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Analysis
Gas at $4 brings promises, pandering

By Tom Raum
Associated Press
Published: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:32 PM CDT
WASHINGTON - Like two rival filling-station owners across the highway in long-bygone price wars, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain keep putting up flashy signs and offering new incentives in hopes of attracting customers battered by $4 gas prices.

McCain is offering a summer break from the 18.4-cent federal gasoline tax, and holding out the promise of more offshore drilling to help you drive more cheaply to the beach. He wants to build 45 new nuclear reactors to generate electricity. On Monday, he proposed a $300 million government prize to anyone who can develop a superior battery to power cars of the future.

He may even wash your windows.

If you pull into the Obama station, he'll promise you cash back from the windfall-profits tax he plans to slap on Big Oil. Check the tires? How about promises to go after oil-market speculators who help drive up prices as well as big subsidies for solar, wind, ethanol and other alternative-energy projects? The Illinois senator likens his energy package to the Kennedy-era space program.

Oil and gas prices that have doubled in the past year have squeezed aside the war in Iraq as the No. 1 issue this election year and both parties are blaming each other for the price spike - and for apparent congressional paralysis.

Obama and McCain have made high gas prices a top issue in their campaigns and have offered dueling remedies aimed at easing them. Their positions are being echoed daily by their surrogates on Capitol Hill. And both make it sound as if only their proposals would chart the path to lower fuel prices and a final cure for what President Bush once labeled the nation's addiction to foreign oil.


This debate is certain to get louder as the November election approaches.

In a USA Today-Gallup Poll released Monday, nine in 10 people said energy, including gas prices, would be very or extremely important in deciding their presidential vote in November, tying it with the economy as the top issue. People said Obama would do a better job than McCain on energy issues by 19 percentage points.

Yet energy experts and economists - and even some of the candidates' own advisers - say none of their signature proposals will have any impact on $4 gasoline or $130 a barrel oil in the near term, or even the intermediate term.

Is it open season for pandering?

“I think it is. This is a real pressure point for people every day, everytime they fill their tanks. Therefore, politicians can't leave it alone,” said Fred Greenstein, professor emeritus of politics at Princeton University.

Also, Greenstein said, McCain and Obama “needed to sharpen their knives on each other” as they found themselves going one-on-one after Hillary Rodham Clinton quit the Democratic race on June 7.

The rivals have helped to amplify the longtime ideological divide on energy between Democrats and Republicans - with Democrat Obama putting his emphasis on reducing demand and Republican McCain touting increasing domestic production.

Yet, on some long-range issues they're closer together than their current rhetoric would suggest.

Both want to boost alternative energy technology, press for more fuel efficiency and promote more conservation. Both McCain and Obama favor expanding the electricity grid, implementing caps on carbon emissions to curb global warming, spend billions on clean-coal research and give nuclear energy a larger role. They differ on offshore drilling, but agree on keeping the ban on oil exploration in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Despite the flurry of activity and rhetoric, major factors in the rise of gas prices - the weak dollar, soaring demand in China and India, market speculation, supply problems - are beyond U.S. policy-makers' direct control.

“There's no really good near-term policy response to what's happening,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com and an adviser to McCain. “That doesn't mean we shouldn't be talking and acting on these things now. I think the policy steps may reap benefits five, 10, 15 years down the road.”

Even if Congress does lift the ban on drilling on the continental shelf, and states go along, energy experts say it's at least a five to seven year process before new drillling could beging - and that could be optimistic The industry already is in a frenetic push to find more sources of hydrocarbons and faces severe shortages of rigs and other equipment and workers.

Construction of nuclear reactors can take many years, sometimes decades, of regulatory hurdles before ground is broken once a new nuclear power plant is proposed. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has nine applications for as many as 15 new reactors; the industry anticipates the first of these around 2016-2017 at the earliest.

McCain and Obama differ on a proposed federal gasoline tax holiday. McCain supports a temporary repeal saying a respite from the 18.4 cents per gallon tax will help consumers and small businesses. Obama ridicules the plan - which Clinton had also supported - as a gimmick that would steal money for U.S. highway repair and maintenance without much benefit to consumers. Most economists agree with the Obama camp.

McCain opposes ethanol subsidies - not a popular stand in the nation's heartland - although mixed his criticism of such subsidies with a little pandering during a trip to Iowa last month, when he praised farmers in his audience as “the most productive, most efficient and the best. And I will open every market in the world to your products.”

Obama, coming from the country's second largest corn-producing state, has supported such subsidies, although he has said the federal government might have to rethink its support for corn ethanol because of surging corn prices which hit the world's poorest people the hardest.

