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Police cite 18 for underage drinking at party

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Published: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:39 PM CDT

Jefferson City police are continuing to investigate an underage drinking party that officers busted up early Saturday morning.

Monday, Police Capt. Doug Shoemaker said they cited 18 individuals for minor in possession of alcohol after officers went to 726 Hobbs Road for a loud noise complaint call around 1:30 a.m. It was originally reported that 11 people were cited.

Shoemaker added that the homeowner was at home at the time of this incident, but no charges have been filed yet.

Those who were cited included:

Ross Duncan, 17, Jefferson City
Brock Windsor, 18, Holts Summit
Christopher Skain, 19, Jefferson City
Cody Holtkamp, 18, Holts Summit
Alex Stieffermann, 18, Jefferson City
Craig Burmeister, 19, Jefferson City
Megan Surls, 18, Jefferson City
Austin Huhs, 18, Russellville
Sam Wehrle, 18, Jefferson City
Taylor Schulte, 18, Holts Summit
Derek Bertels, 18, St. Martins
Lisa Pratt, 18, Jefferson City
Brooke Mrasek, 18, Springfield
Blair Thompson, 18, Jefferson City
Evan Thill, 18, Jefferson City
Ben Licklider, 18, Jefferson City
Keith Beckman, 19, Holts Summit

There was also a 16-year-old male who was cited at this party. Because he's a juvenile, authorities cannot legally release his name.

"We are trying to be more proactive in our efforts to cut down on underage drinking," Shoemaker said. "As we head into the school year, we'll be using money from the Missouri Department of Public Safety's Enforcing Underage Drinking Laws grant, which provides overtime funds for officers to intercept and take enforcement actions against those under 21 who consume or purchase alcoholic beverages."


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ODF wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Sportsmom- Generally, a citation is a ticket. You then appear in court, enter a plea and pay your fine or start the legal battle.

Arrest = handcuffs, taken to jail, booked, charged, post bail/bond, etc.. "

Sportsmom wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:08 PM:

" I wonder how many of these parents didn't know? Can you imagine reading about your child's underage drinking from an online listing of all the kids caught? What is the difference between a citation and an arrest anyway? "

ODF wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:31 PM:

" jfking - Maybe before you preached to your kids about how to safely drink while under the LEGAL drinking age you should have explained the LAW to them and what happens if they get caught. Just because they were at home drinking does not make it okay. Would it be okay if they were there doing drugs or other illegal behavior?

Bottom line...they broke the law, they got caught and now they need to put on their big people's pants and take their punishment. "

justhefacts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:28 PM:

" nd if you know anything about projects where many entities work to complete it
that the bids are usually lower than it ends up costing, and remember , many thousands were raised by boosters and donors , glad you are now at a school district than can teach your gifted children "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Aug 20, 2008 12:07 PM:

" Justhefacts Im sure you are glad I moved. Guess what I just moved and yes I am thankful class sizes are smaller but still with A+ school, teachers are friendly and helpful, coaches are respectful to kids and adults...best part I havent had to deal with neighbors dealing drugs, gun shots going off, or break ins...yea Jefferson City is great just glad to be where I am since it seems everyone you run into is polite and friendly it makes for such a nice change. And for what I have said in the past about JCHS...hmmm front page..seems the cost for the stadium is going to be higher than first thought...maybe we should use that money to teach kids the affects of drinking underage? "

justhefacts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:45 PM:

" I'm sure wherever you are it is better than Jefferson City in your eyes nd.. not too many people have missed your diatribes on how bad the schools and our city is
As a matter of fact , this board has been a much kinder gentler board for the most part. Peace be with you and your family "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Aug 19, 2008 2:46 PM:

" jfking I agree there are kids doing worse things but in all honesty lets not down play this either because if any of those children had gotten behind the wheel and hit another no matter if it was a mother, sister, daughter, brother, father, son, or friend it would not bring that person back. And to too many of our youth this is a big big joke and then they go on to drink alot heavier. And as a mother of teens my heart can also feel for both sides of this because I wasnt a perfect teen by no means "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Aug 19, 2008 2:43 PM:

" All I can say is been awhile since I looked at what was going on in Jefferson City. The funny part is yes some of these are very good kids but it shows all kids can get into trouble. So they printed their names yes its an embarrassement to them and their families it goes with breaking the law. Hopefully it will teach them a lesson as well as others. Will teens still drink yes always have and always will...does it make it right? NO that is where the parents have to come into play. We all know they didnt buy the stuff themselves so lets really look at this with the brains everyone claims to have. I must say I am glad I movedFromJC "

jfking wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:36 PM:

" I know how many stupid stupid things my husband and I did when were young, and my heart goes out to anyone who has lost a child/family member to a drunk driver. And as a mother of two teenage boys, this issure has alway been a sore subject with me. It would and still does scare the sh*t out of me just thinking about getting that horrible phone call in the middle of the night that one/all of my children has been killed or killed someone else. Seriously though, the parents that have perfect children need to take a reality check!!Chances are your children are doing way worse things than what theses kids did. "

jfking wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:27 PM:

" WOW!! I cannot believe what I have been reading!!I know alot of these kids that were at the party, and NO they are not BAD kids!! I ALWAYs preached to my kids, ( no they are not perfect), DO NOT DRINK & DRIVE, or RIDE with anyone who has been drinking. Call me or dad and we will pick you up, or you stay put. You parents who think that you can control every move that your child makes are sadly mistaken, from my experience, they end up lying to you and/or putting themselves in situations that they should not be in.I do not promote teenage drinking, but I am not an idiot either! Better safe than sorry. "

ODF wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:02 PM:

" I'm a little confused...this article says 18 were cited, but the article written in the "our opinion" section says 11 "youths" were arrested. Is the conflict in information just due to timing and info that was available at the time the articles were printed? "

gofish wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:03 PM:

" winky615 wrote "I'm not sure of the loophole you're looking for, but that dog don't hunt."

I thought I told you to wait in the truck! ;-) "

winky615 wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:53 PM:

" DUTCH: I'm not sure of your point. "MIP" is a generic term. I like to refer to them as "adult minors" as the term "minor" lends itself to anyone under age 17.

I'm not sure of the loophole you're looking for, but that dog don't hunt. "

gofish wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:48 AM:

" p.s. I am printing new bumper stickers:

"My honor student can out drink your kid"

JK "

mommyof2 wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Funny boscoe, had to laugh out loud at that one. Look people, it all boils down to a few things. Did the kids break the law, yes. Are some of the parents going to have the "my kid is perfect" attitude, yes. Were their names printed in the paper, duh, that's why we're all here, but those of you who think these kids are going to jump off a cliff because of the public embarrasment, give me a break. This is a MINOR offense... very small. These kids will be just fine, trust me. "

boscoe wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:52 AM:

" leeannet wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:34 PM: " Bosco lay down somewhere discussion is fine but to keep draggin it out yea gzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz it wont do anygood gzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz "

Leannet, lucky for you being drunk while surfing the web is not an offense. "

mommyof2 wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:30 AM:

" ODF, the ticket layout for officers was changed in 2003 (updated) but the officer must check a box that indicates State or Local charge. The officer has to physically write out the Statute and Charge Code that they want to present to the prosecutor. The only other checkbox that is important is whether the ticket is for DWI, Accident or Fatal Accident. Just an FYI "

ODF wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:31 AM:

" humor dutchman...it was humor, nothing more.

It's been awhile since I received a speeding ticket, but if I remember right the last one I received on a state/federal highway actually indicated the statute that I violated...seems like there was a checkbox or something for things like speeding, failing to maintain a single lane, etc., and all the trooper had to do was check the box and then he wrote "exceeded posted speed limit" or something. It's all fuzzy...it's been awhile...knock on wood. LOL! "

adutchman wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:29 AM:

" The Missouri Bar association answers the question, "When Are You a Juvenile and When Are You an Adult?" by stating...

"The answer to this question is complicated because, under Missouri law, when you are considered an adult and when you are considered a minor or juvenile varies with the circumstance."

This is just the thing I have come to expect from lawyers and lawmakers. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:07 AM:

" ODF, what ticket? I didn't get a ticket nor did anyone else in my family.

So, there seems to be conflicting definitions in Missouri Statues, because, according to RSMo 660.400(1), An "Adult" is an individual over eighteen (18) years of age.

And the possession law (RSMo 311.325), only states "Any person under the age of twenty-one years, who purchases or attempts to purchase," blah, blah blah.

I does not say a "MINOR" in Possession. So, if like you say, the citation says that you violated RSMo 311.325, then that should hold up in court. "

p-diddle wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:09 PM:

" Somebody get a defibrilator...Mac1974 wrote something I agree with...

The youth today are technically savvy and think they can fall back on that. However, their lack of discipline and motivation will trump whatever strengths they have.

Too many "helicopter parents" in this world.

There are companies in the U.S. now that allow parents of college graduates to come to job interviews with their kids. It is the only way to get the kids to apply.

Parents call up the companies of adult children after the "kid" gets a bad performance review.

I have no fear of this 17-22 year-old generation of taking over anything, other than my fries to my table. "

leeannet wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:34 PM:

" Bosco lay down somewhere discussion is fine but to keep draggin it out yea gzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz it wont do anygood gzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz "

justhefacts wrote on Aug 14, 2008 4:56 PM:

" The bottom line is kids got caught, a parent is in deep stuff, and the police prevented something worse from happening ,as to the media , if this is what they normally do with m.i.p. info list them , then thats okay to, but if they did this because of the number and names , then shame on them , either they all go in the paper , every incident, or none of them do "

gofish wrote on Aug 14, 2008 3:47 PM:

" JaneCitizen wrote "Where along the way did these parents or children forget one of the earliest lessons taught in school? If you Follow the Rules...You Will NOT get into trouble!"

Jane, pull your head out of the sand. Have you not been following the innocenceproject(DOT)org? Following the rules is not a guarantee of not having trouble with law enforcement. Example, I was given a ticket for speeding on MO Blvd a few years ago. I was not speeding, but the giant HumVee that passed me was. The Hummer pulled into the left turn lane and stopped. The cop pulled behind the Hummer to do a U-Turn in the middle of the blvd. The cop lied and said he never saw the Hummer.BS "

Sophie wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:58 AM:

" Whether you think the age to drink should be changed, whether you know the people involved in the bust or you know the house they were at is not so important. The subject is that the cops busted a party with underage drinkers. They did their job by giving them MIP's. It doesn't matter if they were drinking in someone's basement. They broke the law. The police did their job. They may have prevented something worse happening or maybe nothing at all. But they did their job. I applaud them for doing their job. "

ODF wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Okay...I was bored...here is definitions I found in a quick search:

"Adult", an individual who has attained the age of twenty-one years, notwithstanding that an individual may be an adult at a different age under other laws of this state;

Minor", an individual who has not attained the age of twenty-one years, notwithstanding that the individual may be an adult under other laws of this state;

Sorry dutchman, look like you're going to have to just buck up and pay that ticket!! LOL!! "

ODF wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:17 AM:

" Chapter 311; Liquor Control Law; Section 311.325

Purchase or possession by minor, a misdemeanor--container need not be opened and contents verified, when--burden of proof on violator to prove not intoxicating liquor--section not applicable to certain students, requirements.

The law uses the term "minor", so I'm willing to bet somewhere it defines minor for the purpose of enforcing alchol laws, but I'm not about to research it.

Another thing, generally tickets state you are in violation of "statute X" and you are cited as such. Since the term "minor" is in the statute I'd be willing to bet it stands in court. But hey, if you want to drop several thousand dollars to challenge it, more power to you. "

JaneCitizen wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:17 AM:

" The Law is the Law. Where along the way did these parents or children forget one of the earliest lessons taught in school? If you Follow the Rules...You Will NOT get into trouble! "

jclocal wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:40 AM:

" The way I see it is if they don't want to play by the rules and then head outta town after high school then we didn't need them that bad here in the first place. Theres no sense in sitting here worrying about kids running out of town. I have plenty of friends that did that very same thing, only to eventually end up coming back here because they were attracted to our community. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:22 AM:

" ODF That is exactly my point. They are guilty of violating RSMo 311.325. Being a minor or not has nothing to do with.

