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Continued stadium delays force Jays, Crusaders to move first home games

By Bob Watson bwatson@newstribune.com
Published: Friday, September 5, 2008 1:57 PM CDT
Too much rain and construction delays will keep both the Jefferson City Jays and Helias Crusaders from playing their first home games at Adkins Stadium, the normal site for both schools.

Jefferson City Schools Superintendent Bert Kimble said Thursday the Jays have reached an agreement with Lincoln University to play their Sept. 12 game against Fayetteville, Ark., at Dwight T. Reed Stadium.

“We're going to move the first game ... because the track is incomplete,” Kimble explained. “The contract (allowed) for about 30 days of rain.”

But Mid-Missouri's experienced nearly three times that amount of rain, delaying some of the construction work.

In addition, Kimble said, the subcontractor laying the football field's artificial turf was supposed to be finished at the end of July, but didn't leave Jefferson City until last week - and the field had to be finished before the final work could begin on the track.

The Crusaders will play their Sept. 13 game against Farmington at the Falcon Athletic Complex at Blair Oaks High School in Wardsville. The game will start at 7 p.m. as originally scheduled.


“It's an awfully nice place to play and you know the field conditions are going to be good,” Helias Athletic director Stan Ochsner said.

“We're happy to have them out here,” Blair Oaks athletic director Ryan Fick said. “We know they're in a Difficult situation and we're glad we're able to help alleviate their dilemma.”

Reed Stadium is not available to Helias on Sept. 13.

Lincoln athletic director Paula Jackson said the situation basically came down to it being too tough for the field to handle two games in two days.

“When the initial request came in, we went to every department that's involved in game-day activities - public safety, buildings and grounds, those type of people - to get a consensus on the situation,” Jackson said.

“Their opinion was that we had a request from Jefferson City for Friday and we could handle that.

“Then, Helias asked for Saturday. Our big issue was that our team hadn't even played here and how we could keep the field nice for our opening game, especially considering the weather we've been having?”

Lincoln plays its first home game on Sept. 20.

“I don't blame Lincoln for that decision,” Ochsner said.

Jefferson City will pay the university $1,000 for renting Reed Stadium - the same as Lincoln charged Blair Oaks before the Wardsville complex was built.

Helias will pay Blair Oaks $1,525 for using the Falcons' stadium, based on the fee-schedule the Blair Oaks' school board adopted a couple years ago, Superintendent Jim Jones said Friday morning.

Kimble said he hopes Adkins Stadium will be ready by the Sept. 19 Jays home game against Columbia Rock Bridge and Helias' Sept. 20 game against Wentzville Holt.

But, Kimble said, Sam Fisher, owner of the company installing the track, has made no guarantees, only telling Kimble: “It depends on the weather.”

Tom Rackers and Tony Hawley of the News Tribune staff contributed information used in this story.



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JCpatriot wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Boy I feel better I got that out 7 off my chest! Great therapy doing these blogs? LOL "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:56 PM:

" nospin,
Lets be realistic? On the Happy ratio is 5 real happy 1. If this city does a 180* or 360* turn I think the ratio would be 10 happy 1 neg cycle. Call it like I see it Bro! "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:51 PM:

" NOspin,
typo: very valid point,

I dont like to see our town decay all around you & when i'm a positive person, it sticks on you, like a mostiquito taking the blood out of you.

All these so-called wealthy elite Jeffcitians B>S,most of these elite have got there big state retirements, kids already in college & or about to be Grads, there not steppin up,? Just the wanna be's tyring protect the failures of development they created ? They run there mouths with no action but 250 grand home,wow? Its all a pushplay here! I'm about to get my inheritance a nice 280 grand & another 40 grand if i sell my land. I have 125 grand house.Who cares! "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:08 PM:

" Nospin, I may complain sometimes, but when i do I'm either hurt or venting to pain, some people have caused in the 12 yrs. I've lived here. Yes, Myself & wife are Invested here as State employees,we like our jobs, Her : 18 yrs with state plus half her family lives here before I found &Married her, myself 12 yrs. we have to retire here now first.

Yes, your article makes a very point, If if Jefferson City was 20 miles from KC or Lee summit We would of sold our home 6yrs. ago! I really like how Lee summit is developing,and how its laid out. Our glasses are 1/2 full, me & wife very opimistic most of the time here. "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:56 PM:

" NDNLVN, You nailed it, Great articles, This is how I feel. It happen to me too when i first moved here 12 1/2 yrs. ago. Amen Bro ! "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:30 PM:

" ND if you spend time on this forum you come to find out that most on here are on here to complain , not brag about the city and schools they live in, they have no need to , they are happy . My point is that you can not take the naysayers on here and say thats the majority of the city, for every 1 on here that is unhappy there are 10 plenty satisfied "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:23 PM:

" good point yama seems like some digress on many topics so they can take their shots and barbs at the current infrastructure of this town , I say if you hate it that much move, and don't use the excuse my job is here etc etc, you can find a job anywhere if you are employable and intelligent "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:21 PM:

" With all due respect , Boscoe you seem to know all the problems in this town and have some solutions and ideas , run for office , it would be much more prodcutive
than this forum is , public service is calling "

yamahamian wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:01 PM:

" Title of story:

Continued stadium delays force Jays, Crusaders to move first home games

How did you get here? LOL "

boscoe wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:42 PM:

" AMEN Cherokee.