And while Obama is calling for reducing the influence of special interests, some of his top supporters and advisers are tied to the ethanol industry. Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota is on the board of several ethanol companies and works at a Washington law firm where he lists advice to clients in renewable energy among his specialties. Obama energy adviser Jason Grumet previously worked at the National Commission on Energy Policy, a bipartisan initiative associated with both Daschle and former Kansas Republican Sen. Bob Dole, a big ethanol backer, according to a story in Monday's editions of The New York Times.



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boscoe wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:40 PM:

" missjc wrote: " boscoe asked "What's been so terrible about the last four years?" are you kidding me??? "


No specfics? "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:06 PM:

" jclocal, maybe you should reread the article on McCain that you posted. Apparently, his ex-wife has no hard feelings about what happened. And look at some of the sources that were used. Some are not so credible. But it is apparent you believe what you want to believe. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:54 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote "With that said, I don't make statements like the "Wal-Mart foodstamp" thing without being able to back them up."

Well, you haven't backed anything up yet. It is because you can't. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:52 PM:

" missjc wrote "Mac1974...Why are you not answering my question?"

Because he can't. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:52 PM:

" missjc wrote "What's been so terrible about the last four years?" are you kidding me???"

Nothing. It has been pretty good. Anyone that says otherwise is biased. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:50 PM:

" jclocal wrote on "We need someone with a strong soul and a backbone."

Then you should support McCain. If you know anything about him then you know he has both of those qualifications. Obama does not. I know there are those that will talk themselves into believing anything and it appears you are one of those. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:48 PM:

" jclocal wrote on "...something needs to change, someone like Obama needs to step up and say things arent right, too much corruption."

Have you checked into his background. He is as corrupt as any politician. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:47 PM:

" jclocal wrote on "And also Byron a shakeup in Washington is Someone that is not afraid to try things differently or against the grain, hoping for a better outcome,.."

Doing stupid things is against the grain. At least it used to be. But you will get your wish for a shake up if Obama wins becuase he sure will do stupid things. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:44 PM:

" jclocal wrote "The war is fradulent, even your boy Bush has admitted that we went in under false pretenses, not my words, those are his."

That is not what he said. You twist things. But I know you can't help it. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:42 PM:

" gofish wrote "I'm shocked that so many of you are buying into Obama's propaganda about McCain being a 3rd Bush administration."

You shouldn't be. That is what liberals and democrats do. They believe in propaganda. Why? Because they can't think for themselves. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:40 PM:

" gofish wrote "a good read on the Redistribution of Wealth in the U.S. Educate yourself before you blurt your uninformed opinions."

I reviewed the paper. It is a big So What? The whole "rich getting richer poor getting poorer" is only political nonsense. Look beyond it because it has no substantive meaning. The rich always get richer as I attempted to explain. No news here. "

missjc wrote on Jul 3, 2008 4:26 PM:

" I think it is unfair to claim that the majority of wal-mart workers are on welfare when you can not produce the "facts" you claim to have, but I will drop it and move on. Have a Happy 4th everyone!! "

gofish wrote on Jul 3, 2008 4:20 PM:

" jclocal, thanks for the link to the article on McCain. I heard about this on the Eagle 97 this morning and wanted to read more. Very interesting story, and more so that his first wife seems to understand the dynamics of the situation and how McCain felt he needed to move on. His first wife is a real trooper. "

Mac1974 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 4:12 PM:

" Miss, your decision to take offense to my assertion is completely subjective. It's just a fact and by no means am I implying that these people are "lesser" than anyone else. I have relatives and friends who work for Wal-Mart and I'm also a past recipient of state aid. No, that does not make me an expert on this subject but maybe it has influenced my decision to look further into the business practices of Wal-Mart. While doing that, I found several interesting pieces of information. One being that most Wal-Mart employees receive state aid. I'm sure Google will quickly provide you with several sources. "

missjc wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:35 PM:

" You say it comes from data released from several different state departments, ok then what state departments? Did you find it on a website if so which one? I would like to see where these figures that your coming up with in print because when you put people down who work at a certain place then you should have something to back it up with. To say the "majority" of wal-mart workers are on welfare is not fair to say unless you can produce true "facts" to prove it and if I were a wal-mart worker I would take offence to your statement. "

Mac1974 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:15 PM:

" It comes from data released from several different state departments, missjc. I know you wouldn't make too many assumptions about me (afterall I'm just another screen name on the Internet). With that said, I don't make statements like the "Wal-Mart foodstamp" thing without being able to back them up. I'm not a bot that was sent here to annoy you, missjc. I just think people who say "I'm proud to be a Wal-Mart shopper" should know what they're contributing to. Miss, would you seriously be surprised to know that a majority of Wal-Mart employees are in fact adults and really do get state assistance? "

missjc wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:48 PM:

" boscoe asked "What's been so terrible about the last four years?" are you kidding me??? "

missjc wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:45 PM:

