at all. Now you may think what you want about his past and everything else. But ultimatly this young man did not deserve to die in such a horrible mannor. Not you may not respect what his lifestyle consisted of but who are you to judge? Your not GOD nor did you even know him. Choose your comments wisely... And keep to the topic! Respect the family and friends of this victim. His way of life may not have been right but if this was a person you cared for would you want others bashing them? Exactly! "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:17 PM:

" Anybody can be predjudiced ODF! Unfortunatly there is no law against being predjudiced. I'm talking about institutional racism that was happening just 40 years ago. A person 40 years old is still relatively young so it wasn't that long ago. We still feel the effects of it today, even though it's gotten better. White people in this country will never go through the institutional racism that black people went through in the past. There were laws saying it was illegal for blacks to read! Just 40 years ago there were bathrooms labeled COLORED! It still exists, it's just more under wraps because a lot more Americans won't tolerate it. But it is still here! "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:09 PM:

" ODF i wasn't ignoring his history. I'm merely saying he didn't deserve it and isn't the bad person that he's made out to be. If there were posters on here denouncing violence in general then great I'm all for it. But the personal attacks on Ya need to stop. If u knew him personally and feel he did u wrong at some point then thats between Ya, yourself, and God. Im not talking to u. I'm talking about people who didn't know him or the situation and are stereotyping. Im not a thug either by the way ODF. Im an educated black man with a college degree who knew Ya as well. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:04 PM:

" All the people that knew Ya just wanted to come on here and pay our respects. The first couple of comments posted on this forum a few days ago were all out of respect and love. Where did all the negative stuff come in? This situation from all accounts wasn't a drug dispute so why do people have to take it there. He did not deserve to die like that and that is the issue. Why aren't people grasping that. It's really sad that people came on this forum in peace and get attacked for trying to shed light on the man and his good traits. He's gone so what do u expect us to do? "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:01 PM:

" oops...should have been "self-professed".... "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:43 PM:

" bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:33 PM:
A lot of people have been saying if you acknowledge the good the you have to with the bad. That could be said of all of us.

But we aren't all in the newspaper as a murder victim and then have a bunch of folks (some of which were self-processed thugs) jumping to our defense and ignoring the history. Also, a lot of the comments regarding Mr. Williams could be disputed...such as how good of a father he was, considering his record. Being a good father means more than playing catch and paying $50/month support because your PO makes you. It's also about making sacrifices & setting an example. "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:33 PM:

" boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:02 PM:
Unfortunately Bizil, it does still exist. And will always exist is some form whether being predjudiced against black, hispanics, chinese, native american and so on.

Uh, let's not forget prejudice against whites either. That certainly exists as well. Population report expects whites to be a minority within a few years. Which makes me wonder...will we see Equal Employment and Affirmative Action laws change to protect whites? "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:33 PM:

" When people say Ya was a good person we say it because thats was our experience with him. A lot of us have done things we shouldn't have done, but something needs to be said with treating others the way you would want to be treated. A lot of people have been saying if you acknowledge the good the you have to with the bad. That could be said of all of us. Despite what anyone says he didn't deserve to die like that and that's the bottom line. People who get so negative and way off topic in this forum have their own agenda and don't really care or understand. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:23 PM:

" lumpsinthesandbox did he deserve to get killed though? That's the issue here. Let's focus on that please. See that's what im talking about. That had nothing to do with him being killed! There were three reasons I posted on this forum 1) to send my condolences to his friends and family, 2) denounce senseless violence, and 3) to let people know he was well thought of by a lot of people. Then people like me and others that knew him get bashed and hated on for pointing out the good qualities in the man. If you don't know the man then why do some of you people talk like u do and stereotype him and the situation? "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:21 PM:

" Agreed Bizil. You seem like a smart, caring person. Too bad there aren't more people like you. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:15 PM:

" Once again boxer gal well said. ODF I agree with u in the fact a lot of the time people dont have goals and ambitions and all that matters is the fast life. In my opinion and a lot of others there was way more than that to Ya. If some didn't see it or didn't know him thats their choice. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:12 PM:

" Yes, $50.00 a month in child support, as a condition for probation, is certainly the defining character of a good father. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Boxer gal you bring up some good points and I can tell you have a positive attitude. We can all agree to disagree in a respectful and tactful manner. Lets show respect for Ya and his loved ones in this time of grief. For all you people that continue to sterotype and jump to conclusions then you are doing everybody a disservice. I don't condone criminal activity and we're all responsible for our own actions. A lot of us just want people to know there was a lot more to Ya than just the sterotype BS that is put on young black men a lot of the time. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:06 PM:

" With that I am done. Again my condolences to the family. And again I would love to know more about this man. But this article is not just about Mr. Williams. Its about a hideous crime that was committed in this community so please don't expect people to just keep the subject matter on Mr. Williams because it goes way beyond that. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:02 PM:

" Unfortunately Bizil, it does still exist. And will always exist is some form whether being predjudiced against black, hispanics, chinese, native american and so on. "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:59 PM:

" bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:46 PM:
Don't bash them as thugs with no goals and ambition.

But some are and that's all others aspire to be. They see the $$, the cars, the bling, the women that comes with dealing drugs or being a street thug and that's what they want to do. Most that don't want to be in that place and try hard can escape it...those that don't, won't. "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:56 PM:

" bizil - I could be wrong, but I did not see anyone bashing posters, on the comments, except for the one guy that was going to "burn one" for Ya. The posts I saw were simply responding to the praise being heaped on someone that in some's minds did not deserve such high praise. I could have missed some posts or maybe some got deleted, but I don't recall seeing any attacking posters, just their ideas.
If this was truly a domestic issue, as it appears to be, then I agree that your friend died a needless death. Prayers for his son! "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:56 PM:

" Well naturally I do still see racism. You might not and thats good for you. But you can't deny that it still doesn't exist. Im not using race as a crutch to do wrong either. I brought up race when people on this forum were stereotyping all young black men who wear their clothes a certain way and are labeled as "killers or thugs" that want to harm people. I also said its due to the fact that a lot of posters automatically assumed this was about drugs not a domestic dispute. My main point is Ya didn't deserve to die like that. All BS aside that's what matters. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:55 PM:

" I am truly not bashing anyone, I just want the violence to end. This is not some carry over from East St. Louis. Its not a game. I sometimes wonder if people from E. St. Louis move here because its easier. I have been in that city and I know how scary it can be. Do they come to JC to survive? Is it an easier lifestyle? I am sure the city welcomes each and every one of you but please put the guns away. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:55 PM:

" just like you chose college, they chose the route of being a criminal. Did life hand you the degree? No? Huh! Me either. I paid for every dime of my degree and believe me, there was nobody begging me to take a job when I got it.
Thugs CHOOSE to be thugs and those that make excuses for them are enablers. Hold them accountable and don't tolerate criminal behavior. Everybody wins there. "

prushalyn wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:55 PM:

" I posted earlier this week on the demise of my good friend YaYa. I have only this to say now, IT IS NOT OUR PLACE TO JUDGE HIM, IT IS GODS. Since YaYa is with him now, or at least in front of him,let God be the one to judge him. YaYa himself has to answer for the things he did here on earth, noone else. Simple fact is... a young father died, a mother lost her son, and the family is suffering already without having to read all of this. Mom always told me, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Maybe some of you posting on this website should think on that,while this family grieves in peace. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:53 PM:

" I am glad you said that naturally, cause I think JC is probably one of the less prejudiced places there is. Like I have said before, I lived in a city where there was a north side and south side. Even the Jewish weren't allowed in the local country club until the late a 60's. Having a black family to your home could honestly mean a cross burning in your yard. So I am quite miffed on this discrimination thing around here. It boggles my mind. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:46 PM:

" Im a young black man with a college degree so I know that if you apply yourself you can make great things happen. But that's the route I chose to take. Some people grow up in unfortunate circumstances at a young age that begins a cycle that's hard to get out of. Instead of negative energy to break the cycle lets use positive energy to break the cycle. Don't bash them as thugs with no goals and ambition. Lets try to understand the problem first then react. A lot of people are just reacting without knowing the person or the situation. "

naturally wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:44 PM:

" bizil - BTW I am a minority, still don't see discrimination "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:37 PM:

" I would love to hear about Mr. Williams and his untimely demise. What made him special? "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:37 PM:

" I can understand people not condoning violence and drugs. We all want to live in safe communities and that's the way it should be. But people on here that are bashing Ya's friends and family for remembering him on this post are wrong. If you are bashing violence then great. If you are bashing drug dealing then fine, but just apply it to situations when that was involved. In this unfortunate situation it seems to be purely domestic so lets focus on that. We all know people that we like a lot but we might not agree with all their decisions. But with these people there is more good than bad. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:36 PM:

" as long as race as used as a crutch to justify improper behavior, the cries of racism will continue. After all, if its not race, the person themselves might have to take responsibility for their actions, and lord knows, we can't have that! "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:32 PM:

" I am far, far from small minded. In fact, I put my son in a black owned day care in JC. I loved the people dearly as they truly helped raise him. I understand the dynamics of racism. And may I say that JC is far from being a racist community. Its highly diverse and I believe everyone gets along pretty darned good. "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:31 PM:

" Simple minded? Why because we refuse to believe that a person is forced to be a criminal to survive? There are all sorts of opportunity for ANYONE that wants to put out the effort. However, for those that want to emulate the criminal element and rappers, then their futures will be limited to crime and prison, as it should be.
The excuses are over...the US has a black as a presidential candidate, so your cries over overwhelming racism has run it's course. There are still pockets of it for sure, but overall, the man isn't keeping the African-American down anymore. So what's the next excuse for folks not to step up and be responsible? "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:28 PM:

" Agreed Bizil. Now tell us what made him so special. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:28 PM:

" I actually know of a Williams family in JC. What was his mothers name? "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:27 PM:

" A lot of the posters on here wanted to come on here in a peaceful manner and remember Ya. I'm not making any excuses for anything he did. I'm just saying he didn't deserve to die like that. If you look at my first post that's what I was trying to convey. Then I get attacked for saying he always treated me with respect. Those are the two things I talked about initially. As far as the racial dynamic it's complicated and I'm sorry that it even came up. But for those that think racism still doesn't exist you're crazy. It's just hidden more and it's shown by some of the comments by people on this forum. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:24 PM:

" Hey, I'm not a racist. I don't like ANYONE that preys on others and then wants to play victim. That's not a black thing. It's not a white thing. Its a thug thing and they come in all sizes, shapes, and colors.
Quit making excuses for inexcusable acts. As long as crime is tolerated by so-called educated people, it will flourish. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:17 PM:

" Now I see I'm catching a lot of heat for my comments. I see a lot of folks in Jefferson City are still simple minded. When it comes to the dynamics of racism unless you are a minority or have our back on the issue you are not qualified to talk about it. We LIVE it everyday. Boxergal I'm not talking about people like your dad. I'm glad he hired the first black man for his company. I'm not condoning how Ya made money. I'm just saying he's not the bad person he's made out to be either. He made mistakes like we all have, but he didn't deserve to die like that. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:14 PM:

" No opportunities? You're right, if you want to be a thug! If you want to even half way try to be responsible, you've got far more access than I do.
There's a HUGE push for minority hiring in police work. We just can't find anyone that either WANTS to do it, or hasn't got a background that lends itself to policework (read: criminal history).
There's no push to get white males, I assure you.
You've got as much potential as you're willing to work for. Your buddies may tolerate crime, but the rest of the free world doesn't and shouldnt be expected to. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:14 PM:

" I want you all to tell me about Mr. Williams. There was no obit. Please explain some about his life. He seems to be well liked, almost like a cult following. Did he attend school here? Did he have family here. Why was he so well liked? Here is your chance. "

blkpag1 wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:12 PM:

" I just want to know how anyone knows that this domestic dispute was not because of drugs or his lifestyle? "

naturally wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:11 PM:

" As the Editor said earlier, we should call a truce about our faithful departed. Agree that we disagree. "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:10 PM:

" There is NEVER an excuse for being a career criminal and living off the system. Yeah, I know folks that have taken the low road at times to support their family, but it was not a way of life. All that is a cop out, period, and everyone including yourself knows it. Robin Hood took from the rich and GAVE to the poor...I seriously doubt your buddy ever gave anything to anybody, let alone his child, or there wouldn't have been nonsupport charges. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:10 PM:

" and be proud of himself. No one keeps you down but yourself. There is no need to deal drugs, steal or what have you to get by. I am not sure I understand this statement from someone that obviously is smart enough to know better. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:10 PM:

" Like I said I'm not turning a blind eye to anything. I'm just saying that Ya didn't deserve this and that drugs weren't at the root of this. There are lots of cases of people that did wrong but turned their life around for the good. Hell Barack Obama was on TV the other day saying how he used drugs when he was younger. You said drugs mess up lives and often times they do. But they're are other examples of people who turned their lives around. Rememeber that during Mr. Obama's inaguration speech in January. The man who did this horrible act did it over a DOMESTIC situation, not a DRUG situation. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:09 PM:

" Ok, now I have to say it. You have to do wrong sometimes? You aren't given a chance? I beg your pardon? I know many white people that graduated from college only to end up working for well below what they are worth. So are you saying that its OK to do what you have to do in todays society to obtain enough money? Hogwash. THE man is not keeping you down, contrary to your belief. My father was a mgr. with a major computer corp. He hired the first black man in the US to work for them. You know why? Because the man was willin to work his rear off for them and... "

naturally wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:07 PM:

" bizil - your racism claims are unfounded and keeping your "brotha" down. There are the same opportunities for those who really want them. Its when people segregate themselves by trying NOT to fit into the professional culture they find it hard to be accepted. When you speak a different language, refuse to educate yourself, and dress like a rapper the jobs are not going to land at your feet. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:57 PM:

" Shiny I'm a young educated black man so my game is nice. You're the one injecting race by jumping to conclusions and stereotyping. You're steadily talking about drugs on here when this is really about an untimely murder that had nothing to do with drugs. How do u expect a lot of us to react when we knew Ya. We are just standing up for him, not condoning everything he did in life. In this forum you need to talk about stopping the violence because that's what the case is here. Ya wasn't even a violent person to begin with. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:52 PM:

" Bizil
UNDOUBTEDLY, the DUMBEST thing I've ever heard!!!!
Holy COW!
"I GOTS to be a criminal! I got no other choice!"
Unbelievable!! "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:50 PM:

" Its apparently ok to turn a blind eye towards criminal activity as long as "he was cool to me". Evidently, you can ruin other's lives as long as "you're cool with me".
Pathetic! "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:48 PM:

" Shiny I gotta say you are a character! Child molesters, rapists, and murderers are the scum of society. You putting a good man like Ya Ya (I said good, not perfect none of us are) in the same category as Jeffrey Dahmer or the Menendez brothers. A lot of times young black men aren't afforded the same opportunities as others. We want to do well for ourselves, but due to the dynamics of racism and not wanting to give people a second chance sometimes we do things to support a family and get by. Like Robin Hood you gotta do wrong sometimes to do right. It's just reality. To each there own just try not to harm anyone else. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Don't talk out ya a** on here! Did a brotha take your girl back in the day or somethin'? Get a life and step your game up.

You might want to consider taking your own advice!
This ain't about race, "brutha". Its about lifestyle and poor choices. Don't try and muddy the water by injecting race into a topic that it has no bearing. "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:42 PM:

" bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:27 PM:
How Ya got money is a seperate issue from this.

I disagree. IMO it is central to the issue of just how good of a person he was, how responsible he was and how good of a father he was. If folks want to come on here and brag about how wonderful of a person/father he was, then they need to be prepared to acknowledge his faults too. Living off the system and/or illegal means and letting the state support your child does not translate to wonderful person/father, in my book. "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:37 PM:

" ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:28 PM:
he was a wonderful man who took very good care of his child

I'm sorry, but what do you consider taking "very good care" of his child? It's already been pointed out that he had a criminal history (and wasn't one of those a nonsupport charge), he had no gainful employment and apparently continued to associate with criminals and drug users. In my book, that does not equate to taking "very good care" of your child. What it says to me is the STATE was probably providing for his child...and probably him and his baby's mama too. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:27 PM:

" This is to shiny mcshine or whoever you are. This domestic dispute involved Ya, the stepdad, and the daughter. How Ya got his money is a seperate issue. Not all violent acts have drugs involved. The bottom line is this is about an untimely death caused by a domestic dispute. Use your negative energy in a positive way. Don't talk out ya a** on here! Did a brotha take your girl back in the day or somethin'? Get a life and step your game up. U just like George Bush going to Iraq and not finding the real enemy. How Ya got money is a seperate issue from this. "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:18 PM:

" I just wanna say none of us are perfect and we all have different experiences to shape who we are. It's easy to talk about and judge situations that you don't know about or haven't lived. We should all condemn violence and avoid it so I have no problem with some of the posters saying that. It's another thing to thrive off negativity and prey on someone when they're down. That's weak and a hater move. I applaud the editor for removing a lot of the comments. And for all the haters out there I'm a young black man with a college degree. Ya was cool with all types of people and didn't deserve what happened to him. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:15 PM:

" I'm "hatin' on the dead" because in life, he hated on the living. A drug dealer represents the worst of society. He chose to destroy lives by preying on drug addicted people and somehow or another, there's a group that comes on here and dismisses it as no big deal.
Sounds like a REAL "cool dude". "

bizil wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:58 PM:

" I just want to send my condolences to Ya Ya's friends and family. I didn't know Ya as well as others, but at the same time I can say he always treated me with respect. He was a cool dude when I was around him. All this other hater stuff that some of the posters put on here I can't relate to. I moved out of JC a few years back so when some of my boys called me from back home and told me the news I was shocked and saddened. As far as the people who come on here day after day and disrespect the dead get a life! Clean out your closet first before hating on others! "

boscoe wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:38 PM:

" Best post:

Two more thugs off the streets is a good thing. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:33 PM:

" well, it appears that as long as you want to gush about how wonderful the drug dealer was, its acceptable. If you want to have an honest discussion about it, even if it calls out a lifestyle that is reckless at best, that's not acceptable.
Free speech means both sides of an issue are presented. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:28 PM:

" This message is to my sister, her boyfriend and all the friends of Yay Yay he was a wonderful man who took very good care of his child and he will be missed. Remember when you look at that child the man that he was and remember you will all have an angel looking out for you. No one deserves to die like that. No one deserves that kind of violence. RIP and God bless the family and friends "

countercouple wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:00 PM:

" I think the editor did a great job removing the offending posts(at least I was offended) I mean we can and should all have our differing opinions without being censored for content but I felt a few people might have written theyr post a little,..um..more tackfully.

