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Lawmaker continues his pursuit of a Missouri apology for slavery

By Chris Blank
Associated Press
Published: Sunday, January 13, 2008 3:21 PM CST
A St. Louis legislator said last week that he again will try to have the state apologize for slavery.

Democratic Rep. Talibdin El-Amin said apologizing for and acknowledging slavery would help heal wounds in a state that was so divided during the Civil War that it sent soldiers to both sides. Last session, a similar resolution gained support from many Republicans - including House Speaker Rod Jetton from Marble Hill - but was never debated on the floor.

El-Amin said he plans to file a similar measure next week but is willing to make some changes to help secure passage.

“Of course I want to see successful passage, but not where it waters down to where the primary intent is to make people feel good,” he said.

A draft version of the resolution explains the history of Missouri slavery while saying that “perpetual pain, distrust and bitterness” could be relieved while helping unify Missourians.

Lawmakers in Alabama, Maryland, New Jersey, North Carolina and Virginia have already issued formal slavery apologies.


The Republican-controlled chamber in Missouri last year created a committee headed by El-Amin to study the issue before the 2008 session. But some Republican committee members want to “express regret” or “remorse” rather than apologize. Others say there should be a provision that would prevent lawsuits.

Rep. Rob Schaaf said racist policies and laws have been scrubbed from state government and that it's impossible for current lawmakers to apologize for the actions of past legislatures.

“I feel that an apology is a change of heart and a request for forgiveness,” said Schaaf, R-St. Joseph. “And a request for forgiveness is a promise to never do it again and to make things whole, which is a step toward reparations.”

El-Amin said the resolution is about acknowledging a wrong and shouldn't delve into economic and legal issues. He said he intentionally avoided the debate surrounding slavery reparations and called a provision dealing with lawsuits an attempt to “interject a ghost argument.”

Rep. Leonard Hughes said he doubted people would start suing states. Hughes, D-Kansas City, said that if he were to seek reparations he would turn to businesses who profited from slave labor and not the state.

“I'd rather go after corporate money than the state because they had the slaves - the state didn't have slaves,” Hughes said.

Discussion about the lawsuit provision was sparked by an element of the New Jersey apology that prevents the resolution from being used in litigation.

Rep. Doug Funderburk, who also served on the interim committee, said he can support the resolution with some changes - including the lawsuit protection. He said that's needed because the purpose is to address slavery and not open the door to reparations, which would punish current taxpayers for the sins of past legislatures.

Funderburk, who said his family has ties to slavery in Mississippi, said he's concerned the resolution could remove policies from their historical context. He suggested numerous edits to El-Amin's draft to remove some subjective statements and to add an acknowledgment of the almost 14,000 Missourians who died during the Civil War.

“There is not a fiber in my body that thinks slavery is OK ... but I don't know if I was raised in the 1820s or 1840s that I would have that same perspective,” said Funderburk, R-St. Peters.



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chi-town wrote on Jan 24, 2008 7:36 PM:

" Google him up and see what you think.... "

omygoodness wrote on Jan 24, 2008 6:57 PM:

" Is this what the people of this man's district elected him to do for their district, ? , or did they elect him to represent the needs of this district. How will his district patrons benefit from this ? "

chi-town wrote on Jan 24, 2008 7:33 AM:

" My thoughts exactly NDNL - Insightful post. "

NDNLVNGCHEROKEE wrote on Jan 23, 2008 10:32 PM:

" our children what the wrongs of yesterday were so they arent repeated again. Everyone is brother and sister to the next and its time we all start remembering that. Take the time to stand back and watch a group of 1-4yr olds when they play they dont see color they see their friends...maybe we need to start looking and learning from them. God Bless to you all. "

NDNLVNGCHEROKEE wrote on Jan 23, 2008 10:31 PM:

" It is very hard to go back and apologize to those of the past. We all have a past. I didnt own slaves and neither did my family at anytime so why should because I have a certain race in my background be made to feel like I have to apologize for wrongs done 150 yrs ago. With that said the apologizes should come from all sides. There is racism alive in ALL races not just one. Coming from someone with a very mixed background if I waited for everyone to say sorry to everything that happened to my ancestors I would be waiting till the end of time. Its time we all stand up and take responsibility for what we do today and teach... "

mariab wrote on Jan 22, 2008 8:11 PM:

" Dear online editor: I haven't peeked down far enough in the posts to pick out the perpetrators of the personal puffery parrying, but I sure did enjoy the alliterative note. "

online_editor wrote on Jan 22, 2008 5:25 PM:

" If you've posted numerous times in this discussion, I would suggest it's time to move on by agreeing to disagree with those with whom you're engaging in a style of parrying which includes condescension and personal puffery. Thanks. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

chitown wrote on Jan 22, 2008 5:25 PM:

" Still upset about that casino aren't you Byrie? "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 22, 2008 4:17 PM:

" chitown wrote "you have an agenda and a platform and believe and are convinced that you are so right, to point you cannot see or understand how others would disagree with your world viewpoint."

you must be lookin' in a mirror. "

chitown wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:42 PM:

" You correct in one sense. Racism is alive and well and perpetuated by those such as you who claim permanent and selective victimhood. I would encourage you also to take your own advice and focus on the future. One in which you would preferably consider others viewpoint in the same high esteem as you hold you own. "

chitown wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:40 PM:

" 1957 - If you read my post, which you may have and then intepreted in you own way, you would have realized that I said if any one picked cotton for the Massa they would have to be over 150 years old because Massa went away at the end of the civil war. Read and understand dont place your owns words in there and attribute them to me. As usual your post is disjointed and difficult to decipher, probably my fault from away back. I would encourage you read the other posts I have here and comment on them in a well mannered and thoughtful way. I notice you conveniently ignore construtive arguments that rebutt your agenda. Be calm and realize you're wrong. "

1957 wrote on Jan 22, 2008 2:05 PM:

" chitown What is your real malfunction? It is totallity asinine to say someone would have to be over 150 yrs old to havre picked cotton,that in itself shows how out of touch you are with reality.Slavery was abolished almost 150 years ago and has nothing to do with life today. Let's encourage our elected officials to focus on today's issues and their resolution rather than revisit the past. Apologizing for past mistakes is a road without end and one best not traveled at all.Robert L I must say take off your Blinders .and look at reality Racisim is ALIVE and CONTINUED!! "
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chitown wrote on Jan 21, 2008 9:46 PM:

" The difference between your argument and mine WOW, is that you have an agenda and a platform and believe and are convinced that you are so right, to point you cannot see or understand how others would disagree with your world viewpoint. ERGO: your whine to the Editor and the cartoon reference. I on the other hand do disagree and and have pointed out numerouse reason why your argument is invalid. I have no agenda or soapbox. I simply believe that all people have been victimized and deserve equal apology and equal treatment. I mean after all, isn't that your argument and goal, equality? "

chitown wrote on Jan 21, 2008 9:10 PM:

" WOW - One thing you must understand is that my feelings on this issue did not come from the way I was raised or what I've been taught, (as is always the accusation) rather, it came from interaction and contact with people such as you, with the permanant vitimization and entitlement mantality agenda, who who felt racism directed at others was perfectly legitimate and should not be questioned. The issue stand comes from experience, knowledge, and insight gained from being in the forefront of these types of situations, in ways you cannot image, but only read and postulate about. Your message has been heard and rejected based on logic and reality. Nice Scream... "

chitown wrote on Jan 21, 2008 8:57 PM:

" You got your message across and it was soundly refuted by experience, knowledge, education, and experience.
I did enjoy the scream though, thanks.. I might say that any feelings I have on this issue did not come from the way I was raised or by what I was taught. It came from direct contact with people like you and your beliefs. "

wow wrote on Jan 21, 2008 5:28 PM:

" Anytime innocent people are killed it's tragic, no matter who the victims are. But before I go further, Mr. Editor I tried on several occasions and this is what I ended up with, I wish you all well, the apology isn't needed for slavery and I hope the youth actually benefit from our mistakes. Finally, Chi-Town, I have nothing else to say to you other than the reply used by the famous Peanuts Character "Charlie Brown". That phrase which "Ole Chuck" shouted when ever he felt like he wasn't getting his message across is exactly how I feel right now dealing with you. So, I'm ending with a resounding, AAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!! "

chitown wrote on Jan 21, 2008 4:28 PM:

" I understand the accusation of the inability to read and comprehend means that I have insightfuly noted your true meaning and agenda. I take it as a compliment, Thank You! I can assure that no mistake was made in reading what you wrote. The mistake that was made was for you to again expose yourself and your belief in selective victimaztion. Not complicated or set in my way, but a true victim of the racism and race riots that occurred before you were born and knowing the pedastel you place youraelf on is covered by the blood of other races. I notice you did not address the 6 million murdered human beings I spoke of. Convenient and telling... "

wow wrote on Jan 21, 2008 3:36 PM:

" Chi-Town, you stated that I should stop complaining and provide possible solutions 2this problem. I did that. You told me 2think in the future and not the past. I've done that2. Now based on you inability 2read and comprehend correctly, you insist that I'm not telling the truth. Even when it's obvious that you made the mistake of reading into my statements what you wanted to hear. There's no way anyone could overcome that. So therefore, I'll accept that you are what you are...complicated and set in your ways. Regardless of what you think, I still believe in a better future for everyone. Best wishes. "

chitown wrote on Jan 21, 2008 7:33 AM:

" No need to check with you about anything WOW. You have presented so many falsehoods and untruths in your posts that I cannot understand how anyone could decipher or admit to anything you say. The premise of slavery being an unforgiveable part of our history is true, however, those who argue in falacy as you do, belittle those who have suffered and only perpetuates racism. Comparative and selective victimization is this, Hitler killed 6 million Jewish citizens in 10 years, which is more than the entire black population of the United States before the Civil War. Also, there are those who have suffered on the other side of this issue who don't chose to select victim status because they have a life to live. "

wow wrote on Jan 20, 2008 10:52 PM:

" It's easy, I mentioned several well known events that have taken place in America and then I stated "Well a few of those very things have happened 2me". A few of those, not all, a few. Just for you, I've experienced everything except pickin massa's cotton, but you should've been able to figure that out, that is of course if you had wanted to. Yes Chi-Town it's all about wanting to, something other's have tried getting you to understand and admit. I don't know if you'll change your view now. But what I do hope is before you tell me what I have and have not experienced again. I'd hope you'd check with me first. "

chitown wrote on Jan 20, 2008 6:14 PM:

" OK Explain the cottin pickin thing then.. "

wow wrote on Jan 20, 2008 6:12 PM:

" Chi-Town, slow down and please re-read my comment of "Experience, does that mean I have 2have actually been called boy and made 2pick cotton 4old massa? Does not being able 2swim in the Nashville public swimming pool with the other kids count as experience? Perhaps I need 2have been beaten myself? Well a few of those very things have happened 2me". A few things have happened to me, which of those things do you think I referred to. Again it goes back to people have to want to change and find the truth...Oh well I'm outta here. Besides things are really bad when Chain Saw attacks are taking place in New Bloomfield, Missouri. May go have mercy on us-all. "

chitown wrote on Jan 20, 2008 12:32 PM:

" There is a differenc ebetween racism and reality. The vast majority of us struggle through the unfairness, inequities, and the travails of life and have the courage to overcome the obstacles in our way. That is reality. Then there are those among us who experience these setbacks and believe they are caused by the color of their skin and expect the rest of to apologize and pay for their lack of fortitude. That is racism. Comparative and seletive victimization is racism. To suggest that those among us who have ancestors who fought and died to end slavery, now must apologize and pay for it, is beyond the pale of human understanding. I would suggest we start with tribes in Africa who sold the slaves. "

chitown wrote on Jan 20, 2008 12:26 PM:

" WOW - I have followed you post on several subjects over the past few days and the clues you have left reveal that are simply not old enough to have witnessed the inflamatory events you describe. They are taken from books and movies you have seen or inflamatory race rhetoric you have listened to. I am not saying they did not occur in the past, I am just saying you have not revealed the truth in either your prior posts or this one. If you picked cotton for "masa" you would have had to have been over 150 years old by now.. "

RobertL wrote on Jan 20, 2008 11:23 AM:

" Before this forum closes I'd like to say this is a HUGE waste of time. There are many issues that should be focused on and dealt with in the legislature and this type of distraction should be dropped immediately.