" Mac1974 when did I say most wal-mart employee's made more then state workers, I do not recall every saying that. Why are you not answering my question? If you have these so called "facts" then please tell me where you got them from, all "facts" come from some place yet you have not given me your source of information. "

jclocal wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:30 PM:

" way denouncing McCains service to our country, that should be something we should all be grateful for, but there are also a lot of other people in this country to have done or are doing some of the same things, so we should not give him total credit based on that. "

jclocal wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:29 PM:

" And also Byron a shakeup in Washington is Someone that is not afraid to try things differently or against the grain, hoping for a better outcome, because what is going on now in Washington isnt working, something needs to change, someone like Obama needs to step up and say things arent right, too much corruption. We need someone with a strong soul and a backbone. Watching John McCain speak is so painful to watch, almost looks like there are strings above his head making him move and talk, now Obama, that is a VERY educated man that has worked to get where he is now, didnt marry into politics, so obviously his record is a little more earned, now I am in no "

JCPatriot wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:26 PM:

" Vote for Family Guy Peter Griffin Yeah !!!! "

JCPatriot wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Boscoe, I said I'm voting for Peter Griffin from family. On the flipside of your comment: " I rather have a ignorant fool in the Oval Office that don't know anybetter. Than a intentional Idiot that know what he or she know what there doing to our Nation?

I would vote independant in before a Libertarian, I have some smarts. So don't worry, Its going to be a Interesting November 08... God only knows, so let us pray... lol "

jclocal wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:14 PM:

" Byron, sounds like you are one of those conservative right wingers......The war is fradulent, even your boy Bush has admitted that we went in under false pretenses, not my words, those are his. Secondly, tell me how 10 BILLION DOLLARS a month that is going into a "war" instead of pumping into our economy wouldnt help it? And this one is aimed right at you Byron,w.w.w.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html here is the story about McCains first wife that he admittingly left because of adultery, he has paid for her medical care for her life since the accident for her to stay hush hush, he abandoned her, so what would make him not abandon the american people? "

Mac1974 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:14 PM:

" Here's some numbers for you. Did you know there are more people in the position of Office Support Assistant in Missouri State Gov't than any other position? Did you know that if you have that position and 2 children, you qualify for food stamps, health care and free daycare?

You really think "most" Wal-Mart employees make more than State workers? lol "

boscoe wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:13 PM:

" missjc wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:50 PM:
"Again I will put my vote for ANYONE other then McCain, I refuse to have another four years like we have had."

What's been so terrible about the last four years? Sure, things are a little rough now, but the last four years have been pretty dang good on the whole.

Low interest rates
Low to no unemployment
No terrorists attacts
Low casualties in two wars
Low inflation
Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen became over 21
Etc. "

gofish wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:09 PM:

" Given McCain's record of being independent enough to vote against Bush and against his own party when he believed it was the right thing to do, I'm shocked that so many of you are buying into Obama's propaganda about McCain being a 3rd Bush administration. Sometimes when you ask for change, that's what you get. For example, the lady in Colorado that decided to reword the Star Spangled Banner at a City State of the city address substituting the lyrics with the Black National Anthem. Are you ready for more of the same desecration of US patriotism?

www(dod)gazette(dot)com/opinion/view_37878___article.html/anthem_one.html "

gofish wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:03 PM:

" Byron here is a good read on the Redistribution of Wealth in the U.S. Educate yourself before you blurt your uninformed opinions.

www(dot)jchs(dot)harvard(dot)edu/publications/markets/w07-1(dot)pdf "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:40 PM:

" missjc wrote "you have no idea what type of president.

If you think about what he says he will do and if he were to try to implement it, it is obvious he will be a complete and total failure. Sounds to me like you hoping for the best but haven't really thought any of it out. That is a disservice to the country. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:37 PM:

" missjc wrote "I think we have a chance to get back to normal with Obama so my vote is for him!"

Define normal. Sounds to me it is just senselss hope. Wasn't that the name of Obama's book? "Senseless Hope: That's All We Got." "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:35 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote "Did you know the majority of Wal-Mart employees are on welfare? I'm not speculating, that's just a FACT!"

That is just insane. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:34 PM:

" Mac1974 wrote "I refuse to buy into the whole "terrorists are coming to get you" big, fat, lie anymore...It's been 7 years folks, we absolutely HAVE to move on at some point."

There was eight years between the first WTC bombing and 9/11. Second we have been proactive in fighting terrorism. Your ideas are worng and if implemented are dangerous. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:32 PM:

" jclocal wrote "kind of man John McCain is then why would you even want a man like that to lead you?"

Yet you loved Clinton. Such hypocrisy is apparent even to the most dimwitted. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:31 PM:

" jclocal wrote "Don't know how many caught the story of McCain, but did you know he left his model wife after he got home from war and she had a car accident while he was away."

