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Urban bow hunting broached to Council as deer nuisance starts to grow

Deer can pose a safety concern for drivers and can become a nuisance when they eat urban shrubs and trees, a wildlife biologist notes.

By Kris Hilgedick
khil@newstribune.com
Published: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 3:25 PM CDT
The best way to prevent a deer problem in the city limits may be to expand bow hunting, a Missouri Department of Conservation employee told the Jefferson City Council on Monday night.

Wildlife biologist John George noted deer pose a safety concern for drivers and can become a nuisance when they eat neighbors' shrubs and trees.

“It can be a controversial subject, but I don't think it is in Jefferson City,” he said. “You don't want to get to the point when you have deer lovers and deer haters arguing over a park in town.”

George believes city officials can avoid strained relations between groups by offering a variety of solutions. The one he mentioned the most was bow hunting.

He noted Columbia permits bow hunting - including on parks and other publicly owned areas - with a few rules and caveats. He said Columbia officials ask hunters to park in certain places and they limit the dates of the archery season. They also ask all hunters who use public lands to attend safety meetings.

The Missouri archery season runs from Sept. 15 to Jan. 15, but George said city officials can shorten that period to meet their needs.


Mayor John Landwehr wanted to know: “Do we have a deer problem?”

George replied: “Not the extent Columbia has.”

He noted the first time a homeowner sees a deer, they think it's a fascinating experience. By year six or seven, the novelty has worn off and homeowners tend to perceive deer as a nuisance.

Currently, Jefferson City ordinance limits firearms hunting to 10 acres and bow hunting to five acres. (The land also has be zoned for rural use to be legal.)

George didn't see a problem with allowing owners of any lot size to bow hunt. He didn't think very many people would chose to bow hunt in settings with narrow, small lots and crowded houses, simply because deer don't congregate there.

Fifth Ward Councilman Dan Klindt said some neighbors might fear a felled deer might run into a neighbor's yard, but he finds such fears unfounded. “Deer seek the wood to hide when shot,” he noted.

George said other alternatives to hunting are netting and repellents. But he noted homeowners tire of those methods.

About two years ago, the Parks and Recreation Commission considered allowing bow hunting in parks, but decided against the idea. Director Bill Lockwood suggested the commission would be open to reviewing the topic.

George said it can be difficult to collect data on car accidents; many drivers report their accidents to insurance adjusters, not law enforcement.

“Statistics aren't very reliable,” he conceded.

George sees urban bow hunting as a way to keep deer population numbers in check. “If you can say, ‘We're doing what we can to lower deer problems,' it goes a long way,” he encouraged.

The council agreed to send the topic to their Public Safety Committee for further consideration.



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Mac1974 wrote on May 14, 2008 8:36 PM:

" So much for message board anonymity, gruntled. I can see you now on the 10:00 news scratching your head and trying to explain yourself after a bus-full of children went by your house and saw 42 dead dogs and various other dead carnivorous animals in the front yard.

You're a funny guy. "

gruntled wrote on May 14, 2008 9:44 AM:

" It will cost me $1 per square foot to safeguard my Victory Garden from city deer. And that's if I limit myself to hog panels.

My wife's flowers...are already so much forage. We've yet to see a lily flower on account Bambi and his gang nip the buds before they can bloom.

No urban archery? Fine. Set up a check-off fee somewhere so I can recoup damages caused by the City's deer herd through tax breaks or other method.

Then again, I don't see where poisoning them is prevented. That's a thought. Hmmm... "

ODF wrote on May 13, 2008 9:51 AM:

" I know there'd be some security/logistical issues...but Runge could do so much more with the walking trails. The trails are great, but why not do something like night walks (maybe even torch lit or something). I'm sure the great minds and MDC and their volunteers could come up with a lot of great ideas, but as it stands now, Runge seems to have kind of stagnated. "

ODF wrote on May 13, 2008 9:45 AM:

" Uh-oh...the world is coming to an end...love, missjc and I agree!! LOL!!! Family entertainment would be great! Like love said...Runge is great...but you can only go to Runge or the Katy so often before it starts to get old, especially for the young ones. I would like to see MDC change up Runge on a monthly/quarterly basis. They used to do some music presentations up there, but haven't seen many lately. The "What's Happening" newsletter for Runge seems to be the same stuff every month. MDC could shake things up to make it a family destination if there more diversity or regular changes. "

missjc wrote on May 13, 2008 9:19 AM:

" lovemyboys I agree with you 100% this town needs some "family" entertainment that is for sure, bring things in for our children to do so they are not out running the streets causing trouble, Jefferson City has always been a family town and I love that part of it but they need to bring in for the family to do!! "

lovemyboys wrote on May 13, 2008 9:00 AM:

" I miss Veits as well, but unfortunately, the family wanted to sell, noone wanted to buy, so therefore, it gets taken down and gobbled up by Kolb or Coldwell. I agree ... NO MORE STRIP MALLS! Good grief...put something in different..we don't need anymore Mexican and Chinese restaurants..I think we have plenty. How about a Toys R Us, a Chuck E Cheese, a Bonkers...something for kids (and parents) when the weather is not conducive to outdoor play. Or, a Party Store where you can buy all your party supplies for every occasion. Or a museum of some sort would be nice. Runge is nice, but we've been there a gazillion times and it's the same ole, same ole.. "

missjc wrote on May 13, 2008 8:42 AM:

" It will replace the existing hospital. "

ODF wrote on May 13, 2008 8:19 AM:

" From what I've heard, St. Mary's is looking to build a new hospital along 179. Will this be in addition to the existing hospital or a replacement? If it replaces the old hospital, what will become of the existing St. Mary's site.
love - I don't see where most people's opinions differ from those of yours. Everyone agrees JC needs growth and development, but would like a common sense approach to it and not just more strip malls, etc.. There's good and bad development...and there's overkill on strip malls, pay day loan stores, $ stores, etc.. "

missjc wrote on May 13, 2008 7:42 AM:

" I say bring a Casino in, that will solve ALL of our problems and our city will turn to GOLD!!!! : -) "

unreconstructed wrote on May 12, 2008 3:27 PM:

" Dang-it Boscoe, I agree with you on this one too... what's the world comin' to? :) "

boscoe wrote on May 12, 2008 3:01 PM:

" I miss Veits restaurant everytime I go by there. That ugly dirt and weedy lot is an eyesore on our city. Wish they would have restored veits and kept the restaurant going. Lots of good cheap lunches were eaten there. I remember the bar was "the place" to go in the late '70s and early '80s.

Can't wait for another vacant strip mall to be built there and on Fabick's old lot. Maybe we'll get a payday loan place, a subway, and maybe a Chineese and a Mexican restaurant there. "

lovemyboys wrote on May 12, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Why does everyone gripe when Jeff City develops and then complain that this town is not growing? HELLOOO..that's how it all gets started. Columbia is constantly building...I don't know if there are any trees left inside their city limits but I don't hear all the "shoppers" complaining. I agree that Jeff City needs to develop and put in less strip malls and more things we actually need. Every time I go to Columbia or the Lake, they're building something. And, the Lake is supposed to be a vacation spot...but it's losing it's natural beauty to overpriced condos and greedy real estate! Maybe the deer in Jeff City are coming from the Lake area, huh? "

ODF wrote on May 12, 2008 7:54 AM:

" I agree with Justin and truth. This city needs growth and development. However, this town is only 35,000 people...do it really need to sprawl over 1/2 of the county?? What is wrong with redeveloping existing sites that are empty or already have development going on. "

SirWilliamWitherspoon III wrote on May 9, 2008 9:10 PM:

" I think I once "hurd" a fawn say to it's doe "please don't let me turn into some of that dehydrated venison jerky..." "

truthseeker wrote on May 9, 2008 5:14 PM:

" Justin, I dont think anyone is against real growth and progress. BUT, there are many areas in this town that have been developed or partially developed that sit empty or not completed. (Another example is the Cherry Creek(?)complex behind Johnson Control. I lived in the area at the time that place was approved with a lot of opposition from the neighborhoods surrounding it. City counsel approved it anyways. It, I believe, sits mostly empty now and it was an area that I know for a fact deer used for shelter and food. Growth is good but we need to make sure before we take away their habitat that we are actually going to be using it. I guess what I am saying is thatbetterplanningwouldbegood! "

maxheadroom wrote on May 9, 2008 2:04 PM:

" kc911 agreed we seem to have pushed them to these nuisance areas/neighborhoods epsecially with 1-79 development
Best Buy car dealerships Lowes area in last 10 years "

Justin wrote on May 9, 2008 1:41 PM:

" the deer can be hunted down or moved whereever for all i care. That "natural habitat" needs developed!! This city (if you can even call it that) is going to go no where without new development!!!! "

kc911foryou wrote on May 9, 2008 4:15 AM:

" Truthseeker hit the nail on the head. The city's obsession with development has not only ruined some beautiful landscape, but it has destroyed the habitat these animals need.

There will be many car/deer collisions along Route 179 from W. Edgewood to US HWY 54 as development begins along that stretch of roadway. A huge section of that land is going to be consumed by St. Mary's Hospital. The vultures are laying in wait to develop the rest of that land and finish off that natural habitat.

Almost 8 years ago I thought we had some sense back on the city council. Now I feel they sit around and say: OOps, this land doesn't have anything on it. Better build something. "

Justin wrote on May 8, 2008 9:05 AM:

" ya and see un, i think thats great. Again, i wasnt trying to pinpoint anyone on this neccisarily, i was simply saying, that if your killing them, i hope you are either using the meat or giving it to some of the many people who could. =) "

unreconstructed wrote on May 7, 2008 3:16 PM:

" Justin - as ODF said, the mounting of a deer does not require any meat be lost. I've got four beautiful deer mounts now and it is getting expensive... just ask my wife! We always use the meat, I and most other hunters I would presume don't kill the animal for just the sport of it, we don't believe in wasting the meat. If I could not use it, I would definitely donate it to the "share the harvest" program. "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 2:59 PM:

" Well I'm off to the races (Horse) so you kids enjoy the day. "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 2:57 PM:

" yes your correct I even can have a mistake, but I caught it. "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 2:57 PM:

" Sorry mccrab...I could have sworn I saw "hurd"....my bad. "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 2:54 PM:

" mccrab - I think you mean culling of the HERD!! ...spelling, ya know!! LOL!! "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 2:53 PM:

" culling of the "herd". spelling "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 2:53 PM:

" Sorry for the questions Justin - Our posts crossed in cyberspace. Just a little info about MDC's allowing unlimited killing of does in some counties and use of the meat. Where our farm is, MDC allows for unlimited killing of does. However, we never kill more deer than we, personally, will use (generally 2-3) and occasionally one for our semi-disabled neighbors who can't hunt anymore and are on fixed income, so they welcome the fresh meat. "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 2:52 PM:

" culling of the "hurd". spelling ! "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 2:50 PM:

" Also Justin - Are you a hunter or even familiar with the hunting laws? In many counties in Missouri, MDC allows for unlimited doe harvest. So yes, I can shoot them to be shooting them. However, MDC also has a wanton waste law that will get you in trouble if you shoot them and do not recover the game. MDC believes many areas are overpopulated and therefore allow for unlimited killing of does. Many of those deer will find their way into Share The Harvest and food is donated to food pantries.
"During the 2006 deer seasons, 6,500 hunters donated 322,469 pounds of venison." ...that's 161 TONS of meat donated to food pantries. "

Justin wrote on May 7, 2008 2:48 PM:

" ODF,

Thats true, i dont know the slightest thing about it. I grew up a little to "city" i suppose! =P Either way, again, im not against this so called "culling of the heard" so to speak, as long as the meat is used in someway, and not just left for the sport of it all. "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 2:45 PM:

" Justin - Sounds like you are not familiar with taxidermy. The only part of the deer you see hanging on the wall that is real is the hide and antlers. Everything else is a "form"...the skull, the shoulders, the glass eyes, etc. is ordered from a taxidermy supply company. In a buck mount, the hide may not have come from the same deer as the antlers. "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 2:37 PM:

" sorry heard not herd "

Justin wrote on May 7, 2008 2:34 PM:

" anyway, back to topic,

As a whole, i full agree something needs to be done to control the population. I have to drive down henwick every nite, and im always on high alert. We shouldnt have to fear driving in a populated area b/c of an over population. "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 2:34 PM:

" jcmo5266, and that was about the best explanation Ive herd today!!! "

Justin wrote on May 7, 2008 2:33 PM:

" jcmo,

if you are eating it, then again, thats one thing, but this wasnt just the head of the deer, it was the dam front half of the body!!! Personally, i cant ever see a dead animal as a good decoration, but im not saying that you shouldnt hang the head up, if thats what floats your boat. I am saying, that if you have a room full of deer heads, and your just shooting them to shoot them, then thats a problem! "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 2:32 PM:

" Very good jc!! I have antlers on my wall...don't have any mounts as I don't want to incur the cost or deal with the upkeep. However, I do not hunt anything for sport...I hunt for the meat. If I shoot a nice buck, I will sometimes have the antlers mounted on a wooden plaque to hang on the wall. I have more antlers in the basement than I have on the wall and use them for many things...not just decoration. "

jcmo5266 wrote on May 7, 2008 2:31 PM:

" Now, back onto the topic of encroaching on their habitat. I too agree that with the human population booming as it is, there isn't much natural habitat left for the wildlife. However, I do not see the human race as a whole allowing limitations on who can have children or how many they can have. Therefore, we need to take care of the problems we impose. Hunting is not murder, it is a humane way of thinning the population (and it could feed several needy families). On the other hand, poison is a slow and painful death and their bodies are left to rot, and netting them is a safety issue for the deer and humans. "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 2:30 PM:

" Maddie - "Sensible methods"?? You cannot be serious. Have you followed the deer issues of a little place called Town & Country? They ahve tried all "sensible methods". Netting and relocation resulted in like a 65-70% mortality rate of the relocated deer due starvation & thirst. Repellants only work, until the deer decide what you have in your garden is worth dealing with the "repellant". Deer, in excessive #'s, cannot be repelled. They become accustomed to repellents just like they do humans. "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 2:29 PM:

" I thought the rest of the deer was on the other side of the wall. "

jcmo5266 wrote on May 7, 2008 2:27 PM:

" Justin, just because there was a mount of a deer at Wal-Mart doesn't mean that it was hunted purely for "sport." Those lucky enough to get a big buck while hunting to fill their freezer are going to take pride in their animal and show it off by having it mounted. I hunt for food, but if the "big one" walks in front of my, you better bet that I'm going to pull back and let the arrow fly. Not only will he taste good, but he will look darn good on my wall! "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 2:27 PM:

" Mark - I'd say the same rules/laws apply if I shot a deer in an urban/suburban area as they would in a rural setting. If I shoot a deer and it hops the fence and dies, I ask permission of the adjoining landowner to retrieve my deer where I tag it with my conservation tag. If the landowner says no, it stays there. If you, as a landowner have a valid deer tag there is nothing stopping you from denying access to another person and tagging it yourself. Game laws generally are "possession" laws...whoever has possession of the game better be properly licensed to do so. If you let it lay in your yard and decay...well, that's your problem! "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 2:24 PM:

" If you must know the atrocious spelling here and its Mccrabb, nothing about Canada. People can even use spell check, now back to the forum. "

Justin wrote on May 7, 2008 2:20 PM:

" sorry that should say "as long as people aren't just hunting for the sport". "

Justin wrote on May 7, 2008 2:19 PM:

" ok first off.. Mccrab... what on earth are you babling about in regards to canada???

