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Juice bar allowed to reopen

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By Jeff Haldiman
News Tribune

Published: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:13 PM CDT

A juice bar on the western side of Cole County was back in operation this weekend.

Mike Barnard, 50, the owner of Shakel's Secrets, 403 Arden Dr., was allowed to re-open the business following a court hearing Friday afternoon.

According to court records, Barnard's defense attorney, Dan Dodson, made a motion to modify a condition of Barnard's $50,000 bond that prevented him from operating the business. The hearing was held before Associate Circuit Judge Tom Sodergren.

Dodson argued the state had not proven that his client posed a danger to the community and that any concern about conduct of business outside the law was adequately covered by the standard bond condition requiring that his client obey all laws.

Prosecutor Mark Richardson's office opposed any change in the bond, but Sodergren granted Dodson's motion.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said his department will continue to monitor the business.

On March 1, Barnard and three others were arrested after a prostitution sting operation by the sheriff's department.

Barnard was charged with promoting prostitution in the third degree and furnishing intoxicating liquor to a minor. He also owns Golden Touch Jewelers, which sells adult-themed items at the same location.

The three others arrested with Barnard have not yet been charged in this case.


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itsallnuts wrote on Mar 22, 2008 12:35 AM:

" I think that everyone has gotten off topic here. Your sex life is your business. Your religious beliefs are your business. Let's focus in on the business at hand, Shakels. I think it is a little bizarre that this man wants to have his shop there. I don't think that anyone would disagree that this man is not "normal" "

jj wrote on Mar 21, 2008 6:57 PM:

" I agree there is nothing wrong with a novelty shop. That is each person or couples choice. But when the novelty shop is selling more than the items and people are going there for more than the items, like "pleasure". That is when these places need to be shut down and the owner should loose his business license. The owner was promoting prostitution, serving alcohol to minors, and using illegal drugs. He deserves to loose his license, and be convicted. "

Apple27 wrote on Mar 21, 2008 1:27 PM:

" Dale I completly agree with you, but the way I saw everyone jump all over that other lady for admitting to going to shops like this, saying that she was telling very body her sex life, I wasn't going to say it on here. Some people on these message boards can be very closed minded, so just be careful what you say. I couldn't agree with you more, and I commend you and your wife for keeping the spice in your marriage alive. Also for being brave enough to admit it. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Mar 21, 2008 12:14 PM:

" Dale I agree with you on that...never have had a problem with a sex shop been to many but would never step foot in his. What he has is just gross from what the paper reports...who would want to go into his home to buy stuff... "

dalejrbudride wrote on Mar 20, 2008 8:17 PM:

" say what you may, the fact is he is back in business in a residental neighborhood, i personaly do not believe this is right, but that is the problem with our zoning laws in jeff city/ cole county. (please contact your local officials to change this, but i know,, no one will... ) i am 55 my wife of 36 years is 56, we have been to other " sex shops " to purchase various items , and do not mind adding a little " spice to our lives " it does seem though that he is a bit shady, and we would definitely not frequent his business "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Mar 20, 2008 12:24 PM:

" heck we open our door...come on in and sit down...you might get a tract right back...and who knows you might find we have something in common...not everyone pushes really hard "

go_fish wrote on Mar 20, 2008 10:14 AM:

" Citizen-JC: If you don't want your doorbell to ring, post a no tresspassing sign in your front yard, and no soliciation on the front door...then it will be illegal for people to show up on your door pushing a morality that you don't agree with. Or, like most people, just don't answer the door. Just because the bell rings doesn't obligate you to open the door. "

whattheheck wrote on Mar 19, 2008 7:01 PM:

" JC, maybe that's how you feel. And that's o.k.. But the Athiest is pushing their morality on Christian's as well. Every time we turn on the TV or go to school or work and so on. That is just how it is. You can't please everybody. Besides, you don't have to open your door. Right ? "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 19, 2008 12:35 PM:

" newtv wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:29 PM:
" JC citizen ..You just have to pick a fight with everyone."

NOPE, just those who feel that it is ok to push THEIR morality on others.

whattheheck: Actually everytime my doorbell rings and someone is there asking if I have excepted Jesus as my lord and savior, that is pushing morality on me. But, honestly, GOD really has nothing to do with it. I would be saying the same things if it was an Athiest pushing thier morality on others. GOD just seems to be the current "sword of the righteous" in this case. "

whattheheck wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:55 PM:

" newtv, Amen to that "

whattheheck wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:54 PM:

" JC, what are you talking about? What ever happened to freedom of speech. Nobody pushed anything on you. Just because it involves God, all of the sudden it's offending?
Wow "

newtv wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:46 PM:

" and I do believe I know what the founding fathers had in mind. You don't need to teach me about this let me tell you. Penn and Vermont and other states as well had requirements for each member of Legislature before he took his seat to make and subscribe a declaration that " I do believe in God the Creator and Govenor of the universe The rewarder of good and punisher of the wicked" (Faith of our founding fathers San Fransisco Harper and Row 1987) This country has a Godly heritage. "

newtv wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:37 PM:

" People need to know their lives can be changed by Jesus. That they are not too lost or far gone. When He walked on this earth He was called The friend of sinners. I would dearly love to tell these people that Jesus loves them more than they could ever imagine and could turn their lives around. That would be the reason pure and simple. Like a drink of water to a thirsty soul. Everyone needs forgiveness the kindness of a Savior. The best Samaritin in town or the worst of the bunch. "

newtv wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:30 PM:

" JC citizen ..You just have to pick a fight with everyone. I can assure you my motives are right in this and not wrong. This neighborhood has a sex pervert set up shop in their area. He is unfazed that this is a residental area or that a sting shut his business down. . He doesn't care about how humiliated his daughters may be by all this. And you think you need to question what my motives are???? I believe this business could destroy the lives of the women working there or the men who go in there. I also think Mr Barnard has been destroyed. The tracts I would hand out would offer hope. Who doesn't need hope ? "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 18, 2008 2:37 PM:

" newtv -- if you want to picket the business because you don't like it location and want it to move, go right ahead. That is your right. If you want to picket the business because of your religious beliefs, well, that is your right to. But know this, your morality is not the ONLY morality, and every time someone like you pushes their own version of morality on someone else it is wrong and against one of the principles our country was founded on. "

newtv wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:14 PM:

" This man has an ex wife and two daughters in this town. apparently he doesn't care if they are humiliated by this. Would he want his girls to work there or in a place like that???? What a horrible Father . I guess if he doesn't even care about the legacy he leaves his family he wouldn't care about his neighbor hood "

newtv wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:06 PM:

" Oh my gosh I love the idea of Christians being avaliable to hand out tracts and witness to the folks going in and out. They should be there and I for one am ashamed that we haven't been there. For the sake of the people who work and go there. Also for the peace of the area. I am putting out an open call to the other Christians in this town to come out and protest this as much as we are protesting gambling. "

guardman63 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:04 AM:

" I also think that Sheriff White & Deputies are doing a excellent job. Give the CCSD time this wanta be pimp will mess up. His other businesses are getting bad exposure,he will go broke.If he's a real strip club owner & pimp he will move to the big cities. Excuse my last typo errors Use(You)& Letting. "

guardman63 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:56 AM:

" Pimp wanta be, is just taking advantage of poor planning Cole County. Use should blame your County & State elected officals for leeting this happen.
This guy that owns a residential juice bar(strip Club)leads a poor example of a Pimp Gangster.He needs to grow up, move to a Big city and be a real pimp.