You liberals will misconstrue everything. Simply by sayig "after he got home from the war" is a sure sign of utter dishonesty. MCCain came home with physical disabilities dure to being a POW. His wife had an accident sure. But years apart caused thier split. You lefties should be ashamed of yourselves. But you won't be. Lefties don't know what shame is. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:26 PM:

" Mac wrote I encourage you to accept the idea that McCain REALLY isn't qualified for the job just because he was a P.O.W."

McCain has shown that he is courageous and strong. Obama gives no indication he as a scintilla of either trait. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:24 PM:

" jclocal wrote "I'm not saying that were going to have a Mesiah president come on board in 2009, but what we will hopefully have and need is a president that will shake things up, that is what the people want and that is what Washington NEEDS."

Obama won't "shake things up" whatever that means. "Shake things up" is just another mindless liberal mantra. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:22 PM:

" jclocal wrote "I admit, Democrats historicaly have had higher taxes, but take the last 20 years between 2 Republican presidents and a Democrat and tell me during which terms we had a good economy......."

We have a had a good economy for most of GW Bush years. Clinton did nothing for the economy. Growth started before he took office. He rode a wave that's all. People need to get over this idea that the president has very much to do with the econmy. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:19 PM:

" redf, there is nothing fair about the fair tax unless you make a lot of money. The "fair" tax will increase taxes for most of us. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:16 PM:

" redf wrote "I also cannot wait until we get the new messiah president in office because then everyone will see what a mess the democratic party is."

how true. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:11 PM:

" gofish wrote The Reagan-Bush-Bush2 years have seen the greatest redistribution of wealth. The rich got richer because of economic policies that favored the special interests and above average income earners.

I support a flat, national sales tax."

What an insane idea. If you have any concern for the poor you'll reject a national sales tax immediately. Next, the poor don't get poorer because the rich got richer. That is just another political buzz words. The rich will always get richer if they are not robbed. In a good economy the rich will alwaays do better than the poor as they have the means to invest and the return will be greater. The things you are spouting are part of the problem. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:08 PM:

" gofish wrote "It's not the political party Byron, it's the economic policies that ruin the economy. Carter, Reagan, GW Bush, all made a mess of the economy."

No, the president has little to do with the economy. That red herring needs to be rejected. it is simple political mumbo jumbo used to get votes. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:06 PM:

" jclocal wrote "Everyone may not like it at first, but it will cause a shakeup which is what we need right now, a change which is what a any party other than the republicans will do."

No one will like what Obama will do. His policies will destroy this nation. His policies and the policies of his party has caused all the problems. It is called stupidity. When people do stupid things they pay the prices. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:04 PM:

" jclocal wrote "you cannot sit there and tell me that by Bush getting us into a fraudulent war is not cotributing to some of our economic problems right now?"

There is no fraudulent war. The real war has nothing to do with the economy. Get off the crazy left wing blogs and do something for your country instead of running it down. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:01 PM:

" boscoe wrote No doubt things will get much worse before they get better."

Gotta admire that negativity! "

missjc wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:54 PM:

" Mac1974 I did not ask to hear more numbers I asked where you get your "facts" from?

And just an FYI, just because Wal-Mart does not offer insurance to all employees does not mean those employees do not have insurance, I know someone who has worked part-time at Wal-Mart and has for the past 15 years and she does not have insurance with Wal-Mart but she is on her husbands insurance and he works for the state. "

missjc wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:50 PM:

" Byron W those are your opinions and I respect that but I do not feel that way, you have no idea what type of president he will be, I guess we will just have to wait and see. Again I will put my vote for ANYONE other then McCain, I refuse to have another four years like we have had. "

Mac1974 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:44 PM:

" In 2005, 1.2 million people worked for Wal-Mart. Only 500,000 of those received any kind of health care. The majority of Wal-Mart employees are below the income level at which they can be granted state assistance. If they aren't receiving welfare it is either due to pride or stupidity. Did you know that when most Wal-Mart employees go to the emergency room, you are picking up the bill? Anyone care to argue that? How else would they pay for it? Is that not a form of welfare? "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:42 PM:

" missjc, Obama would be the least expierenced president ever. Most likely, based on his expierence, he would be the worst. His policies certainly would be a disaster. He would do nothing for the economy and nothing about energy. If we elect Obama we might as well put a gun to our heads. "

missjc wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:40 AM:

" jclocal I have to agree with you, I for one do not want another 4 years of what we have now and that is exactly what we will get with McCain, do I think Obama will be the greatest president ever? Not sure, but I am willing to give it a chance when the only other choice we have is McCain; this country is in trouble and McCain does not plan on changing anything so why would anyone want him in office?