Other communities work together better and have better schools, and they have more jobs.

Jefferson City has really lost it over the past 15-20 years. While it isn't too late to get it back, it will take hard work. Got to get the schools in better shape, and we've got to run the thugs, drugs, criminals out of town, and we've got to repair the rotting infrastructure, both public and private.

Does anyone on the coucil have the fortitude to do this? I doubt it. Now the city administration runs the council.

Get rid of the charter. Get rid of the city administrator. Make councilmembers do their jobs. Clean out the city administration. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:33 PM:

" All i can say is i am very surprised as to all the people who have changed how they now feel about Jeff City...seems when 200+ lose their jobs that this town doesnt hold much promise. I can say the move I made was a great one. The cost of living is lower and the home I am in now is bigger and nice, dont have neighbors doing drugs, dont have the fights and gun fire at night...one thing i still hold to is JCPS can be great again if they would bring back more to education than to sports...without education we dont bring in those great jobs and our future well lets be reminded again of how many lost jobs in the last week. "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 11, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Correction:colleges "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 11, 2008 4:57 PM:

" Boscoe, I'm talking Huge Corp Lab & factories. Thats a wanna be guy trying to make it big ? I mean giant Billion $ corps gov't contractors connected to Major Universities look at some of the College programs like UNC, UCLA, Chicago Loyola, Houston Med & oil Tech colleges, all have great Corp/intern employees way beyond Jeff city. Columbia starting to get on the Band wagon per-say, there growing but still behind these major U's & there programs listed above. Just think if Lincoln or new Coolege & Industry can do here, if we had the right people planning Jeff City's future. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:00 AM:

" We already have the Biofuel Headquarters and its employees. It is the little building on Clark Avenue at HWY 50.

Nice job rehabbing that ugly little building, BTW! It really looks nice. Now, if only the rest of the neighbors would clean up their slums.... "

ODF wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:26 AM:

" JCP - It's okay to hope for the best, but you better paln for the worse. Industry is leaving JC like rats from a sinking ship. They just lost 200 jobs, at least 120 of those permanently...and that was just overnight. Look at how much has left this town in the last 5, 10, 15 years. City leaders better pull their head out or this town will be left with nothing but state govt. and fast food as employing "industries". "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:45 AM:

" Hey I also heard good news on the Radio today. Jeff city is going have a new Biofuel Headquaters here soon. Plus there also might be a couple of biofuel factories might be built in Mid Mo near Jeff city,I really hope this is true.

I pray it is to help our Midmo. economy. All we have left is Unilever & Modine & part of ABB if they close,Jeff city will have big problems I pray they don't.I hope Boscoe is going to be wrong on this one? "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 10, 2008 6:22 PM:

" We ain't seen nothin; yet, JCPatriot... "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:04 PM:

" Boscoe & Nospin,
There goes two of the four big companies in Jeff City. ABB Layoffs,& now Johnson Controls closing plant here,both are in NT Articles. "

joytotheworld wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:01 PM:

" YAY YAY!!!! "

yamahamian wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:44 PM:

" News Flash - - GAME ON !!! Opener to be played in new stadium 9/12, Helias on 9/13 too. "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:11 PM:

" Also agree we need some additional and more diverse employers here. Why don't we have any bioscience companies? No IT firms? We should also have some great medical companies too. What about some good engineering companies?

We have a great central location with many forms of transportation. We have several colleges and a land-grant university. We have the state's technical college. We have state government and the county seat. We have cheap housing and utilities. We have two hospitals. Could it be that our quality of life is not so good, with not much entertainment, culture, arts, poor city services, and maybe a not so great school system in JC? "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:06 PM:

" Not sure about the cost of running two smaller schools as opposed to one big one. Apparently someone though two smaller middle schools were better than building one big new one.

Also, Columbia's Hickman doesn't seem to have suffered much when Rockbridge was added. Now there are two good schools that have two good football teams, and both of them have very good academics too. "

Boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:04 PM:

" I would be very much in favor of eliminating property taxes and switching to all sales tax. Why tax someone just because they own property? They pay sales tax on a car when they purchase it. They pay taxes on a car when they put gas in it. They pay taxes on a car when they get it licensed. And then to add insult: they pay property taxes on it every year just to own it.

I would also be very much in favor of having a casino, a horsetrack, and/or a dog track too as a way of raising revenues for our schools, county and city needs. "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:14 PM:

" Nospin,
Good point maybe the County needs to a different way for school District taxes : Aloud Gambling boat here & Gambling tax in Cole Cty. this a great source for more tax revenue for JCPS?