This is a very hot button issue though so I can certainly see why people feel so strongly about it, one way or another. "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:54 AM:

" I agree shiny. My response to lumps was to a very good post of hers that I did not see anything offensive, argumentative, etc., so I'm a little confused as to why her post was deleted. I wonder if it's not a system glitch, because it was gone, then I hit "refresh" it showed, then it disappeared again. "

naturally wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:25 AM:

" shiney - at least he's an equal-opportunity annoyer "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Rick, is there a problem with your system or am I being censored? Several posts have been removed. If you choose to do so, that's your call, but I'd appreciate some explanation of why. Its the NT's site. I understand that, but I'd think if ANYONE would be a defender of free speech, a newspaper would error to the side of constitutional freedom. "

naturally wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:10 AM:

" hey guys, we've ticked off the editor again. better clean it up or he'll close the playground "

ODF wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Right on lumps!!

We were talking about this just the other day. Between the welfare crowd and the ever increasing "disabled" that are milking our Social Security system dry, we are running out of hard WORKING folks to support the dregs of society. With technology and such, there is a very small segment of disabled that are truly disabled enough to work at something. Anything self-inflicted because of alcohol/drug use/abuse, etc., should not be considered "disabled". If you want welfare, then work for it...they should be picking up trash, doing community service, and/or volunteer work. "

jcgal14 wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:58 AM:

" Then again, what would I knowIm just a white girl from the west side who uses spell check.

My thoughts are with the family during this tough time. Hold your head up high and treasure the memories you have of your beloved family member. "

jcgal14 wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:57 AM:

" I can't believe the pettiness of some posters. A man died and you have nothing better to do than comment on grammar, race and your apparent lack of compassion. A man lost his life, a child lost their father and a mother and father lost their son. What disgusting lack of kindness would possess you to attack a family during such a time of sorrow?

This has nothing to do with his race or side of town in which he lived. The ill will you harbor for the east side is what feeds the hatred in this city and quite frankly you should be ashamed leaving yourself, and others like you, partly to blame for the vicious circle "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:44 PM:

" I think there is not a man alive that could keep me from protecting my son or daughter, she was guilty of letting the children ALL be in danger. She is no mother she is a criminal. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:33 PM:

" There is this thing called forgiveness. Have you eer heard of it? "

Even I am not at that point yet..maybe after the man is convicted and given life? I dont hear her own family sticking up for her. Plenty for the man he shot understandably but not her..... HMMMM...... "

blkpag1 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:14 PM:

" A jury would be hard pressed to believe that her actions were not self preservation considering what she just witnessed. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:13 PM:

" sqrlyb wrote "All things considered from what I saw there is a special place next to the devil for her. I Hope her daughter makes her regret this for the rest of her life and I hope she never gets another good nights sleep dealing with her guilt."

There is this thing called forgiveness. Have you eer heard of it? "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:44 PM:

" The driver of the van did not have a gun, and she did not pull the trigger. A jury may find some small percentage of responsibility at best, but I think the attention given to the murderer is most appropriate at this point. "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:43 PM:

" The woman driving the van couldn't warn the victim because she would probably be shot too. Obviously if you are asked to drive a madman with a gun around, you probably have little choice but to comply with his demands.

Probably the only thing she could have done was to drive fast on the expressway and hope she was pulled over for speeding. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:10 PM:

" All things considered from what I saw there is a special place next to the devil for her. I Hope her daughter makes her regret this for the rest of her life and I hope she never gets another good nights sleep dealing with her guilt. I keep having to see it over and over and so should SHE! He will get his in Court! If he ever sees the outside again it will be a crime against us all. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:05 PM:

" STILL no obituary. Where is this "good man's" family? Does anyone care that he died really? Usually an obit. would be published. I'd like to see this young man's accomplishments, who he touched, where he worked, what church he attended to get a real idea of the man. Guess nobody cares enough? Not sure.... "

boxergal wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:02 PM:

" She was driving? Yes its wrong, wrong. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:50 PM:

" Does anyone think it is wrong that you can be put in jail for driving around with an open beer and kids in the car and yet this woman drove the man to the scene watched it unfold without a word to warn the victim and drove him away after the murder to dispose of the gun with out a charge being filed against HER? "

online_editor wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:02 PM:

" I removed a number of comments for various reasons. Among them: Bogus registration, abbreviation representing a profane phrase, accusations against an individual that haven't been publicly reported, and some other comments that simply lost their context after other posts were removed. Also, since discussion about the impact of one's personal choices on one's life and community have pretty well been covered, let's call a truce on that topic and move on since it's leading to repetitiveness and an escalation of contentious remarks. Thanks. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

ODF wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:23 PM:

" shiny - You're right on target shiny, but then you know that because you deal with these people. I can't even count the # of times that I've seen neighbors of murderers, rapists, cop killers, child molesters, etc.. say "oh they seemed like such a nice person" or "they were always playing with their kids" or "they were just a nice, quiet person". "

ODF wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM:

" lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:02 PM:
Totally igoring the real person is defined by his/her actions.

Lumps...that reminds me of the olds saying "Your character is judged by how you act when you think no one is watching". "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:08 PM:

" you're right lumps. By all accounts, Jeffery Dahmer was a very engaging, polite person once he was caught. Oh yea, that pesky, "I like to EAT people thing", but you need to forget that cuz he was nice to ME!

Every con-man in the world is charismatic. Ted Bundy was extremely nice. He just like killing college co-eds. Easy to portray him as a sweetheart if you just choose to ignore facts. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:02 PM:

" That's exactly right. People are often so blind as to hear a soft word spoken, a quick smile, blah blah blah: and believe that makes a person a good guy. Totally igoring the real person is defined by his/her actions. Of course, I believe must of the posters on here fully knew what kind of loser these people are. Whoopss....were. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:58 PM:

" I wonder if Williams' customers whose lives were ruined by the substances he sold think he was a "good man". How about the families that were destroyed because he chose to make a buck as he perpetuated addiction. Sounds like a dandy fellow.
I can see why everyone loved him so.
He was a victim of violence but he was also a perpetrator of the slow death drug use causes. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:52 PM:

" buying a car or two and "fixing them up" hardly pays the bills. He wasn't a bonafide car dealer, and I'm confident he wasn't doing it legit (proper title transfers, paying taxes, etc).
No legitimate source of substantial income and a history of drug dealing makes his employment pretty easy to conclude.
Bad guy #1 shoots bad guy #2. The supposed motivation of it being non-drug related is more irony than anything. The fact is, he hung around risky folks. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:44 PM:

" This isn't rocket science. Its pretty simple. Those that currently tolerate thug behavior have to STOP tolerating thug behavior. It thrives where there's no resistance to it. Certain areas of town seem to constantly have a police car there to serve as referee. Ask for assistance in stopping crime and you get a epidemic of people going deaf and dumb. Nobody saw nuthin. Make an arrest and somehow, they're made out to be victims.
Being a drug dealer by definition MAKES you a bad guy! He chose that lifestyle. The tragedy in my mind is that was the example provided to his son. "

ODF wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:43 PM:

" If there were more people working and less people living off welfare, being a gang member and selling drugs then there would be less violence on American streets. "

ODF wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:40 PM:

" CJCM wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:35 AM:
Instead of everybody condemning his lifestyle, what about coming together as a community to see what we can do to stop this from happening again.

Here's a thought...maybe the community should come together and condemn the lifestyle of drug dealers, thieves, street thugs and gangs. Promote the novel concept of WORKING for a living and being a PRODUCTIVE member of society instead of a drain on it and a threat to those of us that work hard for things we want. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:34 PM:

" There was a brief mention in St Louis - I wondered the same thing and so I googled it. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:25 PM:

" I have been looking and have not seen an obituary? What's up with that? "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:04 PM:

" CJCM: What? You wrote, "Instead of everybody condemning his lifestyle..." Hello? Good golly! It was the very type of people he hung out with that brought him down. Duh. Please cry some where else. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Yes this is a fine individual, indeed. From case net: 06AC-CR01839-01, "Defendant sentenced to 7 years DOC, SES, placed on 5 years supervised probation with special condition of paying $50 a month child support". Charge was: Dist/Del/Manf/Produce Or Attempt To Or Possess W/Intent To Dist/Del/Manf/Produce A Controlled Substance.
He sure made alot of honest money and kept up with his financial obligations to his child, huh? "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:23 PM:

" You get him in a crowd with a number of other thugs, and I think you would see a different person I'm sure. So a short answer to how do we stop this is that people need to take on responsibility for what THEY do, and not do it because it's "cool" or is what everyone else is doing. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:22 PM:

" CJCM, I understand what you are saying. I'm sure he may have been a good man in his circle, but I think after reading his record on case.net, alot of us think that changing the people you hang around with WILL bring change in the community. If the other drug dealers knew "YAY" didn't want anything to do with them because they were druggies, they would stop coming around. It's obvious from his friends comments that he was clearly still in that circle and lifestyle. He may have not shown that side to you, but you sound like an educated person he would not show that side to. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:07 PM:

" I'm asking a question: If the step-father was angry enough to murder, his wife (the girlfriend's mom?) was riding along seemingly okay with it(?), what went on?
What kind of domestic disturbance was this. Were they defending the girlfriend? "

boxergal wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:01 PM:

" I think the focus should be on our judicial system around here. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:59 AM:

" happening, sorry. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:59 AM:

" "The focus should be what is happenin to our community". At last, someone that is talking in terms I agree with. Someone that is being real. The community has a problem. "

MomOf2Boys wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:53 AM:

" As for Ya's income I know that he did earn money from the cars he bought, fixed up and then sold. Nobody is trying to say that he was perfect. We are just trying to point out the fact that he was a good person who cared about and helped others when he was needed. In addition to that we are saying that this was a domestic dispute that resulted in his death. Not a drug deal, not over money, not robbery, not anything illegal. Therefore we don't feel as though his past drug charges are relevant. The reason we do feel that Cook's charges are relevant is because they are for a violent crime such as this one. "

MomOf2Boys wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:48 AM:

" To address what ODF said " I would give more credence to someone that come in here, said they were a friend of his and told how good of a friend he was even if he didn't always make the best choices. Problem is, I have not seen that sort of comment...yet. " Many of us have not denied what Ya did in his past we are just stating that his drug charges did not make him a bad person, nor did it cause his death. Secondly joytotheworld, the man who shot his was not his friend. He only knew him due to the fact that it was his girlfriend's step-father. "

naturally wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:48 AM:

" This is also about you and sll the people here who will stand up for him. You will surely be an asset. "

naturally wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:46 AM:

" CJCM - you totally missed the point. Or are choosing to ignore the obvious.
If you're going to avoid this kind of thing, you have to face it.
It is a tragedy, but how are you going to get the maximum sentence if you can't convince the jury to feel sorry for the faithful departed. How are you going to deter this behavior? "

CJCM wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:36 AM:

" Again, I loved Ya with all my heart and my condolence goes to his family and loved one.
I will now sit back and wait for all the negative comments, about if I was so educated why would I have a friend like him, but until somebody has a suggestion on how we can stop this from happening again.is it really worth responding? "

CJCM wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:36 AM:

" The people (not theses) who are responding are people who could look at Ya and still love him, the people you are talking about are sad to have someone in our life deceased at a young age, regardless of his life style. I was raised by both of my parents and they always taught me never look down on anybody because you never knew who you will need when you were falling. I have a wide variety of friends that range from lawyers, doctors, ministers all the way down to homeless people. I believe that God has given me the ability to communicate with everybody. I have also realized that in the end only God can judge us. "

CJCM wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:35 AM:

" Yes, this is a very sad situation that I would never put myself into a similar situation, but what if somebody came from inside the dialysis center and Mr. Cook shot them to. Mr. Cook had a gun not Ya. Everybody is condemning him and saying that his friends need to change, but not one person has made any solutions No one has even made a suggestion. A son no longer has his father to take him to the park. A mother no longer has her son to talk to. Friends no longer have a friend to talk to. "

CJCM wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:35 AM:

" The focus we should have in this situation is a young man died in broad daylight in our community. The focus is how a man that was just released from prison for 1st degree murder is riding in the car with a gun along with his wife and a child. The focus should be that Mr. Cooks wife did not scream, blow the horn, or do anything to warn somebody that he had a gun. The focus should be how they (Mr. Cook, wife and child) rode around Jefferson City for 40 minutes with a gun after committing murder. The focus should be what is happening to our community "

CJCM wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:35 AM:

" I would like to respond to joytotheworld comment. I am a education woman with a masters and working on my PhD. I graduated with my bachelors cumlaude (3.6) and my masters magna cumlaude (3.8). I knew Ya on a personal level and loved him because of that period. When Ya talked to me he talked about personal things. Instead of everybody condemning his lifestyle, what about coming together as a community to see what we can do to stop this from happening again. "

ajewel wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:27 AM:

" WOW... talk about respect. It seems that the people saying that these "thugs" need to learn respect need to do the same. Where is the respect for the VICTIMS family? All I see if a group of people that have nothing better to do than kick the dead?? Better say extra hail marys tonight and may your family never have this kind of tragidy cause it's called Karma, and it comes around.
One more thing, if you do not know this man, stop acting like you do. He is gone and all you are doing is saying that it is okay that he was killed because he was a "thug", all you are doing is premitting more "thug" behavior. SICK! "

naturally wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:19 AM:

" your going to need to defend Mr Williams employment status at the sentencing hearing to convince the jury he was a productive member of society and a great men. You think this board is tough, try facing the defense lawyer. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:15 AM:

" I happened to come across an obit a few months ago for a ... "thug" that had family who briefly lived in our neighborhood. I had been aware of their vast criminal records (thanks to case net) - but his obit painted a picture of a saint; preacher, plant lover, veteran, grandfather, etc. Made me sick.These dregs of society get a real kick out of trying to white wash their image. We aren't fooled. Trash is trash. So to the trash out there: Get a job, pay your taxes, obey the laws, and raise your kids with some values. "

ODF wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Missy - Mourning is generally done at a service, not a public comment board. Nobody is stopping them from mourning their friend, if they feel this is the place to do it. But we all have a right to voice our opinion as well, especially when folks are trying so hard to convince us how an unemployed father with a drug record is such a great person. "

missy wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:42 AM:

" Please everybody stop being so negative and let family and friends mourn the death of there loved ones. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:45 AM:

" naturally wrote "EXCUSE ME! who is "THEY"? This whole them against us stuff isn't going to make anything better."

Ignoring the problem won't make it better. And it is "us," those that see the lifestyle as a problem, versus "them," being those that don't see a problem. Until "they" see it as a problem it won't change. "

ODF wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:30 AM:

" shinymcshine wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:23 AM:
Its not about race. Its about choices and the consequences of bad ones.

EXACTLY!! Anyone that tries to play race into this is just doing so for the shock factor. It's about the mentality, the lifestyle, the attitude, the morals/values and lack thereof. It is not about skin color it's about mindset. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:23 AM:

" The "they" are the fools that somehow want to portray the thug lifestyle as acceptable and anyone that doesn't accept it as culturally closed minded. This isn't a "culture". This is a choice. Is not racial, it spans race. The PC crowd will say, don't judge. I'm judging and do so proudly. The "gangsta" lifestyle is only glamourous in rap videos. In real life, drugs kill the spirit and perpetuate violence. To act as though its ok and defend it, even after a death is beyond naive. Someone will undoubtedly try to play the race card here. Its not about race. Its about choices and the consequences of bad ones. "

naturally wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:10 AM:

" EXCUSE ME! who is "THEY"? This whole them against us stuff isn't going to make anything better. The streotypes are what walls are built of. We are all people. As the Indians (Native American for the PC police) used to call "humans". "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:49 AM:

" Yes, from the posts I've read defending this man, no good will come from his death. They will still theink that the thug lifestyle is where it's at and the boy will be raised around it. Sad, but it's the way it is today. You would think these people would learn that it's a nowhere road, I don't think thay CAN be educated about it, I think it's just a given and socially accepted in their circle. "

TheRickster wrote on Sep 11, 2008 5:46 AM:

" Open your eyes Mac and Bos, this is society the way they want it.We only get to be in it.That is why they talk the way they do, dress,like they do is dissing society.This is Cops in real life! "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:37 PM:

" I hope this man's son doesn't inherit the name 'Lil Yay and follow down that same path. The end result is always the same: Jails, institutions, and death. "

Man, I thought exactly the same thing. Rather than glorifying his lifestyle, why not use his death to try and show his son (and other young people that may listen) that if you run with dogs, eventually, you're going to get bit.
It won't happen though. You're seeing how it'll be played. I feel for his young son. Regardless of what Williams was, his son is innocent. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:07 PM:

" I just find it so telling and amusing, frankly, that his defenders want to dismiss drug dealing and apparently regular drug use as irrelevant to anything.
As a matter of fact, they evidently feel like they OWE it to him to "always burn one for him".
Good grief! Is it any wonder the jails are full? "

Ja50np wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:00 PM:

" I'll say this again, yay is a slang term for crack cocaine. It originated from the shortening of the misspelling of the pronunciation of "llello", the Spanish word for cocaine.

With that in mind, are there any more curious people out there guessing what line of work this fella may have been in to? How many people will learn from this and do something with their lives and how many will glorify drug dealers while wearing their pants around their knees just itching to become another statistic? I hope this man's son doesn't inherit the name 'Lil Yay and follow down that same path. The end result is always the same: Jails, institutions, and death. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:29 PM:

" I mean, with this many people standing up for the guy, does it really make ALL of them completely wrong for doing that? Does it? Step outside of your raising and think about it for a second. "

An entire country thought Adolph Hitler was right too. It sure didn't make it so, Mac, unless you want to embrace and/or defend that "diversity" as well. "

Granny Good wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:13 PM:

" Hey,Ya, this is Granny Good, and as usual I messed up and I wrote about your untimely death on Ruf & Vet's space. I can't believe your life ended at such a young age. I prayed for you while you were in the Hospital, but I know you are in a better place. You are with your Granny Coosie, and I know she led you every step of the way. It is a shame that you were taken from your little boy, because you had respect for Judy's Mom. R I P Ys, Granny Good said that & you know I mean it. We love and miss you very much. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:03 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote "Don't be so ethnocentric, Byron. Social fabric is subjective. It changes in the eye of the beholder."