I think we have a chance to get back to normal with Obama so my vote is for him! "

missjc wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:33 AM:

" Mac1974 wrote: "Did you know the majority of Wal-Mart employees are on welfare? I'm not speculating, that's just a FACT!"

Could you please tell me where you got your facts? The majority of the people who work at wal-mart are school aged so how can they be on welfare? "

Mac1974 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:10 AM:

" The second is the Right's perception of Capitalism. Capitalism is fine but it NEEDS checks and balances. I challenge any of you to read about Capitalism and understand what happens when corp's get too large. Look, you have a large majority of the population (again, poverty-stricken and dumbed down) complaining about how many people are taking welfare. Did you know the majority of Wal-Mart employees are on welfare? I'm not speculating, that's just a FACT! When you shop there, you are furthering that! How can you rationalize it any other way? Want to support large corps? Then you support welfare! Period! "

Mac1974 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:06 AM:

" There are 2 things I am entirely sick of in this country and both are heavily promoted and marketed by the Right. The first is the use of fear as a tool to keep people dumbed down. I refuse to buy into the whole "terrorists are coming to get you" big, fat, lie anymore. If you live in J.C., Missouri, you have a better chance of being attacked by a killer robot than a friggin terrorist. The republican's use of this scare tactic has only resulted in a country full of racist idiots! It's been 7 years folks, we absolutely HAVE to move on at some point. "

jclocal wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:50 AM:

" kind of man John McCain is then why would you even want a man like that to lead you? "

jclocal wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:49 AM:

" but if your tired of that regime, then you only have one other choice, and I think you should give that man a fair chance, he has already put himself out there for ridicule quite a bit more than his counterpart. Don't know how many caught the story of McCain, but did you know he left his model wife after he got home from war and she had a car accident while he was away. He came home to her being physically changed and hooked up with his current sugarmamma. Which ironically enough, her father got McCain into politics all together. So if McCain leaving his wife that he had kids with because she wasnt as beautiful is any testament to what "

jclocal wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:45 AM:

" gofish, I think that Obama IS going to be held to somewhat of what he is preaching. The public has enough of the latest Bush to drive them over the edge. We are all tired of lies upon lies, only to be covered up by more lies and keep us oblivious to the fact of whats really going on. I think Americans can see right through that now, especially with John McCain, so either Obama is one heck of an actor or people are seeing that he is gonna hold his self to the high regards he is setting himself up with. Us Americans have 2 choices, if you want 4 more years of a George Bush vote for McCain,.... "

gofish wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:22 AM:

" Yeah, yeah, if you recall Bushy was going to change Washington too. Politicians all say that. He was going to be a "uniter not a divider", and we were not going to be "nation building".

What did we get in return for his alleged policy of change? Divisions:The near elimination of the middle class, the worst economy in my life time. And Nation Building: A senseless war in Iraq where we are trying to install our democratic society in a country used to dictatorship.

Geeez. You people following the pied piper and his BS about change are going to be so shocked when you find out he was just another politician singing sweet songs to your ear. "

1opinion wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:43 AM:

" Do we all agree, it's time for a change and McCain is not the one to do it. "

Mac wrote on Jul 2, 2008 6:21 PM:

" Shep. Smith just said GM's entire market share is only 4% of Toyota's. There is a great probability that we will soon see GM declare bankruptcy and go completely under.

I say let's wash our hands of the notion that Old Rich White Men should be chosen for president. I encourage you to accept the idea that McCain REALLY isn't qualified for the job just because he was a P.O.W. Just look at what oil-rich Bush has done to us. He will forever be the worst president in history and quite possibly (and finally) the demise of the Republican Party altogether. "

gofish wrote on Jul 2, 2008 3:57 PM:

" lookingin wrote "I agree, we in the middle class and those in the lower income bracket need the help that Barack Obama can give us."


1opinion wrote "I miss the Clinton years. President Obama will bring them back."

I miss the Clinton/Carnahan years as well, but I think those who buy Obama's "change" message will be sadly disappointed when someone pulls the curtain and finds the little man just blabbering into a microphone.

Obama isn't the Messiah, he's the Anti-Christ. "

lookingin wrote on Jul 2, 2008 1:26 PM:

" I agree, we in the middle class and those in the lower income bracket need the help that Barack Obama can give us. "

1opinion wrote on Jul 2, 2008 1:03 PM:

" I miss the Clinton years. President Obama will bring them back. "

jclocal wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:54 AM:

" That is no opinion there, just good ol' history. I'm not saying that were going to have a Mesiah president come on board in 2009, but what we will hopefully have and need is a president that will shake things up, that is what the people want and that is what Washington NEEDS. "

jclocal wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Red, first off you dont know for sure that I'm a Democrat or not. If you think this war is not a huge chunk of why our economy is horrible then think about what we could spend over 10 BILLION dollars a month on besides a "war" that has no justification. If you can honestly sit there and say that 10 billion extra dollars a month couldnt help, and I said help not fix the economy and not the mention the value of the dollar then you sir are blind. I admit, Democrats historicaly have had higher taxes, but take the last 20 years between 2 Republican presidents and a Democrat and tell me during which terms we had a good economy....... "

redf wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:16 AM:

" When the bush tax cuts expire in 2010 people will remember what he did for us. When you get around $100 more dollars taken out of every paycheck and more once Obama gets his way with his tax increases well see what will happen. He said just recently when asked about the rising gas prices that he wished it wouldnt have been so abrupt. Oh wait you mean he wants them to rise but just not so fast. Give me a break. Go Fish is right though however it is called the fair tax. It taxes consumption, which means the drug dealers and criminals out there who dont pay taxes will have to and it will help the poor. "

redf wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Lastly, when did it become a bad thing to make money in this country? When did it become a bad thing to make a profit from a business you started? When did people have to start feeling guilty for doing well and owning things? I for one am finishing college this month and for what? So if I get a new job that pays me more I can pay more taxes? What is the incentive to work hard and excel? I am sorry but these people who dont take care of themselves are not my problem and my money shouldn't be used to take care of them. "

redf wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:11 AM:

" I also cant wait until we have universal health care and wont be able to get treated for months at a time. Look into the shamble of a health care system Canada and Great Britain have. Do you want that for us too? People come to this country from Canada because we have the best health care system in the world and they cant get treated decently where they are. I am sure glad we are going to get the shake up we need by getting blasted with taxes and a horrifyingly bad health care system that once in place can probably never be removed. "

redf wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:08 AM:

" Then hes going to tax the oil companies to death, which also means gas prices are going to rise, so we are going to be in worse shape than we are now. So because of his tax hikes, businesses are going to leave this country or fold, we are going to pay outrageous prices for goods and gas, and the people in this country who dont do anything but sit at home and live off welfare and have babies are going to be doing better than us that actually work for a living because we are going to pay for them to live and not be able to live ourselves. How are people supposed to pay for their homes? "

redf wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:06 AM:

" I didn't realize you can be given your own money back and it be called a gift. Talk about spin. I also cannot wait until we get the new messiah president in office because then everyone will see what a mess the democratic party is. The corporate tax rate right now is 35% and going to go higher if it is up to Obama and what happens then? Either you get the tax increase passed on to you, because if you know anything about taxes businesses do not pay them, you do in the form of the price of the goods you bought. So in essence he is going to place a higher tax on everything you buy. "

redf wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:04 AM:

" jclocal -

For one the war isnt the reason the economy is in shambles it is because our tax system thwarts the flow of money in this country and makes it possible for congressional leaders to use it to keep their offices. Do you know that our tax dollars pay for our congressmen and women to lease whatever cars they want to drive, pay for their insurance, and pay for their gasoline while we all pay almost $4 a gallon? And these are the people that wont let us drill. They will take money from us hand over fist and give $600 of it back to us and act like it is a gift. "

gofish wrote on Jul 2, 2008 8:43 AM:

" Byron W. wrote "We have had simliar rough patches before and we got through them. ...it is "oh no! the end of the world is coming" only because there happens to be a republican it the white house."

It's not the political party Byron, it's the economic policies that ruin the economy. Carter, Reagan, GW Bush, all made a mess of the economy. By far, the GW Bush years are the worst of those 3. Good economy, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton.

The Reagan-Bush-Bush2 years have seen the greatest redistribution of wealth. The rich got richer because of economic policies that favored the special interests and above average income earners.

I support a flat, national sales tax. "

jclocal wrote on Jul 2, 2008 8:02 AM:

" in office in January, and not the mirror image of Bush either, you will see a change. Everyone may not like it at first, but it will cause a shakeup which is what we need right now, a change which is what a any party other than the republicans will do. So far everyone we have had in office in the last 20 years has sat back and watched the problems going on but didnt have the cohones do demonstrate drastic change, just worried about lining their pockets. "

jclocal wrote on Jul 2, 2008 7:57 AM:

" First off Byron, you cannot sit there and tell me that by Bush getting us into a fraudulent war is not cotributing to some of our economic problems right now? There is no way around it, if we were not over there right now our economy wouldn't be in the dumper. Secondly, why does it always seem that Bush supporters will look past all his wrong doings and lies only to reword it and make it sound like he is doing a great job. Our economy is terrible right now, worst its been in 20-30 years and no Bush didn't cause all of it, but it trickeled down from him and his administration. When you see a new president...... "

boscoe wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:45 PM:

" Doesn't matter: Republican or Democrat. Neither is any good anymore. They all sell their souls to the special interests and they all seem to hate our country.

