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Holts Summit Council holds off on road issues

By CHRIS WALLER
The Fulton Sun
Published: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
HOLTS SUMMIT, Mo. - Roads were the topic of discussion at this week's city council meeting here, but two ordinances involving the future use of roads in the area were tabled for future sessions.

The council debated Bill No. 2008-64, which would reduce the speed limit in the Lake Park Subdivision from 30 mph to 20, but ultimately decided not to vote on the issue in order to gain more input from the community.

“They are going to hold a public hearing at 6:30 on August 11 to see what the residents in that sub division want to do about this,” City Clerk Cheryl Fletcher said.

Alderperson Jennifer Fletcher requested the change on behalf of residents in the area, and in response the council requested the police department conduct a traffic study to determine if a change was necessary.

Police Chief Victor Pitman said the police used a pneumatic tube system to find out the volume of traffic in the area as well as the amount of vehicles that were in fact speeding.

“What the equipment does, is when you set it up across the roadway it tells you the direction of travel a vehicle is taking and based on axel spacing and other factors ... the probable Department of Transportation classification of that vehicle,” he said. “It tells our computers the class, direction and the speed of the vehicle and then it date and time stamps every vehicle that goes across it.”


The study was conducted for one week. In that amount of time, there were a total of 2,858 vehicles that crossed the survey on Northrup Avenue, and of that number 2,571 drivers were traveling at or under the speed limit.

Pitman noted that of the vehicles that were speeding, 255 were traveling less than five miles above the posted speed limit, meaning that “an average of less than five vehicles a day were exceeding the speed limit more than five miles over.”

He also said from the information gathered in the study, the police department recommended to the city council that no reduction in the speed limit be made.

“Based on that the recommendation in our report was not to reduce the speed limit but to look at other alternatives to deal with the perception that there is a speeding problem,” Pitman said.

Ultimately the decision is up to the people of the subdivision and the board of aldermen, but Pitman warned that if a change is made, the Holts Summit Police Department would enforce the new law.

“If the citizens in that area want to have 20 mile speed limits there and the board decides it, that is their authority,” he said. “In a residential area it is very difficult to do 20 miles an hour, and by increasing it a vast majority of traffic is going to go more than 20 miles an hour.”

The second issue that was also delayed involved Hibernia Street.

Right now the street is closed to the public, but Fletcher said a few citizens have asked for the road to be opened for thru traffic.

“They were talking about opening it to one-way traffic and making it open to parking on one side to make better access to the ball-field and apartment complex that are on that road,” she said.

A public hearing was scheduled before the meeting to gain public opinion, but due to lack of attendance, the board decided to send a letter to the homeowners on the street and wait for input before deciding on the issue.





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boxergal wrote on Jul 22, 2008 12:01 PM:

" Too funny. "One rolling stop at a time", ha!!!!!!!! Actually, I thought their main priority was sitting on the highway and picking people off. Kind of like a "Macks Creek". My husband and I just laugh about it all. I loved it when the one councilwoman slapped the other. I mean, I have wanted to do something like that in my lifetime but never had the guts. You are right, its just a joke. "

L D wrote on Jul 22, 2008 8:08 AM:

" That Holts Summit City council is about worthless. Aside from one or two there, the rest are there either for their own agenda or to do nothing but cause problems. Honestly, if you know what road theyre talking about opening and wasting time doing it. Im just tired of the city I grew up in going down the toilet. City meetings are honestly the most frustrating waste of time there is. NOTHING gets done.
Also, geez dont encourage the HS cops, they dont need it. Their motto: "Saving the world, one rolling stop at a time!" "

boxergal wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:45 AM:

" ....and did nothing but good for the area. Really sad. "

boxergal wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:45 AM:

" PS - they were supposed to get a "patrol cop", I am sure that was tabled also. We tried to get something itty bitty done for the welfare of the neighborhood and never heard back on it. Bad,bad way to run a government. Again, all they used to do was argue, it was such an embarassment. I honestly would love to get involved in being on a board but its just not worth my time to sit and squabble. I have known people that have wanted to run for Mayor and said it wasn't worth their time. And one of the Mayors was run out of town and .... "

boxergal wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:40 AM:

" I do agree they probably are handling complaints most of the time. And I really am not busting their chops, I know they are not paid that well. The one female they had that probably would have been a god send was found murdered. I have respect for anyone in law enforcement, trust me. Actually, I guess the real culprit in all of this is city hall. Heck, it takes them months to even come to a decission on anything. Things are forever tabled and there is always an arguement about something. "

shinymcshine wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:18 AM:

" boxergal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:51 PM:

" shiney - trust me, they are never anywhere.

