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City, police apologize for raid at wrong house
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By Jeff Haldiman
jhaldiman@newstribune.com
City officials and the Jefferson City Police Department are apologizing following an incident where officers mistakenly entered a residence where they thought illegal narcotics were kept.
According to information from the police department, their SWAT team was going to perform a raid on a residence in the 700 block of Shawn Drive around 1:19 a.m. on Feb. 11.
“An address was given to them and they were attempting to verify the address using pictures which they had received from the county assessor's GIS system,” said City Attorney Nathan Nickolaus. “Unfortunately, there was a mistake in that the wrong picture was shown for the address. So they went with the picture and ended up raiding the wrong house.
“Very rarely has this happened,” he said. We take every effort to avoid situations like this, but you can never be 100 percent perfect.”
Nickolaus said the city is facing no legal action that he's aware of because of the incident.
“We admit we made a mistake and fortunately no one was hurt,” said Police Chief Roger Schroeder. “Officers did break out a pane of glass during this incident and we repaired that and cleaned carpet where debris was scattered. The residents have been gracious and we appreciate their understanding.”
“We do critique these events and there are plans in the works to prevent these type of mistakes from happening again.”
The residents who live where this incident occurred declined to comment.
According to information from the police department, their SWAT team was going to perform a raid on a residence in the 700 block of Shawn Drive around 1:19 a.m. on Feb. 11.
“An address was given to them and they were attempting to verify the address using pictures which they had received from the county assessor's GIS system,” said City Attorney Nathan Nickolaus. “Unfortunately, there was a mistake in that the wrong picture was shown for the address. So they went with the picture and ended up raiding the wrong house.
“Very rarely has this happened,” he said. We take every effort to avoid situations like this, but you can never be 100 percent perfect.”
Nickolaus said the city is facing no legal action that he's aware of because of the incident.
“We admit we made a mistake and fortunately no one was hurt,” said Police Chief Roger Schroeder. “Officers did break out a pane of glass during this incident and we repaired that and cleaned carpet where debris was scattered. The residents have been gracious and we appreciate their understanding.”
“We do critique these events and there are plans in the works to prevent these type of mistakes from happening again.”
The residents who live where this incident occurred declined to comment.
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boxergal wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:54 AM: " Nope, don't live in lala. Just saying what a lot of people do sue for, thats why I did it. Honestly, probably wasn't worth the grief. Only did it once. I could have sued for malpractice (mother) but didn't, again, didn't want to relive it. I am aware of malpractice and people that sue to get money. Have relatives that are doctors. Money makes the world go round for a lot of people. As for me, give me some peace and quiet and stay off of my land and out of my business. But you are right. " royalflush wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:26 AM: " hey boxer if you think people sue to teach others lessons
primarily , boy you are living in la la land , it's about the Color of Money , why do you think doctors malpractice insurance is so high , why do you think we all carry liabilty insurance? simple answer because people want your money , for nothing " boxergal wrote on Feb 28, 2008 11:04 AM: " May I ask you something OHmy...if this happened to your daughter or wife and you got no satisfaction from the police dept. (or maybe you are with the police), just what would you do? Suffer with it? Watch as she had nightmares and a fear of someone entering her home? Possibly looking at every police officer with distrust? Or looking at every odd looking neighbor thinking they are drug dealers? I want to know how you would solve this issue, please tell me. " boxergal wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:58 AM: " PS - LOTS of lawyers take contigency suits OHmy... Mine did. Good lawyer, nice guy. He made virtually nothing on it. Again, not about money. " boxergal wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:55 AM: " Ohmy...do you have a psychology degree??? I would love to know. Lawsuits are not about money all of the time. They are about your rights. I don't care if anyone sues, its not money in my pocket but what is it about this city that makes people think you should sit back on your honches and do nothing? I wasn't raised like that. " boxergal wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:52 AM: " Are people in this town just "know it alls", "nuts" or what is the problem here? I could give you all the name of my relatives law firm so you could sue the city. He has handled a case before. I sued the city, a well known lawyer in town did too on a trespass suit.
Its not about money, its about showing that you don't have to let people walk all over you and get by with it. Sorry, I am not sure I understand the mentality in this town. didn't get hardly any kind of settlement but it proved a point that you just don't do what you want to a homeowner and their property. " go_fish wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:30 AM: " omygoodness, omygoodness. What an insane judgement of a situation you apparently did not witness. Home invasion after bed time, gun to the head, fear of death or serious injury. Not a guarantee that the victims will suffer ptsd, but according to the DSM-IV, but the precursory elements are certainly there. Most of the comments favor the JCPD offering the services needed to mitigate the potential of PTSD and/or any other psychological damage. However, JCPD seems unwilling to step up to the plate. Thus the suggestion that legal action may be required to allow a family to obtain whatever help they need following this tragic incident. Your tax dollars at work, or not. " omygoodness wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:33 AM: " this incident not even lose to causing ptds, don't care what anyone says, just people in here that want to see a law suit " boxergal wrote on Feb 27, 2008 3:46 PM: " I would like to add that I dreaded going home at night from work when I lived next to these creeps. Hated it so badly until they finally moved. It was such a sense of dread. I can understand why this woman's daughter in law does not want to return. How awful. " boxergal wrote on Feb 27, 2008 3:43 PM: " e gads, I am doomed. Good thing I have been married, had a career and a kid. That was interesting, thanks for the explanations. I just hope these people fare well. " go_fish wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:51 PM: " (7) sense of a foreshortened future (e.g., does not expect to have a career, marriage, children, or a normal life span)
D. Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (not present before the trauma), as indicated by two (or more) of the following: (1) difficulty falling or staying asleep (2) irritability or outbursts of anger (3) difficulty concentrating (4) hypervigilance (5) exaggerated startle response E. Duration of the disturbance (symptoms in Criteria B, C, and D) is more than one month. F. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. " go_fish wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:51 PM: " (5)physiological reactivity on exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event.
C.Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma and numbing of general responsiveness (not present before the trauma), as indicated by three (or more) of the following: (1)efforts to avoid thoughts, feelings, or conversations associated with the trauma (2) efforts to avoid activities, places, or people that arouse recollections of the trauma (3) inability to recall an important aspect of the trauma (4) markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities (5) feeling of detachment or estrangement from others (6) restricted range of affect (e.g., unable to have loving feelings) " go_fish wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:47 PM: " B. The traumatic event is persistently reexperienced in one (or more) of the following ways:
(1) recurrent and intrusive distressing recollections of the event, including images, thoughts, or perceptions. Note: In young children, repetitive play may occur in which themes or aspects of the trauma are expressed. (2) recurrent distressing dreams of the event. Note:In children, there may be frightening dreams without recognizable content. (3)acting or feeling as if the traumatic event were recurring (includes a sense of reliving the experience, illusions, hallucinations, and dissociative flashback episodes, including those that occur upon awakening or when intoxicated). Note: In young children, trauma-specific reenactment may occur. (4) intense psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event. " go_fish wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:44 PM: " According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM IV)
"309.81 DSM-IV Criteria for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder A. The person has been exposed to a traumatic event in which both of the following have been present: (1) the person experienced, witnessed, or was confronted with an event or events that involved actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of self or others (2) the person's response involved intense fear, helplessness, or horror. Note: In children, this may be expressed instead by disorganized or agitated behavior." " truthseeker wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:19 PM: " Boxer, I am not a Dr so I would not attempt to give a PTSD diagnosis to anyone. However, I will say that from your posts I read that you are still at the very least very stressed and have a lot of anxiety about the events you talk about. It would never hurt to talk to a professional about it and could very well help you.
Reliving it, flashbacks etc are a very real and scary part of PTSD. And again I will say a person can suffer from it the next day, month or even years later. Events like this can bring the whole thing back full force as can getting too tired, stressed about something else etc. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:18 PM: " I'm not discounting the fact that they may need some help. Some would...some would not. If they do, the PD needs to pay for it. " boxergal wrote on Feb 26, 2008 7:34 PM: " I know nothing about this subject. But in researching on line cases like this, they said time and time again that the person that it happened to felt as if it would happen to them again. This is how I felt over an incident. Like you are sitting there waiting for it to happen and you can't get it off of your mind. Is this post tramatic stress? Just wondering. " truthseeker wrote on Feb 26, 2008 6:55 PM: " To everyone I would say that unless you have been though something similar do not even pretend to think that you know how someone else should be feeling or thinking. Even if you have not everyone handles stress the same way or even finds the same things stressful. Please before making any more comments about PTSD do some research or talk to people who have suffered it.
" truthseeker wrote on Feb 26, 2008 6:49 PM: " Shiny, you and I have agreed with each other on alot of things(probably disagreed on some too) This is one I will have to disagree with you on. A private citizen being awaken like this in the middle of the night is something that one would not expect to happen to them in their home unless they are breaking laws. An officer or soldier who knows going into a situation that it is possible expects something bad could happen.