So why are they being charged with "MINOR" in Possession? "

boxergal wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:09 AM:

" AMEN. Run, run, like the wind. ha!!!!!!!!! "

justaguy wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:39 AM:

" I'll bet most of these kids will be long gone by next summer--to college, the military, jobs, etc. Probably to bigger cities, where they'll tell tales of the small-town finger wagging that followed in the wake of this big "scandal". Meanwhile, we'll look forward to the NT's next expose' of wayward 18-year-olds and their (hopefully rich) parents. And we wonder why young people leave Jefferson City in droves. "

Mac wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:28 AM:

" ~~~~~Another thing to think about is in a couple years we will be deciding your futures!~~~~

No you won't, at least not the majority of you. You grew up in the burbs with your mommies driving you to soccer games and violin practice until you were 19. The only thing you'll be deciding is which video game to play next. The majority of today's youth don't even move out of their parent's homes until they're 25 or older. I think they should move the drinking age to 25 because of the dumbed-down, immature kids these days. "

ODF wrote on Aug 14, 2008 8:58 AM:

" 311.325. 1. Any person under the age of twenty-one years, who purchases or attempts to purchase, or has in his or her possession, any intoxicating liquor as defined in section 311.020 or who is visibly intoxicated as defined in section 577.001, RSMo, or has a detectable blood alcohol content of more than two-hundredths of one percent or more by weight of alcohol in such person's blood is guilty of a misdemeanor. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 14, 2008 8:50 AM:

" Just an interesting note:

This is the same neighborhood that is against having a hotel constructed on the property next to the Learfield building. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 14, 2008 8:47 AM:

" MIP is "MINOR IN POSSESSION OF ALCOHOL", right?

And according to Missouri law, a "MINOR" is someone under the age of 18, right? At least the Missouri Revised Statutes states that a person reaches the age of MAJORITY at 18.

SO all of the individuals that were 18 and older were falsely charged. They should have been charged with UNDERAGE POSSESSION OF ALCOHOL not MINOR IN POSSESSION OF ALCOHOL. Perhaps a good lawyer can get these persons off on a techicallity.

Oh, and all of you adults 21 and over, don't forget to take out your own trash, least your children can be charged with possession. LOL!!!

Also, be responsible, don't ever drink and drive! "

jclocal wrote on Aug 14, 2008 7:53 AM:

" I cannot say the same for todays youth. "

jclocal wrote on Aug 14, 2008 7:53 AM:

" To some extent you are right alcohol, but for now it is illegal, if you don't like it go talk to your state reps to get something done. Teens are trying too hard too fast to be an adult. You have your whole life to experience, please don't think you can cram everything in by the time your 18 or 19. I'm in my mid 20's and even with the 5-6 year age gap things have changed quite a lot, not for the better. I look at teens today and cannot believe the things they are doing and they way they act. Maybe it's just I was raised to respect my elders whether 10 or 50 years older than me... "

iluvalcohol wrote on Aug 14, 2008 12:12 AM:

" Honestly, people grow up! All of you are acting like little kids!
Society has confused the world to teenagers. You call us adults when we are 18, but then you say we aren't adults because we can't drink. In my eyes, thats confusing. Yet, we can go to war and die for our country, buy "inappropriate movies", decide to go to college and vote. That's being an adult. Right? Aren't these pretty big decisions to make? Another thing to think about is in a couple years we will be deciding your futures! "

cards06 wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:44 PM:

" D-Man- you should probably get your facts straight before you start talking. The billboard and commercial was not for MADD but a different organization. Tim Thompson did his job. He didn't wasn't unfair to people and was fair as he could be...give me an example where he was unfair someone because i can't think of one. Also, Tim Thompson did not get a demotion but a PROmotion. Completely different...
And feel free to think whatever you want about his daughter, but there is no reason to bring their family into it. "

boscoe wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:29 PM:

" leeannet wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:05 PM:" GZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ enough just leave it be this is all ignorant people need to really mind their own DROP IT ALL move on gets old "

Don't read the forum if you are tired of it.

Why do people want to limit discussion? "

leeannet wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:05 PM:

" GZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ enough just leave it be this is all ignorant people need to really mind their own DROP IT ALL move on gets old "

Unknown User wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:05 PM:

" I remember being arrested at 18 yrs. of age and taken to jail in handcuffs for Minor in Possession of 3:2 beer. I got to face Wyman Baysinger and then good ole McCormick Wilson. That did some good back then. You can sure see how times have changed. It's just a big shame. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Aug 13, 2008 6:48 PM:

" flowkradd...you nailed it when you said it was the good old boys method of raising kids. I've known some less than smart people who have let their kids & their kids' friends get drunk, in their garage. Only later, to have to sit by their son's hospital bed - praying he would recover from a drunken driving accident. I don't think the lesson sunk in even then. "

DMan wrote on Aug 13, 2008 6:17 PM:

" Hmm... some of these kids are kids that appear in the MADD commercials THAT TARGET TEENS AGAINST underage drinking. Hahahahh What a joke. Jefferson City is so full of politics that it's sick. Someone mentioned if there would be any athletic punishment for them... I sure know that if Mr. Tim Thompson would have know he would have skrewed them over just like he did everyone. Note his demotion. Now look at his daughter.. pshh.. "

retired wrote on Aug 13, 2008 6:12 PM:

" L. Harness
HARNESS CONSTRUCTION and DEVELOPMENT, L.L.C.
JEFFERSON CITY, MO. 65109

With all the comments on here I thought most people would have figured out the person and what he owns and does--but just saw a question about him. "

concernedparent wrote on Aug 13, 2008 5:09 PM:

" Mommyof2-Thanks for agreeing with me on directing my frustration and anger toward my child first.My child got to the party driven by one of the young adults that was not ticketed or driking.I thank God for every chance I get. One issue I'd like to point out was this party would never had happened if the parent at the home (aware of the drinking) would have sent them packing (which is what any responsible adult would have done),another is there were around 25 kids there, some sober and going to drive others home and some drinking that the police let drive home after talking to them.I find that terrifying. Parties won't stop,but the parents need to quit contributing,I'm at a loss. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Aug 13, 2008 5:00 PM:

" It boils down to prevention. If printing the names causes enough shame, or causes these kids to stop and think before getting out and getting wild & drunk - then maybe these kids won't have their name engraved on a marble slab anytime soon. I surely hope so "

gofish wrote on Aug 13, 2008 4:52 PM:

" So, who is this person? And what's their connection to the community that everyone keeps chiming about? "

gofish wrote on Aug 13, 2008 4:51 PM:

" Already said that lumpsinthesandbox "

boscoe wrote on Aug 13, 2008 4:43 PM:

" Oh my. It appears that there is a verified history of alcohol abuse problems at 726 Hobbs Road.

This case may be a little bigger than what initially meets the eye.

Why would a parent with prior alcohol/legal issues allow a party of underaged drinkers to happen under his roof?

Good thing there were no wrecks/killings from this party. "

boscoe wrote on Aug 13, 2008 4:40 PM:

" "this 18 young adults got tickets, not even arrested, so i say lets put all tickets in the paper...."

A ticket is the same as an arrest. "

gofish wrote on Aug 13, 2008 4:04 PM:

" A reverse address lookup (public info) on 411.com gives this:

Harness, L W
726 Hobbs Rd
Jefferson City, MO 65109-6817
(573) 893-7511

Local Embarq phone book gives the same info.

Casenet gives the same person/address.

Casenet also has a case wherein the same person listed at this address lost their license for 1 year after refusing a breathalyzer.

So, assuming no one has moved since the June 2008 phone book, courtesy of all public records, there are some answers about the occupant of 726 Hobbs Rd. If you are curious of the location, Mapquest it. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 3:51 PM:

" Cards06 - Many smaller newspapers do put every name in the paper...speeding ticket, seat belt violation, etc.. The NT gets to decide what is printed...if you don't like it then buy yourself a newspaper and run it the way you want.

This was not one person that got an MIP...it was a party with underaged kids drinking....big difference, IMO. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 3:49 PM:

" Bingo. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 3:48 PM:

" Jigger - If this was one kid drinking that got an MIP, I'd agree with you..but that wasn't the case. It was a party that was out of control enough the police were called and there were MANY underaged people drinking. Big difference between a single individual getting busted with a beer or open container. "

cards06 wrote on Aug 13, 2008 3:43 PM:

" to me, its not so much the names are in the paper but the fact that every young adult who gets an mip does not have their name in the paper. this 18 young adults got tickets, not even arrested, so i say lets put all tickets in the paper....EVERY person who gets an mip from now on must have their name in the paper. my neighbor got an mip on prom night, yet his name was not in the paper.
these kids most likely got their name in the paper because of who the families of a few of the kids are and who they are. THAT is not right. I'm ashamed of the newstribune and the jcpd "

Jigger wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:54 PM:

" That's what I'm saying. If they drank and drive and killed someone.. THAT is a serious crime and their names should be in the paper for it. But the fact that they got a MIP is not newspaper worthy. Yes they got ticketed before anything serious could happen, but did we all need to know about it? "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:47 PM:

" The "21" drinking age, if obeyed, helps individuals to mature before trying to make decisions while under the influence of alcohol. Whether the decision is to get behind the wheel, have unprotected sex, go off with some unsavory villian... If adults have trouble functioning with too much alcohol in their blood stream - imagine a teen. They are putting themselves - and their futures at risk. Wrecks, pregnacy, STD, reputation..... "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:38 PM:

" Jigger...are you for real? Listen carefully to what people are saying...if these kids drink, then drive, have an accident, injure or kill someone...there is a crime happening. Please be kind and for the safety of the rest of us...STAY OFF THE ROAD! "

boscoe wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:33 PM:

" I sure HOPE these kids were not spending the night at the party. That would be committing ADULTRY.

As someone else pointed out earlier, the good thing is all these "good kids" will soon leave Jefferson City to go to college and they will never come back.

We don't have any crime in our sleepy little town, and we sure don't need these hoodlums and their drunkedness.

Now, off to the Eagles Lodge to tie one one and play a little poker upstairs... "

thetruth wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:30 PM:

" ya because some speeding tickets on case net def mean this is a terrible group of kids. "

Jigger wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Posting names in the paper is for serious crimes ONLY. I don't care what anyone thinks but a MIP is NOT a serious crime! I had one myself when I was young. Its no different than a speeding ticket. I got a speeding ticket this morning. Is my name going to be front page news? I don't think so. Speeding is dangerous! I could have killed someone! Shouldn't I be made an example of? Shouldn't I be embarrassed by making the paper so you people can gossip about me on the Internet?? I ran a red light the other day but didn't get caught. I could have killed someone then too! "

jcstudentmom wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:56 PM:

" Here is what I see. Mind you this is my OPINION...

People wanting to know who's house this was at. To me this is just plain nosy. Unless there are formal charges made, it's NONE YA BUSINESS!! ODF, we agree on something!!

Legal drinking age debate: If you want the laws changed, take it up with your legislators. IT is currently against our laws to have those young 'adults' under 21 drinking. end of story.

NT printing names: it is public record, but the way people have reacted is shameful. It appears that people THRIVE to hold themsleves higher than their neighbors......what if this was YOUR family? Would you appreciate the comments? "

082504 wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:44 PM:

" For one I am glad that these kids got in trouble for this. Who cares if their names got printed. So what if they did. I know that if it was my child and they were over at a friends house drinking then I would be happy that the police found them in the house drinking and not on the street dead. What if one of these kids decided to drink and drive? What if they decided to go for a drive and hit someone else. Then everyone would understand why their names got posted! "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:21 PM:

" Crossing over to case net makes this very interesting......Nope, not a place I would want my teenager hanging out. "

lumpsinthesandbox wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:16 PM:

" As for printing the names, they are of age. You play, you pay. I am glad they printed the names .... and I read them very carefully. Rest assured, if any of my teenagers friends appeared on this list, there would be no further hanging out. Reverts to under my roof, my rules. By taking the address, and looking under Cole County Property tax, it is quite easy to find the home owner's name. "

Anheuser Busch... American made wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:08 PM:

" folks i know nothing about?... i know the majority of them. thanks though. you just act like what you all say means something. nobody is gonna take what you think into any consideration. they will still print the names. the kids are still gonna get in trouble. eventually the parents name will be given. end of it. nothing any of us can do. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:00 PM:

" How was the printing of names any more wrong than when they print the names of someone charged with possession of pot, evading arrest by fleeing, or charged with child abuse? I'm sorry, but I fail to see why one person charged with a crime shouldn't have their name printed and another should....and at what point would you draw the line between what's acceptable to publish and what isn't?

The homeowner wasn't/isn't charged (yet)but you want to pring their name?

