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Public schools cut back on facilitators

By Bob Watson
News Tribune
Published: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:30 PM CDT
Jefferson City's Public Schools have reduced the number of facilitators who work with special needs children, providing them with extra assistance in classes and school work.

But administrators said this week the district did not cut “a majority of the facilitator positions,” as a “concerned parent” reported in an anonymous letter to reporters.

Seven full-time facilitators have been asked to take part-time positions this year, spokesman David Luther said Monday - a reduction from 105 full-time positions originally planned.

The moves could save the district about $200,000 in a year, Luther said, because one full-time facilitator costs the district about $30,000 a year, in salary and benefits.

Both Luther and Superintendent Bert Kimble said the staff reduction doesn't - and won't - affect students whose Individual Education Plans (IEPs) require them to have a full-time facilitator.

“What Dr. Kimble is trying to do here,” Luther explained, “is if you have two or three students in a classroom who need additional help, he would prefer to have one facilitator helping those two or three students.


“If the IEP calls for a student to have a full-time facilitator, then by law that's what we're going to do - we're going to do what's best for the student, regardless.”

Kimble told a reporter Monday: “When I got here (in 1997), we had around 35 aides and facilitators.

“And, because of the nature of ... the (federal) special education law ... we've seen that number grow through the Individual Education Plan process, up to, at one point, 115.”

Kimble said he's asked principals at four buildings to look at using one facilitator for several students in their buildings, after principals suggested the idea last spring.

The changes were not mentioned during last week's school board meeting, he said, because the final student scheduling information wasn't available until later in the week.

And Luther said the beginning-of-the-year fluctuation of students' needs means the final number of facilitators still is uncertain.

Kimble said: “I think we owe it to the economy of scale and the prudent tax dollars being spent on the part of the district - and yet, still serve the kids - to take a look at those situations.”

Luther noted the change is not substantially different from the district's existing “Classroom Within A Classroom” program.

“There have been cases over the years where we have had facilitators serving more than one student - again, it depends on the IEP,” Luther said.

Funding for their work comes from a combination of local, state and federal sources.

“The federal funds that we receive,” Luther said, “come to us as a lump sum for special education services - and then it's up to the district to determine how those monies will be (spent).

“Almost all of it is going to go towards staff, anyway, because it's going to go to special education teachers or it's going to go towards aides and facilitators - just as the majority of our budget goes towards personnel.”

Numerous school officials over the years have noted the federal government makes requirements it does not pay for.

In special education, Luther noted, Congress promised to pay districts 40 percent of their special education expenses, but its actual reimbursement is less than half that.



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nospinzone wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:01 AM:

" find mediocre teams to play them , and when they beat somebody good the next year they drop the Jays "

nospinzone wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:00 AM:

" inmom record does not define total success , they have won 3 district titles
and been to the semifinals once, . The Jays play the best teams in the state every week . They do not play 2-10 teams on their schedule like 90 per cent of the
high schools around here to make themselves look good they have played many state champions from missouri, arkansas , Kansas, and Colorado the last 8 years, so
you need to know the rest of the story before you look at won loss and say mediocre
The Jays do not set their schedule up to go undefeated , they play tough teams to
challenge their team for post season. Matter of fact they can't "

immom wrote on Aug 27, 2008 8:51 PM:

" Nospinzone, thank you for responding to my comments, but please don't quote misinformation. I have no child in the JC school district, thankfully. Haven't had for a long time. According to the jayfootball.com website, the win-loss record for the 2000s is 37 wins/36 losses or 50.7%. That could be described as mediocre. That's where the "misinformation" on the mediocre team came from. Second, not everyone is able to go to the Board with concerns. The key word is "ramifications." It's a system you don't buck. You just fall in line and nod like a dog in a back window, even while knowing much of what they say is a complete crock. You do what you do because you care-about-the students-and-love-what-you-do, not-so-much-the-imperfect-system. "

silverfox wrote on Aug 27, 2008 6:47 PM:

" Jeff City PS has experienced many challenges over the years and the voters have risen to the occasion. The new middle schools, the levy tax increase to make our staff the most competitive in the state, and the new elementary vote are examples of how deeply our patrons care about the future of every student in this area. I am a firm believer in the words of my father and his generation that "none of us is as smart as all of us!