As a crime victim I can tell you I speak from experience. IT is not something you just get over because you want to not be a victim forever. It is something that even comes back many years later when you hear a story like this. " truthseeker wrote on Feb 26, 2008 6:23 PM: " Wow,I dont think you can assume that this one incident could not cause PTSD.(speaking in general and not just about this situation cause I wasnt there and dont know all the facts) For sure I can tell you that one incident like a gun or knife to your face/throat most definitely can cause PTSD. I can also tell you that an incident like that happening in the middle of the night can and will probably cause nightmares and stress for these people for years. So while you may not think it is an issue in your book, unless you were there you cant say that.
I hope everyone involved in this are seeking professional counseling, I can assure you it will be needed! " joytotheworld wrote on Feb 26, 2008 5:18 PM: " omygoodness wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:35 PM:
" and joytothe world you would waste your money on a lawyer and get nothing out of it, wise investment joy " I'm afraid ANY lawyer would take that case on a percentage basis and make a killin'. It was wrong and they should be held accountable. PERIOD. NO EXCUSES HERE! " wow wrote on Feb 26, 2008 3:18 PM: " As tragic as this incident was, I don't think it rises 2the level of producing PTSD in anyone. Now if this becomes a repetative thing, PTSD casualties are quite possible; however as it stands right now PTSD isn't an issue in my book and I hope things never get that bad. Am I missing something here? Has the occupants of the ill fated residence been denied something by the JCPD? Perhaps the JCPD leadership is blamming the occupants 4being in that house at the time of the rai? What are authorities doing wrong? If the victims feel they've been wronged then perhaps, they can work it out with the Po-Po, if not there's always civil court. " go_fish wrote on Feb 26, 2008 2:41 PM: " The JCPD needs to do more than just apologize. They need to offer this entire family crisis intervention counseling/therapy NOW. Only by offering help NOW will the PD have any chance to mitigate the long term effects of a traumatic event like this. Doing nothing will guarantee the likelihood of a diagnosis of PTSD for everyone that was in that house. The JCPD got it wrong, they have owned up to their wrong, now they need to take action to protect the victims from futher irreparable harm. " go_fish wrote on Feb 26, 2008 2:36 PM: " Shiny said"My point in the "man-up" comment is, you can allow circumstances to turn you into a perpetual victim OR you can overcome...there's no honor in wallowing in victimhood." In principal I agree with you, there does come a fork in the road following tragedy where you either get stuck in the process or use the bad to motivate you to good. However, two weeks after having a gun pointed at your head is not an appropriate time to expect this. I haven't heard anyone wallowing. What I've heard is people having a normal reaction to a traumatic event. Crisis Intervention 101. An armed home invasion is not something you just "get over". " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 26, 2008 2:26 PM: " Jealous of Larry? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!
Its funny. As I read the story, I thought, "Wow! He didn't try to exploit the story for his own political agenda". They I read the last sentences. Ahhhh, he remains 100% predicatable. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 26, 2008 1:47 PM: " I feel your pain Boscoe. Those houses aren't very big(on the outside btw), they are however pretty close together. The 'right' house has a fenced in back yard & the 'wrong' house does not. As I listened to not just ONE excuse for the raid by the JCPD, but FOUR....I got VERY suspicious VERY quickly. I just wonder if they also told the Chief that they gave the 'victims' FOUR very different reasons for thier fiasco that night. And NOT a one of them makes any sense or validates their having raided the 'wrong' house IMO. " boxergal wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:28 PM: " I am checking out of this one before someone accuses me of over extending my time. But I just want to tell wrong..good luck in getting help on this and I hope your life and your kids get back to normal soon. " boxergal wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:06 PM: " My scuzz neighbors have moved. Thank god. We had an explosion. And I know who to call, it did no good. I had the ATF involved in this incident and still don't know what the explosion was in the woods. It was the Holts Summit police that botched it that night. Those two are gone. We have a good force now and things are calm. Thats why I can relate to this woman. But I took action and got something done. Life is too short to put up with methed up idiots and people that don't do their job right. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:36 AM: " Then she needs to call the PD....talk to the chief and not just to complain. He can't turn back time. Tell him what they want. I'm betting they'll be pretty accomodating. If she gets no satisfaction there, there's other options.
The explosive properties of a meth lab (and if you're smelling the chemical smell, that's what you have) are frightening. They can explode with disasterous effects. I'd recommend you contacting the MSHP DDCC if you want to get some action on it. JCPD is certainly capable, but you've obviously had some bad experiences with them. " boxergal wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:14 AM: " You know shiney....I honestly think this woman wants to talk to someone about this. Because I can tell you for a fact that when you mention things like this to people they look at you like you have a third eye. Hopefully, they get help and/or legal council. And by the way, the living next door to the meth thing is serious stuff (as you know). We smelled ammonia too and now our trees behind our house are dead. Its so dangerous and there are kids in that house. Those kids should be the number one priority and this lady has a right to be totally upset. " boxergal wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:11 AM: " That blew me away too Boscoe. I could just visualize it. something stinks here. badly. " boxergal wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:10 AM: " I would love to know why people in here insist on being nasty. It only makes them look like the ridiculous ones. " Boscoe wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:09 AM: " I'm confused how "1/2 of (the) team was at the front of the right house & other half at the back of the wrong house". Those houses are not very big, and the yards are very small. How could the team halves not be in contact with each other before the raid? Why couldn't they even see each other? Didn't they discuss the house and the yard and the raid when they planned it? This seems so basic, so elementary of an issue that I cannot see how it would even happen. I assume that each of the team members had lots of firepower and weapons drawn and ready to shoot. Surely the two halves of the team " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:35 AM: " If there was a civil rights violation, there are remedies available.
My point in the "man-up" comment is, you can allow circumstances to turn you into a perpetual victim OR you can overcome. Bad stuff happens to everyone. That doesn't make it ok, but there's no honor in wallowing in victimhood. " go_fish wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:23 AM: " Shiny said"Didn't realize Dr. Phil was moonlighting for the PD.The PD has a responsibility to do what they can to correct their mistake.What the heck are they supposed to do about feuding bros?Life occassionally throws us a curve.You can let it destroy you or man-up and overcome." This type of arrogant sarcasm is exactly why the badge becomes tarnished. I have 4 words for WRONGED...AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION! And yes, a warrantless search should result in criminal charges. Shiney, if the warrant was for another address, there was NO authority to break and enter. WRONG, ask the Governor's office, Local Senator,Local Rep to have the Highway Patrol investigate. Or go to US Dept of Justice and ask for a criminal investigation. " boxergal wrote on Feb 26, 2008 7:05 AM: " By the way, there is a section in the Sunshine law of MO that deals with open records of a law enforcement dept. Its section 610.022. I suggest if anyone feels the need to look at a record and runs into a problem, call Jay Nixon's office to inquire about it. Also, I believe JCPD has a records keeper. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:36 PM: " I want to thank you all for discussing this. Its been very enlightening and I have learned a lot. Most of all it makes me realize that we have a big problem with meth out there in all types of neighborhoods. At one time, I felt isolated and like we were the only people dealing with this stuff. I just wish we could all band together and get this scuzz out of our neighborhoods. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:24 PM: " during all of this, the wife lost a baby. Sickening. These people are the scariest and should not be messed with by the public. I can see why cops don't want to bust them, they are so dangerous. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:23 PM: " Oh I know all abouth meth dealers. The night "ours" were let go, we endured a night of them shooting high powered fireworks at our home. I woke up the next morning to find them all over my home, yard and brand new truck out back. They would send their friends over to sit in front of our house in their big red neck trucks and rev their engines. They ran around with guns and would call my husband nasty names for no reason. I would witnessed them running up and down their drive for months, throwing fireworks at cars. I never understood the firework fascination. All in all, they were totally insane. And during all of... " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:27 PM: " if there's been ANY court proceedings, there will be entries on casenet. It will have a running depiction of what's happening. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:25 PM: " if you know their names, check casenet. Its a public record and a great resource. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:24 PM: " OR since that was just this past Dec....have they even GONE to court yet? " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:23 PM: " Wasn't it said in the raid back in Dec on the right house that the parties pretty much posted bond immediately? I'd LOVE to know what they got if/when they went to court that time. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:20 PM: " Supposedly they did go to the right house after the fact, BUT NO arrests were made....so just WHAT was accomplished that night?
As far as I know, atleast on my end, is the most victimized victim that night does NOT want to sue, just needs help "dealing" with this(more help than we can give her). AND as for the homeowners, they WERE looking into attorneys. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:10 PM: " The decision on whether to encarcerate or give probation lies with the prosecuting attorney and judges. Cops can only present the case. What happens to the defendants after that is in their hands.
" shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:08 PM: " you've hit on the $64,000 question. I don't know either. Meth dealers don't stop until they are forced to. Probation DOES NOT WORK for meth users/cooks/dealers. It simply does not. The addiction is TOO intense. They are extremely dangerous to the public and especially law enforcement. No doubt, that's why SWAT was there. Meth folks typically don't play. They're violent, paranoid, and delusional most of the time. I can't think of a more insideous drug and Missouri has the honor of being #1 in the nation.
" boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:57 PM: " shiney - I don't get any of this. Why are meth dealers busted and re busted again and again??? I am not sure I understand. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:52 PM: " Joy, me too. I have sued the city of Jefferson and settled out of court on a matter. Again, one of my relatives has sued on a case just like this. Not sure what happened on it. They are lucky this didn't happen to me. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:43 PM: " makes me wonder why they didn't just go ahead and hit the RIGHT house after they hit the wrong one. That mistake would hardly nullify a search warrant's validity, I wouldn't think. The mistake would still have occurred but at least, the bad guys would have been arrested. It doesn't fix the mistake, but it may have helped sooth the ill feelings from the screwup. " omygoodness wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:35 PM: " and joytothe world you would waste your money on a lawyer and get nothing out of it, wise investment joy " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:32 PM: " To quote the officers involved THAT night: "A neighbor said they smelled ammonia", "1/2 of our team was at the front of the right house & other half at the back of the wrong house", "One of the 2 gals(victims) matched the describtion of a missing girl, driving (Xcar, which BTW, was sitting in the driveway of the right house earlier that night), "We were given a photograph of your house by the county accessor" " joytotheworld wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:27 PM: " I'd sue so fast you wouldn't know what happened. This is just WRONG! " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:16 PM: " well, if its any consolation, if they're like most drug dealers, once identified, they tend to scurry off like the roaches they are. Maybe they'll move and become someone else's problem. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:07 PM: " There's a huge difference between "No, none, nada warrant issued" and "No warrant shown".
I'm not defending what happened, but to say there was no warrant or probable cause to justify the entry is a stretch. If there wasn't, you've got federal civil rights issues. The JCPD may have dropped the ball on the raid. I find it inconceivable they'd not have legal authority to make entry. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:43 PM: " McShiney, that was the FIRST question I asked.....what did the warrant state they were raidng them for.....NO warrant was ever shown to atleast the victims.
Boxergal, both of the girls are in their 20's. NO problems with other neighbors & all of them that know about the 'right' house want justice done. As of tonight, there is STILL glass in their carpeting that was "cleaned", but afterall it was a 2-3 pane sliding door that they shattered. They DID sweep it with a BROOM & scooped it into a child's pool! WOW! " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:32 PM: " And before anyone says anything, I had this confirmed by a police officer that is employed in this area. It happens, its a good old boy system and its sickening. I fought it, got two people removed from their jobs and would do it again in a heartbeat. This all hits way too close to home for me. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:28 PM: " wrong...may I ask you something? do the neighbors hassel your family (kids)? What I am asking is this...is there also an underlying problem with them too? I am just curious. Without telling who they are, can you tell me how old they are, etc.? I just find it interesting that these people have gotten off, just like my (ex)neighbors did. My neighbors actually got out of being busted because they knew the police that came out. Yes people, it does happen. And no sniping from the sidelines. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:24 PM: " makes the whole "but drug use is a victimless crime" thing ring a little shallow, doesn't it. The fact is violence and thefts follow drugs use. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:18 PM: " I have to say this....do some of you even begin to know the stresses associated with living next to a drug dealer, let alone whats happened to this family? I may be wrong but I believe this is a nice middle class neighborhood from what I can tell. This is a nightmare all the way around. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:15 PM: " Exactly, Go Fish. And I believe there are actually "Right to Know" laws in some states where some police records are public information. I may be wrong here but I believe this woman needs to seek an attorney for some advise. And/or someone for counseling for the family. Maybe a family minister. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:14 PM: " was there a warrant ISSUED though. If they were in the wrong house, I'd doubt they'd produce it to the wrong people since they'd messed up on the address already.
Under what authority did they enter then? " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:32 PM: " You most certainly do have every right. I would kill to keep my kid safe. Its a mother's instinct. God, I feel for you. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:18 PM: " you're saying there was no arrest warrant nor search warrant? They were just breaking into a house without a judges order or probable cause?
If that's the case, then they should be charged with burglary. I find it hard to believe they just developed a plan (bad as it may have been) and raided a house without some authority to do so. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:05 PM: " And the comments to just move it don't like it is what leads to entire "druggie" neighborhoods. Why should good people move from a "good" neighborhood because of one bad apple? Wouldn't the logical thing to do is remove the bad apple? Maybe Feb 11th was the JCPD's chance to finally give that neighborhood so peace of mind, but blew it big time! " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:01 PM: " Sure I'm too close to this incident McShiney....but I would still be mad has heck if it happened to ANYONE wrongfully. I was taught right from wrong & this was just plain wrong! I said before that the JCPD gave atleast 3 reasons for this raid....I stand corrected it was FOUR! None of which make any sense whatsoever. And BTW....there was NO WARRANT, none, nadda. What are people to do to be 100% safe in their own home? This is proof that there is no such thing as 100%. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:56 PM: " JC Citizen...the answer to all of your questions is simple....the JCPD NEVER talked to her. Guess they fiqured she wasn't the HOMEOWNER, just living there, thus no one that mattered right? Why should it be up to HER to seek help, afterall the JCPD did this TO her & not visa versa! Had they bothered to even talk to her they would have known that she was NOT OK! " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:44 PM: " I think you've confused name calling with disagreement. Given what you've said, I'd say you're too close to the situation to be entirely objective. Can't say that that's not a natural reaction though.
I can't imagine what you think the JCPD could DO to "fix" ANYONE! Rift between two brothers? Didn't realize Dr. Phil was moonlighting for the PD. The PD has a responsibility to do what they can to correct their mistake. What the heck are they supposed to do about feuding bros? Life occassionally throws us a curve. You can let it destroy you or man-up and overcome. I'm confident the PD will do their part to help your family. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:22 PM: " AND until the JCPD "fixes" the DIL I now have living with me out of FEAR & also "fixes" the rift between 2 brothers over this incident, I will continue to have my voice heard no matter how far I have to go up! " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:19 PM: " Again McShiney, please stick to the issues at hand. I have my opinion & you have yours. "I'll" just have to agree to disagree because I will not resort to your level again. Making fun of people, calling them names does not belong in any forum. And for the record McShiney....I'm the homeowners MOTHER & the victims MOTHER-IN-LAW & the small children's GRANDMOTHER....so I have every right to be INFURIATED with THIS & only this incident! " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:11 PM: " Makes me miss Clyde Angle. Nobody was a bigger watchdog of the Sunshine Law than he was. " go_fish wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:03 PM: " JC citizen --- Freedom of Information Act and Sunshine Laws do give citizens the right to know what is happening in their government, including the governor's office -- and email :-) Open records allows the media to get their info on a regular basis. Just because people don't frequently use these rights doesn't mean that they don't exist. By the way, your crude personal remarks are against this forum's policy, stick to the facts, disagree without being disagreeable. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 4:29 PM: " Sounds like you've got some dandy neighbors, and since the search warrant in question didn't yield the intended targets, you argueably still have them roaming around. I hate to see a handful of hooligans ruin neighborhoods. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 4:20 PM: " Agreed. I witnessed a drug bust across the street from me years ago in Cole. The patrolmen didn't want us near the window, didn't want us asking questions. Trust me, I went to the back room until it was over. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:37 PM: " boxer,
I'd agree, I think the public DOES have a right to know about this and have some assurances that its been corrected. That's reasonable. There's some things that have no business being made public simply because it effects officer safety or tactics. This would not be one of them. Get it in the open and fix it. That's the only way to regain public trust. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:34 PM: " I agree 100 percent JC citizen. BUT its hit the media. I think thats a little different. I honestly do not want to know everything that goes on or I would be horrified. But I can tell you if it affects me and my family (which things have), I demand to know or I try and change things for the better so it doesn't happen again. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:30 PM: " Oh, its crystal clear JC, that although this incident is the travesty de-jour, Wrong-o has issues with cops in general and this is just a forum to slam them. It wouldn't matter what happened, he/she is always going to find fault. Granted, they gave him a wide opening to take some shots...some of which are deserved, but to let on like but for his "whistle blowing", the cops would be goose stepping down high street, trampling the rights of citizens like a scene from 1940's Germany is laughable.