"

Apple27 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:43 AM:

" I completly agree with you wife, this is not the right place for such a buisness, but it's like I have said before if JC would allow someone to come in and open a shop in a buisness district it would shut this guy down. I would not want my children to live next door to this either. "

loved wife of PK wrote on Mar 16, 2008 11:20 PM:

" everyone has their points on this subject. ok there are alot of people who shop for toys and pornagraphy but that is not the right place for it think of the kids do you really wont theme asking what is in there cause it is right there in there face. when he turned it into a brothal that was the wrong idea cause those girls maybe promiscuous but now any guy with 20 bucks can catch what ever STD those girls have. "

Apple27 wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:20 AM:

" I feel for the residents in this neighborhood, I don't think I would want a nudie bar by my house either. I do however agree with whoever said, if JC would allow someone to come in that is a respectable person that would run a clean buisness, they would close this man's doors for good. I don't think there is anything wrong with adult toy stores, as long as to people who love and respect each other are enjoying the merchandise. Where I disagree with this place is when he turned it into a nasty flop house for woman to degrade themselves in. "

joytotheworld wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:49 PM:

" No. "

Justice_in_JC wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:12 PM:

" ok, we all admit that Boscoe is an idiot in the circumstances!

Now, He got it passed so He can keep his business open, even after all this! Im still wondering how he was making a living if everyone is SOOO against the place to begin with?

Are their any supporters out there? "

momom123 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:37 AM:

" and allow a store like this to be opened in a buisness district, with a responible owner, they could put this guy out of buisness. Even people who are not respectable citizens do not want to go into the basement of some guys house to buy sensitive merchandise.........next wwua-you spend way to much time texting...half the people on this message board probably did not understand any of what you said! "

momom123 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:34 AM:

" wwua-I see what you are saying, but I think the people who live their are more conserned with their property value. Instead of keeping it focused on what it is they turn it into being about their children, and being afraid of perverts. They need to get together and figure out the best solution for the neighborhood, whether it be privacy fences, or buying the guys property(if he would sell). I don't believe there is anything wrong with this type of store, and I too know alot of upstanding people who shop at them. My husband and I being a couple who do and are not afraid to admit it. Like I have said so many times before if JC would be more open minded "

wwua wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:19 AM:

" My neighbors commit crimes but I can't have them kicked out of the area if they "own"-vs-rent. There r stores I don't shop at but that doesn't mean I wanna "shut 'em down" & so what if I did...other ppl must shop there or it couldn't make money 2 stay open. As a free country, y can't there b a "variety" of stores in JC. If u don't like it don't shop there...I don't. But does going 2 an adult store make one a sick-o? I know MANY professional, community-oriented, church-going ppl who shop at places like that 2 get gag gifts, etc. They'd never admit it in public bc of all the tension but they do shop there or Columbia on occasion. "

wwua wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:09 AM:

" I'm opposed 2 the store, but can't help wonder: Daycare is near but do they let kids run across the street n go 2 adult store? How'd kids know what the store is? There aren't dirty pics being displayed n windows. R ppl afraid a pervert'll kidnap kids? I don't get y ppl r mad. I'd NOT want a Co. by my house either but aren't ppl aware of zoning? So U KNOW when u buy a house that a Walmart might b next door n 4 or 40yrs? As long as everybody respects ea others privacy what's the big deal w having the store there? I suppose EVERYONE has a right 2 be n the area if City zoned it that way 1st. "

momom123 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:03 AM:

" sorry i didnt see it post the first time "

momom123 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:02 AM:

" ndn-thats pretty funny, and not a bad idea, maybe then he would get the point to either move or shut down "

momom123 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:54 AM:

" ndn- that is pretty funny, and not a bad idea. Maybe then he will get the hint to move his buisness, or close. "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:42 AM:

" still say hand out those church flyers trust me his business will go down and he might decide to close his own doors...Nothing like a little religion on your way into a stripclub... "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:09 PM:

" citizen - I realized it wouldn't help these people but I was just wondering exactly how it worked and you answered my questions. Thanks "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:25 PM:

" Example. The existing neighborhood forms an "Association" with the land OWNERS (key here they must OWN the land around there, otherwise their association will not mean diddly) they regulate that Only prior approved businesses can exist on that land. If someone came in and bought land with the purpose of erecting a strip club, the association could stop it and have grounds to sue if one was built. Because the person buying the land would have been informed of the association regulations PRIOR to purchase. Now, this does not help the current situation since he already has the business prior to the forming of an assoc. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:22 PM:

" boxergal you wrote: I noticed one of the realtors in our area that is building has layed out certain subdivison rules so they won't run into this problem. I guess that overrides any laws governing the county? "

No any subdivision "rule" can not OVERIDE a governing law of the state or country. However, when setting up a subdivision or starting a neighborhood "association" you CAN set regulations for NEW development. Regulations that can be binding to anyone buying or building on the property in that subdivison. Regulations that can enforced by lawyers and lawsuit if they are broken.... "

momof1 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:16 PM:

" criminals'? Maybe he should be a candidate! "

momof1 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:16 PM:

" I said from the get-go that they were going to shut him down when the announcement came that he was getting a permit to open his 'juice bar'. He had to know he was under a HUGE microscope from day 1 and that everyone was watching his every move. Why in the world would he engage in illegal activities knowing folks were just out there waiting for one wrong move so they could shut him down? I mean, I'm not brilliant but I at least would have waited a while and kept my nose clean before I started getting into the illegal stuff! Seems like if you're that stupid then maybe you deserve to get shut down. What's that tv show? 'Dumbest "

sumtimesiwundr wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:57 PM:

" Boscoe: You need to think twice before putting down the majority of the state of MO since it's mainly rural country. City or country, either way it's as a COMMUNITY that we have to stand for what we believe in if it's not something we want around. "

sumtimesiwundr wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:54 PM:

" Boscoe:How DARE you degrade/berate the people living in the county areas! Who the heck are YOU to say that folks living in the county/country side get what they deserve by having a nudie bar there!I live in the city and most people in the county are MORE civilized than in the city. More people care about their neighborhoods/kids/property/schools/families.I LOVE working on old cars and only WISH I could afford to live in the country so I COULD have the room to have old cars in my "yard" so I could work on them. Columbia has plenty of nudie bars...do they deserve what they get then? That's a city. Are they not civilized based on what you say? "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:49 PM:

" NDN YOU are too funny. Nothing turns me off more than someone bring a church flyer to my door (if you know what I mean). How funny. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:48 PM:

" How about a huge fence around his whole house? No really, I don't think there is a solution. We put up a huge privacy fence because we have an eyesore two acres away. So life is good. But this that they are dealing with is a little more extreme. I noticed one of the realtors in our area that is building has layed out certain subdivison rules so they won't run into this problem. I guess that overrides any laws governing the county? "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:45 PM:

" Lets see I am sure he probably is reading all of this and thinking we are keeping a forum going that brings this to the forefront daily so it keeps it in the news. Is he really staying that busy?? Lets see you have two churches right up the road from there why not go and ask them to spend a night either a friday or saturday night handing out tracks to each of the people who come and go from there. When people start seeing the church people standing there they will get uncomfortable and decide its time to leave. Why not try it?? Also like the community party with hotdogs and marshmellows... "

momom123 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:21 PM:

" Just this forum alone shows how opposed people are to this buisness being left where it is. This guy is not going to close his doors any time soon(unless made to do so). I like what someone else said about buy him out. If you are not happy with what goes on in your neighborhood, change it or move, those are your only options. I live on what is known as one of the worst streets in Jefferson City. I chose to buy my house there so I will deal with the stuff around it. Honestly I would rather live there than any of the places out on the westside. The cop shop is two blocks from my house, and they come fast when called. "

boscoe wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:22 PM:

" Annexation may not force him to go out of business, but it would prevent another business from opening on the other end of the street.