I'm trying to understand, but I fail to see the logic. Charges filed in court are public record and eligible to be printed in the paper if the paper chooses. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:45 PM:

" ha!!!!!!!!! I don't diddle, Mr. Diddle, sorry. ha!!!!!! "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:43 PM:

" The drinking was wrong, the printing of names was wrong. Print the name of the homeowner if nothing else. Done. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:42 PM:

" Anheuser Busch... American made wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:37 PM:

" you all are so stupid. thinking your opinion matters whatsoever. "

...and yet here you are....reading every one of them...and making such an "enlightened" observation about folks you know nothing about. ROFLMAO!! "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:41 PM:

" Exactly Jigger - Look at how many males were there. What if there got talk started about my car can beat yours and a road race ensued (oh yeah, sorry, that never happens amoung that age group). What if one of those "fine" young people killed themselves or God forbid another innocent person?

I'm am still just astonished by the # of people defending these people's actions in flagrantly breaking the law...it's just astounding. "

Anheuser Busch... American made wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:37 PM:

" you all are so stupid. thinking your opinion matters whatsoever. "

Jigger wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Cinnamon wrote.. "Finally, what if the police were not called, and a carload of these kids left the party and plowed into someone on the highway? Would you have recommended the newspaper overlook the story since the family has given so much to this community? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! "

Now that would have been "News worthy"! That fact that they got a MIP is Not! Fact is.. putting these young adults name in the paper will not change anything. I am willing to bet these same young adults will be at the next party. "

Anheuser Busch... American made wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:36 PM:

" I remember my first beer! "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:35 PM:

" dutch - You're ASSuming that young adults not old enough to be drinking, but were doing so anyway had enough common sense (which is out the window anyway since they chose to break the law) that EVERYONE was spending the night. I'd be willing to bet that not everyone drinking would have spent the night or had a sober chaueffer....after all kids will be kids....and they already showed a lack of common sense by breaking the law to begin with. So you're assuming as much as the people you are complaining about assuming things. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:31 PM:

" You often talk about the folks in JC that think they are better/higher class than others, and the influence they are alleged to have....but now because you know some of them you seem to be advocating exactly what I believe you have complained about.

The law was broken, the cops were called, young men and women got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and the NEWSpaper reported it. Don't want to be charged and have your name in the paper....don't break the law. "

p-diddle wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:29 PM:

" unless you aren't doing anything Saturday... "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:28 PM:

" I know, I know, I said I was done (again) but I have to ask about this...

Furious to think that a lot of these people have given so much to that town and then the paper goes and does this. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

How did the paper do "this" to anyone? Did the paper MAKE the young adults consume alchohol? Did the paper send the police?

The paper often prints the names of people charged...that is what they did in this case. Should the young ADULTS have been protected because of their parents' influence? Should they be above the law? "

p-diddle wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:28 PM:

" boxergal:
understood about gossip etc.

But being new to JC I don't know any of these names from Adam, much less their socio-economic status. I didn't see anything in the story about that.

So it seems that anyone who inserts opinions about class (positive or negative) into the argument is injecting more into the story than is in black and white.

By injecting class we open the door to say it is OK for one class of people and not another.

Or at least that charge could be asserted.

As for my affairs, discretion is the greater part of valor. "

cinnamon wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:20 PM:

" A lot of you are expressing personal opinion as to what you think the drinking age SHOULD be. The bottom line is that what these kids were doing was illegal.

Don't the police impound vehicles when they find drugs? Parents who host parties like this should have their homes impounded!

Finally, what if the police were not called, and a carload of these kids left the party and plowed into someone on the highway? Would you have recommended the newspaper overlook the story since the family has given so much to this community? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:48 AM:

" Did I say 'kids', sorry, I meant young adults! "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:47 AM:

" gofish wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:27 AM:

" I say they go to court and plead that they were having a religious ceremony, praying to God that they survive their freshman year! "

Amen to that!

Also, people seem to be ASSuming that these kids were going to be driving themselves home. I suspect however, that they were probably going to be pulling an "all nighter" and staying over. At least I hope that was their plan.

Drinking and Driving would be totally irresponsible! "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:43 AM:

" PS - dear Mr. Diddle, never have an affair or it will end up in the paper and on the lips of every citizen in JC. ha!!!! "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Just trying to be formal. Mr. Diddle. I don't hate it. I hate the gossiping that goes on, thats all. And somehow I hate the jealousy. I see something here that others probably don't. These are upper class kids. I am reading people saying these kids won't amount to a darn. Don't you think that smacks of jealousy? Sorry, I call it like I see it and that town is a little Peyton place, thats all. Other than that, well, its fine. "

p-diddle wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:39 AM:

" boxergal:
Mr. Diddle? You say that and I look around for my dad.

I am fairly new to JC, and I was only asking because you seem so over-the-top negative about the town.

You do seem to want to protect your friends, but why at the expense of the town.

The town is what it is. Your words can't change that. You must know this, so why spout the hatred unless you simply get off on being a hater? "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Very admirable opiniononly. And honest. You are the one that lost the child, right? I have a friend in MADD that speaks also. Good for you all for taking a tragedy and turning it into something good. I hope you don't think I am defending these kids, I am just being realistic about drinking as you are. "

gofish wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:27 AM:

" I say they go to court and plead that they were having a religious ceremony, praying to God that they survive their freshman year! "

opiniononly wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:14 AM:

" I will not sugar coat anything I speak about and will expect respect while attending the panel however, your young adult will hopefully leave with a good message and know that each and everyone of them have choices to make in life. I will by no means preach to them or make them feel bad about themselves in anyway shape or form that is not how to get through to anyone young adults or the adults I see monthly that come in for multiple DWI offenses and are still on the streets. I am thankful that all involved were safe that night and maye that is because the party was broke up before any of them possibly would have drove home. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:10 AM:

" But isn't it illegal for anyone under age 21 to drink? No, it isn't. In most states and communities, people of any age can drink for religious reasons, for health purposes, or under the direct supervision of their parents. And in at least 19 states, it is not specifically illegal for people under the age of 21 to drink.

Additionally, teaching responsibility toward alcohol doesn't require that young people consume alcohol any more than teaching them civics requires them to run for mayor or vote for president. We teach civics to prepare young people for civic responsibility when they become adults. If we drink sensibly, and think our children may choose to drink as adults, then we need to teach them responsibility, as well. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:08 AM:

" In spite of the fact that most Europeans promote responsibility and moderation by introducing alcohol to their children within the protective and supportive environment of the home, we ignore their successful example by denying children meaningful alcohol education in the false belief that young people can't handle alcohol. Our actions lead them to drink in uncontrolled environments, such as in cars, hanging around street corners with their friends, at unsupervised parties, and similar undesirable situations. These are the worst possible environments in which to learn appropriate drinking behaviors. When our unprepared young people subsequently fail to drink appropriately, we see that as "proof" that young people shouldn't drink. In this way, our society is creating the problems it fears. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:07 AM:

" In Europe, where the drinking age is generally 16, alcohol is served in some school cafeterias. In referring to the dinner in Paris, alcohol authority Dr. Dwight Heath of Brown University explained that "that is the best way for young people to learn about drinking. It deglamorizes it, it demystefies -- they are drinking in a responsible situation with adults, as an accompaniment to food." "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:06 AM:

" The act of drinking is seen as natural and normal. While there is little or no social pressure to drink, there is absolutely no tolerance of abusive drinking by anyone, anytime, under any circumstance.

Education about alcohol starts early and starts in the home. Young people are taught -- through their parents' good example and under their supervision -- that if they drink, they must do so moderately and responsibly. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:06 AM:

" Many groups around the world have learned how to consume alcohol widely with almost no problems. Those groups familiar to most Americans include Italians, Jews, and Greeks. The success of such groups has three parts:

1. beliefs about the substance of alcohol
2. the act of drinking
3. education about drinking

In these successful groups, the substance of alcohol is seen as neutral. It is neither a terrible poison nor is it a magic substance that can transform people into what they would like to be. "

opiniononly wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:04 AM:

" This not the first time they have drank and it will not be the last. For those of you posting that have teenagers, do you think they do no wrong? Maybe you should think of it as maybe yours just have not been caught yet. I again do not condone underage drinking but it is a reality. I have a young adult and I am sure she just has not been caught. Does not make her a bad seed. All of the mip offenders will be going to a MADD panel and will be hearing me speak. I speak every month and by no means am I judgemental - i speak for safety and awareness. "

kingfishstevens wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:57 AM:

" Thrive on it or not, we have laws for a reason, if you don't think the age limit is fair, talk to your rep. We have transparency in our judicial system to reduce abuse by law enforcement and the the judicial system. It's not perfect but it's the best there is. Someone broke a law and we know who they are, this is not outragous, it's a Friday night in anytown America. Yawn. "

MK wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:52 AM:

" I am another one here who also believes that the drinking age should be lowered to 18. After all that is the age in which they are called adults when dealing with the criminal court. It is also an age at which you can be drafted an entrusted with the responsibility to kill others in the name of your country. It just doesn't seem right to say they are mature enough for these things but can't be mature enough to drink responsibly.

On a side note. I would much rather see kids use marijuana than alcohol if they were to do one or the other. Legalize pot instead of alcohol for a safer community. "

opiniononly wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Yes the law was broken here but these young adults could have broken much worse laws than underage drinking. Do I condone it - no, but does it happen - absolutely. So many of you have branded them saying they will end up in D.O.C, and that they were supposed to be role models, etc. For the ones giving these young adults such a hard time, I am wondering have you not done ANY wrong in your life time? Speeding is illegal, running a redlight, I could go on and on. Have you ever gone over the speed limit? These young adults will not turn bad due to receiving a MIP. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:34 AM:

" And it does not bore me, it makes me furious. Furious to think that a lot of these people have given so much to that town and then the paper goes and does this. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Dear Mr. Diddle - I have relatives there, lived there for years and hate the darned gossipy place. I worked with the owners of this home and others. I am commenting because I know some of these people and (get ready for this) I want to. Is that alright with you or do I have to check in with you next time I want to comment. I repeat, I know some of these people, I raised my kid in that community, he went to school at JC. Why is it you people can't get over the fact that some people think JC thrives on this stuff? "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:31 AM:

" With alcohol being illegal to people under 21, it encourages minors to consume large amounts at a time, instead of having a drink or two in a public setting.

This contributes to binge drinking and leads to alcoholism. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:28 AM:

" Maybe it's time we change the LAW and lower the legal drinking age back to 18.

Oh, I forgot, there was a ballot initiative for this (missouri18todrink dot org) but it did not make the ballot. I wonder why, maybe people did not want to lose that federal highway money. "

braddigan wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:23 AM:

" thank you, aduchman.

everybody should take a look at the link below. I personally beleieve the legal drinking age should be 19. This separates the line more for where drinking is not okay (high school) and where it is okay (college).

I've traveled abroad and drank abroad when under 21. The thing is that in foreign countries, yes the drinking age is lower, but because of that many times the first drink is with their parents. The kids learn how to drink responsibly by observing and drinking with their parents, and in most foreign countries, you just don't get drunk. Its irresponsible, and people don't think its funny. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:22 AM:

" Fun Fact in Missouri:

Anyone under the age of 21 who takes out household trash containing even a single empty alcohol beverage container can be charged with illegal possession of alcohol in Missouri. Missouri Revised Statutes (311.325).

How's that grab you for a state law. You don't even need to drink to get a MIP. "

p-diddle wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:19 AM:

" This topic bores me...

But the comments interest me...

boxergal: Do you live in Jefferson City? If so, why? You hate this place. Life is too short to be this miserable because of the place you live. If you don't live in Jefferson City, why do you care to comment? "

jcgal06 wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:17 AM:

" I have read a lot of posts that sayst these people should face the fact that they got caught and not complain, which i agree with but as far as any of us know they are not complaining. it is all the people in here that really have nothing to do with it. we can discuss our views on underage drinking and on the fact that NT printed their names but we can't bring them personally into it buy saying they are complaining about it because we don't know that they are. Most of them are very smart people and probably knew that if they got caught they would be in trouble. it is the "it can't happen to me" state of mind that madethemdoitanyway. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:15 AM:

" By the way, the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 does not prohibit persons under 21 (also called youth or minors) from drinking. The term "public possession" is strictly defined and does not apply to possession for the following:

An established religious purpose, when accompanied by a parent, spouse or legal guardian age 21 or older

Medical purposes when prescribed or administered by a licensed physician, pharmacist, dentist, nurse, hospital or medical institution

In private clubs or establishments

In the course of lawful employment by a duly licensed manufacturer, wholesaler or retailer. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:13 AM:

" One thing that I found out was that the US has the highest minimum legal drinking age of any one country and most "experts" believe that is too high.