Nuff said!! "

ODF wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:08 AM:

" By all means, let's blow $$ on a sports stadium rather than providing a decent education for all students like they are supposed to! Oh wait, this is in the same town that wants to build 2 new hotels when the old ones are pushing 60% capacity and wants to build a convention center (with even more hotel space) when there is nothing to draw tourists or conventions to this town. Great ideas there JC!! LOL!! "

gofish wrote on Aug 25, 2008 4:51 PM:

" Thanks, Boxer "

boxergal wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:41 PM:

" gofish - if they won't, call KRCG (monica???) and ask her, I think she is a go getter. Also there is another Monica with KOMU that is an investigative reporter thats another go getter. "

nospinzone wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:33 PM:

" or like boscoe who skipped class everyday to his own admission and yet blames the school district for his lack of being ready for college, or they were not the popular kids at jc, so they blast the schools because their inferiority complex this bad old
school system gave them, so they live to blast ole jc "

gofish wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:31 PM:

" justhefacts wrote"gofish ..true colors, coming out on you jc hate, nd and yourself kissing cousins"

Nope, just parents of special needs children that advocated for our children with similar results, a school system that didn't care enough to follow the basic priciples of providing a Free and Appropriate Education as required by law.

It's about having your child's needs met so they are set up for success, not failure, and not being passed along, functionally illiterate. I did my part to partner with the school in education and to teach my child, but my partner (the school) was weak.

Would the NT be willing to do some investigative reporting to prove/disprove if every class has enough books for every student? "

nospinzone wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:30 PM:

" yes, wow mistakes are made by every district and every human being for that
matter, my stance is it's not as bad as some of you make it. Can the district be better
Yes!!! Do they think they can do better ? Yes, Are they trying to be the best they can be ??? Yes . This is where we differ in opinions, some of you think their priorities
are not in line and they are not making good desicions very often? This is what I disagree with not that they have not made mistakes like we all do . Then there are some regular posters on here , who have requested things and not gotten their way, "

wow wrote on Aug 25, 2008 12:24 PM:

" If I chilled then I wouldn't be doing anything to help things get better. Which is why I'll continue to coach sports teams, help with school activities, participate in community event's etc, etc. Just because I've written some negative comments about a few actions of a few of the JC leadership, does not mean that I'm not going to help them where I can or criticize them when I feel it's called for.

Nospinzone, not eveything that happens here is wrong nor is everything right. But even the JC Brain Stormer's can make mistake and in my opinion they've made a few! It's that simple. Is that so hard to admit? "

nospinzone wrote on Aug 25, 2008 12:19 PM:

" did'nt know you were part time moderator for the trib, boscoe "

nospinzone wrote on Aug 25, 2008 12:17 PM:

" hey boscoe , everyone one of my posts stick to what the last few posts were, unlike you on the other forum with your smart aleck comment on Coach Adkins , quote
nice parent too, so don't go accusing before you read your own posts. You
always jump in here sideways and throw out smart aleck comments, so you need to
be more topic oriented yourself instead of the blue collar comedy guy on here
nuff said "

boscoe wrote on Aug 25, 2008 12:13 PM:

" I'm glad we have forum moderator superstars here like nospinzone to tell us which posters are good and which ones are bad.