The fact you say this tells me you're not being fair with them. They ARE somewhere. Maybe not where you think they should be, but they are somewhere, and chances are, they're handling someone ELSES call, complaint, or priority. Think about it. If they spent an hour on your priorities, for 1/8th of the day, they've disregarded everyone elses. I'm not trying to bust your chops on this. Just wanting to add some perspective. That said, (as I said before), I've seen them do some dumb things too. But that's the nature of having a young dept with very basic training. "

boxergal wrote on Jul 18, 2008 6:51 AM:

" And excuse me Mr. Hardtime...I have done plenty over the years. I like living here, like the people at the police dept. but don't like the way they do (or don't do thing). So I am really sorry you hate reading my comments but the truth hurts. Hey, I might run for Mayor, would that be "doing something" in your books?? "

boxergal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:53 PM:

" "face of professionalism"...you don't know the half of it. But its gotten much better over the years. "

boxergal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:51 PM:

" shiney - trust me, they are never anywhere. We had an incident involving a teen in a vehicle that infuriated us so much we just went to the police station. Talked to an extremely nice gentleman. He did tell us to get the plate number next time and give it to him. We have seen it all. And we do understand the problem of them having to be elsewhere. I know there is a trailer court here that keeps them busy. They know there is a problem with speeders in my area but we very rarely see anyone out here. "

shinymcshine wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:50 PM:

" its plenty easy to take shots when you don't know all the facts. I'm not a HSPD advocate. I know they aren't the face of professionalism, but they do the best they can and given their pay scale, they probably don't do too bad.
The public gets the level of professionalism they demand, but as the standard goes up, the compensation does too.
You as a citizen can file a charge if you want as well. If you know who it was and can articulate the action, you can file a probable cause statement with the county prosecutor and cause charges to be filed. Just a thought. "

shinymcshine wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:46 PM:

" So when you saw this, did you call in a plate? If its a pattern, have you given the PD a heads up as to when its going on? I'm not making excuses for them. I know they screw up, but on the other hand, you get what you pay for. They can't be everywhere and I'm sure they'd like to nab these n'er-do-wells as much as you would, but they've got probably two people on for the whole town at any given time. For every place you'd like them to be, there's a dozen other places that they need to be. "

boxergal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:16 PM:

" Yea, central...you understand, don't you? They don't enforce anything. I have seen kids flying down my road going at least 60, seen someone waving a gun while driving, guzzling a beer....I could go on and on. Yea, they do a great job, don't they?? "

boxergal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:14 PM:

" I want them to do their job, thats all. Enforce the laws. By the way, I have met some nice policemen with the HS force. We just want them to do their job. But hey, I don't pay city taxes. As far as Callaway, they have some really fine people there too that we have called upon. And by the way, I pay for those fine Callaway County Sheriff's and deputies, I will say what I want. As far as HS, everyone knows its a joke. "

centralmogirl wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:42 PM:

" No point in lowering the speed limit in Lake Park subdivision if the police won't enforce it. A couple of months ago, the city spent money installing no parking signs on the right side of the street in this subdivision and lots of people are just ignoring those signs and I haven't seen one police car cruising thru to enforce that-so what makes this any different? "

hardtime wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:58 PM:

" boxergal, I have been reading your comments for months. Do you have nothing better to do then talk about how bad the cops in callaway county and holts summit are. You try it, put on a badge and step up. Lets see what you got. If you don't like it here, move... Columbia is always looking for more people to cry but do nothing. thank you HPD and Callaway Co i wish we could pay you more. "

boxergal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:48 AM:

" "The amount of vehicles that were speeding". GIVE ME A BREAK. Come out in the trusty patrol car, sit with a radar gun and then you will find out. Yea, there is a 30 mph speed limit sign on Nieman Rd. where someone has spray painted "ha" over it. Yea, ha is right. Note - You can't just patrol, you have to put some effort into actually sitting and picking people up. Gee, what novel idea. We were told a few years back that they couldn't sit on side streets and get speeders because they had no where to pull them over. (ha, ha!) "

boxergal wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:41 AM:

" What good is lowering the speed limit if they won't enforce it (don't get me started). "


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