No doubt things will get much worse before they get better. I just read where 2000 workers at Chrysler are getting axed because the plant in St. Louis is closing. For each autoworker, you can bet that there are bunches of employees at suppliers like Johnson Controls who are also going to get axed. This one plant closing could easily put 20,000 Missourians out of work.

Yes, it is that bad. Worse, there is no candidate with any answers or any ability to pull America together to work to overcome. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 1, 2008 4:58 PM:

" gofish wrote "And, I'd say many will agree the present economy and $4.00/gallon gas is a more than just a "rough patch".

We have had simliar rough patches before and we got through them. But in your mind it is "oh no! the end of the world is coming" only because there happens to be a republican it the white house. Get off the hate!!! "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 1, 2008 4:56 PM:

" gofish wrote "What changed?"

Nothing changed those comments are consistent. if it weren't for your hate you would see that. "

gofish wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:48 PM:

" 12-4-2007, President Bush offered at his press conference today that, quote, "the basics in the economy are good"

3-26-2008 "(There's) a rough patch right now in our economy and I'm confident in the long term we'll come out stronger than ever before,"

What changed? And, I'd say many will agree the present economy and $4.00/gallon gas is a more than just a "rough patch".

No hate, just the facts. Pull your head out of the sand man! "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:14 PM:

" gofish wrote "In the 2005 State of the Union address, Bush said that more Americans are going back to work and that the economy is growing and healthy."

So you have to go back to 2005 when things WERE going well. So what? That proves nothing at all other than that you'll grab at anything in attempt to keep reality from sinking in. Since then Bush has said many times that the economy has problems. Get the hate out of your heart. It does you and no one else any good. "

gofish wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:27 PM:

" zealot (zěl'ət)
n.

One who is zealous, especially excessively so.
A fanatically committed person.

I'd say the far right and the far left could have this label attached. "

gofish wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:21 PM:

" "In the 2005 State of the Union address, Bush said that more Americans are going back to work and that the economy is growing and healthy."

Didn't exactly pan out that way did it Byron?

The price of oil has more than doubled since then. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:22 PM:

" I thought you'd say, boscoe, that religious zealots do the stoning. No matter, it is apparent that you don't know what a zealot is. "

boscoe wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:10 AM:

" Byron:

Religious zealots often get stoned. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:54 AM:

" JC Patriot, libertarians are fools. "

Byron W. wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:54 AM:

" gofish wrote "It's all part of my plan Byron. To expose you to the truth about the Republican right. THe people who are telling you that the economy is great, are the one's who are ruining it."

You need to stay off the left wing blogs because NO ONE is saying the economy is great. The one's ruining it are mostly democrats and a few others that keep pushing for more taxes, more government spending, more regulations and no drilling for oil. Those people are going to destroy us. They are out of touch with the real world and how it works. "

JCpatriot wrote on Jun 30, 2008 6:25 PM:

" Hey you two cut it out, both parties have been lying and cheating the American people for years. I wish a Independant or libratarian Makes President and straightens out all the mistakes. But we let big money(Alu-manoti & Tri-lateral Commission, opec for ex: run our country into the ground, we the people are all to blame.

I'm talking Billionaire Families,control the lobbyist & Politicans manipulate our economy.we the people have to protect our economy, national security, most important our american way of life. Bos remember quote: United We Stand Divide We Fall ! "

gofish wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:56 PM:

" Byron W. wrote "It is apparent, go fish, that you have been reading the extremist left wing blogs again."

It's all part of my plan Byron. To expose you to the truth about the Republican right. THe people who are telling you that the economy is great, are the one's who are ruining it. Pull your head out of the sand ole buddy. "

Byron W. wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:42 PM:

" It is apparent, go fish, that you have been reading the extremist left wing blogs again. Put them down, look at the information yourself and you'll come to totally different conclusions. "

Byron W. wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:40 PM:

" not so, go fish. the first up swing happened in the Carter administration. It seems to be at its height when the Iraq-Iran war started. Then you had a steady decline for nearly 10 years of republicans in the white house. There was spike apparently due to the gulf war but then there wasn't a dramatic increase until about the time of Katrina. It seems to me that if republicans wanted to drive up gas prices they would have done a better job than that. "

gofish wrote on Jun 30, 2008 1:27 PM:

" Sorry Byron, Gore asked for the release clinton authorized it on 9-21-2000.

But if you'll look at zfacts(dot)com/p/35.html you'll see that the highest sustained prices of gasoline and the most dramatic increases in price occurred during the Republican administrations of Reagan, GHW Bush, and GW Bush. And that's not from a left wing blog my friend, just cold hard facts.