How about focusing on the topics being discussed instead of attacking the one doing the posting? "

nospinzone wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:33 AM:

" hey wow , they did what they thought was best for the jc programs , you would have interrupted their camps , pick a different time , they do raise big money in the summer, do you want them to raise the money or use more tax money ?
On one hand you blast them for spending too much money on the wrong things, on the other you blast them for trying to raise money for their programs instead of using tax dollars ,. You just have mass hate for JC, I have seen you on here for blasting athletic grade standards , simonsen field, simonsen building, new stadium,teachers
I commend your volunteer time and work with the kids, but you need to chill "

nospinzone wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Inpeace, I agree with everything you said 100 per cent , you have a right to expect that , and I will listen to any thing you have to suggest or gripe about because you
have been proactive , not just a whiner on the board, "

wow wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:03 AM:

" As for attending a Board of Education Meeting. Well it's like this. Not everyopne get's a chance to speak at these meetings. In fact the board controlls the topics which will be discussed at every meeting. So don't go painting a picture that everyone get's a chance to voice their concerns at these board meeting's, cause bro/sis it just ain't so! In fact I approached the school board about conducting a sport's camp during the summer months for the 4-8 grades. It was to be staffed by volunteers/cops and would have been 100% free. All that was required was parental consent. The-JC-powere's-to-be-told-me-that-my-project-was-disapproved-because-it-would-interfere--with-the-JCHS Teams-ability-to-raise-money-with-their-sport's-camps.-My-intent-was-to-provide-an-oppotunity-for-as-many-kids-as-possible-to-participate-in-a-cost-free-athletic-camp-yet-the-schoolboard-said-no-because-my-way-might-have-hindered-JCHS-Programs-to-make-money-by-charging-a-fee-to-teach-basic-skills-and-promoting-repsect-for-self-and-community. So yes I've seen the JCPS board in action. "

wow wrote on Aug 25, 2008 10:48 AM:

" Nospin...for the upteenth time, your are right and I have contacted teacher's, board member's, the press, my congress rep, and who know's who else about my concerns. I also believe that in time things will eventually change for the better. But that still doesn't change what has happened. The JC School Board/Mr. Kimble spent $300,000 of education money and hope the JC Booster's will be able to replace that money by having fund rasier's. I don't call that being fiscally responsible, do you? $200,000 intended to pay for Special Needs Facilitators has been cut from the budget. What is that 200k being used for?
-Cont- "

inpeace wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:58 AM:

" Hope the cutbacks don't effect the kids education. I won't comment on the stadium issue. seems they were able to secure outside funding 4 the project.

hook46 wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:22 AM:
" It would help if we kept special need parents from having special need kids. "
I graduated top 5% in high school, attend 2 colleges at the same time 4 a degree in pyschology, with minors in sociology & human svs. I am wkg towards a 2 master degrees/Mental Health Practices in Schools & Secondary School Counseling, with emphasis on Crisis Counseling Intervention. I work fulltime (same Company 11 yrs) & manage two nonprofit groups;husband in medical field. It's disheartening 2 think that's how we're thought of "

inpeace wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:44 AM:

" nospinzone,
You are right in saying if there is a problem or issue, attend the board meetings or have a meeting at school. I've had major problems with JCPS and my child's needs because of his disability. I was professional and persistent and got results; yes I had to educate them on what classes he should have, or his diagnosis, but that is my child, my responsibility; now I do expect the system to do their job once I have helped in the process; I am there every step of the way and monitor everything. I also make sure my child is doing his part (schoolwork, class participation, etc). Even with his disabilities, I expect nothing less and that's how I feel about JCPS. "

nospinzone wrote on Aug 24, 2008 6:07 PM:

" Hey wow , ever heard of a BOARD OF EDUCATION MEETING ? They have them every month and you can ask to have your time . You can also call a board member at home to get the skinny, many people do that as well.
Problem is none of you want to make that effort, its too easy too come to your own negative conclusion and post on a forum , Its kind of like not voting, you really should not complain about our leaders when you do not vote. And if you do not like desicions in schools but do not talk to board members or go to board meetings,
well, you know the rest "

wow wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:24 PM:

" Would Mr. Kimble or someone else care to answer the following questions? What is the rational Mr. Kimbel/School Board member's have used? How can one defend them spending $300,000 that they don't even have in the bank? How can one defend eliminating 7 neccessary educator position's which have already been funded? Are they going to apply that $200,000 for the full-time facilitator positions to help pay-off the additional $300,000 stadium debt? Is that what the voter's consider being fiscally/educationally responsible? "

nospinzone wrote on Aug 24, 2008 7:33 AM:

" Inmom you have issues with school because of a child, and thats fine,but don't make up things to back your slanted view of the schools , no one has lied . Example, mediocre football team , 600 wins most wins in Mo football history, last 8 years 3 district titles 2 semifinals, not mediocre, second there is a track program benefitting from this projext 9 state titles in lat 14 years ,is that mediocre too ? Last, I have talked to many administrators and teachers off the record not a one has made a complaint to me, so take your gripes and state them but please do not quote misinformation "

online_editor wrote on Aug 23, 2008 4:24 PM:

" I removed some comments that appeared to have come from an account with invalid registration information. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

immom wrote on Aug 23, 2008 2:45 PM:

" The unfortunate thing about all of this is that the NT did look into it, as did Channel 8. All information is funneled through David Luther and the Board office. If the teachers and principals were allowed to speak up without fear of repercussions, it would be an entirely different story. Please don't feel like since you don't have a special needs child that your child is not affected. If a teacher must now deal with a child who should have a facilitator, that means that much more time taken away from the rest of the class. They all pay. But, as usual, no problems here.... "

immom wrote on Aug 23, 2008 2:35 PM:

" justthefacts, we don't live in Columbia. I'm not sure how else to explain it to you. What does what they do or don't do in Columbia have anything to do with what we do here? Do you want to take each city in the state and do a comparison? Please explain why a town with what can best be described as a mediocre football team (on its own website it boasts a barely over 50% win average in the 2000s)needs a $5 million football stadium. It's nothing but the desperate attempt of a few aging football players and their aging fans to keep the 60s alive. "

justhefacts wrote on Aug 23, 2008 2:02 PM:

" Now does our letting go 7 aides look bad? "

justhefacts wrote on Aug 23, 2008 2:01 PM:

" Hey INmom, Columbia did not replace 80 per cent of the teachers that retired or left the district, they also cut all aides health benefits , they also built new stadium and fields , and froze salaries they are according to you jc backalashers, light years aahead of us in facilties and teachers , what say you to that ? Columbia has buitl too many buildings, they have k-4 buildings, 5-7 8 and 9 buildings and high school in both school systems and they have asked for 8 levy increases in last 11 years , be glad you have
a financially sound school system that does not spend your money like those liberals up there "

boscoe wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:19 PM:

" Again, How's that Special Ed dropout rate doing at JC? "

Immom wrote on Aug 22, 2008 7:50 PM:

" Re facilitators, does the "7" referenced in the article include those who were hired and attended new employee orientation and training the week prior, but then let go? How many were actually asked to take part-time, as opposed to being told it was either that or no job? How many of the part-time positions offered are clerical, rather than facilitator positions? Last night, Channel 8 said that the figure is now 2 let go and 2 part-time. Were the 2 let go part of the 7 asked earlier in the week to take part-time? By school, what is the # of planned facilitators vs actual? If the number is lower, where specifically were the others placed and what is their current position? "

Immom wrote on Aug 22, 2008 7:42 PM:

" Re silverfox's comments about the fun, entertainment, and life lessons learned.." it could be argued that those same lessons are also probably learned by children in other districts with different priorities who do not play in a stadium with astroturf, removable bleachers, or a state-of-the-art scoreboard. Their parents are also probably just as proud watching them as the parents here are. Re gofish's remarks on the funding, further reading indicates that interest from $33 million bond money may be used to air condition the high school gym and/or build a 600-car parking lot at the high school. So much for priorities. "

justhefacts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 2:12 PM:

" hey sliver fox (b.p.) bout time you spoke up , go hard or go home "

silverfox wrote on Aug 22, 2008 1:38 PM:

" Take a little time to add up the football coaching stipends for all the football coaches from 1998 to 2008, The cost of uniforms, maintenance, the very inexpensive tack/CC/football facility, thanks to local contributions, electricity, etc. That will be quite a sum to spend on football in ten years! Now, add the gate receipts for the same ten years. I think you will be surprised at the results.