This would solve alot School district growing problems? "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:13 PM:

" Tell me what you think on this idea ? I would like to see property tax for school funding eliminated. Why? many people do not own property so not everyone pays that uses the schools . Another fact its not fair to fixed income/retired people . I think home appraisals are not always reliable, many people challenge and win all the time on assesed values by county. I believe a sales tax is the most democratic tax for schools and it can be raised when needed without hitting us hard
all at one time in december and there is more money available in sales tax "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:08 PM:

" People are moving to Lees Summits Blue Springs and Ofallon because they are modern thriving suburbs outside the major city of st louis and kc and way from slums, yes schools are new too , so you get the ameneties of big city but in new area. Jeff City is grwoing but not at this rate, and what are the three major employees here ? State , Schools, Uniliever , ABB
Modine, Scholastic , what is the average pay for those jobs. Bottom line is avg income here is 40 to 70,000
cpmpared to 80-120 in these areas , until the state evens the playing field with property tax inequities in school funding like ours wil lalways be there "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:00 PM:

" Boscoe, just asking not bashing as well, would'nt two high schools split cost more to run than the one we have ? You mentioned or asked would'nt it be cheaper ?
The other thing I have seen when schools split is the new one is where every one moves to and the old one
becomes a door mat and second class citizen even the teachers move to new school "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:31 PM:

" Boscoe & Nospin,
I know that Lee Summit West Hs. (5A) Basic normal avg. homes cost 125 grand to 300,Grand.Way higher Rev. per capita for school District around there.

Now Compared to old side (East) of Jeff City houses run about 80,000. to 125000. avg. Also Lee summit already has two High schools & Its over 100,000 in population.

Nospin as a point: Big differrence in tax revenue for the there County & School District.

Bocoe Point:
This is why JCHS & Jcy. struggles like you said amoung other things IE : County Jail, Riverwalk Projects,museum,community etc. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:15 PM:

" According to DESE, the state has only assumed control of TWO districts: Wellston and St. Louis City (not county). Riverview Gardens and KC have accreditation problems, but have not been taken over (yet).

So, out of 524 districts, the state has taken over only one-third of 1% of the districts (0.003). I doubt that Jefferson City has much to worry about regardless of a new football stadium or not. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:07 PM:

" BTW: Ford is went belly-up. The plant closed 2-3 years ago and no one works there. Chrysler is shutting down the end of next month too. I'll bet their schools don't suffer one bit from losing these plants. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 2:06 PM:

" NoSpin:

Maybe the fact we don't have the tax base as other 5A school districts indicates more support for having two smaller (4A) high schools instead of a 5A that we cannot afford?

Would our students be better off, have better education and activity opportunities if we had two smaller but nicer high schools instead of one old big one that we struggle to afford?

Please understand I am not bashing here- just trying to understand better and look for ways to improve our schools for our students. They are our future, and having better schools would help the economies of our towns. Maybe the other 5A schools have a higher tax base because they have better schools? "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:57 AM:

" not to mention major corporations in districts, Ford, Chrysler, Malls , Galleria Mid River etc etc
compare to state workers, scholastic modine , not even comparable "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:55 AM:

" boscoe good post , last paragraph , at least , . I know you are not going to like my next post , because I'm going to bring tax base into the equation. Look at the property value in those class 5 districts, Parkways, Lee Summit, Ft Zumwalts, Francis Howells , even Columbia for that matter , average house 160 to 175,000 hear 90
to 120,000 big difference in revenue to work with . "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:51 AM:

" I agree with last post on you estimate, and yes seems some things slipped through the cracks with first estimate bids and needs for entire facility "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:50 AM:

" boscoe the entire st louis city public schools were taken over by state in 2006, Riverview Gardens in 07 and about 6 ininner city kc "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:37 AM:

" Nospin,
okay thats makes sense 2 1/2 yr. planning from 2006. The norm is 2-3 yrs developing depending on revenue State & Nation wide. Why didn't tell me that in the beginning. It would of saved all the argueeing & insults.

I was trying to get all the info thats sums up what I was trying to get my point across in the beginning. Its almost 09 so it took 2 1/2 yrs. that would be 3-4 million ratio to build encluding High cost now for materials & Labor etc. Plus the boosters money 400,000.00 . I see it went 1/2 million over budget realistically? You think? "

boscoe wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:25 AM:

" No JC hater here- just a JC realist. Some things at JC are pretty good. However, if you compare JC with most other 5A schools in Missouri, the school is pretty average. It isn't the perfect school that the locals want the rest of the world to believe. The facilities are probably on the low end of average, but the teachers are probably a bit above average.

What kind of Jay Pride goes nuts over an average school?

OK, we got a decent football stadium, now let's get some decent school buildings, decent technology in our classrooms, and decent facilities for other sports and student activities. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:08 PM:

" 2.5 GPA must be hard to maintain. Pride through excellence. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:05 PM:

" A+ wow there are strict standards and no fuzzy requirements

dese.mo.gov/forms/divimprove/MO5002439.pdf "

boscoe wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:01 PM:

" How many schools have had their funding cut because of that?