Secondly, ive got no issue with hunting (its not my thing), as long as people are just jsut hunting for the sport. The other night i was walking through wal-mart and my 6 yr old daughter saw a mounted deer, and was in pure shock that someone would kill a deer just to hang it on the wall. Why is it that it takes a 6 yr old to understand something like that, where an adult cant. "

unreconstructed wrote on May 7, 2008 2:15 PM:

" Hunting isn't murder, Maddie... get real. The deer population has exploded and bow hunting, as long as it is administered safely, is a viable means of control. And, yummm.... it puts meat on the table. "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 2:02 PM:

" Candada 17 up, 21 down

(Candada)The way Americans think Canada is spelt. Do not hold it against them, most of their children have been seriously effected by drugs and alcohol while still in their mother's womb. Officially, there is now a syndrome to describe such an abomination. It is appropriately named fetal alcohol syndrome. Or it must be fantasyland, and I almost had a tear, Not!


"

Maddie343 wrote on May 7, 2008 1:41 PM:

" "George said other alternatives to hunting are netting and repellents. But he noted homeowners tire of those methods."

Yeah, I sure would hate to have those homeowners tire of sensible methods. Surely murder is the solution, then. How can people be so stupid? They think deer are nuisances because they eat people's flowers? To people, flowers are decorations. To deer, flowers are food. If people keep cutting down forests for buildings and parking lots, where do they expect the deer to go, Candada? I can't wait until people actually exercise the natural advantages they have that they think make them better than deer in the first place. "

mark_von wrote on May 7, 2008 1:30 PM:

" Currently, Jefferson City ordinance limits firearms hunting to 10 acres and bow hunting to five acres. (The land also has be zoned for rural use to be legal.)

Looks like its already legal. Whats the problem?

I dont have much of a problem as long as they dont allow hunting to within 200 yards of a subdivision or a structure not owned by the hunter. I dont want it anywhere near my house or my kids.

If someone else kills it and it drops on my property who gets it? "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 12:16 PM:

" truth - Sorry if I mistook that statement. I took it to mean exactly where shot...and you wouldn't believe the number of nonhunters that believe a good, clean shot and kill mean immediate death and the animal never takes another step. "

mccrabb wrote on May 7, 2008 12:00 PM:

" Whats the problem they are dead , end of story! "

truthseeker wrote on May 7, 2008 11:53 AM:

" I did not say they would fall EXACTLY where shot. I meant that they would not always be able to get to the woods as Mr. Klindt said. You are right they usually run several yards before falling. all areas in town where deer are found aren't close enough to "woods" for them to get back to after shot so the thought that some would die in someone else's yard after being hit is totally possibly.
My example was of a spot in town that has been partially developed(thereby taking away some of their roaming area?)It now sits without anything on it but void of the grass etc that the 6 deer that I saw close to there the other night could be eating andfindingshelter. "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 11:35 AM:

" truth - Obviously you have little or no actually hunting experience and none with a bow. Very few animals are felled exactly where they are shot with a firearm. Out of reflex, they will generally run 20-50 yards before dropping. With a bow, unless you hit the spine (which is not a humane shot to take) no deer shot with a bow will drop where you shoot it.
For you folks saying we shouldn't encroach on "their territory"...I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, what are the options...limiting population growth, limiting procreation of the human species, ??? The human population IS expanding...how do you stop encroachment of humans into wild areas? "

aswell wrote on May 7, 2008 11:27 AM:

" (maxheadroom)I probably pay out more for insurance than you can comprehend, its the action I cover for the time my patrons spend on my RV around ctn. Missouri for the tour they take . "

unreconstructed wrote on May 7, 2008 10:51 AM:

" just an FYI - the whitetail deer population is at an all time high I believe, regardless of our encroachment on their habitat. They were almost wiped out back in the 40's and 50's, but have made an incredible comeback. There is probably no other deer species that is more adaptable than the whitetail. And... if we don't hunt them, ultimately more will die. Nature will take care of that, disease, etc. I'm for the bowhunting, if done correctly and safely. Crossbows by the way are currently not legal unless medically necessary to bow hunt, so I'm sure they would not be legal. Beautiful animal, be can be very destructive. "

Apple27 wrote on May 7, 2008 10:48 AM:

" This sounds like a good idea, I just hope they are careful with who is allowed to do this. Having arrows flying through the air not far from where my child plays is pretty scary to me. The deer population has gotten out of control, and something does need to be done about it. I don't agree with poison, I like the idea of donating the meat. Alot of hunters just hunt for the sport so it would be nice if the people who need it could get the meat from allowing this to happen in town. "

lovemyboys wrote on May 7, 2008 10:45 AM:

" I'm not against hunters either...as long as they hunt for food and not for "sport." I also think if you do hunt animals that the death should be quick and as painless for the animal as possible. As for insects, don't think any of them will be on the "endangered" list (at least the ones around here anyway)..there's plenty of mosquitos, ants, etc to go around that if I kill a couple, it's not going to be a detriment to the environment. I have a different feeling for butterflies, bees, etc than I do for mosquitoes and ants, flies (even though I know they all have a purpose)...but you won't see a Veterinarian trying to save an insect. "

lovemyboys wrote on May 7, 2008 10:40 AM:

" Sprint -- I agree about the child molestors -- there should be open season on them (LOL). I don't save insects, I'll be honest, if it's in my house, it's a goner. Outside, I leave it alone unless it's posing a danger to my kids (which is very unusual). I can't stand ants, but I also know that every creature has a purpose. But, we have to be real too...deer do not bother me..they are pretty, but like squirrels, etc, they can be a "nuisance." I agree that we can't expect not to have animals when we are constantly developing every inch of wooded area. I love and respect animals as well, but I'm not above keeping the population down. "

Sprint10h wrote on May 7, 2008 9:42 AM:

" FYI - I don't kill insects, if I find them in the house I take them outside and give them a chance. Also, I didn't say kids are criminals, I am talking about the child molesters, robbers, etc. But, if you think about it they were kids once :). "

truthseeker wrote on May 7, 2008 9:41 AM:

" Deer may try to get to the woods when they are shot but that is not always possible. A good bow hunter will fall them where ever they are shot.
I also hope that the deer at Binder will be left alone. While this is a city park, I consider it more to be a wildlife area(ok, no comments about the other wildlife needed here) and would like for it to remain that as it is the only place around to see deer and all the different waterfowl that come through there. "

truthseeker wrote on May 7, 2008 9:33 AM:

" If we as humans were not continually encroaching on their territory we wouldnt have this problem. Where are they to go when ever inch of green around is "developed"? I have noticed as an example they have increased around the quarry and the "developed" area at Stadium(I believe Schepkers farm?)and the city yard waste place.(saw 6 of them the other night close to 179 and Edgewood) I agree they can be a problem there is also nothing prettier to watch. While they may need to be controlled I ask that it be done sparingly and not by just anyone. I believe people in Columbia have to apply to be able to do it and that only people they find skilled in hunting are allowedoit. "

justaguy wrote on May 7, 2008 9:24 AM:

" Sprint10h wrote on May 7, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Maybe if we addressed the criminals in mid-Missouri like we do the animals, the crime rate would go down. How many neighborhood kids run throught the flowers or tear up the yard?"

I guess you just don't lead 'em as much :)
"

lovemyboys wrote on May 7, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Even the Dept of Conservation agrees that it's not healthy (for humans or the deer) if the deer population gets too large. I'm not saying that I enjoy killing animals, but sometimes it's necessary. If we all didn't eat meat, how much overrun w/cattle, hogs, deer would there be? When God created humans, he gave us dominion over the animals..that doesn't mean we can abuse them, but I never hear animal rights activists defending insects! Aren't they animals? If you are truly an animal rights activitist, ALL animals (insects, spiders, snakes, etc) are to be protected. These animals eat each other too...it's called nature. If bats didn't eat mosquitos, we'd be overrun..nature balances itself out. "

lovemyboys wrote on May 7, 2008 9:18 AM:

" Sprint...you can hardly compare children to criminals! I know that kids are hard on stuff...I have 3 boys. The deer aren't doing anything wrong, they are just surviving...just as any other animal and I know that they are all God's creatures, but I don't want them in my house or my yard.
I don't agree w/poisoning because then they'll die and rot somewhere (maybe even near your home)....it would be better to just kill them and then have someone take them to a meat locker for processing...even donate the food to food pantries, Salvation Army, etc. And, what if another animal (like a dog or cat) gets into the poison instead?
"