Its a mistake. Wrong is just piling on, and loving it. " Citizen-JC wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:21 PM: " wrong is wrong. Has this person contacted anyone about these nightmares? Has she contacted the police about compensation for therapy? Has she ever GONE to therapy? Or is she waiting around for someone else to do it for her? You are mad because you know one of the "victims" and YOU feel they are being short changed. Ok, you are entitled to your opinion. But, honestly unless the person having the nightmares does something about it, how are the police to know something is wrong? " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:16 PM: " Bad situation, no doubt, but having gone through a few doors before, its (sadly) not uncommon to find kids in houses where search warrants are served. Sometimes you know going in they're there. Sometimes you don't. Seeing kids in a residence wouldn't automatically register that they'd gone to the wrong place. I'm sure it DID freak the family out. Living in an area that's apparently fairly crime riden, they probably thought one of the neighbors was breaking in.
The department owes to make it right, whatever that might take. You can't rewind time, so you can only go forward, a little smarter, and try to fix whatever damage was caused. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:11 PM: " See, that's where you are wrong JC Citizen, not ALL of the people involved ARE OK! The young woman that had the gun in her face is still to this day having nightmares. Not ONCE during or since this incident has anyone checked on her or even talked to her. She is NOT OK & they obviously don't care. " Citizen-JC wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:01 PM: " ...to demand information that honestly they may not have any right to know. Sometimes they do, but often times intrusive self righteous busy bodies impede the good that is being done with their "right" to this and their "right" to that. " Citizen-JC wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:00 PM: " boxergal, you are interchanging "I have a right to know" with "everyone answers for their actions". And they are not interchangable. Lets face it, there are things that go on everyday that we may not like if we knew about them. But they are things that are required to happen to keep the cogs of society working. We do NOT have a right to know about them. Heck I want to know who the crack head was that the SWAT team was SUPPOSED to bust but didn't. do I have a RIGHT to know? NOPE. but I WANT to know. THAT is the difference I am trying to make. To many times people hide behind "their right"... " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:54 PM: " No, its people like me and others that get things done while other sit on their rears and complain. I went on a letter writing and phone tagent over many a wrong doing in goverment. Its your right, you pay these people if you live in Cole. This isn't some secret service this is a local police department. Give me a break. " Citizen-JC wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:53 PM: " boxergal -- go knock on Gov. Blunt's door and demand to know everything he does and see how far that gets you. May be an extreme example, but it still rings true. We elect people to positions on FAITH that they will do a good job and make the right decisions. But we really don't know EVERYTHING they do, nor do we know EVERYTHING that city and state departments do. Try forcing your way into a closed door session at the Capital or at the mayor's office. Plain and simple we as "John Q" do not know and have no RIGHT to know everything that is going on. " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:50 PM: " Trust me, wrong...I worked for the legislature for 30 long years. Everyone has a right to know. And EVERYONE answers to someone when it comes to being paid out of the taxpayers money. " Citizen-JC wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:49 PM: " you do NOT have a right to know everything. This country has a SERIOUS problem with everybody sticking their noses into others business. Did the police make a mistake? YES, they appologized, they are correcting the mistake, and the people involved are satisfied. MOVE ON...NOTHING TO SEE HERE...who are you that was nominated public busy body that you must know everything? Its crusading busy bodies that are corroding the fabric of our LEOs ability to do their jobs. GUESS WHAT THEY ARE HUMAN TOO! Unless you are divine and no one knows it, you make mistakes as well. I am glad no one got hurt, but mistakes happen... " boxergal wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:48 PM: " Because they are public servants paid for at taxpayers expense. I know from working in gov't for 30 years that everyone answers to someone above them, be it on a city or state level. Sorry, I disagree, when you pay taxes to pay for salaries, you DO have the right to know. Only when you hide things does it make people suspicious. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:48 PM: " On the flip side of that coin, where is it written that John Q Public DOESN'T have the right to know? Afterall, as written right here in this forum multiple times, they ARE human & do make mistakes. Should John Q Public ONLY hear when they do the right thing? " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:40 PM: " Common sense is where it is 'written'. John Q Public DOES have the right to know when something like this happens. Especially as in this case...to 2 young women and 2 small children. It wasn't until they saw the 2 small children huddled together and visibly frightened in the hallway that they said 'OOOPS, we're in the wrong house'. One of the 2 young women had a gun pointed in her face, thought it was a burglar & that she was going to die. Many of us thank God daily that her 4YO daughter was NOT there at the time. " Citizen-JC wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:08 PM: " WRONGisWRONG -- where does it say that you have a RIGHT to know ANYTHING about this incident? Where is it written down that you or the general public have a RIGHT to know about everything the Police do? " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 1:22 PM: " SWAT members are typically experienced but nearly EVER are the "higher ups". They are street level officers generally.
Although this thread isn't necessarily about pay vs. quality, it does merit discussion. Low-bid doesn't produce excellence ANYWHERE. Hiring police officers is no different. Take a look around at some of the depts that don't offer competitive salaries. They generally are also the ones that are the revolving door for quality officers to get experience then move on to bigger and better. When the salary is competitive it allows depts to pick and choose to get the best possible candidate. That always means a better agency in the end. " boscoe wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:44 AM: "
Was this incident caused by a little clerical error of someone writing down the wrong house number? Why did the cops move so quickly to blame the County Assessor? " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:37 AM: " I think it's unfair to equate that low pay draws low quality officers. If I'm not mistaking, this 'raid' was coordinated by the higher ups who make more money, etc. And you saw the results. It took 9 days to get the news of this 'incident' out to the public who had the right to know that this can and did happen and could easily happen again IF the JCPD base their raids on photographs of homes from the accessors office. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:46 AM: " pay won't address hiring "standards". It WILL increase your candidate pool and assure you get high caliber people in your recruit class. If you can't offer a competitive wage, you're just not going to get quality folks giving you a look. Its not different than any other line of work. There's pleny of agencies that offer a good salary and benefits package. They get good people coming to them. Those that aren't as competitive, tend to get fewer candidates. That said, even the BEST depts occassionally drop the ball. As long as humans are hired, human mistakes will occur. The trick is keeping them to the lowest level possible. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:36 AM: " many depts require at least 60 hours of college. I'm not sure if that's a cure all...in fact I'm sure its not, but it does tend to draw a higher caliber candidate. If this type of error was commonplace in the area, I'd be the first one calling foul. Obviously, it is not though. JDCP needs to do their best to make those that were wronged whole, analyze where the breakdown occured and make adjustments to assure it doesn't happen again. As much as some would like to frame this up as an indictment of the entire law enforement community, its not. They messed up. End of story. " go_fish wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:33 AM: " Higher pay will not fix hiring standards. Higher pay will result in draining area LE depts of their staff who want to be paid more. This doesn't necessarily mean you will get what you are paying for. When the hiring standards REQUIRE a college degree and pay is commensurate for education AND experience, then you will start to see some change. Beyond that, the field officers are only as good as their immediate supervisors require them to be. The "front line" supervisor has the biggest influence on officer behavior through example and close supervision. If the supervisor doesn't care, has a bad attitude, or is incompetent guess what you will be getting? " online_editor wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:52 PM: " I've removed some insult-laden sniping. Please make your points without the ad hominems. Thanks. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune " boxergal wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:14 PM: " Oh, man, I think thats all I need to know. Living next to a drug dealer (and I believe there was meth involved in the first bust) is a bad enough nightmare. But then this. And yes, its a mistake, but it only takes one mistake to make a lifetime of hell for someone. I honestly don't think I could blame the police officers but blame whomever coordinated this thing that went wrong. Like I said, I still have terrible anxiety from our experience, I can only imagine what this lady is going through. " maxheadroom wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:55 PM: " they do it for love of the service they provide certainly not for the pay " maxheadroom wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:55 PM: " maybe if we paid people in this profession what they should be paid we would have college degreed people with masters and specialists degrees , and we would have less errors . A lot of the good ones move on toprivate industry, security, investigators, or high patrol because of the ppor pay, we have many young kids not to far out of high school because of the ppor pay, and some of you expect them to be perfect . Do
you want to be a 1st year doctors patient, or a 1st year lawyer defending you ? get my point . For what we pay this profession I think we get excellant police service . I consider the city police like our military " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:20 PM: " Boxergal...
you sound like a reasonable, intelligent person. I'd ask you get some verification from "Deepthroat" before you take any story on face value. Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen. If there's truly anything out there, it'll come out. Since Wrong wasn't AT the scene, he's had to have had someone confide in him. I don't pretend to know what happened....I wasn't there either. I just pretty skeptical of anyone that claims to have some unbiased, inside source of all the details. If the details were as heinous as he's letting on, I'm at a loss why he wouldn't want to share them with the world. " boxergal wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:02 PM: " And I love your honesty. Let me think about this. I have a myspace just for communicating. I hate to post my e mail in here. " boxergal wrote on Feb 24, 2008 3:26 PM: " Not to beat a dead horse but I have so many questions on this. I am not pointing fingers but trying to understand how this happens. My husband and I actually talked about how this might happen to us in the past. Trust me, I am not putting any law enforcement down. " boxergal wrote on Feb 24, 2008 3:15 PM: " and if any of you can shine light on any of this, I would love to hear. This has been a fear of mine in the past. I actually found my address on my neighbors court documents on casenet. I had a Sheriff at my door one night trying to serve papers that belonged to my neighbor. I thought my son had been in a wreck when I saw the Sheriff car in my drive. So all of this concerns me as a citizen. " boxergal wrote on Feb 24, 2008 3:13 PM: " Yes, we bought in a nice neighborhood too only to have some druggies move next to us. Its terrible. Thats why I follow these stories because I am hoping someday to read their name in the paper. The newspaper needs to put names of those busted in the paper, like they do when some others get busted for pot. I only ask this so there isn't any confusion on who it is. I looked up the address and found a name. I can't believe that these people listed are druggies. Maybe a new owner moved in. That alone bugs me. If the newspaper puts an address of someone that is busted, please put the name. And... " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:30 PM: " Well well McShiney, you claim to be associated with law enforcement so should KNOW the details right? Your posts speak volumes. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:02 PM: " instead of innuendo and conspiracy theories, how about some details? I'm getting a little tired of all the "oh, you'd never believe how bad it is!" stuff and then no proof or even an indication of what you're talking about.