Annexation would also prevent him from moving his business to Westview Heights, Quail Valley, or any number of other surrounding residential areas.

As far as I am concerned, those unannexed areas are getting what they deserve. They chose not to have the civilized society that the city offers, so they get the nudie bar.

County annexation will never pass due to fireworks, people wanting to keep boats, old cars, etc, on their land, no dog fences, etc. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:58 PM:

" The bottom line is that currently he is running a legal business. Even if that business skirts the "meaning" of the law it is still legal. The police can do nothing but monitor it. The community can band together, which unless I miss my guess, has NOT happened yet other than communal complaining about it. I say try to buy him out, hold a community fundraiser, get donations. I would donate $50 to the cause and I don't even live REMOTELY close to there. the neighborhood has options, they need to organize and exsercise those options. Right now all I hear is people wanting the police to break rules and the advocation of vigilantism. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:54 PM:

" 3. Subject matter - people object to the TYPE of business. Ok, fine, but vigilantism is not the answer. It will only embolden him AND put the law on HIS side, where currently it is NOT.
4. Location - people object to the location. Ok, I do to. I don't like it that close to a long standing daycare center either. I think his choice of location is poor. So, what do you do? Figure out a way to legally get him to close. Legally picket his business, offer to buy him out, petition the county zoning commission to amend zoning rules to exclude adult themed stores. But, getting mad at the cops and legal system for following the law won't work. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:51 PM:

" I keep seeing the same arguements come back to the top. The only problem is no one is offering any solutions that are legal and fair.
1. zoning -- the business is in the county where it is legal. Changing the zoning will NOT get rid of the business because it will get grandfathered in just like every other business out there. Only SPECIFIC zoning rules like "no juice bars/adult themed stores in this area" will get the business moved.
2. Eyesore - signs in yards are legal as long as they maintain size restrictions. Honestly the HUGE autobody shop sign is no more obtrusive than the shackles sign. People object to CONTENT of the sign. That is fine, but not illegal. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:41 AM:

" PS - we also tried suggesting that certain rules apply when living in "highly residential" 5 miles out of the city. People like their county rules, their guns, their low taxes. I do too but when you almost get shot in your own backyard, then you have big problems. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:39 AM:

" whoops, that should have read "we are on acres lots". "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:38 AM:

" Truth - I have the exact same situation in Callaway. Exact. Its a never ending battle. We live in a residential neighborhood with a neighborhood improvement association and the whole nine yards. We are a bit further apart than Arden, as they are acre lots. But we have been told that you can shoot a gun and do basically anything you want in the county. I have fought this tooth and nail. Everything from trying to dig up any kind of neighborhood association rules to asking if they could change laws to where they exempt close residential areas. I hope these people have better luck than we did. "

truthseeker wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:32 AM:

" I agree Boscoe. That is why the county needs to address the issue of zoning NOW! This is a residential area which as I have stated before, common sense tells you that where homes are located this close together there needs to be rules. If the current commissioners cant get this done, remember them at election time. "

boscoe wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:28 AM:

" Advantage of living in the city limits:

Z O N I N G "

truthseeker wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:27 AM:

" rcb you areright on. Using a current example, lets ask Mrs Spitzer and her kids how her husbands' lifestyle has affected them. Does she look proud of him as she stands next to him in the news conference? Does she look happy that her family having to face the world with this news?
As for as the situation here, how would you like to see it everyday. Count the signs in this yard, not one but at least 5 or 6 on the Hwy 50 side of the street. It is so beautiful coming into JC and seeing that(NOT)
There are alot of home based business in this area(his area and Rainbow Dr). His is the ONLY business that has more than 1(maybe 2)signs. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Its been VERY interesting to say the least. We called 911 one time and they sent the Holts Summit police out only to tell us that the Sheriff would have to handle a situation. Well, great, by that time the people had pretty much hidden some things and made up their lies. We don't call 911 anymore, I have the Sheriff's number on hand. But country living can be good. Wonder where the county line is near Arden? "

Peanut wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:12 AM:

" Citizen JC -- I think you're presenting your case very competently. As with many recreational activities in life, it is usually fine as long as it is done in moderation, and is consentual (when it involves another person). "

Peanut wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:04 AM:

" Boxergal -- Ouch. I feel for you, living "between two worlds" like that! "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:59 AM:

" rcb - sure, I totally understand. (kids) "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Heres a good one for you Peanut. I live right down the middle of a city/county property line in Callaway. So......if I need the police, do I go into the kitchen (city) and use the phone to call? Its too funny. I actually pay county taxes so I use their resources. I like it in the county because the taxes are lower and honestly, I trust my Sheriff more. But it sure wouldn't bother me to get annexed in if need be. There are pros and cons and one is things like this and also the fact that some people park junk on their property and there is nothing you can do about it. "

rcb wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:53 AM:

" boxergal-
thanks- the ages don't coincide- Not that I thought it was the same person, but I'm pretty sensitive when it comes to my kids.
JC Citizen- Prostitution and pornography are, by their very nature, demeaning, degrading and victimizing of women. Are you capable of seeing beyond cliches like
"consenting adults" ? IT'S TOXIC. Pornography does mainstream the objectification of women, and there is a correlation between sexual violence and pornography use. I'll save my pity for the broken women and pathetic men who have had lives ruined by this stuff.
"

Peanut wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:47 AM:

" The lack of zoning restrictions in the county allows such a business to operate in this neighborhood. The owner can't be forced to relocate if the current zoning (or lack thereof) allows the business to operate there. Presumably, many people live in the county to avoid "restriction of freedom". This is the flip side of that coin. Would I be upset with an adult store operating next door? You betcha'! That's just part of why I chose to live in the city, where zoning is tighter. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:08 AM:

" And newsreader - I care. Like I have said, we have had the WORST luck our neighborhoods. I hope you can get through this, I know it has to be a big worry. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:06 AM:

" Yes, Dept. of Day Care Licensing. Now let me say, she may be out of business, as she was getting up in age. I can't give out her name. She was off of MO Blvd. last I checked. If you tell me the vacinity of where they go, I will tell you if its her. And again, I am not trying to get off topic, I am discussing licensing. Let me give you a tip, if you ever suspect anything, go to the Division of Day Care Licensing and check the records. I am sorry but we have encountered the strangest thing while living in this area...things out of the norm. "

rcb wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:55 AM:

" boxergirl-
Is there a public record on that someplace? My kids are at a licensed in-home daycare a couple days a week. I want to make sure it's not the same person, or there'll be big trouble. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:54 AM:

" LOL, no, but thank you for the snarky comments. Yes, there is a "bad" element in adult film and entertainment. However, you might be surprised as to the ratio of "abused" vs. "enjoyed" that you find. What I read from your posts is that you think the ratio leans GREATLY on the "abused" side. You might be surprised at what that ratio ACTUALLY is if you looked into it. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:53 AM:

" I am not sniggering, I basically agree with you. But its a little hard to chain down a young male adult. Or female. I don't like it either but I think most go through a stage where they think those places are great. "

rcb wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:50 AM:

" "rcb - you should look into that. I think you might be surprised at what you find. "
Meaning what, exactly? Oh, that I will find that all the strippers, prostitutes and "adult" film and internet performers, were really just earning money for med school, and all went on to productive happy and meaningful lives ? What world do you live in exactly? I can speak about the corrosive effect that this stuff can have on a family and a marriage. I've seen it. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:49 AM:

" no one else would testify. She is now licensed. They said she could keep her license if she was checked on periodically. Sick, huh? Thats why I am asking about this licensing business, its just so unbelievable that someone can keep a license after all of this. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:48 AM:

" No. This is still on topic because it has to do with licensing, so I hope its not pulled. Thats what frustrates me about legalities on business owners. We found out she had a record with the Dept. of Day Care Licensing. They still do records on people that have unlicensed in home day care. I talked to the Dept. Head, looked at the records and barfed. We pulled my son out, she spouted religion to me and I was done with it. Later, another mom and I tried to testify in front of Judge Brown (he wanted to hear it), but no one..... "

rcb wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:40 AM:

" "I took my child to a day care that was not licensed (a bit off here but bear with me), the woman was actually thrown in jail at one time for doing things to kids...."
And you sent your kid there? Am I understanding that right? Please clarify.
"

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:39 AM:

" rcb - you should look into that. I think you might be surprised at what you find. "

rcb wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:37 AM:

" The "sex industry" demeans sex. It turns what should be a sign of commitment between two people, and turns it into a commodity. It demeans and abuses women, and leads men to act like pigs. I'd be willing to bet that 80-90 % of women in the "sex industry" are the victims of abusive boyfriends, from abusive homes, and many times end up as drug addicts or drunks. It's an evil business. Just like narcotics. How many divorces, abused kids, rapes, find their roots in pornography use? Now, you all can snigger at "prudery" and chuckle that boys will be boys, but there is a high social cost that's paid by indulging and accepting this stuff. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:32 AM:

" boxergal - I do not think it is legal to prohibit the health dept. from entering your place of business. You can prohibit the police from entering, but only so long as it takes them to get a warrant. But, don't quote me on the health dept. thing. I don't know the exact wording. "

newsreader08 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Kajn: No use telling people what our problems are in the neighborhood... Since they are not in our shoes they can talk all they want to... just hope something like this happens close to them so they can get a rude awakening of what we are fighting against!! I have no problem with his business it’s the location! Open country let him have a store but not next to a house where we have kids! "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:25 AM:

" Yes, thank you. I guess what I am getting at is this...I took my child to a day care that was not licensed (a bit off here but bear with me), the woman was actually thrown in jail at one time for doing things to kids. The state licensed her only with the provision that they were able to walk in and check the place out at any time. Thats all I was wondering, if there would be an open door policy where the police or health dept. could walk in freely. Daycare licenses are state licenses, so maybe this is different. "

rcb wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:24 AM:

" Momon123-
"I really don't see how someone could be happy with someone as close minded as you."
Kinda...closeminded of you, no? Let me see if I get this. Everyone should be able to do what they like, but if I don't like what you like, I'm "close minded"?
My marriage is great, thanks. In large part because we share certain values and beliefs, and do our best to live up to them.
(It's closed minded, actually. And lewd, not lude. Sorry, but poor spelling drives me nuts. What a horrid meanie I am. No strippers. No spelling errors. What next ! )
"

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Actually, I could care less, my kid went to Columbia to the juice bar at that age. Its natural. But I would only hope he had better taste than to go to a dive. But, hey, who knows, they are kids. With hormones. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:19 AM:

" boxergal - are you asking if the police dept. will keep an eye on the business now that there are infractions/charges against it?

From the article:

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said his department will continue to monitor the business.

So, yeah I would assume so. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:19 AM:

" I am just funning you. And by the way, I think people need to take a more serious look at some of the people in the illustrious, beautiful little burg of JC. Its like a little soap opera. No accusations, just knowledge. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:17 AM:

" OK, question two citizen - So, like in a day care business or any business that has an infraction against them, will they keep an eye on him??? Just curious. Actually, I would like to know about business licenses in JC. What the laws are, etc. Again, curious. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:16 AM:

" boxergal -- I think you should really take a long hard look at your choice of sources. MySpace? Really? I am sure NO ONE lies on myspace.............Not saying that he does not frequent shackels. I am just saying that you are willing to take a profile on myspace as truth. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Citizen JC - I see thank you.. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:14 AM:

" kajn -- you say that the legal system is protecting his rights but NOT protecting yours? Can you please list and explain what Rights YOU are being denied? "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:13 AM:

" Well, well, well.....I have to say this and have to word it right. I don't care much for the hypocracy in JC as I am not from here. Let me say this, I just found a myspace on a kid that stated he likes going to Shakels. Very interesting. Preppy kid, sitting there in his T. Hilfinger shirt. Oh, look, theres a picture of him with his little team mates from school. My, my, I think there probably is more to this than meets the eye. Like dear little JR. goes to this place with his friends. Ha!!!!!!! ONLY IN JC. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:12 AM:

" boxergal the article is pretty clear as to WHY he was allowed to re-open his business. The stipulations of his bond states that he must abide by all laws. He had a legal business before the prostitution and lude conduct charge. So, by him agreeing to post bond and doing so, he agreed to run his business abiding by all laws. The added condition of shutting down his business has no legal grounds and thus was stricken from his bond. Until he is proven guilty on the prostitution charges then he can not be punished by shutting down his business. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Yea, Max, I get that one. But allowing someone to keep a business open? Actually, I think its kind of shrewd cause you can bet they are trying to get him on something. Maybe thats the thinking. And by the way, I don't want people to think I am prude. Whatever you all do is your business, just keep it out of my neck of the woods. You know, its not so much the business but what it drags in. Just like a drug dealer. It all makes me queezy. "

momom123 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:35 AM:

" those lights to her children, it is the same as beer and cigerette lights in a convience store window. Do you take you kids to the gas station, I happen to know there are a few in that neighborhood. Times are changing people, talk to your kids and explain right from wrong at a young age, and tell them there are certain things you are not allowed to do until you are older. One being going to that man's house. "

momom123 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:33 AM:

" rcb-I was not so much trying to put my buisness out there, but to make a point. For my way of life I am not ashamed. I have a strong loving marriage, do you? I really don't see how someone could be happy with someone as close minded as you. There is nothing wrong with this type of store being in buisness. Where this guy was stupid was allowing illegal activity to go on inside what was already a contraverseal (i know i spelled that wrong) buisness. He should be shut down, just because of the fact that he had young disgracful woman in his store performing lude acts for men for pleasure. For the woman who said she did not know how to explain "

maxheadroom wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:24 AM:

" not a lawyer..boxer. but he has not had his day in court yet, innocent till proven guilty ....due process "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:23 AM:

" And would someone with a law degree (please, give me a lawyer, not a wannabee) explain to me why he wasn't closed down. Prostitution is illegal in MO. He was prostituting girls. Please, explain. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Kajn - As a mother, I was touched by your post. Let me just say this, "what goes around comes around". Karma. Trust me, it will come back to bite him soon or later. I worked for 5 long years to fix something in my neighborhood and now the people are broke, living with their parents. People are their worst enemies. They trip themselves up somehow. I heard on the news that drug dealers and people that use prostitutes are totally arrogant and into themselves. (narcissm and if its spelled wrong, blame my prep school, I so don't care). Its so true. You have to have faith that this situation will resolve itself at some point. "

truthseeker wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:43 AM:

" jailbailer said"Maybe I'm prejudiced because i was fortunate enough to get a good education,"

Jailbailer I should always be capitalized! We arent in English class nor do we write for a newspaper so we dont take the time to always write the way you think we should. Whatever.
That however is off subject, what is your opinion of the matter being discussed? "

bubbahotep wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:09 AM:

" boscoe, so true. if it's about the children, build another public high school. Off the subject, but all these comments about the children, using emotion over rational thinking, kills me.
I can explain the difference between his lights and Christmas tree lights. And if those lights are like DORA beckoning them to his business, Spend time with your kids and explain reality from fantasy.I don't think there are people lurking in the dark wathcing your kids. That's your shadow that scares you.
I am a parent and grandparent, sooo I can speak with a modicum of experience. Unless the county does something, or he is convicted, he'll be back. "

boscoe wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:56 PM:

" Blame Jeff City Schools for the poor spelling and grammar. However, we sure can pass a football! "

kajn wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:43 PM:

" Continued...I don’t expect someone like Mike Barnard to understand our frustration; his views are obviously selfish and corrupt. I just think it is very sad that so many resources are being wasted on such a pathetic injustice. To me, it looks as though our laws protect his rights, but not so much mine… "

kajn wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:43 PM:

" Anyone who wants to argue about that should consider putting themselves in the shoes of my family or the other families on this block. We are not unlike many Americans. We work hard for what we have and struggle often to provide for our families. And to whoever commented that kids wouldn’t even know what the place was if the parents didn’t make such a fuss…as a parent it is my job to make a fuss when I feel my children are threatened. And with the flashy lights and colorful signs he may as well have Dora there inviting kids to the door. Why don’t you tell me how to explain the difference between his lights and Christmas lights to my 6 yr old? "

kajn wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:42 PM:

" I don't pretend to have any concrete answers to this ridiculous situation. I understand that our laws state he has the right to run his business (as long as he is abiding by the law). However, it is unfortunate that his right is intruding on my life's work. As a home owner residing just houses away from this unsightly and intrusive establishment my heart breaks to think of how my two largest investments are threatened because of his “right” to operate a business. Not only do I have to sit idly by and watch my property value dwindle down in an already competitive market but I am also now plagued with concern of who could be lurking around the corner watching my children play. Continued "

babdal1999 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:20 PM:

" i was never so happy to hear that he was busted by the police. i can't believe a judge would let him re open his busness. i sure hope this judge wasn't voted in by the people of that area. and i do believe the acts were not stripping that he was busted for. innocese till prove guitly please. there other place for a busniness like that.. he needs to take it some where there;s no child around. and those kind of places bring sick people around. and the children are at risk. shame on this man shame on the judge and shame on the people who support this kind of busniness. just a tax payer and voters thoughts "

BOXERGAL wrote on Mar 11, 2008 8:42 PM:

" I spelled volatile wrong, sorry. I am not in here for a spelling bee. Whats even more disturbing in reading some of these forums, is how people condone things like this in neighborhoods. And even more than that, I feel like I am talking to people that may go there. I am sorry, its almost creepy. "

jailbailer1 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 7:13 PM:

" Are there any English teachers reading these forums? I have a hard time taking comments for real when they're so full of spelling and grammatical errors on every single subject. Maybe I'm prejudiced because i was fortunate enough to get a good education, but about 98% of the comments are grammatically incorrect and full of spelling and punctuation errors. I think this is one of the main reasons people don't understand the issues. They don't have primary understanding of their native tongue. "

Inquizitive wrote on Mar 11, 2008 6:28 PM:

" I think to many people in this area are arguing the wrong point. Yes where this business is at isn't very appropriate. Yes if he was involved with illegal activities he should be punished but until he is convicted he is still innocent. I think that Jefferson City wants to keep such a holier than holy appearance that they won't allow this type of business in the parts of town where it could be better watched without worrying about residential problems. There are places in this town that most people don't care to go through during the day let alone the night but you don't hear people screaming to shut it down. Sauget area isn't an argument since you have to factor in factories. "

bubbahotep wrote on Mar 11, 2008 5:44 PM:

" I love personal barbs. It is easy for me to say, omygoodness.
As far as being scared. PLEASE, I've been to some places in this world much more dangerous than that. As a matter of fact I'm in that area on a regular basis. There is no place in this town I have not been in at night. You don't know me so don't presume or assume. Until he is finally adjudicated in a court of law, not a trial in the media, he is free on bond. Not guilty, yet. You don't have to like it, deal with it. Get a new horse, this one has had enough. PETA might threaten us.
"

dalejrbudride wrote on Mar 11, 2008 5:36 PM:

" come on people. . we are getting off the subject, we are talking about those " Bad guns"..which has absolutely nothing to do with this case, and binder park ( a well known homosexual hang-out). the fact is he is back in business..., business as usual, and raking in the money to pay his fines !!!.. back to the problem please,,, "

boxergal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM:

" rcb - they do patrol. Somewhat. My husband is an avid fisherman and on colder days will take his boat out there. He was approached one time by a guy. There is one toothless idiot (no comments) that sits out there day in and day out. Poor soul, I am not sure who would want him anyway. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 4:59 PM:

" rcb -- unless you fish at night at binder lake then you will probably never see anything dealing with the "meetings". And the police do patrol the park at night because of this. "

go_fish wrote on Mar 11, 2008 4:43 PM:

" I agree Boscoe, if the prudes don't like the guy or his customers then don't be a customer. It's been interesting though to see the leftists saying leave the guy alone, the "moral majority" saying banish him and his business, and the centrists who say so what about the business, just move it out of the family neighborhood. Even if this business is closed, trust me, another will show up to fill the "void", no pun intended. Hopefully in an area designated for commercial business instead of a "home based" business. "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 4:37 PM:

" Well, then someone needs to start enforcing the laws at Binder Lake Park- if there's inapropriate and illegal behavior going on there. If people are simply meeting- and then going to their own residences, or "getting a room", I'd find it distasteful, but as long as consenting adults are involved, so be it. But for heavens sake I should be able to go fishing with my sons,and if they (or I) need to use the facilities, I shouldn't have to worry about someone having a Larry Craig interlude in the next stall. That's not "prudery". Or if it is, so what? Keep what's private private. If it's public, it's fair game. "

boscoe wrote on Mar 11, 2008 4:25 PM:

" Dang, the prudes in this town are so UPTIGHT. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 3:35 PM:

" Well, gee, I didn't know that (kidding). I know it too as we go out there and its quite obvious. All I am saying is, what if this kook is pulling in other kooks by advertising on the net, thats all. And like my husband always says, trash attracts trash. Sorry but its true. I feel so badly for these people. I am not one to go to rallys and yell or scream but if someone in my neighborhood is bringing my prop. value down and bringing in scuzz, then count me in for doing all I can to put an end to it. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 2:53 PM:

" boxergal -- binder lake park has been long known as a "meeting place" for homosexuals. The cops know about it, Jefferson City knows about it, ALOT of people know about it. It really is not be big of a secret. It has been that way for a LONG time. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 2:49 PM:

" Did you all know (and again, not judging)..that there is a website for gay men that lists Binder Park as a meeting place? You don't know what this kook may have put on the internet. You have a volitile situation any way you look at it. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 2:47 PM:

" Hey, RCB, I so agree. You are talking to someone that lives in a middle to upper class neighborhood that just last week had to call the Sheriff because someone was screaming in front of my home and then proceeded to unload their 45 four rounds. Unreal. Do you all have a clue what this guy might bring in? Have you ever lived in a community where you have had to deal with any of this? I have, and I will NOT put up with it. I just shudder to think what walks through that guys front door. "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 2:44 PM:

" You had the option of walking away from speech and conduct you found offensive. The people on that street don't.
For your other point, any maladjusted loser can be "dangerous" (look at V-Tech, or NIU), we were talking about a public demonstration, where in all liklihood ( and if we're talking about the Columbia thing- with CERTAINTY) law enforcement and opposing demonstrators far outnumbered the Nazis. And if you lose any sleep over them achieving any of their political "goals" you need to relax.
I still don't see how publically identifying the names of patrons is some horrific violation of privacy. Especially if some moralizing upstanding citizen (like, say ME)is saying one thing and doing the opposite. Spitzer them! I'd deserve it. "

truthseeker wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:48 PM:

" Look how long the houses that are for sale on this street have been on the market. I know the housing market is not what it was a couple of years ago but I dont think that is why these houses arent selling. That area used to be a much sought after area. Houses would sell so fast you couldnt get a real estate agent to show one before it was gone. So I would say that probably someone trying to sell a house and not being able to is being hurt. Maybe a real estate agent could comment on what their clients are telling them when they mention a house on this street(area) "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:48 PM:

" Just to clarify, I did not Make a Stand, when concerning the Racists. I was caught up in it as I was trying to get to class. I was an innocent bystander until I was thrust into the middle of it. And if you think the skin heads and neo-nazis are NOT dangerous, then you may be making a deadly mistake in underestimating them. Also, I have not read anywhere on this thread, where someone has offered up "picketing" the business. Only, that people group infront of it and take pictures of the patrons and illegally post their personal information publicly in an attempt to shame them. If you feel the need to legally picket the business go right ahead. That is the LEGAL "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Speech is free, but not free of consequences.
If my plumber dresses up in a bedsheet on the weekends, and burns crosses, I want to know. So he won't be my plumber anymore. If my dentist hangs out at the local strip parlor (not that I think he does), and that strip parlor is a public nusiance, I want to know. So picket. Take pictures, get names. Anyone who goes there and has a business, boycott that business and let the owner know why. All legal. And, who knows, the guy might crawl back under his rock and get out of town. But don't shrug and do nothing. In the meantime, I need to work on that pig farm for JC's neighborhood. "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:39 PM:

" JC Citizen- While marching in the streets against ineffectual losers wearing Sgt. Schultz outfits may have made you feel good about yourself, all you accomplished is making them feel significant.
You'd be in more danger wearing a Broncos jersey at a Chiefs game. Who is harmed by the strip joint? Well, anyone who owns property on that street, for one. How would you like to run that Day Care Center? How much business or potential business have they lost? It seems obvious that prostitution is at least a possibility there. You did seem to be saying that you'd oppose action. How is picketing this business any different then your brave stand against Gruppenfuhrer Goofball and his merry men? "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:16 PM:

" And I HAVE had my personal views tested on a very REAL scale. Ever had a run in with any KKK youth, Neo-Nazis or KKK rallies? I have and it was not easy to stand there and let them spout their hate speech at me while I do nothing. But, it is their RIGHT to do so and since they did not break the law I could do nothing against them. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:14 PM:

" rcb I NEVER said take NO action. I only said to do it LEGALLY. Please show me where I said to take NOT action at all? My only point originally was against Vigilantism on the part of the neighborhood. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:13 PM:

" rcb how can this store be "damaging" anyone? It is a private business, he is not out there with a gun FORCING people to come inside. It is the "FORCING" bit you are ignoring when talking about extortion. He is not FORCING anyone to do ANYTHING. He is not even SAYING "give me money to close down or I will never close down". That was MY idea, to OFFER him cash to close up shop. I only stated that he MIGHT be continuing with the stripping because of SPITE. Since in an earlier article he was quoted as saying when he reopened he would NOT continue the striping. But, NOW he apparently is. Probably because of SPITE. "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:10 PM:

" Based on what you said earlier, it would be wrong to take any action to shut the guy down. Would not organizing the neighborhood to buy him out, not be just another example of "vigilantism"? Since action to disrupt a legal activity is, I gather, your definition? "

go_fish wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:06 PM:

" McDonald's eh? Beware the suspicious man in the clown suit luring innocent children into his house by befriending the parents and handing out balloons. Beware the "Happy Meal" with it's free toys, put there to groom children into coming back to his house. Before Michael Jackson even built Neverland, there was RONALD! "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Citizen JC.If McDonald's was operating maliciously, and said, in effect " pay me or I'll continue to damage you",it would be extortion. If it's SPITE that motivates him,then how is it that" He is doing so to make money". Not if he's running a loss. Economics is rational. "Spite" is not rational- not if it's costing you money-unless you've got more resources then this guy has. I'd LOVE to see your theoretical, absolutist understanding of the First Amendment get put to a real world test in your life. It's a real shame that what was intended to protect free and open debate from government repression has been twisted to enshrine nude dancing as protected "speech",while stifiling meaningful political speech. (Campaign Finance Limits) "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:42 PM:

" rcb -- 1. why would he continue to run the business if it is all about the money? SPITE, because people are trying to maneuver and shut him down, even though he is not breaking the law (anymore).
2. Extortion? No, not really. He is running a legal business. He is doing so to make money. He is operating said business in a legal place. If he was offered a goodly sum for his business place, that is real estate NOT extortion. There is no law against running a business at a loss. Nor is it extortion to do so. I don't like McDonalds, I find there food disgusting and harmful. Is it extortion that they won't close up shop? "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:36 PM:

" rcb -- you are correct, I WOULD grin and bear it. Because free speech is just that. While I may not like what you have to say, and I may oppose it with every ounce of my being, I DO support your right to say it. Now, if you break the law while using your free speech right, then I have recourse. But, that is the thing about free speech. If it is legislated it really is not free. "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Citizen JC-
You're contradicting yourself.
If it's "all about money" for this schmuck, then why would he run things at a loss? And if it's about being a jerk, then offering to buy him out, even at well over fair market value, would be pointless. Not to mention, it's extortion. "Pay me, or I make your life miserable". We do have laws on the books on that, don't we? "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:22 PM:

" GoBuckeyes- No, we were still cleaning up after our craptacular opening against App State.
But hey. We won our bowl game against Florida. How'd you all do? :)

"

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:16 PM:

" Citizen JC-
I do have sympathy for someone who's got at least a semi-legitimate claim " I'm just trying to make a living". So, if he's just doing it to make the neighbors miserable, that makes making HIM and his patrons miserable even more justifiable.
As far as "nothing can stop what's legal", I wonder how you'd react if someone put a hog farm next door. Or if some nut started flying a huge Nazi flag on a 30 foot pole outside his house, and played a medley of SS marching tunes on a speaker at sunrise,noon and sundown. Legal? Yes. Protected political speech even. And by your standards, you'd need to just grin and bear it. "