How many schools have been taken over? "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:37 PM:

" true on the A plus and north central , stuff, boscoe not to be confused with accreditation evaluations, they do take over schools and cut funding if you do mnot cut the cake in those "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:35 PM:

" jcpatriot the stadium planning started in 2006 from what I understand from coaches involved in the two sports it effects the most "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:17 PM:

" NOspin, My Hs up north did not use Booster club for Infrastructure either it was all tax money done by yearly Fiscal Budgets, But The down south in Arkansas was done like here,but stadium was built in section. I asked my sister-law in Lee Summit (West) Was built with 3 yr fiscal budget. Interesting why they hurried so fast to get it all done in 1 yr. at JCHS. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:16 PM:

" "...Av plus rating from DESE and North Central evaluations..."


DESE says they do not issue schools "Av plus" ratings. The lady said she never heard of that.

North Central ACCREDITATION is given to schools who are paying members of North Central and who meet minimum standards in a good-ol-boy evaluation process. Not much of value here. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:12 PM:

" Did JCPS spend all that money to upgrade the soccer fields out on 179 too? "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:06 PM:

" MIDMO, Okay I got it : DEFINATELY, I left the A out because someone correct me & they were wrong also? Thats real funny. Correction: I use to put an "A" the middle,I was in hurry copy his did not proof read blogs. I have to leave right away. Sorry But it is Funny ,plus you corrected me in a Humerous way,Thanks :) "

Mid-Mo wrote on Sep 8, 2008 3:23 PM:

" JCpatriot said: "Hey don't get mad at me okay bro? You misspelled Definetly. I know I use to a in the middle also. lol"

Funniest post I've seen in awhile. To spell definitely wrong when telling someone else they spelled it wrong, wow. Not to mention the butchery of the second sentence. No offense JCpatriot. Not that any of it matters anyway, I just thought that was funny. Thank you. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:14 PM:

" to be truthful in refernce to your question how was our stadium built in st louis, I have no idea , there were no booster clubs , so I assume it was all tax payers dollars
It was there way before I came, they already had tennis courts, soccer field , football field practice baseball feild and a cinder track on site in 1972 . I have never heard of
schools past or present that relied on booster clubs to pay for part of the building of facilties like we do around here , uniforms and buses maybe but not infrastructure "

momof3girls wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:06 PM:

" Thank you also JCPatriot... "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:49 PM:

" Also, we had a very small Catholic High school down south wasn't Big as Heilas, the Public Hs let them use the stadium anytime after us Bombers played.

Nospin, I do see your point Heilas is a Biggest Catholic High school for Mid MO.

Hey don't get mad at me okay bro? You misspelled Definetly. I know I use to a in the middle also. lol "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Wow NOspin, I finaly agree totally with you on your last 1:25 pm. blog. Well put, do you see my point how i experienced both HS & how there Ahtletic dept ran alomost the same way.
I did sports in both HS. in both states.

I asked you how your HS stadium was built in St.louis area? "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:30 PM:

" I never said i was totally right in the beginning in my earlier blogs to you.

I'm just comparing the two different HS I experienced growing up in two different place. Your from St.Louis How was your HS Stadium built? I knew you were gonna cut in. lol "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:27 PM:

" My answer to that question? Both HS's I went to had better Management & planning Boards thats what they had in common thats what I experienced , both made Ahletic dept spend maybe 1 1/2 million a year,This is my whole point,why couldn't Adlkins Field been done like that? "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:26 PM:

" no , it is not. What creates the arguements on here is when either side thinks there side is totally right "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:25 PM:

" I've said all I can say, it's starting to get redundant , obviously people either sit
solidly on this was a great project for jc and helias athletic teams to use , or a terrible misappropriation of education funds. It's a free country you are free to have your opinion either way . I want to also show I'm not on this forum to pick on one or two
posters , just to state my opinions and facts that I have from reliable primary sources
that are in the know , see you guys in another forum . Can the school system be better , yes , definatly ! Is it the biggest mess as some say on here ? , "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:21 PM:

" MOMOof3 It was i that complimented your blog,I was answering nospinzone first on top.

Yes, both and ODF of you have valid points, this was my whole point in the beginning,that me & nospin were argueing about,I guess I should of put down like my last blog,had to think it out alittle? "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:15 PM:

" I'll give you both two different examples: I went to big new HS. in Chicago area move to small HS my soph. year. in North Cent Arkansas. Big difference in Funding$$$$$$. Both HS's in two different states,1 rural county seat like Fulton Mo.The other Hs was Big Chicago Suburb HS with alot of revenue.