" boxergal wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:56 PM: " And by the way, do not let anyone dismiss you as making stuff up. One of the previous posts (i.e. - lol....grassy knoll, etc.) infuriated me to no end. " boxergal wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:55 PM: " Oh, OK, I misunderstood. So I am listening....I would love to hear all about it. This is a public forum for public information. Thats what I like about it, you learn things that some media sources don't report. Did they know they were living next to drug dealers???
" WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:18 PM: " Boxergal, the 'right' house WAS right next to the 'wrong' house. There are many things missing in the story because it had to be published that way. I haven't seen one person ask why or how it took so long for John Q Public to hear about this incident. The JCPD sure as heck didn't VOLUNTEER this info to the NT and obviously were just going to 'sweep it under the rug'. They gave atleast 3 different reasons for raiding the wrong house that night, yet none of that info was given to the reporter by the JCPD. The public had the right to know that something like this CAN and did happen in JC and to ANY one of you. " boxergal wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:40 AM: " Actually, I have some questions. Only because my son lives in JC and I worry about him. Someone in here said (more or less) to leave this alone. I disagree. You all want to offer to take the public on a ride to let them see what goes one. So I say answer some questions in here. Doesn't the JCPD have a GIS specialist (Mr. Keeney)? Just curious. And in looking at a google satellite map, it seems there are a few houses in between the one that was entered into and the real offenders home.I could see if it was next door but this just seems so unbelievable to me. Can someone explain " boxergal wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:32 AM: " I truly hope your friend gets some help to get her through her horrible ordeal. And to those good officers....the one that came out the night my son called, the ones that have been so friendly when pulling me over and then letting me go with a warning, the ones that came out the day my mom fell in the assisted living home (because the ambulances in this area were tied up), thank you. But to the ones like the idiot that showed up at my home when called upon, get into a different field. Again, my heart goes out to you and your friend, I know what its like to fight this stuff. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:16 AM: " If a plain citizen did ride along, then posted here what exactly what they saw go on that night(and I DO know the truth jj, momof4, etc), you all would have flat out called plain citizen a liar also. People tend to believe law enforcement(as in most cases we should), but not this time. A wrong WAS done, atleast one involved is NOT ok and nothing has been done to help her. NOTHING. " jj wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:48 AM: " Very Well said JCNATIVE AND MOMOf4. VERY WELL SAID AND THANK YOU!!!! " online_editor wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:40 AM: " See www.jeffcitymo.org/police/citizenspoliceacademy.html for information about JCPD's Citizens Police Academy's schedule and registration. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune " J C Native wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:22 AM: " Oops...it should have read: "Unless you are or have been a Law Enforcement officer or a spouse of one"....
sorry! " J C Native wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:20 AM: " "momof4"...Very, very well stated! Unless you have been a Law Enforcement or a spouse of one, you have not a clue what you are talking about; I speak from experience. Actually, you don't know half of what transpires; you do not need to! In time of need, you would not hesitate to call an officer for help, yet you can readily bad mouth them...what a disgrace! Our city, county and state officers can hold their heads up high and be proud...they are some of the best; yes, there are exceptions with anything. For them I am so grateful! " ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:36 PM: " momof4 that is a great program that you mentioned and yes if more were to take the time to go and do just that i agree they would have a better idea of JCPD and Cole County...both the PD and COle county have programs to do that. Thanks for bringing it up. " momof4 wrote on Feb 23, 2008 4:41 PM: " Some of you are killing me. I have been reading these postings since it came out, and have kept my comments to myself. But some of this speculation, hearsay and general accusations is amazing. My suggestion to some of you is that you sign up for the Citizens Academy, and then maybe you can get a better understanding of what the PD is about. You'll even get to ride with an officer. You can even ask questions, make your comments, and they will address them to the best of their ability. But I'm sure none of you will, because it's easier to be critical, than to "walk" in another's shoes. " wow wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:38 AM: " A mistake was made and thankfully nobody got injured because of it. Compensation was made, nobody denied the mishap happened and hopefully the probability of this happening again has been eliminated or at least minimized. Also, those who actually enforce the Castle Doctrine, I hope would be doing so in accordance with said law, if not there could be problems. " J C Native wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:01 AM: " "ndnlvngcherokee" I agree with you totally; well stated! Again, "Let Go!" Move on to something else. Appears this one has been beat to death. " ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Feb 23, 2008 8:22 AM: " This is scary to think of to say the least. The problem I do believe comes from the fact that they are understaffed to begin with. All departments arent paid the same...(sheriffs / JCPD) maybe when that starts then more time can also be given to these agencies. I also agree about the Assesors office...if they have a picture of the wrong house for the address how many of us our paying taxes on someone elses home. Time to get them checked. Mistakes will be made as we all make them and I truelly think we all maybe reading more into this than not because the homeowners have accepted the apology and their home was fixed and cleaned. So lets move on... " boxergal wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:43 PM: " Well, honestly, Wow, in my household YOU would be the big deal. If we caught someone breaking our window and coming in, we just might take advantage of the new law the Gov. signed into effect. That or my boxer would chew your leg off. Just so you know, I do care about my fellow (good) police officer and would hate to see that happen. " jeffmoman wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:48 PM: " (hypothetically thinking)Ive been thinking about this more, what if they raided the wrong house on purpose. Say if they couldn't get a search warrant for one house, but could for another. Then the "accidentally" got the wrong house. Would anything they might have found in the mistaken house be allowed to be prosecuted for? I know illegal search and seizor. But since this was a "mistake", would that count? I'm just saying could the mistaken identity entry become a tactic and abused? " Boscoe wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:45 PM: " NT also ought to get a statement from the Assessor as to why the wrong house picture was in the computer system and a confirmation that the correct taxes have been collected on the correct properties.
Also, make sure that the entire SWAT team's actions at all locations that evening are reported, not just at the house that was mistakenly raided. A little more info would be nice. " go_fish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:43 PM: " And it would be nice if we could also see the warrant request that the judge involved used to authorize this botched search. Was the info on the warrant request accurate? " go_fish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:40 PM: " Perhaps the News Tribune would be willing to obtain the police report of this debacle via a sunshine/open records request and make it available on the web. Even a redacted copy with no names visible would be better than speculation. " jeffmoman wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:21 PM: " mistakes happen---- > dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=455037&in_page_id=1770 " jeffmoman wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:19 PM: " type in -"mistaken address raid" and see the list of different cities that this has happened in. Not a localized problem, this needs to be addressed nationally. " jeffmoman wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:16 PM: " Fixing their window and apologizing is all good, but what I want is the story about how they are going to fix this problem in the future. Let the citizens know that you are actively trying to fix this problem so that the chance of this happening(maybe with more than just a broke window next time) is greatly reduced, or eliminated. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 22, 2008 3:31 PM: " If indeed there IS more to the story, and there may be....who knows, you're right. It DOES need to come out. I just can't imagine what it may be.
Bad planning is bad planning. I'm not sure what else there is to say about it. They certainly didn't intend to do it and have made the attempt to make those damaged whole again. Whether their post-event actions are adequate, is really for the damaged parties to say. " Boscoe wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:07 PM: " Since the whole story doesn't get told, that is why the rumors, allegations, discussions, and lies get started. Just tell the truth, the whole truth, learn from it, and move on. Hiding it only makes it worse, and hiding seems to be standard operating procedure in these parts. " Boscoe wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:05 PM: " Transparency and the rest of the story would be a great start in many things with local (city and county) government. I agree. " wow wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:02 PM: " The unfortunant incident happened due to "human error". The Poooleeece admitted they were wrong, no injuries occurred, also the damage was repaired and paid for. So what's the big deal? Sure we don't want this to happen daily, but when it does (and it will), being truthfull about it is the best way to handle it, whcih the local Po-Po did. So in my view the JCPD did right.