Let's don't count any of the things we cannot put a price on like the fun, entertainment, and life lessons that are learned by participating in and watching football or any other sport.

Special education is one of many great programs in the JC district that continues to strive for improvements. "

justhefacts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:27 PM:

" gofish ..true colors, coming out on you jc hate, nd and yourself kissing cousins "

gofish wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:13 AM:

" Also don't hesitate to file a complaint with the US Dept of Education's Office for Civil Rights based upon your child's disability, his/her needs not being met, cutback on facilitators, and 5 million dollar football stadium. You can file a complaint online.

wdcrobcolp01.ed.gov/CFAPPS/OCR/contactus.cfm "

gofish wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:07 AM:

" I know that ND has had the same problems as she has said so on the forums in the past.

Big problems for years with JC Schools and special services. One day someone will file a lawsuit in Federal Court and special services will get the same attention that the football field has.

Until then, more functionally illiterate graduates with parents who don't know enough to advocate for their child. Squeeky wheel gets the grease.

Send a letter to Bert Kimble mommy, that worked for me after I was told the teacher didn't have time. Got a meeting with one of the district special ed folks and things improved, but still were not acceptable to the minimum standards for IDEA. "

gofish wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Mommyto3 is 100% correct on how JC schools REGULARLY violate Section 504 and IDEA. I experienced the same problems with teachers not being given and/or not reading the IEP's. When I asked the teacher at TJMS on open house night (been a few years now), I was told that the school district purposefully does NOT hand out IEP's until after 3 weeks into the school year so that the teachers have a chance to get to know the kids first.

I had to insist on and IEP meeting BEFORE school started and was usually not given one.

I even had a teacher specifically tell me that she didn't have time to do reasonable accomodations during an IEP meeting. "

justhefacts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:43 AM:

" your sitaution mommy of three can be be improved and most likley it will , but to say this is the norm instead of an isolated incident , I believe is far fetched, you only read who complains on forums , the
satisfied people far outweight the unhappy , . Why is that everyone who is unhappy thinks the stadium money will rectify their issues, money does not solve every problem "

mommyto3 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:16 PM:

" Attended the open house @ ms tonite. 'pay your taxes but donate MORE money'. take dr. orders LITERALLY but do no offer federally required 504 meetings for special needs kids until AFTER child in care instead of BEFORE like required. talk to the parent as tho they are an idiot and have NO clue about child's illness. shove the dr. order down the throat of the parent. but hey we have this nice pretty and new stadium......HELLO!!!! JCPS has been listed as UNSAFE for children!!! our taxes are paying for this lack of safety, the inability of staff to properly accomodate needy children,and unprofessional treatment of parents by staff.... oh wait our taxes are paying for the stadium. ridiculous! "

justhefacts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:24 PM:

" Grass does;'nt grow cheap when two high schools beat it down playing on it not to mention JV and fresh soph games , has to be resodded every several years, plugged fertilized seeded many times a year , same as practice fields, go fish , its not like your lawn, these fields have cleats on it every day , with one 50 to one hundred kids on it
Then in the summer it needs water several hours a day every 3-4 days during dry summers, it adds up. "

gofish wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:02 PM:

" Don't expect the NT to investigate the "establishment". The ONLY investigative reporting they've done is to disprove an AP story on underground storage tanks. Beyond that the NT doesn't have the kahunas to whisper a negative word about anything local. Take for example the flowery description of the neighborhood surrounding the murder scene. puke. "

snb430 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:29 PM:

" What Dr. Kimble fails to realize is that when you ask one facilitator to work with a large group of students, those students all have to be in the same place. Most of the day that's not a problem, as they are in a contained classroom. But the precious little time they had in the past to be with their peers in the so-called "explo" classes (art, music, PE, etc) has now been taken away completley. As if these kids didn't have a hard enough time fitting in socially, the district has effectively ostracized them enitrely from the "regular" student population. "

snb430 wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:24 PM:

" I would suggest the NT do a little more digging on this issue; the school district's decision to cut back on facilitators has had more of an impact on the special needs students that Dr. Kimble wants you to know. I can attest to the fact that this year at Thomas Jefferson Middle School, due to the lack of facilitaors,a large group of special needs students must all attend the same 6th grade Health class in the afternoon. Some of these special needs kids are not 6th graders and have already taken and passed this course! The district is doing these kids a OUTRAGEOUS academic and social disservice by excluding them from their own grade level. "

gofish wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:51 AM:

" JCpatriot wrote "I don't see why High (school) atheles need astro turf..."