Yeah the open minded could think that drugs and violence is a good way of life. Is it any wonder I think your philosophy is dangerous? "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:52 PM:

" ~~~~~~Yes. And only someone who follows a philosophy that will destroy the social fabric would think otherwise. "~~~~~~~

Don't be so ethnocentric, Byron. Social fabric is subjective. It changes in the eye of the beholder. "

spaceman54 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:41 PM:

" Mr. Williams was obviously out of the lifestyle since he has a pending case for marijuana possession out of St. Charles County. Birds of a feather is all I have to say. "

Sqrlyb wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:52 PM:

" well that came out garbled but you got my intent. "

Sqrlyb wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:51 PM:

" I hope if someone was behind any of with a weapon us we would feel the person behind them was obligated to at least speak up. She was about to possibly lose her daughter over it. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote "I mean, with this many people standing up for the guy, does it really make ALL of them completely wrong for doing that? "

Yes. And only someone who follows a philosophy that will destroy the social fabric would think otherwise. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:34 PM:

" LADYKEISHA2005@YAHOO.COM wrote "WHT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF HE HAD A JOB OR NOT. THT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH Y HE WAS KILLED,"

But it might have something to do with supporting the calims that he was a good man. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:30 PM:

" L D wrote "But my question is this: If you are chasing down your step daughters bf to "talk" with a gun, why is it murder 2? Im mean im assuming that he bf was chased down seeing as how the incident occured in the parking lot of a dialysis clinic and they didnt meet there coincidentally. Why is that not premeditated?"

Because there could be numerous reasons why someone woould "chase" someone down. Premediation is the actual thought of killing. From these facts we do not know if he actually thought about doing it. "

ODF wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:27 PM:

" I would give more credence to someone that come in here, said they were a friend of his and told how good of a friend he was even if he didn't always make the best choices. Problem is, I have not seen that sort of comment...yet. "

ODF wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:25 PM:

" Mac - I think it's great that Mr. Williams' friends are in here standing up for him. I have friends that haven't made the best choices in their life and I will stand up, call them friends and support them when I can and think it's the right thing to do. Difference is, I won't praise them for being great citizens if that's not the case and I have no problem giving them a "dressing down" if I feel their making bad choices. "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:18 PM:

" ~~~~~~~Adding to all that sadness is that half the posters on this thread don't see anything wrong with hanging out with thugs and living the ghetto lifestyle. "~~~~~~~~~~

Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it boscoe? Kinda makes you wonder if your way of life truly IS divinely inspired.....or maybe...... it's just a difference in culture that you are completely incapable of understanding. I mean, with this many people standing up for the guy, does it really make ALL of them completely wrong for doing that? Does it? Step outside of your raising and think about it for a second. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:13 PM:

" What is sad is all these posters coming on here who IDOLIZE a convicted felon and person who obviously had several ties to druggies, thugs, and gangsters.

Yes, it is sad that he died, but even sadder that he was involved in the ghetto and drug cultures. Adding to all that sadness is that half the posters on this thread don't see anything wrong with hanging out with thugs and living the ghetto lifestyle. "

ODF wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:02 PM:

" The difference it makes, at least to me, is how was he supporting himself and his baby? How was he eating, paying for housing, paying for gas? There had to be at least some means of support. I think the point of asking if he was employed was that if he did not have gainful employment and given his record, maybe he was making money through less than legal means.

And before I get dog piled, I'm not saying he was or wasn't doing something illegal, but the fact is $$ had to be coming in from somewhere. So if it's not a job, then what was the source of $$? "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 2:59 PM:

" It matters because if he had no legitimate job, then he supported himself either by my tax dollars or by something illegal (or both).
Somehow or another, there's a segment of posters on here that have the delusion that somehow, rubbing shoulders with thugs shouldn't matter.
He chose to be a drug dealer. This shooting may not have been about drugs. It may have been. It doesn't matter. It was the lifestyle he chose and the people he chose to be around. It sux, but its reality.
I don't hang around those types in my personal life. I'm forced to in my professional one. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 10, 2008 2:57 PM:

" All this defensiveness seems to indicate that he was not employed. "

LADYKEISHA2005@YAHOO.COM wrote on Sep 10, 2008 2:29 PM:

" WHT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF HE HAD A JOB OR NOT. THT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH Y HE WAS KILLED, SO LETS JUS STICK TO THA FACTS AND NOT ABT WHT HE HAD GOIN ON IN HIS PAST, HES PAST DIDNT GET HIM KILLED. R.I.P YAYA! "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 2:17 PM:

" " She should have warned him! there are laws about getting involved nowadays a person should be obligated to say someting if it is known a gun is being poised to shoot.

Really? What might that statute be? Ethically? Sure. She should have. Legally? Unless they can prove she knew what his intent was and she was a part of the plan, she's just another thug, livin' the thug life, choosing bad friends.
Now, if she assisted in the coverup? Oh yea. Now she's on the hook for some charges. "

Sqrlyb wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:58 PM:

" She should have warned him! there are laws about getting involved nowadays a person should be obligated to say someting if it is known a gun is being poised to shoot. Not to mention child endangerment and driving him away from the scene after the fact! There was a passenger in the car that was a family member for crying out loud! she also took him to dispose of the weapon! How many possible options to charge her do they need? "

ODF wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:42 PM:

" shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:24 PM:
" It's what makes America's system superior to all others. Is it perfect? No system is, but we take extraordinary efforts to assure fairness. "

You and I don't always see eye-to-eye shiny, but that post gets a 2 thumbs up from me! "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:37 PM:

" charge her with WHAT?
Unless she was a part of the planning or concealing it after the fact, she's nothing more than a witness.
She chose bad friends obviously, but that doesn't seem to be unique to her. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:35 PM:

" DID HE WORK and if so WHERE?
His buddies are talking about him riding around "bumpin" and walking around. No mention of actual employment. But have no fear, they'll "always burn one for him".
No. I'm SURE his lifestyle had nothing to do with it! He is a convicted drug dealer that clearly was still close to it. I have no idea of whether or not he still dealt, but he was obviously still hanging with those that do. If those around this can't see it and condemn it, they're doomed to see it again. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:30 PM:

" The reason for the second degree is the ongoing argument and the fact that they think he did it (htey think)on the spur of the moment, The police were told that the gun was in his back in his pants untill he could crouch down and hide it to get a good angle to shoot. They went with a more prosecutable charge. This is aslo why the woman in the van watching should be charged in this, she saw this too. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:28 PM:

" Nicely put, nospin. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:26 PM:

" stl you earn respect , you do not get it for dying "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:24 PM:

" It's what makes America's system superior to all others. Is it perfect? No system is, but we take extraordinary efforts to assure fairness. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:23 PM:

" I can't let your "people are wrongly convicted all the time" go.
Has it happened? I'm sure it has, but it is RARE, RARE, RARE. Everyone has a friend that will claim it but when you really dig, you'll generally find they did the deed. I can't tell you all the morons I've heard say, "I had two beers and got a DWI". All that proves for certain is the guy will lie to his friends.
The judicial system is slanted in favor of the defendant in the name of "better for 100 to go free than one innocent person be jailed". I don't have a problem with that (cont') "

L D wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:19 PM:

" Yea, details are a bit foggy... Why? There needs to be a bit more released. But my question is this: If you are chasing down your step daughters bf to "talk" with a gun, why is it murder 2? Im mean im assuming that he bf was chased down seeing as how the incident occured in the parking lot of a dialysis clinic and they didnt meet there coincidentally. Why is that not premeditated? Personally, if i chased down another man to argue with him with a gun, my intentions would be to use it, but i guess thats just me... Thankfully, ive never had that issue... "

ODF wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:16 AM:

" gofish - I agree people are wrongly charged & convicted occasionally. However, lenghty records do not indicate wrongly convicted. Don't even get me started (again) on the protection order thing...that is a good system that has become widely abused and a tool in divorce/custody cases. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:55 AM:

" stl wrote "You don't need to know that."

What I need or don't need is not for you to say. What I want is the truth. I can see we aren't getting it here. Maybe we will get it in court. Truth is a good thing even if it is hard to accept for some. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:53 AM:

" I have a stupid question...why did this go down in front of a dialysis clinic of all places? Like those patients need anymore trauma in their lives. I mean what was he doing in the parking lot, did he just pull over there to meet someone?? I am sorry, but to me this is just scary. If you want to shoot someone, do it in a less public place. I am so tired of this gangsta mentality. I quit shopping in Jeff for groceries because some wannabee tried to hit me in the parking lot of Walmart. I head to Fulton, the worst I get there is some frat boy running to get their booze for the weekend. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:53 AM:

" and concensus is just that.Sorry it happened.