Anyone with common sense knows that "Mr./Ms. Murphy" can never be fully eliminated. So with that being said, how can the Officer's involved in this be expected to perform their job 100% error free? Sounds like a few people are straight JCPD hatin. " jj wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:47 PM: " Boscoe I think you are stirring the pot. You couldnt of heard to much besides they made entry in the basement of the wrong house. Nobody was cuffed or harmed at all. A wrongful entry and broken glass door was the problem. So dont try to dramatize it anymore. Your trying to blow it up with your one tenth stuff. Its bad enough as it is and dont need more drama spread that is not true. People that wanna stray from the facts and start mushrooming them should go to TOWNTALK. Thats were the lies and blowing issues out of proportion belong. The Officers and Deputies do many good things a day. Lets talk bout them some time. " boxergal wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:35 PM: " Oh my Boscoe, that even makes me more sick. If they are any indication of the ex JC cop that showed up at my house a few years back, I have NO doubt there is some corruption. And by the way, I find the psychology on cops interesting. Note the cops in the news lately that have killed or allegedly killed their spouses, and one was pregnant. It only confirms my feelings that some truly are what the book, The Thin
Blue Line was all about. " go_fish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:04 PM: " " using pictures which they had received from the county assessor's GIS system" BTW, if the people who were wrongfully raided are home owners, does this also mean they are paying property taxes on the wrong address? " go_fish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:03 PM: " Sounds like a good time for there to be some "transparency in government", omitting of course any info about the real suspects they were allegedly after. " Boscoe wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:39 AM: " The few bad apples really do spoil the entire bunch. Too bad the thin blue line cannot get rid of the few bad apples that completely taint and ruin the entire organization.
I have heard some of the details of this raid that were not published, and if a tenth of what I have heard is true, it makes me so sick to think that the rot is this deep and severe. " boxergal wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:14 AM: " My husband was in the medical profession. Saved many a life. Babies lives. I don't sit in here and expect you all to rave over what he did for a living at one time. If he made mistakes, he was severely reprimanded. His dept. was sued for one of his employees mistakes. So don't tell us that you are our saviors, please. " boxergal wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:11 AM: " so noted J C ....back to the police issue. There was one person posting on the Cole Henry case in here. Posting facts that I don't think were supposed to be out for the public. Now if thats any indication of the JC police dept., then we are in big trouble. Unethical. " go_fish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:41 AM: " Shiny, police officers are not martyrs set here on earth to hassle me until I ask for their protection. By choosing a law enforcement career, an officer knowingly accepts all that goes with it. Same thing for any other public profession, you accept the good with the bad and hopefully do the job because you enjoy it, not because you like the power of a shiny badge. The residents had a reasonable expectation to be safe in their home. Their civil rights were violated when the police CHOSE to put them in an unsafe situation by not knowing if they were at the right house. Stop defending your profession, stop playing the martyr, you are making the LE community look worse. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:30 AM: " McShiney if you were in law enforcement as you say, where did you get your training? I have never heard true law enforcement people call other people names openly as you have repeatedly on this forum(thank you NT for removing said posts). The point is, everything is not ok with ALL of the people involved in this story, yet nothing has been done by the JCPD to ensure that it was. Sure mistakes happen, but one can't overlook the fact that they HAD been to the 'right' house on numerous occasions prior to this incident, so how could they NOT know where they were going? People are entitled to know that this can and did happen in JC and could easily happen to them. " J C Native wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:30 AM: " Interesting, there is a "JCnative" here which is not me. Guess someone liked my name; just be aware there are two different people here, please. " boxergal wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:38 AM: " By the way, the idiot policeman that came out the night of our horrible incident was an ex JCPD officer. Guess they didn't want him either. Reading what wrongiswrong said made me sick to my stomach. And for people to even begin to doubt it makes me sicker. People, the truth needs to be addressed in these situations, not swept away. " boxergal wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:32 AM: " You all chose that profession. do it right and quit making so many excuses. And to the good guys that do it right, thank you. To the others, do us a favor and quit using what you think is power to intimidate people. My heart goes out to these people, they will never, ever get over this. " boxergal wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:29 AM: " ....bomb a neighborhood and terrorize a whole block full of people but not OK to point a finger. I still have flashbacks of my house rocking after the bomb went off. Oh, sure, letters were written and policemen were let go but I will never, ever think the same of law enforcement in this area again. Those people have a long road ahead of them, trust me. I have read the thin blue line and truly believe there is a thin line there. I am so sick of excuses, even I could find that house and have never been in the neighborhood. Apologize to these people, make amends and see it never happens again. It looks awful. " boxergal wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:27 AM: " Thank you Go Fish. I too went through a hellish situation with our local police. Was told it was OK to set off a bomb that rocked our neighborhood. I lay on the couch and shook after I realized the police would not do anything to these idiot meth using neighbors. Its a horrible feeling, horrible. And then the policeman had the nerve to lunge and me because I pointed a finger at him when he told me nothing could be done. I stood there with my mouth open, I could not believe what I was hearing. There were guns involved in my incident. So, its OK to run around with a gun, and bomb a neighborhood.... " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:57 AM: " This thread isn't about me, but let me just say, had I not "chosen" to put myself there, YOU, my dear citizen, would have been "chosen" by these idiots to do something. The thin blue line is more than just a catch phrase.
Yup. I chose the profession, but I sure as hell didn't chose the situation. To borrow an analogy, the word is full of sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. The sheep hate the control of the sheepdogs, that is until the wolves are at their door and preparing to eat them. If these folks need counselling, they're entitled. They WERE wronged. " go_fish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:43 AM: " What do I want? For those involved to be reprimanded and sent to the appropriate training. The family to be properly compensated, not just their window replaced, and offered mental health treatment for PTSD, and reoffered it again within 3-6 months. It's more that Monday am quarterbacking, it's common sense. " go_fish wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:41 AM: " Wow, lots of LawEnforcment folks chiming in on this one. McShiny said: "I HAVE had guns pointed at me Wrong-o and been shot at. Didn't need therapy....just suckked it up" My friend you CHOSE to put yourself in those positions when you chose your career. The residents who were busted in on did not CHOOSE to have their civil rights violated through blatant incompetence. If your heart surgeon has a slip of the knife and says oops I'm human, I made a mistake, I doubt you would be so quick to forgive. The point is, you are trained professionals and an amateur mistake like this is unexcusable. " xbluidgurlx87x wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:47 AM: " Just because JCPD "assisted" on serving a search warrant, doesn't not mean this could not have been a mistake. All they needed was one JCPD officer there to be assisting. These people risk their lives everyday. I am sorry for that family, and I definately believe they are truamatized by this. But it was a mistake. Don't you think the families of the PD are truamatized when they hear that something has happend and cops were shot at and they haven't heard from their mother, father, brother, sister, son or daughter. I know I am. My cousin, brother, and brother's father are all members of different law enforcement agencies around the state of missouri. People seem to forget that they are human and make mistakes. " plain_citizen wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:49 AM: " You people really amaze me. If you are going to be the Monday morning QB and sit a critique Law Enforcement for what they do, I say go to the academy, strap on a gun and badge, hit the streets. Then lets see how much bad mouthing you do. These brave men and women are putting their lives on the line every day they go to work to protect people like you that have nothing better to do than ridicule them. JCPD, CCSD, MSHP, and who ever else is out there, keep up the good work and THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. " jj wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:35 PM: " The Sheriff department and the task force executed the warrant and there was about 2 PD officers there. The SWAT team was not there. I agree there should of been more intel gathered by the PD, for the SWAT team. The Sheriffs Department and PD have been working hard and are making many cases on drug dealers and repeat offenders. But it is the prosecutors, and the judges that need to be harder on the drug dealers. If it was up to the guys making the cases on them, they would all be in prison and never get out. But instead they get probation or a 120 and are right back out and they have to start all over. The judges look at drugs asthevictimlesscrime.whatabunchofbaloneyhuh " JCnative wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:08 PM: " jj-in the second paragraph of the Dec. 8th 2007 article it clearly states "officers from the Jefferson City Police Department and MUSTANG Drug task force assisted Sheriff's deputies with serving a search warrant." JCPD assisted b/c the house is in the city limits. If they assisted then why didn't they know which house was the right house is my only question? I am not saying anything bad about JCPD, they have done a lot of good things especially here lately with the drug problem. I personally think that they need to be harder on these drug dealers, especially the repeat offenders, so that they don't just keep getting out of jail, getting a slap on the wrist & then doing it all over again. " jj wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:29 PM: " Very Good "wrongiswrong". The Departments in Cole, Callaway, Boone County,Booneville PD and Highway patrol supply the man power that make up the Task Force. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:48 PM: " The Mustang Drug Task Force is a MULTI-jurisdictional investigative agency that is coordinated by a member from the Division of Drug and Crime Control.