Note: Both HS's built there staduim step one new Field & Grass, Stands on both sides, then they both built more stands all the way around then stadium buildings after like 2-3 yrs after.I seen it done two different worlds.Trust me Chicago & Ark. are two different worlds,how come they did it that way? maybe 1 million each year. "

ODF wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:14 PM:

" momof3girls wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:49 AM:
The kids that have the gift of being an athlete need a good program just like the kid that is more interested in Academics needs great teachers

Mom - I agree....but the problem is that we're talking about a SCHOOL here. First function is academics and education and that is where the priority should always be. Putting $$ (especially this kind of $$) into sports programs when there are so many other academic areas that are struggling out there is unacceptable...or at least it should be. "

momof3girls wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:09 PM:

" Thank you nospinzone. "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Nospin, I WAS NOT THE ONE that said JCHS is over populated, The 2 teachers & coaches said that in 2004!

Also, I did not bash the school district, I said they should of amde it a project,Build new one little by little,instead of 5.4 1/2 million on it right away, That Was My Whole Point!Yes Iam a Jock always was,I'm for High school sports, that says alot.
I just have a right to mention where our tax money is going & why...what wrong with that?

MOMOof3, yes, your article makes a very good point, I do agree.But tax money for all school programs, should be equally divided, look at the problems JCPS is having now with other programs? "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:18 PM:

" well said momofthree "

momof3girls wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Cont.
The kids that have the gift of being an athlete need a good program just like the kid that is more interested in Academics needs great teachers (which we also have)
No school is perfect but all in all this is a great community and I really don't understand why there is such hatred toward eachother. Some people like a bigger school and some like a smaller school. What is so hard to understand about that? Why do the 3 schools have to be compared all the time? There are wonderful qualities, education and athletic programs at each school just on different levels. "

momof3girls wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:44 AM:

" Can't everyone just get along and agree to disagree.
I too was very angered by the comments "2nd class or rate Stadium" but anyone who has been in Blair Oaks stadium knows the truth. It is a very nice stadium for
a Class 2A school and our students and parents appreciate it very much because of the Safety issues our kids had to deal with on a daily basis (running on Rt B, etc. I don't understand why a school the size of JC is so jealous of a 2A school. Also we are not just successful in Football...look at all our academics and other sports. Our community cares about Education and Athletics. "

mensaboy wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:43 AM:

" First.Is the school levy a tax on property or a sales tax? I have alway thought it was a property tax on the land in that spicific school district.

Secondly.If the money used to build the new stadium is from Cole County tax dollars and all county schools should use it then JCpatriot, you forgot two other schools in Cole County. Russelville and Eugene. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:43 AM:

" dementia, needs shrink, ??? who is doing the name calling again , I'll not cry to the
editor for help here despite this fact "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:41 AM:

" JCpatriot, I have never know anyone that had jay pride to bash the school district so much, you may support your kids in their endeavors but you are not showing what
jay pride is known for, support of the system . My point not theory mr jc, is that the last 30 years graduating classes have been from 550-600 , the school pop has not increased, they used to have freshman at high school up until 1991, now they do not the school is not overcrowded, now Simonsen is a different story . My point on zero increased size, is that schools do not build new high schools unless their is a 10 year trend of increasing size in classes, which is not happening here "

USAFRCEF wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:37 AM:

" Maybe the JC School Board could recoup the $400,000 the project went over budget by charging Helias $1500 a game to use the field?? Maybe they can also charge them for the use of the locker rooms, bleachers, concession stands, lighting and scoreboards, pressbox, ...... "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:32 AM:

" 1234567,
Yes I do know what JayPride is, my two sons show me it everyday ; before & after school wrestling practices & matches. Don't listen to Nospin he needs a Shrink,Maybe some anger management classes? "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:42 PM:

" I also think it should been built across the street in a Neutral spot for all 3 High Schools. Yes,your right move in positive direction for all 3 High schools with Cole Cty. Tax money. I still have Jaypride, alittle mixed emotions for the ones who suffer? whats done is done,we all have to make the best of it now for all our child(ren) sake... "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:34 PM:

" Wfohusky,
Yes, I do agree, Its a beatiful Stadium,But I still think they spent way too much on it this year,It could of been done 3-5 yrs. plan like most HS. do. Thats how most HS. Staduims are built,I know mine was,back in 1980.I guess times have changed?

Yes, All 3 High Schools should be aloud to use the New Stadium Rent Free ; JCHS should have priority for first on scheduling. I will be totally proud with Jaybird pride If all 3 can use it. I then wouldn't feel so ashamed that 5.4 1/2 wasn't wasted tax money. Being honest with tact is "Jaypride"... "

wfohusky wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:13 PM:

" JC Patriot...

Your right....everyone in the community paid for the stadium and should be proud of it when complete. I'm as disappointed as the next person that it's not ready... S***t happens....it's not done....adapt, improvise and overcome.