I also found that "The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 required all states to raise their minimum purchase and public possession of alcohol age to 21. States that did not comply faced a reduction in highway funds under the Federal Highway Aid Act"

So, great states of the U.S.A., either raise your legal drinking age or we will cut off some of your money. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:10 AM:

" I have found some very good reading on this debated subject and would like to share...

www2(dot)potsdam(dot)edu/hansondj/LegalDrinkingAge.html

Don't forget to repalce the (dot) with a real one. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:08 AM:

" Do I believe the law is right? No. Do I think the law should be changed and return the legal drinking age back to 18. The same age that can get you killed in Iraq. DEFINATELY!

Our youth and young adults are going to drink regardless of what laws are on the books. I know that I did. Was I wrong to break the law? Absolutely. Did I care at that time, not a bit.

However, it would have been great to have been taught how to drink responsibly, that is don't drink and drive, etc. "

Anheuser Busch... American made wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:02 AM:

" There are 16 of them kids that are 18 years of age plus. I think if they are old enough to die for our country in a war, then they should be allowed to drink a beer when they feel like it. "

adutchman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:54 AM:

" The problem of identifying the optimum drinking age to reduce alcohol abuse is likely to continue. It involves issues of freedom, responsibility, parental rights, religion, politics and many other realms of life. And it is a very important problem so let the discussion continue.

I drank a six pack of Miller beer before I was 16. I don't drink today. I never had a DWI. I attended many "keg parties" in my youth.

I believe that Responsibility is obeying the law and if you are an adult under the age of 21, you should not drink because it is against the law and not because I think that you can not drink responsibly. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Maybe they should have been drinking at a mud run and it would have been looked at in a better light. What a joke. "

jclocal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:50 AM:

" Bottom line is it was against the law and they got caught. They all need to be mature enough to take their punishment and humility. News Tribune did nothing wrong here, its all public information. 18 M.I.P's at a party is a big deal, the public should know about that. And no this isn't coming from an old fart, I'm a guy in my mid 20's and did do all this stuff these kids got caught for, I was lucky enough to never get caught, but they did and need to pony up and not complain about unfair treatment. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:47 AM:

" These parents probably give back way more to the community than you all ever thought of doing. I know the owners, they are far from heathens either. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:45 AM:

" Don't flatter Jeff. City. I hardly meant the world. And actually, if it was my kid I would want the group to get together to do something that would make the community realize these kids aren't some sort of heathens. But you know what? These kids are headed for bigger and better than this po dunk god awful community. They probably will never be back. Its water under the bridge. Small town, gossiping, back stabbing small town news. "

mommyof2 wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:43 AM:

" They ARE prioritizing... they're keeping drunk kids off the streets! If one of them would have gotten into a car and killed one of YOUR family members, you all would be bitc&hing about how the cops didn't do their jobs. Open your eyes people... the kids didn't walk to the party.... and they sure as h#ll didn't walk home... that requires DRIVING. You people amaze me. "

cinnamon wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:36 AM:

" Hey you nailed it! These kids doing an ad will solve everything. Every underage kid around the world will see it, learn from it, and pass on the advice for generations to come. AN AD IS THE SILLIEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:21 AM:

" Thank you gofish. Its called prioritizing. I still say there is more to this than meets the eye. And by the way, what kid does NOT have a casenet record. Give me a break in life. They speed, they get parking tickets and (horrors) they get caught with grass. OH MY GOD the world will come to and end. By the way how many of you perm your hair? "

gofish wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:15 AM:

" I hope the judge is smart enough to throw this garbage out of court.

A child is missing, a teenager is assaulted and robbed at Hyvee the assailant still loose, etc, and this week's focus is kicking sober kids out of parking lots and citing MIP's on private property. Geeeezzzz.

And for the teens that were busted,if the police show up at the door, send a sober parent to the door and refuse to allow the police entry into the house without a search warrant. Learn from your real mistake, fear of the "almighty" po-po's. A noise complaint doesn't equate to the need for entry into a private residence.

Shame on the Tribune for printing the names. Poor Taste. "

sue2008 wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Just did some research 12 out of the 18 listed have from one all the way up to 7 incidents on casenet, these kids are not innocent my any means good job NT for posting the names would love to know the name of the adult who allowed this party to go on. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Yea, well, its is illegal and I don't condone it. But its like teen sex, you aren't going to stop it. You just hope and pray they protect themselves in one way or the other. Hopefully, these kids will NEVER hit the streets after drinking. I think they need to do an ad. Some sort of public service message. Turn it into something good. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:41 AM:

" Boxer - Kids will surprise you, no doubt, sometimes for the better, sometimes not! LOL!!

Bottom line to all those saying they did nothing wrong, they were being responsible, etc., they knew they weren't supposed to be drinking, they chose to ignore the law, they got caught. Don't do the crime if you can't handle the consequences.

...in my best goat roper voice....Y'all have a good day now, ya hear.... LOL! "

Anheuser Busch... American made wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:27 AM:

" When i got my m.i.p. we were out driving around, but we did have a sober chauffer. The JCPD cop said, "I understands that you are kids and you're gonna do these things, but be safe about it and stay at home and drink." Good job kids. Im proud. I guess if you are gonna get an M.I.P. you may as well be on the roads. You get the same punishment for being smart about it. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:24 AM:

" I am not defending anyone. Give these kids a chance to tell what happened. No, they were not legal age but who knows if they were going to spend the night or not. You can say that you will do this or that with your kid but trust me, you will SO eat your words in the future. NEVER say NEVER, it will bite you in the rear. I know some of the parents, they are great parents. Kids, you gotta love em. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:19 AM:

" Use a sober chaueffer...when you're old enough to legally drink.

I cannot believe all the people up in here defending illegal activities....underage kids drinking and I'm sure ultimately driving. Wow!

I'm just astonished....and now I'm done with this (again).... "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:13 AM:

" OH and ODF, I KNOW who lives in that neighborhood. Again, it makes me laugh. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:11 AM:

" I will put up with just so much. I wouldn't put up with beer bottles, etc. I have endured parties but they were pretty well contained. There is a limit though as to how much I would put up with. All of this makes me laugh so hard. My parents endured parties of the popular kids next door to them. Caught one of them whizzing on their cars. But they never called anyone. Kids, don't ya love em. You all have a long, long road ahead of you. Mine is raised and all I have to say is "YIPPEEEEEE"!!!!! "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:09 AM:

" Somehow all of this aggravates me. They pounded into these kids heads to use a sober chauffer. Why do you all think they don't do that? I am with someone else, they should have waited until they crawled into their cars to pick them up. I have to tell you, I truly think there is more to this than you are hearing. This is an affluent neighborhood with lots of people that would love to probably humiliate someone else for their own good. Makes me sick to my stomach. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:04 AM:

" boxer - Why do you assume it was some old fart that had nothing better to do? Maybe trash was being thrown in their yard...people urinating outside...cars parked in their driveway/yard...loud noise.....oh wait, it was a noise complaint at 1:30am.

You talk about your neighbors and their bad ways, but you'd be okay with a loud teenage party next door at 1:30 in the morning? I doubt it. I'm just sayin'.... "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:01 AM:

" Actually Rick, I am older than you. But I HOPE I never turn into one of those bubble haired do gooders. They drive me nuts. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:00 AM:

" Rickster - I agree with most of what you said. We had parties in school...we drank...but we also knew that we'd pay the consequences if we were busted. We have very few, if any tragedies related to drinking and/or drinking and driving. Why? I really don't know, but it's not because we were being "responsible". LOL!

There is no such thing as being a responsible minor drinking. Look up "responsible" in the dictionary...breaking the law does not meet the definition. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:59 AM:

" I AM your age Rickster. Its all a state of mind. "

mommyof2 wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:59 AM:

" that was supposed to be thank you.. not than you "

mommyof2 wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:58 AM:

" Concernedparent. First, if what you say is true, than you for directing your anger first to your child. So many parent raise their children with the "mine is perfect and does nothing wrong" attitude, so in my opinion, your right on. Unfortunetly, I do not agree with your stance of the NT printing the names. Sorry, I've had 3 close friends killed by drunks. How did you child get to the party? Did he/she drive? My point is made. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:56 AM:

" cards06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:06 PM:

" nobody deserves public humiliation. if you think the kids do, do the parents? the friends? the friends of parents?
As for them being leaders and role models, yes they were and they made one mistake."

Bullshinola. They were caught breaking the law and had charges filed against them. Their names were printed in the paper just like others that get caught doing illegal things. Why should they be excluded?

Oh and they didn't just happen to make one mistake and get caught....I'm willing to bet most, if not all, have drank before. They just happened to get caught this time. "One mistake"....WTFever. "

TheRickster wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:53 AM:

" One more thing; the names being listed was much overkill.They have been arrested or ticketed.I just hate to see young people labeled when they were at a home, not driving around.If you can't say you ever did this then you are a sour old bitter person trying to pay back all the people that you felt did you wrong as a teen.
Youth are going to drink,a responcible party should not be harrassed.After all, these kids can be killed in Iraq next week but they can't have a private party?
Did the police ask what the drinking was for? Was there a sleep over? There has got to be some outlet. "

ODF wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:47 AM:

" MR.A-Z wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:21 AM:
Why punish the ones that are doing it responsibly.

Are you serious? Why punish them? Uh, because of this little thing called THE LAW! Should we not punish those that speed "responsibly"? Should we not punish those that, say, murder a child molester because they thought it was a "responsible" thing to do? Being responsible means obeying the law...either do it or suffer the consequences. That's why they should be punished. They were not drinking "responsibly" if they were not old enough to legally drink. "

TheRickster wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:45 AM:

" Hey, quit calling my an old fart! At 50 I still remember all the keggers we had.Even the sheriff would come by and tell us to keep the old road open, or if he finds one cup he will come and bust it up.
My wonders are, there were not many tradgedies then.I have no idea why.Yes we camped and stayed out all night.This was mainly after most of us had jobs and on our own.Your generation are paying for the misfortune of all the MADD and other people that have dealt with alcohol and want it stopped period.
I will say at 50 I very seldom drink anymore;;No more keggers to go to. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 6:58 AM:

" Has no one questioned who called this in???? I actually find that funny. You know, I put up with parties from neighborhood kids. Because those kids only pass that way once in their life. I can just envision some old -art of a person phoning this in to the police. My, my, must be someone that thinks they have an awful lot of pull, don't you think? "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 6:53 AM:

" Stop and listen to them more, you could learn a lot. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 13, 2008 6:51 AM:

" Some of you need to stop and listen to this generation. These kids are bright, self assured, resourceful and sure not stupid enough to drive drunk. I know, I raised one. Even after he was legal age and decided to have one at Bones (which wasn't often), he would call and have his father or I pick him up. You aren't giving these kids enough credit or the parents. I imagine most of these kids are going to college soon, which is an accomplishment in itself (does this sound like a graduation speech)? I have to laugh cause these are the kids that will be taking some of your jobs in the future. These kids ARE our future. "

MR.A-Z wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:24 AM:

" bad "

MR.A-Z wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:21 AM:

" Actually I personally know almost everyone on that list. It includes some bad ones, but most are great individuals. I know for a fact that 5 of the individuals were either staying there or had a sober chauffeur there that blew a 0.0 and was released. Also I am sure most others were also planning the same. Why punish the ones that are doing it responsibly. People my age are going to do it. It was like this in the past and will be in the future. Times have changed slightly though, most people my age who drink do it responsibly. You are dumb to think that if 70% of people my age are doing it that that makes 70% of the parents or kids "

Wspahn wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:11 AM:

" Way back when I was 19 at a party for a friend who was going into the service. his father threw a keg party. Lived on my own and had a full time job. We had to leave our keys at the door and get a way home or stay all night. I didn't think I was a criminal but it was illegal. Common sense was used. Many kids I knew then cruised around and drank(no common sense). The JCPD was just doing their job. The NT did nothing wrong as long as they print names in the future REGARDLESS of who it is or what business it is. There is the problem. "

listentome wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:59 AM:

" Yes, those kids were doing something they shouldn't have been. Yes, they got punished accordingly.