We also have some saying that the lifestyle that he was living according to public record may have had something to do with putting him in the circle of friends that ultimitly led to his death. Had he not been a drug dealer, he may have had a different set of friends who were not prone to just shooting someone. I know my friends don't all carry guns around shooting people, nor does my wife's parent's.

Condolences once again to the family. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:47 AM:

" And it IS our business. He was a drug dealer, it's public record, look it up yourself.

Mom of2Boyz wrote:"we all know that this horrible person who took his life should have never been released".

That was his past, just as is being said about yaya. Why the double standard?

We as citizen's need to know about criminals, it's our RIGHT as American's to know what kind of nieghbor's we have. I had a sex offender living DIRECTLY beside me and wouldn't have known if not for public record.

I am TRULY sorry for this young man's death. I hate it, I really do. It was senseless. I think the overall mood here..con't "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:41 AM:

" Then Mr. Cook's record doesn't need to be looked at either. Stop bringing it up. Maybe he was a good man? I really don't know.All we have to go by is INFORMATION we hear about or read.

"Concernperson said: I cant believe they only gave him second degree murder. Mr. Cook was an ex-felon... ".

Acording to some posters, we don't care about his past, he may have been a good person. "

stl wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Byron W. wrote " MomOf2Boys wrote "his lifestyle had nothing to do with his murder."

We DON'T KNOW that

You don't need to know that. His friends and family, the people that cared about him most know that and that is all anyone needs to know. It is not your business or anyone else's about what kind of lifestyle he had. "

stl wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:30 AM:

" I agree completely with Momof2Boys. Everyone needs to stop arguing on here and passing judgement. Those who new Yay are very fortunate to have had him in our lives. Those who didn't know him should not be trying to bring up his past or judging him at all. His past had nothing to do with his death. All those posting negative commments about him on here need to remember that his family and friends are now mourning his death and do not need to read all this negative feedback about him. Have some respect for God sakes! "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:10 AM:

" MomOf2Boys wrote "his lifestyle had nothing to do with his murder."

We DON'T KNOW that. "

MomOf2Boys wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:51 AM:

" joytotheworld, his lifestyle had nothing to do with his murder. His past may show he had involvement with drugs but that's the past. Also, he wasn't murdered over drugs. And to say that we should pick our friends better is ridiculous because Ya was a wonderful person, good friend and great father. Those of us who were blessed enough to have him in our lives know that. We do need to stop the arguing though. I mean we all know that this horrible person who took his life should have never been released. And anyone who actually pays attention to the reports can see this had nothing to do with drugs, that it was family related. RIP Ya Ya...we love you and we'll miss you! "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:40 AM:

" and I'll ask again.
Did Williams have a full time job somewhere, and if so what did he do? "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:24 AM:

" boscoe,
part of the trouble with "law enforcement cleaning up the drugs" is the trend of zero cooperation in the community. The "no snitch" attitude effects how successful ANY investigation can be, drugs or otherwise. When there's a crime with 50 witnesses, but all you get is, "I didnt see NUTHIN!" success is hard to come by.
You want to know why drugs are common in the places they are? Because its acceptable. Then, when a case IS made, probation is the general penalty. Violence follows drugs, there's no debate. Its up to the residents to demand a no tolerance policy. The cops will gladly assist. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:16 AM:

" We should all hope the gun is found soon by a responsible adult rather than a curious 8 year old. If anyone is reading this that has any pull they need to keep looking. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 10, 2008 6:45 AM:

" I agree, this ghetto culture needs to go. People wearing their pants around their knees, sitting on the front porch or walking down the street, pants being held up with one hand, a 40 ouncer in the other. Why these people think they look "cool" I'll never know, makes me wanna swerve my car when I see those types. Yes Mac, it's white's and the mexican culture as well as blacks. This isn't about race, it's about ACCOUNTABILITY. "

Ja50np wrote on Sep 10, 2008 1:21 AM:

" I agree. Nobody can beat the streets and those who try will eventually become acquainted with jails, institutions, and death. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:39 AM:

" no one is ripping the victim, people are pointing out
a culture that surrounded this incident , even one poster , the victims friend said he would always burn one for him , I'm not a druggie but thats seems pretty
clear to me "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:32 PM:

" What a man does is what defines him.

Yes, it is sad that he is dead and gone.

It is also sad that a druggie would get this much worship. "

JcGurl22 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:22 PM:

" He was a good man, everyone needs to end the negativity on here.. PLEASE! His family and friends are having a hard enough time.. No matter what he did years back that doesn't mean he was a bad man, everyone makes mistakes.. Just please stop. RIP YAY! I miss you! "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Demand that law enforcement clean up the drugs in this town.

The ghetto culture and the drugs are ruining this town.

Now before Mac starts whining about racist comments, please know that I mean any race, including whites, blacks, reds, greens, blues, etc. when I talk about the ghetto culture. There is nothing good about acting like and looking like a ghetto rat with ghetto rat values.

I agree with Wow. Clean it up, respect your God, work to make it a better place, and respect all human beings as children of God. Do not tolerate illegal behavior. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:16 PM:

" if that indeed is occurring, something positive is coming from an otherwise negative. The key is, does being "vigilant" equal zero tolerance on the BS you see that you're currently expected to ignore? Its clear, making excuses for criminal behavior is commonplace on this thread. Tolerance of criminal acts is fertile soil for violence. Too often, friends and family rally around a criminal rather than hold them responsible, then act shocked when violence spills over into their lives. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:57 PM:

" did williams work anywhere? "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:49 PM:

" The people in this area are banding together after this incident to look out for one another. We did not even know each other before now. I will be a very vigilant neighbor now. Those in this and other areas be advised, know who belongs and who does not. It could be the difference in the life of your own family. Take the time in your busy life to actually know who our neighbors are. Someday those people may save you if they know you are indeed a human. "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:30 PM:

" We will always burn 1 for you. Booda

That speaks volumes. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:53 PM:

" You know, this doesn't just affect Mr. Williams family and friends, it affects the community. There are those that I am sure are traumatized by witnessing it. How horrible. I am with Wow, clean it up, be proud of who you are. This was so senseless. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:47 PM:

" And Wow's post was excellent. All of this needs to stop. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:45 PM:

" Oh gosh, I am really sorry. And I know this was an isolated incident but I am so concerned about JC and whats happening. My son lives on the west end. It seems like between the east end and the west end, things have been crazy lately. We moved from JC and then contemplated moving back to the mall ridge area, which I believe is across from where this happened. We decided to stay put. I bet you ARE sick about it. Maybe its just a sign of the times, not sure. I am really sorry also for this family, what a shame. And I hope things quiet down for you also. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:51 PM:

" To Boxergal-

There are two families that moved here to get away from that crime neighborhood with no luck. There were two cars broken into the night before this happened just in front of the clinic. I am sure the people still in the old neighborhood would smirk about our bad fortune ( the 50% who bother to read). We are just sick about this and wish the man's family well, everyone else should also. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:23 PM:

" good post, seems these tragedies only bring more like them instead of it stopping the life style that causes them , . This is becoming way to common of a headline in papers "

wow wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:54 PM:

" Mr. Ya-Ya is dead and I wish the families involved in this the best. Especially the law biding innocent people who's only connection 2this entire mess is being a relative of the victim /shooter. As 4the JC Eastside Boyz and the STL Eastside Clique who loved Ya's batmobile and know first hand that Ya-Ya was no angel. Hey people, it's 1thing 2lose a loved-1, it's another 2continue shooting at each other. The fast life is gonna getcha sooner or later, so do yourself, your family, friends, and the general public a favor. Stop the druggin, shootin and beefin. Wanna make a positive difference, get a legit job and start helping save the community. It's not that hard-2-do!-PTAMN "

Rufus Evette LilRufus Jordan wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:46 PM:

" Hey, Yaa....Wwwhhhaaaattttsssuuuppp! I will really miss you when I come to the "Williams" house. I feel so bad about the sudden end to your life. I know you are in a good place with Coosie and all the family that have gone before. We will see little Kwan through this along with your Mom. He is the one that will suffer the most. I can hear him say right now, "thats MY Yaa Yaa" and he will always remember his Dad. You were a good Dad, and did right by your son and everyone you came in contact with. We all love you and will see you soon on the other side. "

tomnykids wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:16 PM:

" I am sick with all the negative feed back about yay! It doesnt matter what he DID beacuse it is not at all who he WAS as a person. Yay never did any harm to any one. He was a great man and it is a shame that the world lost another good one. I will miss seeing him walk down the street with his son, parked up at the gas station, and riding down the street in ride bumpin to the music. Those are the only stories that his son ever needs to know about him. My greatest sympathy goes out to all that have had the pleasure of knowing him. Keep us strong YAY! "

boxergal wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:38 PM:

" Wow, what a nightmare. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:13 PM:

" both true. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:07 PM:

" I have to ask....did you witness this and weren't you the one that lived in the neighborhood where the gentleman was stabbed? "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:49 PM:

" To any who care-
The crime was commited in cold blooded passion and anger. He stopped him to confront him and he could not get a rise out of him and he shot him in frustration to that end. There is more to the story than that but that is the jist of it. It was horrible and shocking. I do not care what he did or what the beef was. He is being charged in second degree correctly I would say.
One more thing, The driver of the van should be arrested for watching this unfold and not warning the victim! There were children there(child services not told?)in the van. Then he shot in the car and could have hit her OTHER daughter! "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:49 PM:

" ~~~~~~~I hear about how he loved his son. That's great, everyone should do that anyway. It's just a given around my family ....~~~~~~~

The most well-said statement on the thread. I was wondering if I was the only person who noticed that. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:24 PM:

" Gofish wrote:"And to what lifestyle are you referencing??? Maybe this would be a good time for you to pick your words carefully... "

DRUG life. As per case.net public record.