How bout the entire community get behind all three of our high schools and pull in the same direction instead of pecking at each other....... "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:56 PM:

" Wfohusky,
I help you solve this one, Have a petition for JCPS school board set-up. The Football players or trackster at Heilas have right to use the New Stadium & track. We all own it,I'll sign a petition for them to share it rent free,I think us taxpayers paid for most of it, Except 400 grand according to Nospin, I'm going to check on that figure soon.But were the majority in court 5.4&600 grand paid in taxes that Built the New Stadium should be allowed to schedule games there also. I think petition should be in order & presented JCPS Board & possibly court,if they don't agree... "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:44 PM:

" Nospin,
Your crazy ,I guess Demenchia starts at 50 yrs old.
I moved here in 1995 from North Central Arkansas that all i said,I quoted what they 2 coaches,3teachers said JCHS is over crowded since 2004 thats all,So said 1995 school spilting theroy garbagge you dreamt up? So get your facts straight thats in your thick@#$% skull! "

notinthislifetime wrote on Sep 7, 2008 3:00 PM:

" I am not a Blair Oaks person. I am a JC graduate and I have kids that either go or have gone to both Helias and JC. One of my kids went to Helias because he chose to. The others go or have gone to JC. I have experience with both schools and know the ups and downs of both. "

wfohusky wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Nice to know that one of the "simple" people of Blair Oaks has such an exact reading of the snobby kids and parents of Helias. I have no idea how Helias gets dragged into this.....they're just lookin' for a place to play a football game.

Notinthislifetime...you owe a big apology to a lot of people. Get over yourself and get the chip off your shoulder. "

notinthislifetime wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:23 AM:

" help. "

notinthislifetime wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:21 AM:

" If I was Blair Oaks I would tell both JC and Helias where to go. They all berate Blair Oaks as 2nd class citizens but knowing the Blair Oaks people they will help out. Helias is not the best education in the area. Most but not all are pompous rich kids raised by pompous elitist parents who think the walk on water. Blair Oaks is a much simpler place and far less social class issues than we have it is much more of a community than a caste system. Rain did not cause all the delays on our stadium but poor planning and lousy project mgmt and overly aggressive schedules did. Too bad it was not JC that had to ask Blair Oaks for "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 7, 2008 6:54 AM:

" 1995 typo "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 7, 2008 6:53 AM:

" rich "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 7, 2008 6:53 AM:

" you said waste of taxpayers 5.5 million thats the whole
cost jc, you didnot subtract 4oo,ooo thtas 5.1 , I forgot you are rcuh 400.000 means nothing "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 7, 2008 6:51 AM:

" I used 1985 as starting point since you moved here them as areference point classes have not grown to require split , reread post, not wrong gradating class has been 590-600 for last 25 years , look it up you are wrong again "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 7, 2008 6:49 AM:

" you need to know what posters said "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 7, 2008 6:48 AM:

" never said I played in band , another one you made up,
said born and raised in st louis never said I was an almni another assumption everything I said is true, you made up band and alumni part "

concerned_citizen wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:18 AM:

" Helias will get to play at a very nice complex out at Blair Oaks. Too bad the leader of JC seems to think it is second class. "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:00 AM:

" Ken can back me up my blog(truth) to him Sept 6th @ 8:15pm. entry. BTW: I have stepson that goes to JCHS,another goes to TJMS. Yes I have Jaybird pride for both my children in all sports & ban which me & my wife support whole heartly, I'm just opinionated & concerned where & why my or our tax money is being wasted I never hated JC or HS. sports you said that, plus, I'm i was a jock & still am. Why do you care your not from or went JCHS here either. You know, there's limit to everything in this world ? "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:51 PM:

" Nospin, I said someone told me that the Football Booster club donated 40,000.00. I said nothing about the Track Booster club donation money because did don't. Please get off this kick about wrong Facts. I did not say it all in the first place other people did I know so Ha!!! So please get your facts straight before you play God & try to Judge me. Come please give us a break & please act 50 yrs old with manners? "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:40 PM:

" Cont- also please quit distorting & making up stuff(game playing) what i blog I never said any of ratio splitting theroy in 1995.

They only thing I said I moved here to Jeff City 1995. Sorry you are defintley wrong on his one. Please just don't answer my blogs, I won't answer yours. "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:34 PM:

" Nospin,
Read my blob again, I said 2 coaches 3 teachers said they needed 2nd. New High school in 2004 ,not 1995.

Also you stated in your earlier blogs You quoted " Raised in St.Louis your first 21 yrs there & play in Band during your High School years. Atleast I have the heart to tell the Truth & I did apologize to you formally on the other JCHS blog also after Online editor entry...

What bothers me if your Character is Truthful now?

Also my question is how can you be a JC alumni, Played Football here for coach Pete Atkins, If you lived in St. louis 21 yrs. interesting ??? "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:50 PM:

" wow I know Roland Mitchell as well, and he thinks jc academics or definalty high powered, unlike you "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:49 PM:

" hey ken is 5.5 mill outlandish for new track , field for football and stadium , heck you can drive in suburbs where thats the average home cost "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:48 PM:

" wow thats your hypothesis . this district places athletics before academics, if you were right why do we have an Av plus rating from DESE and North Central evaluations ? Come on think of a good one here "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:46 PM:

" jc patriot, said..needed a second high school since 95,
really?? Graduating class last year was smaller than 1995. Name a district this size that created second high school without larger classes over 10 year periods, because, I can not . The Lees Summit's Fort Zumwalts, Blue Springs, Columbia , all had increasing class size for a decade before they did that , we have not, matter of fact last 20 years it has not. You need the numbers to back your theory jc, they do not back splitting "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:41 PM:

" 1234567 you got that right because they did not grow up here,and they never wil lget it , sad for them "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:40 PM:

" wrong patriot........ football booster club raised money as well as track booster club , did tax money contribute ? yes , was it all tax money ?, no... You know this , but you continue to embellish the facts "

wow wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:42 PM:

" Glad the Jay's won...the JC player's deserve a big congratulations as their hard work and teamwork paid off. N-fact all the player's that competed deserve 2B congratulated. Just so everyone knows, I'll always support the effort's of the young men and young lady's that represent athletics, no matter what school they attend. I'm just not 2keen on supporting the adult's that place athletics ahead of academics. I believe doing so hinders the student's from understanding the true purpose of education. I'd also like 2send a shout out 2 Roland Mithcel...who is a former "J" and now a "Red Shirt Freshman" in the college arena. I'm sure he will do wonder's in the classroom and on the-college-ball-field:) "

1234567 wrote on Sep 6, 2008 2:31 PM:

" wow....can you believe it....the Jays WON again last night...oh never mind most of you people don't know and will never know exactly what "Jay Pride" means... "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Ken,
Yes, JCPS Priorities been messed up since I moved here in 1995. They needed 2nd new High School since 2004, Don't quote me if I'm wrong. I heard this from 2 Jr. High coaches & 3 teachers already... Whats that tell you how this adminstration runs, your right thats why they have the same problems over & over & no new High school. "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:07 AM:

" Concern,
Your right,But I think we all should be concerned its are tax money that bought & paid for the New Stadium. All parents in Cole Cty paid the Taxes for 5.3 or 5.5 amount. Now since all 3 High schools are in Cole cty all should be allowed to use the Field when scheduled or available free of charge, because all the parents paid for it with there tax money ... "

wizen wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:56 PM:

" correction - I meant to say I know there are wealthy parents who have kids at JC as well as Helias. But JC has a place to play, Helias doesn't. So doesn't that make it Helias' problem? And I know the parents that send their kids to Helias pay taxes too, but no one is FORCING them to send their kids to Helias. "

wizen wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:54 PM:

" I never said the parents or kids who go to Helias are wealthier. I said maybe SOME of the WEALTHIER PARENTS (not self-paying students) could hold a bake sale to come up with rental funds. I try to come up with a nice idea and get totally jumped on and told I'm being immature when I didn't even say one school or the people who attend it are better than the other. I do know several local millionaires, however, who have kids at Helias (and yeah, I know there are some at Lincoln too, but they HAVE a place to play, Helias doesn't). "

Ken wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:53 PM:

" 5.5 million for a stadium and next month they will be crying for more money for education. Are somebodys priorities a little fouled up or what. "

Busymom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:49 PM:

" A little off the subject, I believe. Let's not pick this one apart too for fear of starting a whole new thread of gripe, just was mentioning that there was a charge for Blair Oaks to use Lincoln's field, that's all. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:41 PM:

" I wonder what the actual RIO (return on investment) is for spending the 5.5 million to avoid paying a $1,000 a game? Don't forget to factor in the maintenance costs and the opportunity costs! "

Busymom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:06 PM:

" Yes, there was a charge for Blair Oaks to use Lincoln's field. That was one of the major benefits of building the sports complex - so we didn't have to pay to use Lincoln's any more, which would save the district a lot money in the long run. According to a NT article published on March 27, 2005, it was $1000 per game charge. "

nospinzone wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:06 PM:

" amen concerned parent, one hundred per cent, jc haters will not let that happen though "

lb3233 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:55 PM:

" In response to the comment that back to back games were played when Blair Oaks played on Friday nights and Lincoln had a game on Saturday - Blair Oaks actually played on Thursday nights. "

concern parent wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:05 PM:

" I think it is really sad that (adults)are acting this way. This is not a rich poor/private public issue,its a high school football game. Jefferson City people need to come together instead of being divided. Some of these comments are ridiculous and the people who wrote them need to be ashame of themselves. The kids/athletes could care less, its the parents that are making this an issue grow up!!!!!!!!!! "

barbie wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:03 PM:

" I have heard that LU wasn't just letting Blair Oaks use their field out of the goodness of their heart. There was a charge for every game. "

yamahamian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:41 PM:

" MikeMOJC - I figured I'd get called on that - by the way I can't find your name in the phone book either - :-)

You know darn well what would happen if someone did put their name on here - the phone calls and/or emails or drive by the house type stuff invariably happens.

I can just state that I rarely actually speak on these forums, and when I do (at least IMO) I try not to get mean or personal about it. I know I can just not come to the site and read it but it's like a car accident you know - you just can't not look. :-) "

barbie223 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:35 PM:

" I have heard that LU wasn't just letting Blair Oaks use their field out of the goodness of their heart. There was a charge for every game. "

mikemojc wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:30 PM:

" Just to point out a bit of hypocrisy, here:

Yamahamian - I cant seem to find that name in the local phone book.