Sprint10h wrote on May 7, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Maybe if we addressed the criminals in mid-Missouri like we do the animals, the crime rate would go down. How many neighborhood kids run throught the flowers or tear up the yard? It appears to me that we can't wait to kill a animal around here. "

gofish wrote on May 7, 2008 8:56 AM:

" I say we arm the police with bows and pull them off traffic/revenue duty and send them out on a snipe (er deer) hunt. Think of the REAL public service they'd do. That way, the city would be doing their part instead of expecting the resident/tax payers to solve the problem.

Otherwise, it sounds like a great Saturday night sport...driving around in the pickup truck spotlighting deer in the city limits and serving venison for Sunday lunch. No, I'm not kidding...I can see this happening!

Is it possible to have "deer feeding stations" to encourage deer to find food there instead of the tomato gardens? Or poison them to stop vermin and loose dogs as well? JK "

maxheadroom wrote on May 7, 2008 8:16 AM:

" surely you had insurance aswell, no way it cost you
10,000 , and if you did'nt that was'nt smart "

jcmo5266 wrote on May 7, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Hawk Fan - thanks for the info, I will help pass it on. Well, on topic, I think bow hunting to thin the "urban" (if we can call JC urban) is a great idea. I believe they are a beautiful animal and fascinating to watch, however there are dangers to having a population that is too large. I have seen what a deer can do to a vehicle, even at a reduced speed. I for one say way to go city council for getting a jump on the situation and having an open mind to various solutions. "

HawkFanInMO wrote on May 7, 2008 7:55 AM:

" A little off topic, but there is going to be a 3-D Pop Up Bow shoot on June 20th and 21st at Corticelli Baptist Church - approx 6 miles West of Russellville. "

ODF wrote on May 7, 2008 7:42 AM:

" "...as directed by local authorities." LOL!! Yeah, right. "

LOVEMYBOYS wrote on May 7, 2008 7:40 AM:

" Now, of course, you would have to be especially careful even bow hunting with so many people close together. There are children playing nearby...I think they City would need to specify some very clear rules and I think it should only be the manual bows, not the crossbows allowed. "

LOVEMYBOYS wrote on May 7, 2008 7:38 AM:

" I'm all for the idea of bow hunting in the City limits because we have deer that go through our back yard (and we live in a residential area) on a weekly basis. They eat my tulips (aarggh!) and my neighbor has a small vegetable garden that he has to fence, runs a radio and has even put human hair around to try to keep the rodents (and deer) out of his tomatoes. Nothing has really worked. We saw a doe jump on our concrete patio in the middle of the afternoon and run through the neighborhood...we couldn't believe it! Most of the time, they're only out early morning (when it's still dark).... "

missjc wrote on May 7, 2008 7:08 AM:

" Can we PLEASE get over the CASINO, it did not pass stop being bitter and MOVE ON!!! "

aswell wrote on May 7, 2008 12:00 AM:

" Yes you country bumkins do have a deer problem the last time I clipped one with my rv cost me 10 grand waiting for a game agent and the sick animal flopped for a hour on the hwy. I enjoyed putting a bullet in its head as directed by the local authorities. Good hunting country dwellers! "

mccrabb wrote on May 6, 2008 11:44 PM:

" I hope they thin the herd down to the last one , and lets continue with the modern day rat (geese),tired hosing the guts of the front of my vehicle. "

kc911foryou wrote on May 6, 2008 9:13 PM:

" There is an irony in this article: We are, according to Mr. Lockwood, "open to reviewing" allowing citizens to discharge a DEADLY projectile within the city limits, but we were scared to death to think there might be a riverboat on the north bank of the Missouri River some day. Where is the collective common sense in that?

One of the troubling things about this suggestion is that "we the people" won't even get to vote on the idea of archery hunting in the city, as we did the riverboat.

Deadly projetiles= no vote; riverboat gaming= vote.

Wow. The new council sure is off to a good start. "


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