However, this is a matter between the kids their families and the law. The paper has no right or need to print these kids names. I'm sure the law and their parents are punishing them accordingly. "

thetruth wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:01 AM:

" For those of you implying that these are bad kids and would be drunk drivers, how do you know that these kids didnt have designated drivers, were spending the night, or walking to a nearby home for the night? Exactly you dont! Quit jumping to conclusions about kids you dont even know, under circunstances you dont even know. Is public humiliation necissary? I seriously doubt it. Alot of kids drink underage. They could be the most responsible underage drinkers in the world if that even exists. "

braddigan wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:52 AM:

" I would bet that 80% of DWI arrests are old guys leaving bars at 2am after smashing 20 old milwalkees. Not high school kids driving around. Why would you even leave the party? we don't.

and don't blame the parents. no matter what the upbringing, as soon as that kid gets the keys at 16 they ultimately have the choice about who to hang out with and what to do with their life. EVERY kid wants to rebel a little bit. Is that so bad? Getting drunk at one party. OH NO! Now they are failures that will amount to nothing because they had a few beers A WEEK BEFORE GOING TO COLLEGE! Adults these days don't remember what it's like. "

justanotherteenager wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:48 AM:

" and yes I do know most of the people on that list. None of them are bad kids. In fact most of them were in the top of our class and some of the most respectful and looked up to people that I know. "

justanotherteenager wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:46 AM:

" Ok, seriously, just because these teenagers were drinking does not make them horrible or even bad kids. If parents would just open their eyes they would realize that probably 70% of teenagers drink. I am proud to say that I am a member of that 30% that doesn't. But honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some of you who have teenage children, that are posting that these are bad kids that are going to end up in prison, are just blind and don't see that most likely your teenager drinks too. Maybe some of you should open your eyes and deal with your own problems first. Let the parents of these teenagers/young adults deal with their kids. You have no right to call them bad. "

braddigan wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:39 AM:

" studentcouncilpresident "These are just BAD kids"

when i was in high school (which was just a couple years ago), we figured about 60% of our graduating class had drank alcohol in high school. i guess that means 60% of my graduating class were just BAD KIDS. Quite the contrary. We also had a 96% college placement rate. DRINKING UNDERAGE DOESN'T MAKE YOU A BAD PERSON.

We who drink these days are smarter than you old people were at our age.We don't drive around. Most of the time we just stay at the party, which was probably the case here. "

mizzou wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:35 AM:

" ...It also makes a person sound very ignorant to so quickly judge and stereotype another individual.

Reading some of the previous comments makes me laugh. Some of the adults writing on this forum sound so arrogant. It just makes me question which age group actually needs to "grow up" here?

...Whatever happened to the saying, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all?" "

mizzou wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:25 AM:

" First of all I would like to say how disgusting it is for adults gossiping to this extent about people half or possibly a third their age. Call me a hypocrite if you would like, but I feel I need to stand up for my peers and friends. These young adults are not bad people; in fact, many are the very opposite and are exceptionally great people! I do believe it was just for those 18 individuals to receive MIP's. But I find it very distasteful to turn them into a public mockery. I hear of parties getting "busted" and certain individuals getting an MIP's, but never are their names published! This is some punishment! Cruel and unusual, possibly? "

rojo wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:24 AM:

" If the NT is serious about this issue, they will continue to post ALL the MIP's issued in Cole County for say ...an entire year. If the publishers want MY respect, they will also publish the outcome of ALL such arrests. The cops have done their part.

Citizens have a right to know "the rest of the story".

We don't elect officers, we do elect prosecutors and judges. Personally, I'm MUCH more interested in the outcome than the beginning. Arrests are a good start.

NT - show us what the system does with all of them or don't print any suspects' names. They're not guilty of anything until the fat lady sings. "

Ja50np wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:00 AM:

" Getting awfully flirtsy with people on here aren't you CWT? I understand that you want to know my real name, but how about you just stick to calling me Daddy for now. Have yourself another one and then dream about all of these kids that you might be able to represent some day in court. lol!

THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO DO WRONG! "

JCJen96 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:39 PM:

" Kudos to JCPD for busting the party and issuing consequences. Kudos to News Tribune for publishing the names. "

cwt wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:36 PM:

" Dear newtv,
Turn off Fox News Channel, and wake up!!! A mistake would be invading Iraq in last few years only to kill off these kids peers while not letting them have a drink when they return home from the war you conservatives started....I hope you can sleep at night knowing that these "kids" can take a bullet for you a half a world away but then cant come home and have a bud light in a basement....GO USA!!!! "

cwt wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:32 PM:

" Dear person who never had a fun day in their life (aka studentcouncilpresident),

Are you really comparing an MIP to Hitler, I have a BA and am currently seeking a J.D. in law school(and i frequent many local bars). BTW hitler was responsible for 6 MILLION MURDERS..!!!!! These people were drinking beer in a basement.....NOT Driving!!!! WAKE UP!!!!! And btw Hitler was the outstanding never drank a drop in his life student....Oh and FDR and Winston Chirchill .....praised for their leadership....Both also criticized for their drinking.....Pick up a history book....go out into the real world....and SHUT UP.... "

tmoney wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:09 PM:

" you guys have got to be kidding chill out this is not your business go back to your soap operas and shut up. Everyone knows these charges are ridicoulous there is nothing going to stop kids from drinking there is nothing to do in jeff city and with people like you all acting like you are better than everyone else who wouldnt want to drink "

newtv wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:18 PM:

" "Cwt.
Said the most successful people did this in highschool"

I can't believe anyone would think this way. Are you crazy?? Maybe you are the owner of the residence where this was all going on. Put your pot down and reason alittle. Breaking the law when you are a teenager doesn't pave the way to success. Don't even try to say this is okay. It is a serious mistake. To their benefit No one was driving and hopefully lessons are learned all this is put behind them. But it isn't right for underage drinking period. "

newtv wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:04 PM:

" I always thought alot of the recipients for the council for drug free youth were the school's most popular. I'm not saying they aren't drug free, I just always thought why is it always the same group getting this. Award some quiet serious student once in awhile, who doesn't hang out with the party crowd. "

studentcouncilpresident wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:28 PM:

" dear cwt,

i honestly dont think martin luther king jr ever went and got drunk at a party....
as for my golden children, they may be working for these people...but at least they arent these people....just because somebody is more powerful doesnt mean they are the better person...we've all heard about hitler.....this was a very good reporter who understood their rights to publish the names of these kids. I do believe their names were published because this particular reporter was probably tired of putting their names in the paper multiple times for sports and student council related activities. that is the reason the other kids party didnt get published. "

just my opinion wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:49 PM:

" I applaud the JCPD for the actions taken in this case. I support them 100%. The address/owner of the home should have no impact upon their decision to do their job. They may have saved lives of the young adults who were there and also innocent drivers who were on the road that night. Having had a similar situation with my own son, I appreciated the wake up call it gave me and the subsequent consequences my son had to pay for his actions. Yes, his name was in the paper, and we were embarrased by his actions. I would venture to say we both learned a lot from his mistake. Hope these "kids" will too. "

cwt wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:47 PM:

" dear studentcouncilpresident,

You may not let your kids hang out with these "bad kids" but one day your "golden child" will be making about 30 a year working at one of their companies...get off of your high horse...and realize that the most sucessfull people in this world did the exact same thing in high school....you work for them and one day your kid will too "

studentcouncilpresident wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:31 PM:

" I legitimately think this is funny. finally some truth is brought to all the jc mommies and daddies and teachers. these kids may have been the jocks and the cheerleaders and the student council presidents....that doesnt mean they didnt drink in highschool. These are just BAD kids. i will never let my kid hang around these kids or their families. their parents are clearly doing something wrong. "

castigliano wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:21 PM:

" Hey I've got an idea...

Let's put all of these bad apples' names in the paper to give them a bad reputation. Then maybe they will have trouble getting jobs or educational grants.

What a bunch of trouble makers. "

leeannet wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:14 PM:

" I agree boscoe what can kids in JC do? Nothing! cant sit and chat with friends on a parking lot wooooooooo thats a crime cops run them off JCPD go find some real stuff that matters leave the kids alone we have robbers rapers and DRUG dealers everywhere and U know who they are and they still havent been busted years and years of dealing drugs go mess with them why not ya scared of them? so mess with the lil teens get a life "

castigliano wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:10 PM:

" And where were these children's parents at 1:30 a.m.?

What do you mean? What difference does it make?

All of the children but two were 18 years or older.

They should have been in Iraq fighting our war instead of being at home acting like children. "

leeannet wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:09 PM:

" can someone explain to me ok 21 you can purchase and consume alcohol I really dont understand what makes a 21 yr old any more responsible while drinking then a 18 or 19 yr old I know 21 is legal but truthfully some 21 yr olds act way more immature then 18 and 19 yr olds and if NONE were on the hwys chances are no one was getting hurt as stated earlier NO ONE will stop kids from drinking they will just be more aware of when and where to do it this is all silly and a waste of TIME go find the drug dealers and child molesters JCPD get on it "

cards06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:06 PM:

" nobody deserves public humiliation. if you think the kids do, do the parents? the friends? the friends of parents?
As for them being leaders and role models, yes they were and they made one mistake. are people going to forget all the great things they've done in the past off this one mistake? i know a man who got an mip as a teen and is a successful doctor today.
A few of these kids were drug and alcohol free all through highschool, they've not been living a lie through highschool. There is no reason to think from this they're not rolemodels any more.
the names in the paper is just too far. who else has gotten an mip and then plastered in thepaper? "

lovesdogs69 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 6:51 PM:

" For those of you who are complaining about the names being printed should stop. These kids deserve public humiliation. If you're underage and decide to go to parties with alcohol, then you should know what kind of consequences you can get yourself into. Further more a lot of these kids are considered "role models" at our school. Some were even on a billboard for Alcohol and Drug Free Youth. Obviously that isn't true. Athletes and Student Council leaders should know better. Lesson should be learned... but knowing some of them... it won't! "

Noname wrote on Aug 12, 2008 5:36 PM:

" I just read this and wasn't at all surprised at the comments of ADULTS (30-70). I am an adult but I guess im the 18-20 adult. I find it pretty funny that adults in this community have nothing better to do than bicker and fight with each other. Over what? This is some community. Adults spend time finding ways to put each other down and ways to tarnish each others family. Who would want to live somewhere like this. I for one want nothing to do with this community and can't wait to get out. Don't get me wrong their are some wonderful people in this community, but the majority should be ashamed. Maybe the adults should learn from the kids. Atleast we get along. "

cwt wrote on Aug 12, 2008 5:00 PM:

" Oh and by the way I think people like ja50np should have to post their real names on here instead of sitting alone in their basement talking trash about 18 year olds....pathetic "

shinymcshine wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:55 PM:

" and if a kid was there and had the good sense not to be drinking, they shouldn't be charged. Just because you're at a party doesn't mean you should be in trouble. The party is fine. Just don't break the law then whine when it catches up with you.
Apparently, it was enough of a problem, SOMEBODY called the police. They didn't just happen by. They got a complaint and investigated it. Once there, they saw law violations. What would you suggest? Just avoid eye contact and slink away?
What if they stopped a DWI wreck by making the arrests they did. You don't know that they didn't. "

shinymcshine wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:52 PM:

" Are you kidding, Boscoe?!
What do you think they were going to do? Stay there all night? They were allowed to get their buzz on and then they were going to drive away. Don't tell me the "responsible homeowner" was going to check them for intoxication, which btw, they have no idea how to do that. Being falling down drunk is a far cry from being legally impaired.
I'm sick of hearing the "they drink cuz there's nuthin' to do", krap! Might I suggest smoking some crack? After all, there's nothing else to do!
C'mon. This area thrives on booze. They're just living the life they've been exposed to. Doesn't make it right. "

cwt wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:50 PM:

" Tax dollars at work!!! I sure hope that all of the drug deals, thefts, and drunk drivers that night had a wonderfull time because it looks like the focus of the Jeff City PD is on a few high school graduates drinking in a basement. Serve and protect!!!!!You bet!!! I think there are more important things to worry about in the area. Meth, Coke, Drunk Drivers, Theft, Vandalism, Rape, Murder. Just to name a few. Oh and where is the story about the kid who threw the party and his parents (one with a dwi on their record) who were not cited for anything after the party. Someone should write a story about that. "

boscoe wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:37 PM:

" These poor kids need something to do in Jefferson City. What else would you have them to do in this sleepy little town with little opportunity?

At least they were at someone's house. What if they were out cruising the Blvd like we used to do? We used to drink and cruise the Blvd all the time, putting our alcohol into 2-liter soda bottles and/or using the magnetic can wraps that instantly convert a can of Busch to Dr. Pepper.

Sure, it wasn't right, but it could have been worse.