Especially for a 3 month football season and some summer practices.

I wonder if the cost of maintaining grass will be negated by the cost of astroturf over the life of the astroturf, plus it's eventual replacement cost. Grass always grows cheaper and doesn't require the entire field to be replaced. "

wow wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:11 AM:

" Sliverfox, I agree that both academics and athletics can co-exist; however if 1of them has 2get a bigger piece of the pie. In my opinion it should B academics. I say that because after the last ball is caught, kicked, thrown or hit, that athlete is gonna need 2use his/her acdemic skills in order 2live. Unless of course there's the bazillion dollar contract that set's that person up 4life:) I'm sure you'll agree that doesn't happen very often. I do encourage more PE classes in all schools. I also encourage more neighborhood parks so that kids can get more oppotunities 2"PLAY", not compete, PLAY. N my opinion "Playing" helpes developes the basic skills/attitudes/respect needed 4 life's/athletic competition. "

boscoe wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:34 PM:

" How's that Special Ed dropout rate doing at JC? "

silverfox wrote on Aug 20, 2008 6:01 PM:

" By the way, WOW, I am not the best cook in the world! That smell just might be my cookin' and not the fish's fault! Ha! I appreciate you note.

I am an open-minded ole fox! I think the sports and academic programs are interrelated but their funds come from different sources. I know that our "guvment" provides part of the special needs money, but am not sure whether the money at the football gates can be used in special education or not. Great idea to think about, though!

I think Kimble rocks! And, Luther really rocks! Why?; The inexpensive little levy that allowed the hiring of the state's best teachers. "

silverfox wrote on Aug 20, 2008 5:52 PM:

" I think that WOW, MOMOTCS, and MIKEMOJC provide a lot of great insight into this topic. I have taught a lot of special needs kids over the years and worked with their awesome special education staff on a daily basis. It sounds like a bad deal to cut the budget a bit in this area. Take a little time to visit any of the 11 elementary schools, two middles, Simonsen, and the high school, and you will be amazed at the special education that all of out important children are provided.

Please do not confuse the strong sports program with the strong special education program. The sports program, especially football, actually pays for itself. All are successful. "

momotcson wrote on Aug 20, 2008 5:24 PM:

" As the parent of a special needs son i am appalled at this decision. How dare JCPS take away from our children for a football stadium. I am already fighting with JC to get the things my son needs and now a sport becomes more important than his education. My son has an active IEP already and what i say or think already doesn't count on this matter. I have fought tooth and nail to get what my son needs for his education and he is only 4. I dread the upcoming years at JC. They have made it very apparent that education is not #1 in this school district. And not just that, they are asking 30 facilitaters to go to part-time? Who saystheycanaffordthat?Whosthinkingofthem2? "

wow wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:39 PM:

" Silverfox, kudos on the success you and your offspring have had. From your comments I get the impression you're a reasonable person. So can you explain the decison making process Mr. Kimbel/School Board member's have used? How can you defend them spending $300,000 that they don't even have in the bank? How can you defend eliminating 7 neccessary educator position's which have already been funded? Are they going to apply that $200,000 for the fulltime facilitator positions to help pay-off the additonal $300,000 stadium debt? Is that what you consider being fiscally/educationally responsible? Silverfox, I love the smell of frying catfish, but on this, I'm smellin pure BS. Best wishes. "

Mikemojc wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:07 PM:

" This school board and these administrators are the same people that decided to drop $5,000,000 on non-educational resources (the new stadium) when there not enough textbooks available for each kid in each class to have their own book.