I don't need to pick my words any different than I am,k?Thx. "

goodmangoone wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:18 PM:

" I just moved from where Yay-Yay stayed. He was my neighbor for about 1 year. All, I seen in him is positive. He was a very nice man that would wave at his me anywhere in town.That was always friendly to my child. His bright smile. His clean ways. and his cars. Sometimes He would just make my day.I never felt alone. Because I know he would have helped in anyway! He never had any reason to die!! He will be missed around JC. I could always hear him coming. He will always have a place in my heart! And to the man that did this to him may he get what he deserves. To all the family I am SOO SORRY about yourloss. "

gofish wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:02 PM:

" Byron W. wrote "I can see why society is falling apart."

What a world view that must be. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:54 PM:

" RIP YaYa wrote "Byron w - I don't know exactly what you're speak of when you say a number of convictions/felonies....there are a total of 3 convictions from 1997 and 2001, 7 years ago. You wanna-be detective, take your no good information and opinions else where. Ya Ya was a great man!

No, this is a place for opinions. And at least one of those cases was a plea in 2007 for distribution or manufacture of a controlled substance a class B felony. This is a serious matter. It is apparent that what you look for in a great man is not what I look for in one. I can see whysociety is falling apart. "

tracker wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:49 PM:

" Its funny how posters get on here and write as if they know him. Thanks for all the support. Yae-Yae is a name that was given to him from childhood. Thats something you should know if you were a real friend of his. He did not deserve what happened. This is for the real family, to the ones who stayed by his side until the time of his passing. You know who you all are. My friend and his family deserves justice and he will get it. 1 love Yae-Yae I'll see you when I get there RIP. Pound for Life. We will always burn 1 for you. Booda "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:48 PM:

" gofish wrote "Byron, you disrespected his loved one's expressions of grief by pointing out the negatives that the family/friends already know or don't care about given his death.'

I didn't disrespect anyone's expressions. I stated something that appears to be fact in a news board. If they want to express their sorrow there are better places for that. "

ladylove53 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:46 PM:

" to everyone with negative comments abou YaY YaY did you know him who are we to judge anyone all of us have made at least 1 bad choice in life some just did not get caught I personally think u all should be more considerate for all his family and loved ones he left behind.Why kick the dead he is already down. And remember we only have 1 man to answer to and that is JESUS CHRIST that is a FACT MY PRAYER ARE WITH THE WILLIAMS FAMILY "

gofish wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:42 PM:

" joytotheworld wrote "Maybe you need to pick your friends better. I'm sorry anyone had to get shot or killed, it's senseless. Stay away from that lifestyle. It's a nowhere road obviously."

And to what lifestyle are you referencing??? Maybe this would be a good time for you to pick your words carefully... "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:40 PM:

" MomOf2Boys "This man killed him in cold blood, which was premeditated, due to the fact that he went in search of him to confront him with a gun in his possession."

I don't know if he was killed in cold blood or not. I don't know what happened there and most people don't. And you need a better definition of premeditated murder. The circumstances that you describe, even if true, is not enough for premeditation. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:38 PM:

" MomOf2Boys wrote "Byron W you have some nerve."

Yep. That is what some say. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:36 PM:

" stl wrote: These people have nothing better to do but search on Case.net to find out negative things about a good friend of mine.

Maybe you need to pick your friends better.

I'm sorry anyone had to get shot or killed, it's senseless. Stay away from that lifestyle. It's a nowhere road obviously.

I hear about how he loved his son. That's great, everyone should do that anyway. It's just a given around my family ....

Funny how people where ready to throw the guy that killed him under the bus for his criminal record, but when the other guy's comes out, it's "NOBODY'S BUSINESS" ? Not trying to sound harsh, but it is what it is. "

*blueyes* wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:29 PM:

" All of you that are bringing up Mr. William's past are absolutely PATHETIC!. His life was lost and that is all that matters. You should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to make him sound like he was a bad man. Have some respect for the family and friends of this man. SHAME ON YOU! "

boxergal wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:28 PM:

" And may I extend my sympathies to this family. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:25 PM:

" its not cut and dried and honestly I think its a service that needs to be privitized. A lot of states don't have it. "

boxergal wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:25 PM:

" No, its NOT cut and dried, you are right. A family member of mine is on casenet because of a ridiculous charge that was later dismissed without predjudice. There are numerous filings where someone has gotten mad an another person and either sued, put a restraining order or other actions against another person. Restraining orders are a perfect example. So its there for everyone to see and most of the time people don't look hard enough to realize the case has been dismissed. Even the judge in our case tried to talk the person out of it. I can't get it removed. Also, my address is on some of my neighbors cases that involved her divorce. No... "

gofish wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:10 PM:

" ODF wrote "If folks don't want their pasts to be public knowledge then they should not end up in court."

Easier said than done ODF.

Apparently you forget that innocent people are wrongfully charged/convicted, especially, if they cannot afford an experienced trial attorney. Apparently, you don't consider that anyone can accuse anyone of anything and get an order of protection. Even if it is dismissed, it still remains on casenet. Apparently you don't realize anyone can sue anyone anytime for anything, and even if the case is dismissed, it remains on casenet.

Life is not as cut and dried as you would like to make it to differentiate between good guys and bad. "

stl wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:09 PM:

" jcgirl5: I was being sarcastic in referene to "state worker" DUH!! These people have nothing better to do but search on Case.net to find out negative things about a good friend of mine. "

jcgirl5 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:45 PM:

" stl: What does being a "state worker" have to do with anything? Why are they all lumped into a category by most people? All Byron has done is posted a comment in a public forum. No, we did not all have the opportunity to meet Mr. Williams or see what kind of person he was. Case.net reveals at one point he was involved with drugs. That is all Byron was putting out there, it's his choice to do that. Regardless, it is never a good thing when a human life is lost. My sympathy does go out to his family and friends. "

ODF wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:41 PM:

" babygirl - I believe you are correct. Everything I've heard is this was a family/domestic issue. I have heard nothing to the contrary or anything that indicates it was more than that. So I have no reason to believe otherwise. "

ODF wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:37 PM:

" RIP - I never said his past convictions had anything to do with his murder, so don't put words into my mouth. I simly responded to your comment that his history is nobody's business. The criminal history of people I deal with, people my child hangs with and people that live near me ARE my business. I make it my business for the security of myself, my family and my "stuff". If folks don't want their pasts to be public knowledge then they should not end up in court. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:26 PM:

" Who said anything about race (besides MAC)?

I thought we were talking about criminal BEHAVIOR... "

killerkool-aid wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:18 PM:

" ding ding ding ding... and there's the race card.
I can't believe this thread. It's a shame the man died; it makes me sick that the kid lost his dad. But some are not looking at this in equal light. There has been a lot of talk about Cook's violent past and it has been held against him in this thread in reference to what he is accused of. But if someone brings up Williams's 10 year history of narcotic possession and sales, the race card comes out. The double standard reeks. "

naturally wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:14 PM:

" Why is that Mac, you don't think there are thugs of every race? creed? what about the Taliban? This is a different world than what you grew up in. "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:09 PM:

" Eleanor Roosevelt would have been savvy to the term "thug" naturally, and you can bet she wouldn't have used it to describe people of a different race. "

Citrine1 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:04 PM:

" First I would like to pay my respect to Mr. Williams's Family. There are no words that can truly comfort and console your loss. This was a nefarious, senseless act of violence. Whether you knew Ya Yah or not...KNOW for a fact that he was ason,father,granchild,nephew,cousin and friend to many. No one is perfect in this life, so I won't be the one to judge and neither should anyone else.
I do know that he loved my cousin deeply and she him and they were a young family just trying to make it. That is the memory that I have and will never forget. R.I.P YAY "

naturally wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:58 PM:

" MAC: there you go spewing venom again and trying to stir something up.
Thugs, like rednecks come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. The thug reference was not intended for the faithful departed, God rest his soul. "

Mac1974 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:37 PM:

" Wow, looks like the NT gave some of Jefferson City's finest a good opportunity to get some good ol' racist low-blows in. What a bunch of cowards!

While some of the thread patrons are correcting their grammar, a few others might consider replacing "thug" with the word they really want to use..... that is.... if you're man enough.

Nah... didn't think so.

You cretins should save your agenda for another thread. "

babygirl1 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:31 PM:

" Bosco, that is your opion because you have no idea who he was and what he was about. I am not saying to put the flag at half staff but pay respect to those who care and want to show there feelings. dont always nock the next person for there thoughts. So who deserves a shinney Halo over there head we are all human. But he was a very good person to those who cared about him. "

gofish wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Leave it Byron and Shiny to judge the dead before the family has even had time to mourn.

You two are a perfect example of how to disrespect people when they are weakest.