If you want to reduce the drinking, you got to give them something to do and a place to socialize. "

gofish wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:33 PM:

" I think the last time this whole subject came up there was some research quoted that about 30% of high schoolers drink alcohol. If you multiply that by the 3000 or so in HS at JC, that's about 900 partygoers. Wooo-wee 18 were inadvertantly caught because of a noise complaint. These "lucky" 18 and their parents will get their 15 minutes of (en)fame and then it will be forgotten, except by their peers who will continue to tease them. All of these 18 will be laughing in 20 years or so at their reunion. Priceless memories! "

sweetea wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:09 PM:

" I am glad they publish their names. Because if I had seen my child name on it they would have had hell to pay. It is true that these young people are considered underage adults. They are still not old enough to drink. Therefore their activity was illegal. I wonder how many people will defend these kids if they decided to get behind the wheel of a car while under the influence and crash into one of their family members. How much sympathy would you all have? It is easy to defend them because nothing happen. Let something happen then it would be a different story. "

mikemojc wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:05 PM:

" Access to public records of the Judicial Department is governed by Missouri Supreme Court Operating Rule 2. That's why these records can appear in the newspaper. If you don't want your name (or your kids!) in the paper, don't get charged by the PA's office.

I'm looking forward to charges being filed for the homeowner in this case. 18 counts of contributing to the delinquincy? I wonder if the school Coaches and Administrators who's kids appear on this list will work to set an example for the community, or work to 'make this go away' as quietly as possible?

This will be interesting to watch...

When does "Abuse & Lose" kick in for those under 21 in possesion? "

ODF wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:46 PM:

" Look at Afghanistan...how many millions/billions have we funneled into that country purportedly to eradicate the poppy fields yet they currently have record level of cultivation/harvest.

I'm not for legalization of everything, but the war we have waged has been a dismal failure and waste of $. DARE is a prime example...in many instances it teaches that ALL drugs are bad, even legal ones. It's a scare program with little or no common sense included with the message. "

ODF wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:43 PM:

" newtv wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:25 PM:
" Why are some of you defending these kids actions. With all our tax dollars going to DARE and the drug free youth we should all care if it isn't making a difference."

I've posted this before, but in light of your comments will do so again. There was a report put out recently that even though the U.S. has some of the most stringent laws pertaining to drugs/alcohol we have the highest incident of use/abuse. Dare is a joke....the war on drugs is a joke and our tax dollars are wasted. "

hatesjc wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:41 PM:

" well what i think is funny about this all some of these kids think that they are goody goody and the parents think that their kids cant do wrong.. i know these kids and one boy won homecoming king, and one of the girls was on student council. if only the parents knew this probably isnt the first time these kids have done this they just got caught this time. "

gofish wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:35 PM:

" two_cents_worth wrote "Also, I think it sends a message to the rest of the young people here as well as everyone else that we, as a community, do not condone such activity."

Yeah right. The message is, don't get caught. If your theory were correct drunk driving would stop as well. Oh but wait, we don't punish drunk drivers in Cole County until they kill someone.

People are always tough on crime until it's THEIR kid.

Darn neighbors, should have minded their own business. I wonder if they will now be "visited" on Halloween. "

two_cents_worth wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:29 PM:

" I, for one, don't have a problem with publishing the names of the young adults ticketed. They were caught engaging in an illegal activity and there are consequences with that. Also, I think it sends a message to the rest of the young people here as well as everyone else that we, as a community, do not condone such activity. What kind of example would we be setting if we just swept it under the rug. I think the punishment is appropriate and publishing the names is a proper response. "

newtv wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:27 PM:

" Now I am not saying that all these kids were drinking. I understand some might have just been there not drinking. I hope that does get cleared up. I am just upset with the ones who were, and that drinking was going on period I want to know how parents were present and their names weren't posted ? "

gofish wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:26 PM:

" concernedparent wrote"I do have a little issue with the "f" bombs and cursing done by JCPD. Scare them sure but it doesn't do any good to curse them out."

It's not the JCPD's job to scare or cuss anyone out. Allegations of police misconduct (especially with 18 witnesses) should be reported to the Chief of Police. "

newtv wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:25 PM:

" Why are some of you defending these kids actions. With all our tax dollars going to DARE and the drug free youth we should all care if it isn't making a difference. If one of my kids were in this group I would be beside my self. I wouldn't say " Oh it happens" No it doesn't not for all families. My kids know there would be heck to pay. "

joytotheworld wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:55 PM:

" Lol...wow, what a deal you guys are. Too funny. "

ODF wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:44 PM:

" casionman - I agree that it's not really relevant to this story....but I agree with you on your thoughts. However, you left out one major thing....18-20 year olds can fight and die for this country, for you and I and our right to banter on this board. Anyone that can die for their country and it's citizens should darn sure be able to enjoy a beer as long as they do it responsibly! "

ODF wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:41 PM:

" I know parents that refuse to let their children see them consume alcohol. That is certainly their choice to make in life. Personally, I don't have a problem enjoying a beer in front of my son while we're sitting at the lake or whatever. You are either responsible and teach your children responsibility or you're not. "

ODF wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:39 PM:

" They say our children are our punishment for what we put our parents through. If that's true, I'm in for a world of torment!!! LOL!!

jcmom - I agree, but I guess I'm lucky in that for the most part I don't give a flying "leap" about what folks think about me, etc.. The people I care about and care about me, know me...that's all that's important, stranger's/neighbor's perception of me is not.

I second the comment about the problem being that drinking in many circles IS the hobby. They drink, get drunk, fall down...party over. "

casionman wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:37 PM:

" " Casino--When I was 18, I thought I knew it all. HA. HA. The legal term 'adult' does NOT represent the maturity of ANY individual. 18 year olds cannot drink legally, whether or not you think they should be able to is not even relevant....they CAN'T."

Of course it is relevant becuase it is another useless law.
At 18 you can get a job, rent an apartment, and sign a loan. But you better not drink a beer.

I can always use the old back up. How many "kids" have killed their first human in Iraq at 18 but can not drink. How does that fit into the maturity level argument? "

jcstudentmom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:28 PM:

" ODF--Back to the over the top comments......I realize how they could be taken that way--I do get pretty uptight when I feel that the busy bodies are out in full force......

I'm a big believer in compassion, equality, and innocent til proven guilty---besides, I have a kid that age (yes, I said kid), and it's heartwrenching to think of all the emotions and issues these families must feel---then to have the community criticize (seemingly) them, their parenting, their kids and their kids' friends seemed over the top to me....that's why I spoke.

I've NEVER posted here before but read the mayhem (haha) all the time and am amazed at the liberties that some posters take with other's situations and feelings......thanks for the patience. "

jcstudentmom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Casino--When I was 18, I thought I knew it all. HA. HA. The legal term 'adult' does NOT represent the maturity of ANY individual. 18 year olds cannot drink legally, whether or not you think they should be able to is not even relevant....they CAN'T.

ODF--field parties.....tee hee....I wonder if we are of the same 'era'.....unfortunately we drove...I never did, but I certainly RODE with people that had no business driving. It scares me to DEATH now.......who KNEW that I'd be this concerned as a parent, when I was a ne'er do well teenager?

Concerned--It could have been mine--I feel for you--it's a difficult situation to be faced with...... "

countercouple wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:19 PM:

" I agree with Dutchman, these "kids" are eighteen,..not eight. Yes they did something stupid and had a few drinks but they werent driving. I say give them what the law allows and have NT appologize that they printed theyre names which isnt illegal but in bad taste. "

casionman wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:18 PM:

" I also bet everyone of our grandparents could legally drink before 21. How many are alcoholics because they had a beer at 18 instead of 21? "

ODF wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:17 PM:

" ...mine and the court's.

concernedparent - Why should the names be listed? They usually (not always) list the names of people arrested for other crimes if it makes it to "story" level.

newtv - Thank you...that was my point exactly. It's bad enough that "adults" who are supposed to have better judgment choose to drink and drive. Kids/minors and young adults have enough traffic fatalaties w/o adding alcohol the mix. It was just a couple of hours ago I was passed by an 18-20 something girl running about 75mph on highway 50 while focusing on text messaging. "

casionman wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:15 PM:

" I agree with adutchman. All of the people listed except for one are adults.
Let talk about how silly it is that an adult can not drink in the USA if they are not 21. "

ODF wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:14 PM:

" I said I was done, but after seeing jcmom's reply, wanted to post again.

jcmom - Thank you for your reply, it didn't come off as "over the top" as some of your other posts. My son will very soon be of the age I will have to worry about these things. However, when I was in school we had field parties where alcohol was involved. Nobody drove, everybody spent the night. So yeah, while I do/will preach to him the dangers of alcohol I'm not naive enought to think he won't drink. If he does, I hope he's "smart" (as smart as a minor can be) about it and he will also know if caught he will face the penalties... "

concernedparent wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Please don't misunderstand my intentions, I do NOT think it was right for the kids to be drinking and I think they should be punished. My anger is directed firstly to my child, secondly to the irresponsible parent for allowing the party to have alcohol (contributing to the delinquency of a minor), and the NT for printing out the names.This isn't done other MIP tickets so why now. Report the story as 18 tickets issued, not who they were issued to.The story should be a "good job" piece for cracking down on teen drinking.I do have a little issue with the "f" bombs and cursing done by JCPD. Scare them sure but it doesn't do any good to curse them out. That's my job. "

newtv wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:45 PM:

" I don't feel the least bit sorry for these kids. They all knew better. It does concern me. What if I or soemone in my family passed one of these little drunks. I am glad JCPD cracked down on this party and didn't let them off the hook because they are such great students. "

gofish wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:40 PM:

" As I've stated and been criticized before: I'd rather the Minor's be partying at someones house than out on the road IF and only IF the keys are confiscated and no one leaves and other common sense supervision occurs so that no one gets pregnant or dies of alcohol poisoning. How the alcohol is obtained??? Trust me there is an unlimited supply of people that will buy, so don't waste your time on that topic...it won't be solved. And lastly, for those of you so quick to judge the teens and humiliate their family's (ah hem, NT, shame) just be glad they weren't smoking pot as that is very prevalent as well. Give them SIS/unsupv probation and move on! "

adutchman wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:25 PM:

" I wish everyone would quit calling these individuals "kids". For cryin' out loud, once they turn 18, the are ADULTS! Not MINORS! YES they broke the YOU CAN'T DRINK UNDER 21 LAW, but they are not MINORS, except for the individuals 17 & under.

So, they broke the law and now they need to account for their actions plain and simple.

Does that make the law just and good? Aparently the lawmakers think so, otherwise, this law would not be on the books. "

boscoe wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:14 PM:

" I wonder if any of the arresting officers were the same officers who received DWIs themselves a few years back. Now that would be ironic, wouldn't it? "

jcstudentmom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Concernedparent---sorry your child was involved. That is stuff my worries are made of....I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't happen with mine, but you are right....we can't all be everywhere all the time. No judgement from me---the kids whose names I recognize are good kids---nice families, etc. I'd never think of judging the parent of the ones cited....we can only teach...they may not follow.

I still, however, don't think the name of the parent should be made public until the law enforcement feels the need to make a public record that an offense occured. "

Mac1974 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:06 PM:

" ~~~~I have never been to prison, although I didn't like my college roommate.~~~~

hilarious!