The active voters elect the school board, and the school board hires the administrators, who hire the teachers, etc, etc... Maybe its time for the active voters to bring in a new regime? Harass the current administration into explaing their budget decisions? Hold people accountable, literally? "

tjg wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:59 PM:

" Looks like they cut jobs to pay for the stadium. Wonder what the priorities of the school are? Oh, I see........ "

silverfox wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:21 PM:

" I ran out of space! But it gave me time to rebait my fishhook!

Look at the schools in our state. Great sports, academics, bands, clubs, choirs, and science teams, (I know I left out about 100 very successful programs)are all related to one another and taught, led, coached by the same educators, and supported by the same fans. I was fortunate to be part of the academics and athletics. Both were state-of-the-art programs that succeeded because of dedicated and professional educators and parents. Show me a school with weak band and athletic programs and let me look at their dropout rates, academic achievements, and post-high-school success. Oops! Gotta go! My catfish bobber is jigglin'. "

silverfox wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Believe it not, Austoch, you have described the perfect pyramid. I taught in the JC schools and coached two sports for 20 years. My two sons, now both scientists, and very successful, were taught by some of the very best educators in the country. Kindergarten through sixth at a super, better than any private school, elementary school, middle school at one of the best midddle schools in the nation,and high school at JC. The were active in sports and band! You left out the ninth grade center. The pyramid is super if you look at the number of kids and grades in these schools. And, do not forget JC's other excellent school; Helias. Two great schools inJC! "

boscoe wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:06 PM:

" The school district determins what gets put into the IEP.

Talk about the fox watching the henhouse! "

wow wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:01 PM:

" Did the Burt Kimbel just downgrade 7 fulltime Facilitators for Special Needs Students to part-time positions, even though he already had the money alloacated to pay for the fulltime services. You mean spending "about $200,000" on education
is second to paying the $300,000 extra dollars to get that garsh darn stadium completed. I don't get it, but then again I don't have Phd either. In my world common sense rules and 1+1 will alway's equal 2. "

lovemyboys wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Gofish--thanks for the explanation. I knew it wasn't all tax money and most of it was foundation money.

Austock: AGREE! We've needed 2 public high schools for years now. I went to JC and hated it! Had good teachers (don't get me wrong), but it's just too big. You're just a number. They could have 2 high schools the size of Helias and it would be more beneficial and not so intimidating to kids.

Thank God for parochial schools or the public schools would be bursting at the seams! "

hook46 wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:39 PM:

" Go to Wal-mart and observe for an hour, you will get the jest of it "

gearhead1968 wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Did you notice that the stadium projest was $300,000 over budget and they budgeted $100,000 for this to happen. Which means that the school is $200,000 over and the cuts to facilitators will save the school about $200,000. That money will be payed out of the school budget this year, now the boosters say that they will pay it back, but that remains to be seen. "

Austock wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Here is an idea for the JC public schools...START SAVING FOR A SECOND HIGH SCHOOL! With the drop-out rate above 20% (That's 1 out of every 5) why not focus on making our kids better students than athletes? I'm all for athletics in schools for various reasons, but when was the last time this much was spent on expanding the high school? Let's do some math real quick. Jefferson City Public School District has 11 elementary schools, 2 middle schools, and 1 high school. That's a heck of a pyramid. Let's take the money, build another middle school and another high school. Give some of the kids who need a little more personal attention a fighting chance. "

JCpatriot wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:13 PM:

" Supertentant needs to retire or be replaced, just another fine example how he runs the JCPS.
This article really hits below the belt for Families who really need help with these special needs child(ren). "

JCpatriot wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:06 PM:

" Maybe they should of just renovated the old stadium.I think this money should of been used for IEP Students first, I guess part time helpers is better than none?

I don't see why High atheles need astro turf,Kind of excessive I do see Austock point "What a Beautiful Stadium ,Go Jays!". "

gofish wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Lovemyboys, I wish your statement was true, but read here:
www(.)jcps.k12.mo.us/education/components/scrapbook/default.php?sectiondetailid=47902

The foundation is paying $450,000.