That's the first thing you've said that's 100% true! (perhaps there's hope for you!)lol " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:43 PM: " I am in law enforcement, but not associated with JCPD. Once again, I'll ask, what is it you want. I've heard what your "friend" wants. Sounds like a sincere apology and fix the damage. They got that. You on the other hand will never be content. I don't know that the chief hasn't called. I agree he should, but that isn't going to matter to you whether he did or not. You've found your "cause". You'll never make a high profile mistake because you'll never be in a position where you might. Its much easier just to sit back and criticize. We'll keep fighting the monster, despite folks like you that couldn't care less.
" WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:42 PM: " The Mustang Drug Task Force is a MULTI-jurisdictional investigative agency that is coordinated by a member from the Division of Drug and Crime Control.
" jj wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:12 PM: " JcNative you are wrong. The search warrant executed in December at 728 Shawn dr was done by the Cole County Sheriffs Department and the MUSTANG Drug Task Force. The JCPD SWAT Team was not involved. That was the same address the JCPD was going after that night, the woops happened. They did not have the right intel obviousley and thats why they went to the wrong house. It was an accident! It shouldnt have happened, but i notice that the hundreds of good things the JCPD Swat team has done in the past has not been talked about, only the negative stuff. Keep your head up SWAT guys. You are still appreciated. Its typical for people to wanna talk about the bad stuff and drama,thantotalkaboutthegreatstuffthedepartmentsinColeCountydo " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:05 PM: " Sure you have McShiney. You wouldn't be so cavalier if you had. You seem to be watching each and every comment as if you were somehow involved in this JCPD- gone-wrong-athon?
You see McShiney, the party that WAS involved wants nothing from the JCPD but normal human compassion that MOST normal people have, you know, maybe a phone call from the Cheif asking if she is ok. WOW could it be that THAT is too much to ask in your holier than thou book? They DID owe her atleast that, despite what YOU may think. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 21, 2008 7:52 PM: " I HAVE had guns pointed at me Wrong-o and been shot at. Didn't need therapy....just suckked it up.
You act like I'm supporting their actions. I'm not. REPEAT, AM NOT! They messed up big time, however you act like somehow they need to summarily execute some officers at dawn to appease those that have a preconceived notion that the cops are by nature, bad. What do you want? Seriously, what exactly will satisfy you? Until they can turn back time, you just have to learn from mistakes and move on...hopefully, a bit wiser than before. " boxergal wrote on Feb 21, 2008 7:37 PM: " How sickening. Again, I will be suprised if there is no law suit. Those people will never get over that. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 21, 2008 7:32 PM: " You didn't have a GUN pointed at YOUR head either, did you McShiney? I didn't think so or you just might be a bit more compassionate if you had. I work with one of the persons who was AT the wrong residence and she has been TRAUMATIZED by this. So NO it is not ok. Not ONCE has anyone from the JCPD checked on them either to see if they are ok. Not ONCE. " traceyt wrote on Feb 21, 2008 7:31 PM: " JCNative is right.
newstribune.com/articles/2007/12/08/news_local/024local05raid.txt The police can fix my door afterwards. If they shoot me because I am trying to defend my family from home invasion, well that is a little harder to fix. Being a law abiding citizen, the police are the last ones I would expect to be kicking my door in. All I ask is a double or triple check (or whatever it takes) to make sure the address is correct. The police are an under appreciated group, and although there will always be a few jerks in uniform the huge majority of police officers are doing fantastic in a difficult job and I for one appreciate them very much. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 21, 2008 7:16 PM: " Darned right it could have happened and I'm certain NO ONE is more acutely aware of that than the jcpd staffers that planned the entry. The potential for disaster was huge, no question. I just take exception to those that are so eager to jump on the "hate on the cops" bandwagon when there's a error. Those same folks are content to Monday morning QB every move from the comfort of their own homes. It pretty easy to second guess actions the day after.
THEY MESSED UP. End of story. If they didn't learn from it, I'd say there was a problem. They will though. " kc911foryou wrote on Feb 21, 2008 7:05 PM: " jeffmoman made a good point: "What if they broke down the door of a def man, and he thought his house was being broke into and used a firearm to defend his property (he has that right now), then in return he gets shot". That could happen.
In defense of JCPD, they were acting in good faith based on an address and used newly available technology to identify the house. Unfortunately, that data base gave them incorrect information. I doubt they rely on that data base much in the future. The Chief says they repaired the damage,cleaned their mess and apologized. That's reasonable. This is a top notch Team. They'll do everything possible to see that something like this NEVER happens again. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:50 PM: " BINGO JCnative. Wrong house? *cough* They had been to the RIGHT house MULTIPLE MULTIPLE times. " JCnative wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:35 PM: " EVERYONE...LEND ME YOUR EARS!! What everyone is obviously not realizing is that just 2 months ago...in December of 2007, JCPD and MUSTANG taskforce raided a house at 728 Shawn Dr. and recovered drugs and drug paraphenalia!!! If this house was the same one they were going to raid this month, then my question is why didn't they know which house to raid??? Look back in the archives for December 2007 and it has the article there. SO.....why was an innocent family busted in on?? THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE!!! " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:34 PM: " yea...that's about what I expected.
(btw, call your probation officer) " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:24 PM: " yea....that's about what I expected.
(btw...call your probation officer!) " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:54 PM: " And Cinnamon, in answer to your earlier question, NO, the bad guy "got away", AGAIN. " WRONGisWRONG wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:48 PM: " Cinnamon,
Only a VERY SMALL part of this horrifying story could be told(Thank you Jeff for running it at all). What wasn't told would COMPLETELY terrify you and your ENTIRE neighborhood. You, the rest of the neighbors and everyone in Jefferson City deserves to know the WHOLE story that the JCPD and the city attorney conveniently left out. " plain_citizen wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:27 PM: " I would think that just bc the PD made a mistake you would not think that they are all messed up. Yes they do write tickets, yes they do enforce laws, and yes they do look out for others safety. I would be willing to bet that if you needed the PD for any reason what so ever you would not hesitate to call. If you dont have faith in our law enforcement here in Cole County and JC. Simple solution...MOVE " hasher28 wrote on Feb 21, 2008 2:40 PM: " I'm at odds. ByronW stated "what about the right to privacy?" Does that also apply to those who are pro-choice? You are cehemently agianst that -- what about the right to privacy? " Boscoe wrote on Feb 21, 2008 2:34 PM: " How much do they take in every month from all the parking tickets issued? " truthseeker wrote on Feb 21, 2008 1:38 PM: " Wow, this is a big one. BIG mistake that hopefully lessons will be learned from. The JCPD has taken responsibility for it at least and is according to the article trying to help the family who was wrongly raided in the middle of the night. If the family continues "to be gracious and understanding" and does not sue I hope the city will step up to the plate and help them get the counseling that being awaken at that time of the night with someone busting into your house will surely require at some point in time. (someone coming into your home)It is not something that will not cause stress and nightmares in the future for most people " go_fish wrote on Feb 21, 2008 1:00 PM: " Thank you DeputyDog for saying that, whether true or not true, the bottom line is JCPD is abusing their power, writing tickets every day for minor infractions for the purpose of revenue generation, and rarely for safety reasons. For example, pulling people over b/c they have a headlight out, as if the person driving isn't aware of it. I wonder if anyone has ever audited JCPD to ascertain what percentage of the cities revenue comes from traffic tickets? There is a law regarding that issue. It was intended to eliminate small town speed traps, but perhaps someone needs to look at the "big city" of Jefferson. " DeputyDog wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:47 PM: " The biggest problem the PD has is the ticket quota per officer. If they weren't required to write 180 tickets per officer per month they would have more time for planning and execution. " go_fish wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:44 PM: " Oh snap! Byron just threw a lit can of gasoline on this fire. Please do the right thing and ignore his opinion. Don't give him the satisfaction of any ranting. --Go_Fish, Not the online editor! LOL " Byron W. wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:28 PM: " why do they bother these people? they just want to use a little drugs in their own home. what about the right to privacy? " boxergal wrote on Feb 21, 2008 11:57 AM: " You will have to excuse me, I am very teritorial. That and we have had really bad luck with our local police. You are lucky to have the JCPD, very lucky. I guess what I should have said was, if it happened to me, in our area, I would have sued. But I still think it was something that could have been avoided. In this day and age its just common sense as to how to figure out address'. Gee, odd, even, odd, even. How hard is that one? " stop wrote on Feb 21, 2008 11:52 AM: " Stuff happens