Byron, you disrespected his loved one's expressions of grief by pointing out the negatives that the family/friends already know or don't care about given his death.

And now Shiny has him living "Thug Life".

Ya'll enjoy kicking the dead around?

You too Boscoe? "

stl wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Regardless of what Yay Yay did in the past, that had nothing to do with how he was murdered. This man took his life and showed no mercy. May the judge and jury show no mercy on him. Yay Yay was a wonderful person regardless of what mistakes he may have made in the past. All of those people who are looking on Case.net, you need to find something else to do with your time. Get back to your state job as it is obvious that you don't have anything better to do. Show some respect for the family and friends of the loved one that we lost! RIP Yay! You are greatly missed! "

boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:24 PM:

" What a bunch of emotional babble on this thread.

Sounds like Mr Williams didn't have a shiny halo afterall.

I don't celebrate his death, but I don't see a reason to hang the flags at half-staff either. "

naturally wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:22 PM:

" Don't let the thugs take over and don't let the poor grammer divide you.
I can't imagine how horrible this must be for his family and friends.
---Learn from the mistakes of others. You cant live long enough to make them all yourself.
Eleanor Roosevelt---
US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)
Associations as much as actions can take you down the wrong road. "

RIP YaYa wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:20 PM:

" Byron w - I don't know exactly what you're speak of when you say a number of convictions/felonies....there are a total of 3 convictions from 1997 and 2001, 7 years ago. You wanna-be detective, take your no good information and opinions else where. Ya Ya was a great man!

ODF and shinymcshine - again, convictions from years and years ago for NON-violent crimes, does not mean that those things had anything to do with his murder. Ya Ya was a kind and peaceful man who didn't deserve this. Just hope you don't get on the jury when it comes time to convict that murderer....you're probably one of those rehabilitation experts too.... "

babygirl1 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:18 PM:

" Yes drugs conviction can be everyones business that's why they are public info. But there is no evidence at this point that this had to do with drugs. You bet if it did JCPD shur would of said something. This had to do with a family issue. Just because he had a conviction with drugs does not mean that everything evolved around that. He could of changed his life got a girl and ran into a THUG life dude that took his life. I think everyone just needs to stop all of this arguing and just pay our respect to Ya and his family. "

tracker wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:14 PM:

" repeat violent offender, weapon possession....2nd degree is a joke "

shinymcshine wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:02 PM:

" ODF
You're exactly right. Drug charges, especially multiple drug charges, are EVERYONE'S business. They are the ruin of many a life and those that peddle them are profiting off death and destruction of the community they live in.
Live with thugs, Die with thugs. Its a shame anyone gets gunned down, but if your friends and associates are those that try to out-thug the other, it should not come as a suprise when extreme violence is the end result.
Rather than ignore that, why not use his death to teach the youth what living the thug life can mean? "

ODF wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:45 PM:

" RIP BABY wrote: his criminal history is no one damn business

I'm not going to get into this little p-ing match over Mr. Williams. But I do disagree with the above statement. It IS people's business and anyone that does not know about their neighbors, friends, children's friends and their criminal history is a fool. Criminals rarely commit one single crime and quit....drug related crimes are even more commonly repeated. Only 2, maybe 3 people really know what the feud was over and at least 2 of them are not on this comment board. So to say it was or was not related to whatever is pure speculation. "

ajewel wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:41 PM:

" pah-lease. Obviously if you need to look up on casenet then you dont know this man. Stop trying to play detective and get back to your state job... have some respect! "

MomOf2Boys wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Secondly Byron W and anyone else who has something to say negative regarding Cornelius "Yae Yae" Williams", please note the fact that many people on here who have took the time to comment have said how wonderful he was. He was loved and cared about by so many people. Even those who briefly knew him could tell that he was a good person. Also read the comment from an eye witness who has stated he did NOTHING to the man who shot him. Personally I believe that if you have nothing better to do then look up murder victim's case.net history then you need to find a hobby. And besides, it clearly has not been reported that there were any drugs or illegal activity involved. "

babygirl1 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:30 PM:

" regardless of Ya's past wether he had 1 conviction for drugs or he had 1000 conviction for drugs. This shooting had nothing to do with drugs. He was still a great guy and a good father. All it comes down to is that people need to start putting there pride to the side and live life instead of thinking you are a big man for taking someone else life. I knew Ya for 16 years and I dont know of him trying to cause anyone else problems. All he wanted to do is make a life for himself and his son. So all this past stuff is null. Ya there is alot of people that love you and will miss you. Watch over us. "

MomOf2Boys wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Byron W you have some nerve. What does his possible drug convictions in the past have to with him being murdered now? This man killed him in cold blood, which was premeditated, due to the fact that he went in search of him to confront him with a gun in his possession. A man who is a violent offender. A man who put fear into others and who people have stated on here was not a nice person at all. A man who took the life of a good man, a good friend, a good father, someone who many feel blessed to have know. How can you even insinuate that he may have provoked this? "

killerkool-aid wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:18 PM:

" I think what Byron is saying is that with two pages of drug charges on case net, some felonies, Williams is starting to look less like the fine up standing citizen he is being portrayed as here. Im not saying he deserved to be killed, and his son sure as hell didnt deserve to lose his father. But the sugar is getting a little thick. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:02 PM:

" This guy did nothing to the man who shot him. "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:59 PM:

" watch it now, Sqrly was an eye witness. "

RIP BABY wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:58 PM:

" i just want everyone to know ya did not do anything wrong there is no other side to this story beside a evil person that had been look up for 19 yrs gets out and 2 yrs later takes a good mans life . ya did nothing to him accepted stood up to his no good a** , want does case.net have to do with anything thats is not the point his criminal history is no one damn business. I love you ya-ya and i will never let you go. "

missy wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:53 PM:

" The first time I saw Ya I knew he was somebody special. All these years later he is still somebody special in my heart. The way he took time with his son was something that a lot of men should look up to. I know hes in a better place looking down on us. A place where the streets are paved with Gold. Ya you will always have a place in my heart. Love you and miss you to much. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:16 PM:

" Apparently Mr. Williams had a number of drug convictions including a couple of felonies. That is according to case.net and assuming it is the same fellow. There must be more to this story than we know. "

Rufus, Evette, Lil'Rufus, & Jordan wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:10 PM:

" Ya will be missed by our family and other family members very much! He never started problems with anyone! Ya did not deserve to be taken away from all of his family and friends this soon. The time that we were fortunate to be able to have him in our lives will be never forgotten. This is a very sad time for a lot of people but we know he is in a better place and with other family memebers and friends that have passed on before him. We love you Ya and we will miss you. We will all be together one day--see you at the crossroad. "

countercouple wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:50 AM:

" I have never met Mr.Williams or anyone within his family but it sounds to me like Jefferson city just lost another good man.

I also dont know the person(s) who took the heroric action of following these thugs and all those who helped catch Mr.William's murderer but they deserve the thanks of a greatful city.

I salute the person who became involved in these scumbags capture. "

Concernedperson wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:12 AM:

" I cant believe they only gave him second degree murder. Mr. Cook was an ex-felon riding around with a gun, in my eyes that is pre-mediated which should constitute first degree. What about Mr. Cooks wife for driving away, is she going to be charged with anything. I will personally miss Yay and the time I was able to spend with him. To the family and friends of Cornelius YayYay Williams, you have my deepest sympathy, condolences and my prayers will be with you. "

Concernedperson wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:12 AM:

" I have read all the comments regarding the case. Regardless of what anybody thinks of Yay he did not deserve to die like that. Yay was a good man who cared about everybody. He loved his son & anybody who was around him realized this. Yay was a wonderful and beautiful father to his 2 year old son. Because of Mr. Cook he will never be able to hold his son anymore. Yay will never be able to teach his son all about old school cars. Mr. Cook took away somebodys life bottom line. Anybody who really knew Yay knows that he did not like confrontation. "

Babygirl1 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:20 AM:

" No matter what happened who got in who's face Yay Yay did not deserve to die like that. "

Byron W. wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:56 AM:

" sqrlyb wrote "At least he showed he was made of better stuff than the man who shot him, he never offered to get out and swing on the old guy even after he got in his face several times."

We don't know that. "

Ja50np wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:12 AM:

" Boscoe, yay is a slang term for crack cocaine. It originated from the shortening of the misspelling of the pronunciation of "llello", the Spanish word for cocaine. "

JcGurl22 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:34 AM:

" RIP You will be missed by many "

JcGurl22 wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:34 AM:

" His nick name was Yay Yay "

boscoe wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:11 PM:

" What's a yaya? "

sqrlyb wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:09 PM:

" At least he showed he was made of better stuff than the man who shot him, he never offered to get out and swing on the old guy even after he got in his face several times. "

lil_homie_eric wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:00 PM:

" man, i seen yaya in past week and now he's gone, i know the girls family that he was with. all i have to say is im really sorry to hear that and it was all unexpect to happen....R.I.P YAYA live in the sky "

chairsboys wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:39 PM:

" thanks to everyone who help the police capture my cousin yaya murderer. without you guys he would still be running loose.yaya did not deserve to go out like that but when god set a date and time to come home we just have to live with it.on the behalf of this family we want to say THANKS we appreciate everything "

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