"Funding for the stadium project:
The district began growing the capital projects fund in 2006. In 2006 the ending fund balance was $1,188,500. When the state's foundation formula changed in 2006, the district began receiving state funds through the Classroom Trust Fund (gambling proceeds). The district received $2.5 million from the fund in 2006 and another $2.5 million in 2007. Upon completion of this project the ending fund balance will be $1,125,500. The district will continue to receive state funding and those monies may be used for a variety of projects." "

re-search girl wrote on Aug 20, 2008 12:59 PM:

" In reference to hook 46-
As a Mom of a child with autism, and a person that holds degrees in Biomedical Science and Psychology, I find your post offensive. I think that you might want to do a little research before posting about things that you are less informed about. I think that if you do your research, you will find the largest part of children with special needs, especially autism, have physicians and engineers for parents. Are you wanting to get rid of our physicians and engineers to save our community some $$'s in special education? "

gofish wrote on Aug 20, 2008 12:57 PM:

" hook46 wrote "It would help if we kept special need parents from having special need kids."

Your comment indicates that you might not have been born. "

lovemyboys wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:42 AM:

" I know it looks bad, but the new football stadium is funded by community donors to the Athletic Dept...I don't think any of the money for that is coming from the school's budget or tax base.

But, you're right...it does look bad for those who don't know that the Athletic committee has received donations and raised the $$ for the new stadium. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:25 AM:

" Sick. "

hook46 wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:22 AM:

" It would help if we kept special need parents from having special need kids. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Sad isn't it?? But those jocks will be healthy and happy, thats all that matters around here. "

gofish wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:12 AM:

" Saving the district about $200,000 in a year to cut back on special services for kids with a legitimate, documented need while spending $5 Million to support athletics is morally corrupt and reprehensible.

What will the cost be to society when a group of special needs kids are passed through and graduate illiterate, unable to support themselves and maybe even get into criminal behavior? $5 Million of our tax dollars will seem miniscule.

WHat a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE decision! Every parent with a special needs child needs to request an meeting to revise their childs's IEP to require a one-to-one facilitator and back it up with documentation from their doctor/psychiatrist, etc. Expecting 3:1 with special needs children is blind. Pass the hotdogs hypocrits. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:04 AM:

" I think that is high end on the facilitators also. And does anyone realize what they do? I knew of one that had to "shadow" a child all day from being on the bus with them to being with them throughout the day. Tough work. What a shame they are cutting back on this. "

gearhead1968 wrote on Aug 20, 2008 9:04 AM:

" I would question $30,000 for a full time facilitator. I know enough of them and with benefits they are not making anything close to $30,000. Fuzzy math! "

Austock wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:17 AM:

" So let me get this straight....if a prospective parent were to take a tour of JC, and they ask about the budget cuts to the facilitators for special needs kids and the drop-out rate, the superintendent is going to answer with, "Isn't our football statdium pretty?" and the parent is supposed to be ok with this? "

AJK100501 wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:34 PM:

" THIS IS UNBELEIVABLE Jefferson City schools have enough money to build a 5mill stadium but not enough money to take care of the kids who are in need. I don't understand. Why is it that sports would come before the kids who really would benefit from those teachers. "

mommyto3 wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:49 PM:

" I have a special needs child, chronic illness. Her first school provided a facilitator but when we moved we were told there was no funding for it at the new school. she was placed in a classroom with another special needs child, physical disability, and on occassion the facilitator assisted her. I have very little confidence in the staff at her school as they have shown me on occassion that they are not capable of dealing with her illness.Very frustrating! Yet Im treated as though my words are not enough-it must always be backed by the dr. Now to hear others will be without is even more discouraging. I realize that there needs to be budget cuts but not at the cost of the kids. "

little_debe wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:18 PM:

" I think it is wrong to take from the handicapped and add to the sports programs. The special needs kids are always the first to get the boot in the Jefferson City schools. They need an education more than the sports stadium which is WAY over budget. Some special needs kids can go on and do great things in life also. This is so typical of JC schools. "


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