GoBuckeyes wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:14 PM:

" RCB-better check yourself. I didn't see the "magnificent wolverines" in the BCS game this year... ;) "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:05 PM:

" rcb: does it really matter how much business he does? As long as he is not breaking the law you can't stop him. And believe me, at this point he is doing this SPECIFICALLY to irritate the city and the neighbors and everyone that is frothing at the mouth about him. He would probably run that business at a loss for better reason than to tick everyone off. Has the "community" around the establishment ever thought about buying him out? It is obvious he is motivated by money, and it is obvious that he can do that LEGALLY. So, appeal to his wants and buy him out. Bulldoze the land and make it a neighborhood park. Talk about poeticjustice. "

Jclocal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:03 PM:

" This guy isnt doing that great financially. Take a quick look at case.net and he has quite a few credit judgements against him. He is just scraping by for now, it wont be long and he will be outta business guys. "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:57 AM:

" How much business is he really doing? How much traffic ?
Oh, and "GoBuckeyes", thanks for confirming all my preconceived notions about Ohio State. I think they may offer a major in exotic dancing.
GO BLUE !
There, now anyone who knows me, knows who I am :)
It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:55 AM:

" God, times are tough. Would they consider a 55 year old woman that needs a breast lift? "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:54 AM:

" if I didn't know about this kerfluffle, I'dve never realized what the place was. It's DINKY. I've seen garden sheds with more square footage. With the legal bills, and ( one hopes) insurance costs, and whatever he's paying the poor idiot girls he's "hired". What kind of profit can he be making? That's the other thing that gets me. To CHOOSE that business- when you can make more money in a legitimate field of commerce.
The guy is not right. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:53 AM:

" Whats a "model"? OOHHHHH, you mean like Victoria's Secret? Right. "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:

" momom123-
More information then I need to know, thanks. I could care less about what you and your husband do privately. That's the great thing about the internet. I can go on Amazon, and get whatever books I like. You can go to.. I dunno, wherever it is that you go, and get whatever stuff floats your boat. IT'S PRIVATE. Making it PUBLIC, means that all the rest of us have to deal with the broader effects of your private conduct. The thing I don't get is- how can this guy be making money? I mean really? You can get whatever smut/"marital aid" garbage you want on-line. Probably cheaper. I've driven by the place ( ON THE HIGHWAY !) "

GoBuckeyes wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:48 AM:

" hahaha newsreader08, that's hilarious. I was jogging by his "store" one day and he asked if I wanted to be one of his models, because they make up to 600 bucks a night (but at that time he told me that "business is slow"). I was like AHHH!! and jogged back up the hill. Dang it, I can't believe I passed up an opportunity like that "

newsreader08 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Citizen-JC: his store is looking for modesl AGAIN!! He was putting the sign out yesterday and i think that is WRONG!!
"

momom123 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:35 AM:

" JC I agree with you on that,I can see what your saying, I just think if this guy was gross enough to peddle prostitution out of his house. I don't know about you, but I don't think I would be buying any merchandise of the sensitive nature from him. You know the packaging to these products are easy open so that people can feel them before they buy, so who's to say they haven't been used....now that is just disturbing. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:33 AM:

" citizen JC is right...just don't publish anything. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:29 AM:

" I think the difference is you need to have Mr. White handle this. Our police wanted to handle our problem and he just suggested that. But, like I said, it verged on illegal. "

boxergal wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:25 AM:

" ummmm, not to butt in but we were told my our local police to take number license numbers of a person that was causing problems in our area. We also have taken cell phone pics. This is a little different circumstance because they were on the verge of breaking the law but I think in this free world you can do what you want. And I respect anyone that takes back their neighborhood, I know we have and are glad of it. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:20 AM:

" rcb -- you are 100% correct, as long as that "pressure" stays legal. But, as has already been stated. Taking pictures won't stop it because the patrons probably don't care if others know they go there. And I would be VERY careful about publishing names and personal information about said patrons. Who ever does it may just find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:16 AM:

" newsreader08 -- I have driven by the store. I have never entered said establishment. Sorry, should have been more clear on that point. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:15 AM:

" momom123 -- I agree with you right up to the shutdown part. Only if the punishment for the violation is to shut the business down. But the punishment must fit the crime. If the standard punishment is a fine and jail time then fine. But the business itself operates without the strippers. So, to allow it to re-open without them seems reasonable. If the punishment is revocation of business license then so be it. What I am NOT for is kneejerk punishment and over zealous punishment due to the "emotional" nature of the business. "

momom123 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:15 AM:

" than you is wrong. Have you ever heard of defermation of character? You may be finding yourself in court with this guy. "

momom123 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:13 AM:

" For the comment about taking down customer's plate numbers and embarrasing them personally, that is just wrong and not the way to solve anything. I have not personally been to this shop, but I have been curious about it a couple of times. My husband and I who have been happily married for 10 years are loyal shoppers of The Ole Un and Eclectics, and other shops in the St. Louis area. There is nothing wrong with a person wanting to experiment with or even expand their knowledge of sexual pleasure. The only thing wrong with this place is that he chose to take it to an illegal level. Talking about ruining someone's public image just because they enjoy a different kind of pleasure.... "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:04 AM:

" Citizen JC, sorry, but that's pompous claptrap. I haven't heard anyone advocate breaking the law to force this turkey out of business. What I have heard, and what I also advocate, is people standing up to take ownership of their own community. It's Greg White's job to enforce the law. It's the responsibility of ordinary citizens to determine what the standards of the community are, and to, legally and through social pressure,promote and enforce those standards. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right, or desireable, and the people of this community have every right (within the bounds of law)to make this guy and his business unwelcome and econmically unviable. "

newsreader08 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:01 AM:

" Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:40 AM:
" I have been by that store, there are no strippers hanging out of the windows, there is no nudy posters posted in the yard.

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:26 AM:
" Have I ever gone there? No."

Which one is true JC?? "

rcb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:29 AM:

" "hardtime"- stick your anti-Catholic bigotry in your... ear. That irrelevent and vile comment says a heck of a lot more about you then about any church, this town, or this issue.
Now that THAT's been said-
"Adult" businesses are cancerous. They victimize women, damage a community's image, and destroy property values.Drive down Illinois RTE 3 through East St. Louis, Sauget and other scenic spots if you doubt that. I somehow doubt that the clientle of this place CAN be publicaly shamed, but it's worth a shot. Get out there,videotape, get license numbers and make names public. "

momom123 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:28 AM:

" JC I agree with you to an extent. Children would know about what went on here, it is all over the news and in the papers. I don't know about your children, but mine is very perceptive, he knows how to read and he knows how to turn on the TV, that is enough to get all the info he needs. I do understand your point of view about not seeing him putting up poster and help wanted adds for strippers. Though he may not be advertising, he did violate the law by allowing under age girls to get drunk and perform a sexual act within his esablishment. For this he should be shut down. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:26 AM:

" jackofalltrades -- you stand out there and take pictures of the patrons then you WILL see me there. For no better reason than in OPPOSITION of your vigilantism. I did not even know that place existed until reading it in the paper. Have I ever gone there? No. Do I think it is a good place for such a business? No. Do I respect the LAW that says he can be there? YES. Do I respect his free speech enough to allow him to be there? YES. Right up to the point where he breaks that law.
"

jackofalltrades wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:19 AM:

" citiizen jc sounds like a patron that wants to protect his buisness, no citizen with common sense would want a slime ball like this guy to have a buisness here in town
this guy has three kids one 22 one 20 and one 18 and he names the buisnees after his girls , he's not right "

GoBuckeyes wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:14 AM:

" Dang it, and I was so excited to not have to see his "models" go to work anymore... "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:44 AM:

" ohmygoodness, if there are drug deals going on OUTSIDE the establishment, then I am pretty sure the police would have added that to their charges. But, I read nothing about drug dealing on the grounds. Did I miss something? Or did you just see 2 guys outside standing a car talking? "

mccrabb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:42 AM:

" Citizen-JC My god someone that make sense and understands. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:40 AM:

" I have been by that store, there are no strippers hanging out of the windows, there is no nudy posters posted in the yard. There is not even a "suggestive" sign. The windows are blacked out, and there is a letter billboard advertising what it is. Infact if you took away the billboard, you would never know what goes on in there. A danger to the community? "But, WHAT about the children!!!!". Those kids probably would not even know what goes on there if the parents had not made such a fuss about it. You don't like the business there? fine, affect change in the system, but do it legally. Vigilante justice will only bolden him. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:37 AM:

" Ok, I can understand why people may not want this business in their neighborhood. And I encourage the community of the area to LEGALLY pursue change. HOWEVER, everyone that is calling for jail time, and ranting and raving about this business being open again is an injustice should go read up on the legal code. As for voting for the judge? I ABSOLUTELY will vote for that judge, because he did his job and upheld the LAW. This guy did something illegal, or atleast he is accused of doing something illegal. He will be tried by his peers for it. That is the LAW. His business is NOT a danger to society. "

mccrabb wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:18 AM:

" Annexation would be one way to handle it.(Not),he's grandfathered in ,read Missouri law .Only way would be is if his property was bought out by the city ,you me and and everybody's tax dollars of a fair offer and a place he his counsel and city could agree on . "

bgddy1 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 8:54 AM:

" dalejrbudride, you make an excellent point. The pictures I saw of ths guy he didn't exactly look like he was starving. So, someone's fine-upstanding-citizen neighbor is giving him money.Boscoe, you're right too - Annexation would be one way to handle it. Bubbahoetep, you make a good point. I may have missed it, but I don't remember any mention of kiddie stuff. So, I doubt the day care centers in that area are in THAT much danger. Ruler, are you so naive as to believe people from KC & STL haven't seen much worse???? "

hardtime wrote on Mar 11, 2008 8:53 AM:

" This is typical Jeff city. Any time some one does something you can’t talk about in church on Sunday then it’s a sin and a danger to the community, it must be shut down. But the reality is, more little kids have been victimized with-in the wall of the Catholic Church then any juice bar. Yet you don’t have good old Greg running around trying to shut them down. "

omygoodness wrote on Mar 11, 2008 8:16 AM:

" easy for you to say bubbahoetep , you do not live by this place , you would be afraid
to walk out of your house at night if you saw what walked in and out , not to mention
drug deals that go on out side, Bubba due sprocess and the sherrifs office have their hands tied on this , "

momom123 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 7:48 AM:

" I knew this would happen, he man has one hell of an attorney. Court is not about right and wrong it is about who's lawyer can argue better. Who wants to bet this guy gets off scott free? I agree about the casino, but I also believe that if Jefferson City was not so old fashioned and nieve, this man would have to buisness here because we could have respectable people running a buisness like this in a buisness district. Also whoever said the daycare thing was just an exageration of emotions is exactly right. "

bubbahotep wrote on Mar 11, 2008 3:33 AM:

" While I think this is a cheesy place, a threat to the daycare? Another emotional leap. What about fire codes, health codes? These calls for "neighborhood justice". Is this another name for vigilantism? Be very careful with this talk. You could become the criminal. Let Greg White take care of law and order. Protect your home, your castle, your family, in Your yard. "

turk wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:45 AM:

" Ruler,your outrage is understandable. But the judge had no choice but to grant the motion.

Our illustrious prosecutor opposed the motion but failed to submit any evidence (including any of the arguments raised by Ruler) to support a judge's finding that the defendant posed a danger to socieity.

Richardson is incompetent. His office has not won a single jury trial against a private attorney. They often lose to the Public Defender. We deserve better. "

ruler wrote on Mar 11, 2008 12:18 AM:

" What is this?? "The state had not proven that his client posed a danger to the community"? Are the kids that go to the daycare part of the community? Are the people that goes to the churches not part of the community?? How about the people that come from Kansas City or outside of Jefferson City and see this piece of (well you know what I was going to say) sitting along our highway? And here we are worried about a Casino coming to town?? Ok court system which way are you leaning? You for the adult store or the casino?? Curious minds are wondering? Hate to say it but I am for the casino at least that will provide legal jobs "

boxergal wrote on Mar 10, 2008 10:32 PM:

" mccrabb is right....Dan Dodson is excellent at what he does. Can you all contact the media and keep doing reports on this? And I don't mean local media. I just think this is going to turn into a really bad situation before its over. I think tempers might flare too badly. I know mine would. "

mccrabb wrote on Mar 10, 2008 10:02 PM:

" Haven't you people herd of (due process of law) if you have not look it up in Webster's, if his Council is as good as I've seen things might be the same for a long time, and he is grandfathered in so no zoning could make him change location. "

newsreader08 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 9:38 PM:

" Guess which judge is not getting my vote even if an eight year old ran against him!!!
We the Neighbours SHOULD have a photo taking event out close to his place 2-3 hours a night!! i would give my time for that.. anyone else intrested?? maybe we can get the news out and do that!! "

jackofalltrades wrote on Mar 10, 2008 8:30 PM:

" bada bing "

jbuffett02 wrote on Mar 10, 2008 6:59 PM:

" I can feel for the neighbors to this establishment. I've been forced to live next to a smelly and noisy dog kennel in Centertown for several years now; all because of the lack of zoning. What's the county and our commissioners waiting on? "

J C Native wrote on Mar 10, 2008 6:53 PM:

" I don't even believe this one! Too bad after all the excellent work of our law enforcement officials that this happened; there has got to be something that I just don't understand. Very unfortunate! I feel so sorry for the people in the neighborhood, too. "

dalejrbudride wrote on Mar 10, 2008 6:50 PM:

" never been there, never will go, but i do believe he has been in business for at least a year.. he does not look like he is starving, so i guess he is making a comfortable living.. just facts !! people in our community are supporting him and his business..look around in church next sunday !! "

"

boscoe wrote on Mar 10, 2008 5:49 PM:

" If I were him, I'd find a different place to do business.

If I were a neighbor, I'd petition for annexation. "

willows wrote on Mar 10, 2008 5:23 PM:

" i wonder if this business would have been allowed to re-open if it was located across the street from this judge!!!!! "

Justin wrote on Mar 10, 2008 4:43 PM:

" He'll mess up again sooner or later. and hopefully, the fine officers of JC, will be there to catch him when he does! "

Abomb wrote on Mar 10, 2008 4:21 PM:

" I didn't see that one coming. "

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