Was his name Bubba? "

live77 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:02 PM:

" I, like sometimesiwonder, cannot figure out how a few kids drinking is the end of the world. I drank underage, still drink, and will probably continue to drink. I have never been to prison, although I didn't like my college roommate. My question wasn't whether the kids were wrong, they were. Accept the responsibilty for their actions. My issue with the thing was putting their names in the papers for all to see. I got a speeding ticket a couple of days ago, should my name be on the front page. Or maybe I should be made an example out of. Flogging on the grounds of the capital. Take my japanese sports car away. Make me listen to the propaganda that is in here "

Jcgal06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:00 PM:

" sumtimesiwundr- thank you!!! I agree with everything you just said! "

concernedparent wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:58 PM:

" I happen to know the facts because unfortunately my child was ticketed. The "homeowner" was there and knew the kids were drinking. I do keep tabs on my child but I can't be everywhere all of the time and I do wait up and check up on them. There are a few of the kids that are embarrassed but majority are not. Why punish the kids but not the 40 or over homeowner? Sounds a little on the unfair side. The kids should be punished at home and in the community, but will it keep them from doing it again, I have my doubts since most are going off to college in a week or so. Hold everyone there accountable not just a few. "

sumtimesiwundr wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Let them make mistakes so they can...oh whats that thing ppl do, oh yea-LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES! No one is perfect so give the "kids" a break. So what if the names are in the paper, so what if ppl who know them see the names, so what if they get embaressed.Let them be and let their parents do what they need to do in order to disipline them as the PARENTS see fit. They aren't YOUR kids so mind your own business and let the parents continue doing what they've been doing...the best they can.As for the "owner"...who says it's a parent, could've been a legal drinking age adult (21yo) supplying the place for a party and booze.Don't be so quick to judge. "

sumtimesiwundr wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:22 PM:

" I actually have to laugh after reading most of the comments! The majority of you ppl are so narrow minded and quick to ASSume so much about the minors caught. You suggest they will be in prison,babies having babies,dropouts,etc. I remember when it was worse to deal with your folks than local John Q lawmen when this stuff hapnd. Ever think we don't make our kids have enuff respect for parents? Oh wait youd be the same one whod call the law if a parent tried to disipline a child in public by whippin them for being disrespectful. Bring back the paddle!! Im not talkin bout beatings but for cryin out loud, QUIT MAKIN THEM SISSIES! Let them fall down every once in a while. "

countercouple wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:54 AM:

" oops the party had a complaint call,..my bad "

countercouple wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:51 AM:

" I suppose I'm the only libertarian here so I have to ask how did the JCPD find this party? I'm not blaming the police, they did what we pay them for but this does kind of cross the personal liberty line in my opinion. None of these kids were in vehichles, they werent in public as far as I know.

Its kind of a puritanical idea to belive that alcohol is to blame when in fact over consumption and abuse of alcohol is the actual problem. "

jcstudentmom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:33 AM:

" ODF, I'm sorry you feel I'm bitter. Actually, quite the opposite. I'm trying to be empathetic--but apparently to the 'wrong' point of view. I have a child this age and worry myself SICK over their wellbeing.

And truthfully, I have thought about the pot and kettle.........I must apologize for that. It just frustrates me that everyone is so quick to point fingers and demand information that may not be relevant.

Truthseeker, I'm aware of the names posted in the article. I'm referring to the individual who posted in the FORUM the name of the parent of the boy who apparently had a party......NT did NOT post that. "

Jcgal06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:22 AM:

" yes, there are a lot of people that have alcohol problems, i'm just trying to say that not everyone will end up like that. there are also a lot of very well respected people that have social gatherings that involve alcohol. up until this year, the annual police gatherings were even parties with alcohol- how do you think they got home? i know it is not a good thing but with everything else going on around here, i don't think this should be so blown out of proportion. they messed up in the eyes of the law but at least it was just alcohol and not more serious drugs. where are the cops when those kind of parties are going on? "

truthseeker wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:20 AM:

" jcstudentmom, if your comments about gossiping are intended for me,that is NOT my purpose. I do have very strong feelings about this subject andI am trying to discuss what I feel is a huge problem in JC. I am not doing this in a gossiping way and I am sorry if you feel that I am. While that may be someone elses intent it is not mine.
You are correct and as I have stated many times on these forums the problem with underage drinking in our area begins with the adults(noticed I didnt mention specific parents I said adults). The NT decided to release the names of the kids not those posting. Maybe they shouldnt have? But I stand 100% behind LE efforts totrytoenforcethelaws. "

ODF wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:14 AM:

" jcstudentmom - It's obvious you are quite bitter and defensive about something.

Do you see me up in "everyone's business"? I am and do get involved in things that affect my safety and the safety of my family. Spewing non-factual opinions about people on this board....huh...isn't that exactly what you are accusing everyone else of doing? Pot meet kettle.... LOL

I'm done with this, but I'm sure you'll carry on bickering about how other people are gossiping, while you do the same.... "

Gfan wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:13 AM:

" There are some great kids on that list. Maybe some good can come out of this. "

Gfan wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:11 AM:

" I've read on here over and over that this isn't a big deal and won't lead to anything later in life. Pick up the paper sometime and see how many AA groups meet in J.C. alone. No, not everyone will be like that, but who knows that now. "

Jcgal06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:03 AM:

" i'm not saying that people that can serve can kill people and rape people. That is obviously illegal for ANYONE and just plian wrong to anyone. and i will keep my comments on the military to myself (i'm very pro-military) because that is not what this forum is about. i just think that there are a lot of 18 year olds out there with a lot more responsibility than we think. "

flowkradd wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:58 AM:

" because it is the law?
We can't go and apply the law intermittently, that defeats the purpose of law.

yeah drinking doesn't make you a horrible person, but it does show a disrespect for your country's ideals of law and order.

And frankly I dont see how military service and drinking are related. Should people who serve be able to do anything then? Should they be able to drive faster, shoot people, steal, rape? Besides I don't want people defending the u.s. (something we aren't doing currently..) too fond of the bottle. "

jcstudentmom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:57 AM:

" ODF, then you'd better get out there and get into EVERYONE'S business, because there's alot of illegal activity occuring that may impact you, me or our families.

Unfortunately, we cannot control what happens around us. Accusing someone publicly that may be innocent is wrong. To attempt to humiliate someone publicly that may not deserve it is GOSSIP.

I realize my view isn't popular, but some of the people posting in these forums have no business pointing fingers.....if people feel so strongly, then DO SOMETHING to affect change, and don't grouse about it in a petty, gossipy way.

Teach YOUR children what is right, and stop worrying about how others raise their kids. That's all we can do. "

Jcgal06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:56 AM:

" flowkradd- so you are telling me that you never did anyting wrong when you were younger or your children have never done anything to disapoint you- just because you respect each other? yeah right! I love a respect my parents very much and vice versa but that doesn't mean I'm a perfect child. It is the difference in kids, I guess, my little brother is 20 and has never had a drink in his life that doesn't mean my parents raised him any different than they did me. "

Jcgal06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:52 AM:

" I actually did take a lot of AP classe and started college with 22 credits. I graduated with a 3.96. Sorry it wasn't a perfect 4.0 but I know at least one of the people on the list did graduate with OVER a 4.0. I'm not saying that that excuses her or me from what we did wrong I'm just saying that drinking at a party before you are 21 doesn't ruin your life. you can still be a productive person. At 18 most kids are out of highschool and around here a lot of them even have kids and can serve overseas so why not have a beer. "

ODF wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:49 AM:

" jcstudentmom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:18 AM:
" Why do so many of you even CARE what is happening? These kids aren't YOURS, this family isn't RELATED to you."

I've stayed out of it, until now.... It IS our business because these kids that aren't mine are breaking the law, are drinking and driving and may very well end up causing a wreck that kills an innocent person, maybe even one of us our one of our family members. "

flowkradd wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:48 AM:

" part of growing up is straying? Young people aren't dogs or cats, we have minds, we don't go about cavorting without some reason behind our actions. If you keep tabs on your kids and actually express love through caring for their well being and their future they won't stray because they will respect you and you them. "

flowkradd wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:46 AM:

" People are commenting about how these are good kids who did one bad thing and the mip should be enough to punish them, and how you can drink and be an honor roll student.

If you have to hide your mip from the world it is not something good. If you can't stand behind your actions in public and be proud of yourself then those actions shouldn't have been committed!
jcgal06 the super student, lol, what does it take to be an honor roll student? A 3.0 or a 3.5? wow thats not even a 4.0. Now if you were a salutatorian maybe that would be a better argument, or if you took a bunch of advanced placement tests and got 5's. "

Jcgal06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:45 AM:

" keep tabs on them all the time, especially at their age. It does not always start with the parents. No matter how well you raise your children, the can always stray a little. It's part of growing up. "

jcstudentmom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:44 AM:

" Then become a law enforcement agent and DO something about the problems that exist rather than gossip about things you cannot control in a public forum.

There are huge problems with drunk driving. It is not only teens, but adults as well.

If citizens want to be proactive, more power to them, but STOP the fodder about who is who in town, and who's making the 'right' and 'wrong' decisions. You weren't THERE...you do not KNOW the circumstances involved any more than I do....so as far as I am concerned, you have no more business knowing who the family is than the man on the moon, UNTIL there is public record for you to view. "

Jcgal06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:44 AM:

" A lot of you are putting a lot of blame on the parents of these people but that is not always the case. I know for a fact that not all these parents set an example of drinking or encourage it in anyway. My parents were very against underage drinking and I guess I felt rebelious when I went out and drank with my friends. It is not always the parents that provide the alcohol or even know their children are drinking. Think about it, if you played basketball as a freshman with some seniors and got to know them and now you are 18 or 19, those seniors are now 21 and can buy you alcohol and even party with you. Their parents can't "

truthseeker wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:40 AM:

" I will agree that some of it is done for pure gossip but there are those who really do care about these kids and this situation even if their kids werent involved.
Another big problem is that there are adults who allow kids to do things(in this case drinking) at their home knowing they would not be allowed to do it at their own. What right do others have to make this decision for kids that arent theirs? I can have an alcohol free home. It may not matter because in the end this age kids peers and those "cool" parents who allow may have more influence. That is a few of the reasons why this matters to me. And none of them haveanythingtodowithmydesiretogossip. "

truthseeker wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:32 AM:

" Why do I care about this? Geez, let me count the ways. This is a HUGE problem in this area that no one wants to do anything about. Then when a couple of kids get killed by a drunk driver people just cant understand how it happened. Well maybe if drinking as a hobby was put to a stop when it first starts happening you wouldnt have people driving drunk and killing other people. It does concerns everyone in the community not just the ones who were at this particular party. The community does have a right to know WHO the enablers of these kids were. The adults need to be held accountable for teaching these kids to disregard the laws. "

jcstudentmom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:18 AM:

" Why do so many of you even CARE what is happening? These kids aren't YOURS, this family isn't RELATED to you. This forum section is fed by GOSSIP, and hatred. Everyone thinks THEY are so much better than their neighbor--everyone is so quick to POINT FINGERS. Think about it....next time there is a 'juicy' news story, it may be about YOUR loved one, or YOU....then how will the gossip feel?

It isn't ANY of your business who the homeowner is...if there are criminal charges levied, then you can check the public records if you desperately NEED to know that information.

Whomever posted the name of the family involved, shame on you. It just adds to the gossip factory. "

truthseeker wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:47 AM:

" The biggest problem I see is that NONE of these people should have had these beverages. NONE of them are 21 and old enough to BUY it. SO, where are the charges for the person(or persons) who obtained it for them? Or the store that sold it to minors if they indeed obtained it alone. Where are the charges for the homeowners who allowed this to take place on their property knowing they were not 21? It doesnt matter if anyone disagrees with this law(no drinking under 21). IT is the law and until the law is changed it should be adhered to. Until the adults start acting like drinking is NOT the only thing to do in this area the kids will continue todothis. "

online_editor wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Just FYI, to clarify definitions. In Missouri, 17 year-olds and above are charged in adult courts. Because they have not attained full legal status with respect to alcohol, those under 21 are still referred to as minors. "

reskeet wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:37 AM:

" These laws have gotten way out of hand.The police have no common sense whatsoever. You can go to iraq at that age but can not drink a beer give me a break. "

teachermom wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:33 AM:

" Okay, so here is the deal I personally know a few of these young people and yes they messed up and got caught. So have so many of us! Many of them are very good people with very promising futures. The unjust part of this is that not all the facts were presented in that the names of the offenders were listed but not the homeowners! "

gofish wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:32 AM:

" And now for some REAL news... "

hmarie775 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Everyone keeps calling them "kids" they are 18. Legal ADULTS. Not legal to drink because of our laws, but still, they are not children with the exception of the 17 year old. They are legal adults who's parents are no longer legally responsible for their actions. It would be public info on Case.net anyway. "

MJBMPGP99 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:50 AM:

" adutchman...YOU HAVE TO BE 21 TO DRINK! Think about it! As you noticed in the article, the JUVENILE was not listed; however, the ones who are not 21 are listed as minors. "

shinymcshine wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:33 AM:

" A little different perspective:
I say print the names. Its an embarassment to the family. You can bet there'll be discussions with many other families with their kid. Probably something along the lines of "I'd better not see OUR name in the paper, Junior!"
Parents that otherwise might have looked the other way may well get a little more involved if they think their family name is going to be printed for all to see.
I say make it standard policy to print the names and make an example our of those charged. It may well cause other kids to decide to not follow suit. "

Jcgal06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:22 AM:

" I don't get the big deal. I know a lot of this kids and they are honor roll students and star athletes and just because they want to have a party doesn't make them bad kids. I did it in high school and I'm not some raging alcoholic and when we had parties we usually all stayed at that house instead of driving home. Kids this age can be smart about drinking and an mip is not going to stop most of them from doing in again in the near future, they will just be more quite so the cops don't get called. There are many ways around it, believe me I have done them all. And, yes, I was a honor roll student! "

adutchman wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:09 AM:

" How can the 18 and 19 year old individuals be cited with "minor in possession of alcohol", when Missouri law clearly states that a person reaches the age of majority at the age of 18. In other words once you become 18 you are no longer a MINOR.