Yamahamian - complaining on this forum that this forum should not exist, thus proving it's usefulness, at least to yamahamian...

***************
These are all opinions, and as such are valid.

Oh, billmary! I had forgotten about Thursday games..thank you! "

yamahamian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:22 PM:

" Just to add one more thought - I wonder how people would really speak on this site if they had to disclose their names and didn't have the anonymity of the web to hide behind... "

yamahamian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:19 PM:

" Wow. Have some of you (you know which ones) even read what you are writing? Be ashamed of yourselves - you deserve it.

It's a weather-thing folks. The organizers have no real control over it. Included in all construction contract language.

You (on either 'side') who take cheap shots because a team can't play their first season game at the newly renovated stadium have spoken volumes of your character. Let it go, it's built.

NT should have never started this site - thats whats embarrasing. Just my two-cents worth, thanks. "

wonderfulworld wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:18 PM:

" Can you imagine how sweet it would be if JC or Helias for that matter would have to "lower" their standards and play on Blair Oaks 'second rate' field?!? I'd actually go to a game to see that one...hahahaha "

billmary wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:09 PM:

" By the way Blair Oaks had to play a lot of Thurs games because of LU's field needing to recover before their game on Sat "

billmary wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:36 AM:

" Blair Oaks has a game on the 12th, but the field shouldn't need any recovery time. It's artificial turf, not real grass like L.U. "

Gfan wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:49 AM:

" I'm for Helias being able to play locally, does anyone know if Blair Oaks or even Mokane plays as home before the Saturday game? If I ran a local school, I would want to help in any way, you never know, it could lead to more cooporation between schools. "

sweetea wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:44 AM:

" We need to keep this in perspective. It is not about the rich sending their kids to a private school. I know for fact that not everyone at Helias is rich. There are some kids who is paying their own way to go to Helias. There are also rich kids that goes to JC. I lived here in JC for 25 years and don't a class problem here, like I do in St. Louis or Kansas City. "

boscoe wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:39 AM:

" What about Farrot field? Maybe Helias can use that one! "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Bubbahotep Your right on target!
Go Special Ed !lol "

JCpatriot wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Its Ironic? The people that organized to get the 5.3 million dollar stadium built & done cannot get it ready for the first scheduled game?

Now thats funny! I would be Embarrassed to say the least... "

usmc041127 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:25 AM:

" Helias is not the best education posible in the area. I know this for a fact. It is a good school my oldest sister graduated from Helias. My younger sister and myself graduated from JC. We all have taken the SAT and ACT. My youngest sister and myself had the higher scores on both. However my oldest sister had better grades in school. They are both great schools and I deal with both of them regularly. This all has nothing to do with stadium problems. I think it would be nice if Helias updated the field that they have. I think this would solve alot of problems. "

stop wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:14 AM:

" Wizen, being wealthy has nothing to do with parents sending their kids to Helias. They choose to make the necessary sacrifices so their children can get the best education available in this area. In addition to a great education they also learn more about their Catholic Faith.
Lets not forget that the families that choose to send their children to Helias pay the same taxes as the parents of JC students with no cost to the district. "

mikemojc wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Somebody double check me on this, but I believe when the land was donated for the original stadium there was a clause stating that Helias would have perpetual and equal access to the facilities. This isn't Rich vs. Poor, (although I AM offended at wizen's uneducated comment; I worked long and hard to PAY MY OWN WAY though Helias many years ago, not Mom & Dad!), it's a scheduling conflict.

Would a field maintenance donation help grease the skids with Lincoln? Probably. LU didn't seem to have much trouble with Blair Oaks playing Fridays and LU playing the next night in the years before BA built their nice stadium. "

richg wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:49 AM:

" If Helias doesn't like it, let them build their own stadium. "

MJBMPGP99 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:44 AM:

" I agree...It's not Lincoln's fault! Helias will figure it out! If not they can reschedule a game! "

usmc041127 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:36 AM:

" Its not Lincolns fault about the field not holding up JC just asked first to use it. "

MJBMPGP99 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Wizen...assuming you are referring to the parents of the "kiddies" at Helias...maybe we can continue to pay for our children to attend private schools AND pay city taxes so the CITY football stadium can be completed! We not only pay tuition we pay all the other taxes YOU pay!! "

wizen wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Maybe the wealthier parents who send their kiddies to the private school could have a quick bake sale or rummage sale and perhaps make a "donation" to LU for field maintenance? "

Sasha wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:10 AM:

" Unbelievable! Well, Helias could always ask Blair Oaks for the use of their field. I'm sure the residents out there would be happy to assist the "other" team in Jefferson City! "

bubbahotep wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:14 AM:

" It is so important that the Jays have their game. Great way LU to step up and support only one section of the community, good job. So Helias' fans and students are second class citizens in Jefferson City. I could go on, but why? This town lives for it's team and nothing else matters. "


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