Police did the right thing cleaning up the mess Resident is doing the right thing being understanding " J C Native wrote on Feb 21, 2008 11:46 AM: " So, a human mistake was made. Geez, if our JCPD never did anything mistakes would never happen! You best be glad they are out there doing their job and Yes, there will be a mistake made here and there. Nothing all that bad happened, the damage is paid for, etc. so why be "sue happy"? That's a huge problem in today's society! Thank you JCPD for all you do to help our city and residents. You are appreciated by far more than those exceptional few that will complain about anything; right or wrong. Hold your head high JCPD and continue to do the exceptional job you have done for many years! " boxergal wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:39 AM: " Boomer - suing is not about a fast buck, its about peace of mind. A fast buck means nothing to me, don't need it, sorry. Peace of mind, I need. " boxergal wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:35 AM: " And by the way, I should have sued the drug dealer for harrassment. I wouldn't treat a dog the way we were treated. Whats the statute of limitations on that? I may still sue. " boxergal wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:34 AM: " Boomer - You are talking to the wrong person. I had a meth dealer two doors down. I have repeated this story over and over. It ended with two HS police getting fired over a botched incident. I admire the JCPD totally but don't even begin to talk to me about the HS police dept. I lived in fear for five long years so I have been there, done that, with absolutely NO help. " boxergal wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:30 AM: " Cinnamon - I would call the police dept. and demand to know. I am sorry, this is a joke. " boxergal wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:28 AM: " Thats just unbelieve MOchick. My worst fear as I had meth neighbors living two doors down from me. " Cinnamon wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:04 AM: " How about the rest of the story? Which house SHOULD have been raided? I live nearby and would like to know if the bad guys got busted! " Missourichick24 wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:59 AM: " "Very rarely happens" Please I remember not to long ago I had the police SWAT banging on my door and coming through my house looking for someone that I don't even know. They said they had been staking the house for 6 months. Wouldn't they have found in that 6 months that a large black male was not living here. We didn't get an
Apology. We had to go around to our neighbor's and let them know way there was a SWAT team and a camera on our front lawn. Watch out americans the mistake could happen to your family and home. " boomer wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:25 AM: " Well there’s no doubt at least one if not a dozen ordinance’s that cover having the address displayed on the property, but unfortunately, most drug dealers choose to ignore those pesky ordinances, just like lots of regular home owners. If you’re worried about getting “raided “ by mistake, it might be a good idea to be sure your place is numbered clearly. " Boscoe wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:22 AM: " Maybe they KNEW they had the wrong house but went forward with the raid anyway... " go_fish wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:59 AM: " And one more thing...addresses people, addresses! If your not sure of the picture, look at the address, and if you're not sure...STOP, WAIT! I sure hope no angry neighbor/friend gives a 'tip' about my house that results in a search warrant. " boomer wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:58 AM: " So who you gonna sue when the drug dealer moves in next door? " go_fish wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:56 AM: " I agree Boscoe it's a total COP out to infer that the mistake was made due to the wrong picture from the assessors office. It appears instead that no one from the PD bothered to drive by and look at the residence or pose as a real estate agent and take their own pictures. Maybe the SWAT team commander will be relagated to writing an excessive amount of revenue generating traffic tickets like the rest of JCPD. Yes Shiny, there are some good cops, but my comments are a reflection of the organization, not the individual. " boomer wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:56 AM: " You’re right chi, what we have here is simply collateral damage and as a society that disparately needs law enforcement we’ll have to consider this unfortunate incident as just that. I am grateful for the hard work and diligence of all law enforcement personnel that take that job on. As for suing the JCPD, what message does that send that they don’t already have? Maybe you just want to make a fast buck? Sounds like the kind of person that’d sue the Fire Dept. for cutting a hole in the roof when putting out a fire, right? " hasher28 wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:49 AM: " The residents have been gracious and understanding. If they are willing (or so it appears) to drop the subject so be it. Why sue? To get some taxpayer money? Be realistic folks, have you ever made a mistake and been forgiven? I have and probably will again. " chi-town wrote on Feb 21, 2008 7:49 AM: " I think we should totally disband and eliminate the Police and Sheriff's Departments here. That way we would could definately eliminate these types of occurances. Course the real bad guys would be kickin our doors in then, but, look on the bright side, we couldn't talk trash on them, or sue 'em. Maybe get of the Assessor's Office while we're at it, oh, and we wouldn't have to worry about parks and trails and what not because everyone would be afraid to use them. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 20, 2008 10:30 PM: " any idea how many search warrants are served around the country? How many police officers do it RIGHT EVERY FREAKING DAY? Doesn't matter though. There's plenty there that will jump at any opportunity to find fault. The JCPD dropped the ball here. I agree. But, let's not make the quantum leap that since it happened here once...EVER, its bound to happen again just around the corner.
Its unreasonable to paint all cops with the brush of incompetence based on your personal bias. They're used to being unappreciated. " boxergal wrote on Feb 20, 2008 9:27 PM: " I agree. I wonder how badly they trashed the house. Sorry, call me mean, but I would sue. " blkpag1 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 9:27 PM: " Minneapolis back in December.
Wichita back in December (man was deaf and they tasered him while holding a towel). Accokeek back in November. I could go on for hours and pull up news reports for days. This might be the first here but it probably won't be the last. " boscoe wrote on Feb 20, 2008 9:01 PM: " You know, something smells real fishy about this story the more I think about it. Why did the cops need a picture from the Assessor's office in the first place? Didn't the cops stake the place out before ramming the door and busting in at 1:30 a.m.? What evidence beyond a reasonable doubt did the cops have for raiding the house? Wouldn't they check out a tip or use their undercover to verify the house? I'm kind of thinking that some JCPD supervisor should take a severe reprimand over this deal. Someone's head should roll over this really stupid violation of the poor homeowner's rights. It sounds like the PD is trying to blame the Assessor, which is even way more stupid. " boxergal wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:40 PM: " I don't expect perfection out of anyone. But this is kind of scary. I can't remember what town, it was like Versailles or somewhere like that. They used a battering ram on an apartment that was rented by a little old lady. I think it just about sent her into a full blown coronary. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:22 PM: " You bet they could be sued...maybe should be, don't know. All I know is we expect perfection from the police and its unrealistic. This could have been avoided with some additional oversights. No excuses here.....I simply accept that anytime you have people making decisions, they are subject to human error.
What "local yokal" dept was it? Not that I'm a doubter, but I don't recall anything of the sort. What were the details? " boxergal wrote on Feb 20, 2008 7:07 PM: " Shiney - trust me, it happened in a small town nearby. Not JCPD but another local yocal police dept. They were sued over it. STUPID. " boxergal wrote on Feb 20, 2008 7:06 PM: " They will be lucky if they aren't sued over this. A relative of mine handled a case in another small town where this happened. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 20, 2008 6:51 PM: " WITHOUT A DOUBT, they should have checked, double checked, then checked once again, but they didn't. Your example of somebody getting hurt (whether it be the landowner or the cops) in a mistaken identity should give the planners of this foul-up nightmares for months!
Where's your data that would indicate some dramatic increase in these incidents? I've been in this area for years and its the first time I EVER remember anything like this in the mid-mo area, let alone JCMO. Its easy to blame the cops for all the world's ills...gutless, but easy. " Boscoe wrote on Feb 20, 2008 6:28 PM: " Why doesn't the police and sheriff's dept. have GPS systems and access to the same GPS database?
This is just another example of local governments being more concerned with GETTING THE MONEY (Assessor's office has GPS system) than providing services and proper law enforcement. Every cop and every patrol car should have laptop computers and GPS systems with access to common community databases. Oh, I forgot: We need to build more parks and trails, and we also need to buy up every building we can get near city hall and the courthouse, as well as construct huge garages to hide from view all the brand-new vehicles that our local governments keep buying. " blkpag1 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 6:16 PM: " With the increasing number of "accidental" raids happening all across the nation, and the number of innocent people being injured and killed, all law enforcement agencies should have already taken notice and attempted to put measures in place to prevent this. Yes they took responsiblilty, but unfortunately JCPD leadership should have been proactive on this one and not waited until this happened.
Did anyone think to look to see if there were street numbers right before they unlawfully broke into a house? " jeffmoman wrote on Feb 20, 2008 5:43 PM: " Maybe there is something behind the fact that throwing rocks at cops is practically a national pastime? " jeffmoman wrote on Feb 20, 2008 5:40 PM: " You would think that EVERY precaution would be taken, since you are putting both the landowners and your men in danger. What if they broke down the door of a def man, and he thought his house was being broke into and used a firearm to defend his property (he has that right now), then in return he gets shot....I know its the worse case scenario, but it could happen. " shinymcshine wrote on Feb 20, 2008 5:30 PM: " You've got to be kidding me blkpag!!! I'm not defending the mistake but do you think they didn't consider that! Mistake...HUGE MISTAKE, and you can bet NO one is beating themselves up more than the cops that put it together. Its embarassing and could have been REALLY bad. This is a VERY rare occurance but when you have people involved, you're going to occassionally have human error. The key in my mind is they stepped up, took responsibility for it and no doubt they'll learn from it.
It'll be easy to throw rocks at the police...its nearly a national pastime. I just hope the public is realisitic enough to exercise some understanding. " |
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