They should have been cited as "adults in poseession of alcohol", but that's not a crime is it?

Yeah they are adults but they can't drink like adults!! "

L D wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:44 AM:

" Rest assured all of these kids will be punished WAY worse than a posession of weed charge. 30 days w/o drivers license, 20 hrs. community service, 2 classes, fine, and 2 years court probation.... cmon, dont think thats a bit extreme? Kids are gonna drink, thats the bottom line, this punishment is only going to make them be a bit more careful about where they do it, not stop it in anyway. And the way it seems, these kids were probably going to stay at the house anyway, sounds pretty safe to me. If they really wanted something to do, sit outside the house and arrest them as they try to drive home, if they try. If not, leave em alone... "

mommyof2 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:41 AM:

" Print their names in the paper... maybe they'll think twice about the consequences of drinking... and possibly driving (which you ALL know they didn't walk to the party) and if it's worth not seeing another Welch story in the paper in the future, I'm all for it. "

david_heisel wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:30 AM:

" The kids will survive having their names printed in the paper. I bet they will think twice before repeating the same behavior. I understand that drinking at a party is not the end of the world, but if one of those kids got behind the wheel and ended up taking someone's life, then it would be a very big deal. Instead of letting them get to step 4, they are being called out at step 1 to prevent it from going any further. Trivializing teen drinking is dangerous. When you hear about a local teen dying in a crash with alcohol involved, ask yourself where did they get drunk? Chances are, at a party just like this. "

Jigger wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:19 AM:

" I agree this newspaper needs to be fair on posting names in it. These kids do not deserve to have their names posted for the community to see. If they are going to put these kids name in the paper then they need to be in constant contact with JCPD, the Sheriff's Dept and the Highway Patrol and post every ticket issued on a daily basis. Not just in small print somewhere but in Headline News. Most of these kids are following in their Parent's footsteps. When their parents drink so will their children. Mid-Missouri is a drinking community. Its unbelievable how much alcohol is sold daily in JC alone. Your not going to stop it. "

Jigger wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:12 AM:

" Some of you people crack me up! If this world believe's they can stop underage drinking they are only fooling themselves. They can pass as many laws as they want. Kids will find a way to drink and have parties. We drank as teenager's and teenager's will be drinking forever. I got a MIP ticket when I was 16 along with 8 of my friends. They made us do community service by sweeping the sidewalks in my town. We weren't embarrassed, our friends drove by honking and cheering us on. Its just a ticket. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 12, 2008 6:57 AM:

" Oh, yes I know I turned out to be a real drunk. I don't touch the stuff. Some of these kids are probably heading for college and if smart, will never come back here. What don't you have a story on the adults that party in this town. Some of your wonderful ex local elected officials. Those are the stories that would make for great reading. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 12, 2008 6:47 AM:

" Oh look, Russia and Georgia are at war. But hey, we have worse things, like kids having a party. And to whomever you are below, you might want to check again, I think some of these kids ARE on the honor roll. How soon we forget, huh? I am in my 50's and attended parties that made animal house look mild (Oh, not here, don't get upset). You know, the kind where mom is drunk in the bedroom, while kids draw mustaches on the family portraits and do a number in the punch bowl. I hope I never, ever forget my youth like some of you have. Give me a break, call the parents to pick them up. "

amt1123 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:13 AM:

" I am sure that this wasn't the first time these kids had a sip of alcohol. I don't understand what the purpose for posting their names. Underage drinking has been going on for years and years, and it doesn't matter if the parents tell them its bad or not. My parents always told me that they didn't want me to drink, but if I did not to drive or to call them for a ride. Kids will be kids no matter what their parents say. There is a new law now that if someone underage gets an MIP or a DWI, the parents have to attend classes with them. It almost punishes the parent too! Which in some cases isnt a bad idea! "

Ja50np wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:40 AM:

" Right, I bet this is the first time these good kids did something like this and they just happened to get caught on the first time. It would be very narrow minded to think that these kids actions only effect them. I'm sure their parents, grandparents, siblings, friends and others are not effected in any way what so ever, right? Wrong! When it comes to who you let your children hang with, it might be best to choose the honor roll list instead of the MIP list. That alone is a good reason for the list to be printed. "

braddigan wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:13 AM:

" Take the names off the website and out of the paper for God's sake. How is the community benefiting from this? From knowing which good kids made one stupid mistake that was hurting NOBODY BUT THEMSELVES. Report the busted party, report the number of citations, report that the cops are cracking down- all of which do stop kids from going to these big parties. But don't embarass the kids Scarlet Letter style. It's up to the kids to learn, and the parents and the law to punish... but not the community go gossip about it. "

cards06 wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:54 AM:

" First of all, there is NO WAY having their names printed in the paper is making them cooler to their peers. There is nothing cool about getting an mip. It's embarassing to not only them, but to the families as well.
What I don't get is why do these kids get their names printed in the paper? Plenty of high schoolers get mips on prom night, yet we don't see their names across the news or the paper.
While there is no excuse for underage drinking and if you are caught you deserve to be punished, punishment enough should be the mips and the consquences that follow. These kids are serving their punishment without having to be gosspied about all around town. "

flowkradd wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:14 AM:

" p.s. I don't know about kids in that crowd but a lot of kids in highschool and my age, 19, are already parents right now! and they party and drink.

That's the new america! "

flowkradd wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:11 AM:

" you go Ja50np
This good ol' boy method of raising kids, letting them sow their wild oats as if oats are a natural part of a child is ludicrous. Oats are not built into children! You can raise a good kid, or child who doesn't respect the law. Ain't nothing to do with some natural urge to be a b@st@rd. Teach your children to respect life, their bodies, and authority when it is right. Might isn't right (always teach your child to question!), but underage drinking laws are their for our safety. There is no conspiracy to keep teenagers from making asses of themselves by controlling drinking, we do a good enough job of that when sober. "

Ja50np wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:04 AM:

" Yes flowkradd, you correctly identified the root of the problem. How many of those kids will be parents in ten years? How many will give their young kids sips out of the bottle and eventually throw these parties because they want to be known as the "cool parents". Someone actually has the audacity to say "party on". The cycle of dysfunction lives on. "

flowkradd wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:55 PM:

" Congrats Concord your kids are reaching illustrious levels.

Alcoholism appears almost completely pervasive among the 17-25 crowd. Drinking isn't innately horrible, but obey the law, or at least be more discreet about breaking it! Go cry in a corner and drink away your sorrows about how you aren't interesting at a party without being drunk enough to forget your shame.

p.s. Is this homeowner a parent? If so there is the root of the problem, address that! The kids deserve punishment, but their enablers, parents, older suppliers, make examples of them. Come on America, you are supposedly so moral. Practice what you preach! "

Ja50np wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:54 PM:

" Probably only 18 got caught because the others had enough sense to run when someone yelled "cops" or saw the lights. "

Ja50np wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:27 PM:

" I see some people like to minimize while others overly exagerate. Here are the facts: Most people that are in prison have an offense related to alcohol or drugs. Alcohol is the number 1 killer out of all of those drugs. There was an old boy in the paper not long ago who got quite a sentence related to drinking. Do you think his name shouldn't have made the paper or maybe things would have been different if his name made the paper when he was 18. "

live77 wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:21 PM:

" DOC #. I think that it is a bit exteme to believe that every kid who drinks underage is going to prison later on in life. Just about every kid in america takes a drink prior to the magic "21". Perhaps "Drinker" should be carved into their foreheads. A scarlett letter perhaps. Party on. "

thetruth wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:04 PM:

" Is it really necessary to print the names of some kids who were doing the same thing every teenager in high school or college does? Im not saying underage drinking is ok, but does the whole city need to know that a few kids got caught? I would also like to know why only 18 kids got MIPs while there were far more than that at the party and far more than that drinking. I know for a fact that kids who had been drinking were breathalized and blew a 0. These are the same kids who were in the back of the line for the breathalyzer. Is it true that a breathalyzer can become over saturated if used too much and give a falsereading? "

Ja50np wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:00 PM:

" I see the cycle of dysfunction continues.

Maybe the names were listed for the humiliation factor. Humiliation can be one of the best teachers. I personally hope that the consequences are severe enough to open some eyes because I don't want to see a single one of these kids become a D.O.C. #. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 11, 2008 10:58 PM:

" I'll tell ya, between this and the article on the missing girl, I am beginning to think JC is looking ridiculous. Oh I can't wait for the law enforcement know it alls to weigh in on this one. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 11, 2008 10:55 PM:

" They print these names and don't print names of true offenders. There was a bust on Deer Run where more than one person was busted. Only one person named. I am sorry, IT IS the gossip factor. I know two of these kids and am wondering if the 16 year old is a brother to one. Come one folks, did you never go to a high school party??? Oh, and I am waiting for the idiots to come in here with a rah, rah, lets hang em post. Only in JC would you see this. Fodder, fodder and more fodder. "

live77 wrote on Aug 11, 2008 10:46 PM:

" I (for once) agree with boxer, did they have to print the names of the kids? Just like that silly little paper in fulton that prints the names of speeding tickets and so forth. Isn't there enough news in the county that they can speak of something else. I believe it is all about the gossip factor. It is the Jerry Springer of Jeff City. They can say, "my kids not in the news", and believe little Jenny or Jeffy is not out drinking. All it is, is a way that people can feel more superior to their neighbors. The only thing that these kids did differently than their peers is get caught.To even suggest they can't participate in school activities is foolish and petty. "

concernedparent wrote on Aug 11, 2008 10:10 PM:

" Are yo kidding me? The parent that was in attendance at the party should be held more liable than the underage drinkers, although I agree that this is a problem among teenagers in this community, but as a parent I don't understand why Mr. Harness didn't know there was alcohol at his house, especially since the police had no problems finding it. Wonder why Mr. Harness's child wasn't listed as charged with underage drinking. Is this just another case of the who's who is Jefferson City? Most of the kids listed are good students that just happen to make a mistake and I'm sure they realize the consequences for their actions, mainly the expense of it. That is about all it adds up to. "

mikemojc wrote on Aug 11, 2008 9:56 PM:

" boxergal wrote on Aug 11, 2008 9:07 PM:

" Come on. Did they have to print the names? I know who the owner is, print their names if nothing else. "

News Tribune prints the names when charges are publicly filed. These people are on that list. The 16 year old minor's case will not be public. No charges against the homeowner YET, but when it's filed, it'll be printed. I bet it will be an expensive defense or a big fine.

I wonder if any of these kids will maintain athletic (sports) or extracurricular (band, choir) eligibility if these charges stick. I'm pretty sure there's a school rule that says they LOSE eligibility. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 11, 2008 9:40 PM:

" Play on words? Sly. "

boscoe wrote on Aug 11, 2008 9:29 PM:

" I'm glad the cops were able to put a harness on these kids to stop their drinking.

Putting their names in the paper only made them more cool among their peers. "

boxergal wrote on Aug 11, 2008 9:07 PM:

" Come on. Did they have to print the names? I know who the owner is, print their names if nothing else. "

joytotheworld wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:44 PM:

" I'm sure the ones they got were drinking. I'm sure you know that as well.... "

leeannet wrote on Aug 11, 2008 7:22 PM:

" cited? so were they charged with under age drinking? I dont understand how BEING at the home while a party is going on can result in citations to innocent kids there that happened at the lake last yr many of the kids were there and not drinking. what were the parents doing? so they didnt realize their kid was having a PARTY? I feel sorry for the kids attending that were not drinking at least they arent out on the hwys driving drunk like our reps and judges. :) shame shame kids be safe learn from the bad adults "

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City Council hears first of two competing plans for ambulance service

City tightens finances

Public schools budget tops $100 million again

Kimble challenges district to work on ‘Four Cs'

Speed limit lowered in Holts Summit subdivision

Man's body found Sunday in Camden County

Marijuana plants seized in Rocky Mount area

Linn Creek man injured in two-car accident

Up the down chute

Kids like to play

Police cite 18 for underage drinking at party

Sheriff still seeking public's help in finding missing girl

‘Feed the Children' to deliver supplies to middle school

Sharon Keating: Agent of approval

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