I see a pattern. Every time a dem is in office, the price of gas is stable. The last 3 republican administrations have resulted in pro-business laws that tanked the economy and bludgeoned the middle class. The only trickle down I felt from Reagan was trickle of urine down his leg. "

Byron W. wrote on Jun 30, 2008 1:06 PM:

" I apparently left out that that info was from April 2006. Bush is doing what he can on this subject. it is time for Congress to step up and agree to drilling. "

Byron W. wrote on Jun 30, 2008 12:09 PM:

" here are some facts: In April 6, Bush temporarily stopped deposits to the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve. The experts said the impact of withholding deposits, while positive, will have a negligible impact on gas prices. Also at that time Bush called for a rollback of $2 billion in government assistance and tax breaks for oil companies over 10 years. Your idea that Bush is the culprit is based on left wing lies. "

Byron W. wrote on Jun 30, 2008 12:04 PM:

" gofish wrote "One fine example:Before leaving office, Al Gore authorized the release of the strategic oil reserves due to high gas prices. Reduced prices were the result."

When did Al Gore have such authority? "

gofish wrote on Jun 30, 2008 9:48 AM:

" Byron wrote: "And more importantly, look at democrats for the problem. They are the ones that have prevented oil exploration in this country for years."

I agree.


As for who's in office not making a difference, I'll remain in my make believe world and assume you are in denial. One fine example:Before leaving office, Al Gore authorized the release of the strategic oil reserves due to high gas prices. Reduced prices were the result. Your mindless leader W has never released the strategic reserves and refuses to do so now in spite of the fact that the economy is tanking as a result. Call it a short term fix, but it's better than letting the country bleed to death. "

JCpatriot wrote on Jun 29, 2008 2:56 AM:

" Fish,Don't mean to burst your Fish tank , Also its not who's president, But what President veto's or signed Bills that turn into laws, that reflect our economy & nation as a whole. lIke NAFTA act for good example. Okay :) "

JCpatriot wrote on Jun 29, 2008 2:50 AM:

" Byron, Your right about democrats were responisble of that Oil explor Bann & NAFTA Demo: Slick Willy signed, that too changed all our Industrial Commidoties For foriegners to buy oil stocks, Gas Co. Etc. in the free trade agreement on our Stock exchange. The Demo will deny it now, due to freetrade decaying econ & almost exstinct middle class jobs that pays the GNP of United states.

Sorry Fish you need to take Econ & civics, US. Gov classes again. I'll have to back Bryon on this one, his& mine facts are Historical truth & can be found in the US.Congressional Library. :) keep learning you never stop especially politics & Economics? :) "

Byron W. wrote on Jun 28, 2008 1:29 PM:

" go fish, if you think the person in the White House makes any difference as to the price of oil then you live in a make believe world. If there is manipulation of the oil market it can be done no matter who is in the White House. And more importantly, look at democrats for the problem. They are the ones that have prevented oil exploration in this country for years. That is a big reason for higher costs. There is a legitmate war on terror. It has been going on for years as far back as at least the 1979-80 hostage crisis. Get out of your a make believe world and see reality. It would do you and society both good. "

gofish wrote on Jun 27, 2008 4:27 PM:

" Byron W. wrote "What did I say about living in a make believe world?"

If I believe it, it's not make believe, it's my reality.

You have your own reality, stay out of mine! LOL "

Byron W. wrote on Jun 27, 2008 3:36 PM:

" gofish wrote "Get the oil men out of the White House and things will begin to improve. The price of a barrel of oil and the well timed changes in production are all a huge fabrication.

What did I say about living in a make believe world? "

gofish wrote on Jun 27, 2008 1:52 PM:

" Get the oil men out of the White House and things will begin to improve. The price of a barrel of oil and the well timed changes in production are all a huge fabrication.

Wanna cut down on fuel usages in America, bring the troops home from Iraq. Not too many fuel efficient Humvees and Bradley Fighting Vehicles, or F-18's for that matter. Then put the BILLIONS of dollars spent yearly on this fabricated "War on Terror" back into the economy with mega stimulus checks.

The only Terrorism happening to the US is from OPEC. And we don't even fight them on it. "

JCpatriot wrote on Jun 27, 2008 7:14 AM:

" I agree JCN, Politicians need to rid of NAFTA act is detroying our middle class,and economy. "

JCNewscrasher wrote on Jun 26, 2008 1:45 PM:

" I'm voting for The Family Guy Peter griffin for president.lol

They need to be talking about how to make abundant Gasoline and other alternative fuel & crude oil factories here in USA, build are supplies up past saudi supply index?FFT

Get fuel off the commodities stock exchange, whoever converted that is detroying our ecomony/future? FFT

I would like to see 1.50 gallon at the pumps in my life time?It would be nice if politicans got off there duff and UNITE for the people they represent,instead selling out to there NYSE dividen checks? FFT

Yes, I see there logic behind Nuclear power, will cut down on coal usage & natual gas demand. "


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