Slavery was abolished almost 150 years ago and has nothing to do with life today. Let's encourage our elected officials to focus on today's issues and their resolution rather than revisit the past. Apologizing for past mistakes is a road without end and one best not traveled at all. "

wow wrote on Jan 20, 2008 9:44 AM:

" Experience, does that mean I have 2have actually been called boy and made 2pick cotton 4old massa? Does not being able 2swim in the Nashville public swimming pool with the other kids count as experience? Perhaps I need 2have been beaten myself? Well a few of those very things have happened 2me. But just like my relatives, I'm not seeking revenge, I'm focused on working so that we all can enjoy a better life. Which is why I encourage all parents to vacinate their children against what I call the "ism virus". This anti-biotic defeats sexism, racism, eliteism, etc, etc, etc, and will help make a better future-for-all. "

wow wrote on Jan 20, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Experience you say. Well I've seen the physical/mental scares several relatives received due to ism's/hate. Ya see, they were beaten and almost died because some hater's didn't like seeing Negro's in military uniform. I didn't see the physical beatings, but I did see the disfigured limbs and other scars on their bodies. Yet what amazed me most was that my grandpa, uncle and father-in-law never sought revenge and said they served 2defeat an enemy overseas and here in America. I did see the white/black only signs and water hosed, dog bitten, billy-clubbed, peaceful black and white civil rights demonstrators. I've also sat at the back of the bus and classroom. -cont- "

chitown wrote on Jan 19, 2008 11:15 AM:

" WOW - I apologize for not immediately posting to your suggestion, I find your posts difficult to read so that might be the reason. Anyway, I think that is a fine idea. Providing we include "all" hate mongers, not just the one you select. As for "ism" or whatever you call it.... You really need to put some age and experience together before you comment on issues you have been indoctrinated in, but have no knowledge of.
Let's be friends! "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:32 PM:

" Chi-town...you may not realize it, but it's quite possible that you have been contaminated with that Ism Virus. If so, don't fret because there's still hope that you can be vaccinated and have a full recovery. All you have 2do is want 2change, want 2help make things better 4someone other than your family and friends and want 2stand up
2those that base everything on Ism values. Now I know we've disagreed on a few things, but I can assure you that I'm here 2help make a better future and I'd like 2see everyone benefit. So my question 2you is simple, where do we go from here? "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:15 PM:

" Chi-Town, you never replied 2my suggestion of educating young people about the hate monger's. Perhaps you'd like 2share the reason why? You asked me 2stop complaining and give a solution 2the problem. Well I did that and still it doesn't seem 2be good enough 4you. Your hold card was peeped long ago, it's your way or no way. Oh well, there's some traffic that needs directing, please feel free 2tend 2that.
Unreconstructed it's people like you that make me believe in a better future. I agree hard work and determination can make a difference, but again it has
2be a want 2succeed, want 2change thing. Looks like we'll be enjoying another coffee moment after all. Best wishes.
"

Boscoe wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:39 PM:

" Its like saying that no one can become a slave unless they allow themselves to become a slave-- "give me freedom or give me death"? "

chitown wrote on Jan 18, 2008 9:13 PM:

" WOW - If you are the youth of the future - I pray for the future! "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:21 PM:

" Look, no one said life is fair! I put myself through college the hard way, working crappy jobs and going to school part time at night. But I did it, and if I can do it, trust me, anyone can. But to blame the mean, old, rich folks for holding you back is wrong. You see, it's in the human spirit to make it on your own, IN SPITE OF THE SYSTEM. Somehow we've gotten off topic from the original slavery apology, but it was a logical progression I guess. I'll always by you that cup of coffee, wow, not to worry. "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:19 PM:

" Yes hard work and determination helps, but it's not a guarantee of equality. I agree with your positive outlook and I'm willing 2help make things right for everyone, but I realize as it stands right now, things are not the least bit fair. Perhaps in time, but only after the Ism disease is wiped out, but given it's been around for centuries, it will take a few generations N order2 eradicate. The secret is the youth, we have 2make sure they do not become contaminated with the same virus that has infected past generations. We do that by vacinating their, hearts and minds against the ignorance and hate we know is real. It won't be easy, but-we-can do-it! "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:06 PM:

" Unreconstructed, after I say this you may not want 2share another cup of coffee, but I have 2say it anyway. Remember I'm about vacinating every1 against the "Ism Virus". This world is not fair, nor is America, just take a look around you, listen/look at 2the things people say/do 2each other. Fair,,,,far from it, which is why discussions like this are quite regular. Now from our earlier exchange I don't include you in the group of money hungry, non caring, self centered, manure stirring, people who run this planet and America. But please make no mistake these type of people exist and they're distracting society by keeping people at each other's throat while they get richer. -cont- "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 18, 2008 7:59 PM:

" I wish you no ill will 1957, really. Instead, I wish for all of us to make it, but make it the right way, through determination and hard work. I don't believe in handouts or free rides or complaining about how tough it is. It's a tough world out there, we all just do the best we can. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 18, 2008 7:48 PM:

" 1957 - nice try, but the question to you is who runs this country in your opinion? You see, I believe that regardless of one's race, religion, etc., that anyone in this country can make it. Takes hard work, and it's not easy, but it can be done. To complain about a level playing field is a cop out. We all make our own destinys. My brain and my heart believes in the human race and what we all can do for ourselves. This country offers the same to everyone, everyone that is willing to try hard. "

1957 wrote on Jan 18, 2008 7:05 PM:

" unreconstructed .....Is it your brain or your heart "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 6:58 PM:

" If you would please read my comments beginning Jan 18, 8:42AM....you asked what can be done to help resolve this issue. Is what I'm proposing something you can agree with and will make happen? Or will you sit on side lines and expect everyone else to find a solution. Either way, it's your choice, also if you have a better idea, I'm open to suggestions. "

chitown wrote on Jan 18, 2008 4:39 PM:

" 1957 - Didn't understand word you wrote but thanks for the effort. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 18, 2008 3:11 PM:

" Whoops, I guess I've forgotten. Just who runs "all" in this country? Al Sharpton? "

1957 wrote on Jan 18, 2008 3:07 PM:

" Am I looking for reparations? not really just an even and fair playing field..Let's not forget who runs all in this country !! "

1957 wrote on Jan 18, 2008 2:45 PM:

" Hello Well Chi as usual read and decipher!!! I ststed that Blacks along with other orgins have had issues. Remnants = remains ,the after effects ,the trickle down ....Not one of you again, can honestly say if were you or your people that you would not have some discord in you. yes stride have been made but take off the Rose Colored Glasses! No one is blaming you all but what happened,happened.The same ugly hatred is showing it's head again and again.look at the statistics over all lool at the continued disparities.What is real is real.cont'd "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Oh and Unreconstructed, even though I'm not a regular Joe drinker. I certainly enjoyed that coffee. Just the right amount of coffee, cream and sugar. I get the impression you've already gotten your dosage of meds agianst the ism virus, but please encourage other's you know to make sure their family memeber's are vacinated as well. It will do a world of good in the long run. Best wishes in 2008 and beyond. "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:31 AM:

" Unreconstructed, I'm not focusing on the apology issue anymore. I'm submitting 2the masses a realisic cost effective means in which "we adults" can help make sure future generations don't inherit the mess past generations have. That's why I'm encouraging more people 2get innoculated against the ism virus. Of course I'm starting at home 4obvious reasons. I feel the more this anti ism vacine is used, the sooner this deadly virus can once and 4all be eliminated;
therfore resolving all other ism related issues. Once that happens people will want2 and actaully do the right thing...whatever that is. Point is ism's will be a thing of the past and that's what's most important 2day and 4the future generations. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:54 AM:

" Well... that was quite a soapbox speech Wow. But that's ok, we are all entitled to get up on the soapbox every now and then. Couple of observations, "isms" cut in many directions, including "rac-ism". So does tolerance. Neither are a one way street. I think that it's safe to say that I will agree to disagree with you and others about the apology for slavery, and I will continue to believe it's a bad idea. That being said, I believe you are good and kind person with a very good heart. We will probably never knowingly meet, so I will just have to buy you a "virtual" cup of coffee for now. "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:07 AM:

" It will not cost a dime 2vacinate our families against the Ism Virus. Everything we need, we already have or can get. We need a pair of open eyes and an open mind, a forgiving heart, a smidge of common sense and the willingness to want to understand and change. Of course we must put this all into action, through word and deed. Yes we've made progress, but it's still sad, that after years and several genrations we currently have not overcome the ism's that we all know has caused so much hurt. 4 us who want to make things better. Let's make sure our kids and their kids and so on are correctly vacinated. Best wishes. "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Insist they teach their offspring 2follow those guidelines. Of course some adjusting may need 2happen as later generations will be the humans that inhabit other planets, glaxies and such. Tolerance and equality will certainly take on new heights as humans are introduced 2new life forms. Sure that may be a bit Trekish, but it's not beyond comprehension. Remember when pay phones were the newest sesation? As I come down off my soap box, let me end with this. Ism's are real and have survived generations because they've been taught. Generation upon generation have been contiminated with this deadly virus, which won't be instantly wiped-out. Yet if parents continue vacinating their offspring against this disease. We all will-over-come and-know-the-true-menaing-of-love.
-cont- "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 9:29 AM:

" Teach your offspring that even though they're doing the hard right, there will be those that choose 2do the easy wrong. This is where it may get tricky. When you're confronted with "why is Uncle so and so or but he's a preacher or she's a cop or that family has supported this communtiy and this family for so long" tell your offspring even thoigh these people may be so close, if they base their likes and dislikes on skin color, race, religion, econimic status, etc, etc, etc, then they are wrong. Also explain 2your loved ones that even though you're proud they've become good prodcutive citizens, you will be most delighted knowing that they will also teach -cont- "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 9:01 AM:

" Good you're stiil here:) As I said ism's are not a natural thing, they are a human creation which have been passed on from generation 2generation, which also means that if the older generation really wants ism's 2cease, here's a cost free, simple to administer antidote. Older rational people who want things
2change 4the better must start with their off spring. Teach them through word and deed 2treat people with respect and 2expect the same in return. Show them how 2stand in support of equality 4everyone not just fmaily and friends. Teach them that good and bad is not based on skin color, economic status, religion, etc,etc, etc. -cont- "

wow wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:42 AM:

" Let me try it this way. We all agree that even though bad things happend in the past, we should look forward 2making a better future. Each of has made some very good points 4and against the apology issue; however the desired results have'nt materialized. The fact that this conversation is happening leads me 2believe that old ism's are still causing division between us. Here's a possible solution to promote a positive change. 1st, realize, ism's are not inherited, they're taught and unfortunantly far 2many in the older generations have been indoctrinated with that type of evilness. Please stay with me on this, cause we all have our demons with this issue. -cont- "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:10 PM:

" Most of the ancestors of slaves are now better off because of slavery because they now live in the best country in the world where no one goes hungry and everyone has opportunity to better themselves. Even the poor in the US have things that 30 years ago were considered luxuries of the very wealthy. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:08 PM:

" The Bible talks a whole lot about slaves, and I don't recall Jesus saying much bad about slavery. Not that I am for slavery or think it is a good idea. I just think that these things that happened generations ago need to be forgotten and that it is a sin for someone to try to profit from something that happened to his or her ancestors, but not him or herself. Yes, slavery in the US was a bad deal, but it is over, so it is time for folks to get over it. Time to look forward and focus on the future, not to rip off scabs and open old wounds. Bad stuff happened to all our ancestors "

chitown wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:20 PM:

" The Government of the fine City of Jefferson we live will celebrate MLK Day with a holiday for its employees. However, due respect is not given to George Washington's birthday or Abe Lincolns'. And they still aint satisfied. Is this racism? We ignore the first president of the country, ignore Abe's who some people credit with ending slavery, but we celebrate having a woman in every church. PC is alive and well. "

chitown wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:39 PM:

" Read the history of this country 1957 not just the history selective to your agenda. Despicable yes, but it didn't happen to just one race. But whats the use. You been taught you are victim so you will remain with that metality . Why dont you all just man or woman or both, make your own history and take advantage of the opportunies you have. Work and endure like the rest of who dont flaunt victimhood to beg the government for. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 17, 2008 2:55 PM:

" 1957 - Obviously, you weren't hung, lynched, etc. (which I'm very glad you weren't, by the way). So I guess I still don't see how this apology will help those here today, none of which were slaves. Let me ask you this, do you believe that reparations are in order? If so, for who? "

Citizen-JC wrote on Jan 17, 2008 2:26 PM:

" 1. slavery is bad...2. It was abolished...3. Nobody alive today owned slaves or was a slave........Why are our elected public officials killing trees with paper forms and wasting our tax paying money on ridiculous stuff that is a non issue? "

1957 wrote on Jan 17, 2008 2:26 PM:

" Hi,Chi Well I never said I felt sorry for anyone. The real question is if you never walked a mile in someone else shoes you have no idea of how they feel or what they went through .It can be said for Black White Hispanic,Asian ,Indians ect; but because a person voices their feelings does not make them racsit.Again to be Lynched and Hung from a tree,murdered,treated like garbage,because of the color of your skin!!! Al of you that are hollering racist just put yourselves in that arena and honestly say you would have no ill feelings of the stigma that was left. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:26 AM:

" Sid bar: 1865 January 11 Slavery was abolished in Missouri by an ordinance of immediate emancipation, making Missouri the first slave state to emancipate its slaves before the adoption of the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution. Doesn’t that show Missouri made the needed effort to move ahead even then?
Does anyone know, has Ohio and Indiana made an apology for having enacted laws that prohibited free blacks from settling in those states all together?
"

Boomer wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:26 AM:

" So my question is, how can an apology from a government body today, that doesn’t often reflect the feeling of the everyday person it represents going to be of any benefit to anyone when it’s directed to no one in peticuler? Especially when the wrong was done over a hundred years ago, and neither, those wronged or the government officials that did that still exist today? It wasn’t my government that allowed slavery, and it wasn’t my government that supported “free soil” either. “Show me” the money’s where this is headed "

Boomer wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:25 AM:

" It has been noted that our governments stated views and practices are often not much in tune with the will of “We the people”. National level, Iraq or maybe Vietnam, Mo., Healthcare, or illegal aliens. Local, turning drug dealers loose time and time again, and Senators obviously getting treated different than the general public, and our gas prices. The federal law that required law enforcement and the military along with the general population to help return runaway slaves is another example. It was very unpopular but was passed to appease the South. It was largely ignored because common citizens knew it was wrong. "

chitown wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:55 AM:

" It never cease to amaze me that there are those of us who discuss this issue and then we have those who constantly accuse oponents of being blind and racist because we dont see their point of view. Of course they refuse to engage in any meanful dialouge that they disagree with but it is us who do not understand. The worst thing you can do is prove a zealot wrong or reveal thier real agenda! I next to OLDMAN fire away, I've been shot before.... "

chitown wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:48 AM:

" OLDMAN - We share the same experiences and the same uniform. I've lived through the years and sixties before these people here were even born and served in three wars. I know the past and have lived through all of it. Nothing needs to be explained to me because I know the drill and the self righteous pose of those who intend to inflict their will upon us. What we see is the result of government programs, government schools, government welfare,and the culture of victimization. Who has been hurt more than who and how much money can I get for it. Why should i become self sufficient and live my own life while I have the government to do it for me. "

chitown wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:40 AM:

" This issue shows why we still have racism in this country. Rather than build on the future and the successes we have had, we instead argue over such racist divise issues like this, when there is abosulutely no need to. We open old wounds, pour salt, then cry help me. Comparative suffering and selective victimization. The government must help us because we cant help ourself. Those of us that have the intestinal fortitude and courage to work through the obstacles and hateful things that have been placed in front of us in our lives simply cannot understand why you would want the government to say "I'm sorry" for you because you aren't good enough to do things on your own. "

oldman wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:37 AM:

" y'all go have fun with my posts now - call me names and whatever. I got work to do. Doubt I'll be back to this one. "

oldman wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:36 AM:

" You want to know the truth - the most conscientious leader I met was not Norman Schwarzkopf or George Bushes (met both), it was Colin Powell when he was commander of Forces Command. He didn't care about rank or color, he cared about the uniform and who was in it, and if they were compentent; if they were, he recognized and acknowledged it. More than I can can for some of the others. "

oldman wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:31 AM:

" I'm from Central MO and have spent my last 33 years in uniform (still in, too), served under and led great men and women. I could give a rip what color, creed, or country they or anyone else came from - if they wear the uniform they get my vote of confidence until they fail. May sound backward, but pride in country is first in my book. If they or I fail as a leader, make adjustments and drive on. Many of YOU in this post aren't past the color barrier, yet you allege that it's the others who have the problem. BTW Good comment Mariab - At a certain point, one makes a choice not to understand. "

oldman wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:25 AM:

" 1957 wrote "Oldman, what actually is the definition of a RACE HUSTLER?,please specify..or are you just running your mouth just to be saying something ?" First of all, I didn't initiate the comment. Secondly, a race hustler in my dictionary is anyone that parlays their status (and I believe this phrase is also applicable in instances of religious, governmental and business hustling as well) into something that it is not, but it gets them unwarranted mileage, so to speak, and yes, they make money off of it, maybe not directly, but they profit somewhere down the line. "

wow wrote on Jan 17, 2008 6:53 AM:

" Boscoe, if the so called 'Negro" leader's Ufeel are racist happen 2B Sharpton and Jessie, here's a news flash...they don't speak 4the entire population of Negro's or any1 else. Whether or not those fella's or any1 else with their motive's are racist, I can't say 4sure. In my view they have done some good, but their more interested in getting paid than actually solving problems. That's not racist, that's business savy as you can see stirring up racial issue's is a lucrative business.
Mariab...thank you, not many could've said it better. There can be no understanding if "all parties" don't want 2understand each other. Your comment's inspire hope, that one day we will overcome this issue. Stay safe. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 16, 2008 10:26 PM:

" Who cares about skin color besides the racist negro leaders who keep stirring up the stuff.

Be colorblind, like the song says. "

mariab wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:30 PM:

" If you need to have it explained to you why a couple of hundred years of slavery in the U.S., plus another century of enforced segregation, and another half-century of subtle racism - all based solely on complexion - is different than temporary, onerous circumstances for other groups in the U.S., then I think it's probably pretty hopeless.

At a certain point, one makes a choice not to understand. "

mariab wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:26 PM:

" What I'm seeing on this thread are old, tired arguments designed to shut down any meaningful discussion about race in the U.S. I'm surprised no one has yet dragged out the Bill Cosby speech in order to "prove" their point. And no one has quoted yet their one black acquaintance (who, by the way, is a *good* black - read: not a troublemaker) who happens to agree with him, and therefore speaks for *all* good black folk.

"

chitown wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:31 PM:

" Race Huster - Al Sharpton, Charlie Rangel, Jessie Jackson, etc... "

chitown wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:29 PM:

" Cant wait 57. Ya know, if you felt as sorry for the real victims in this world as you do for yourself, then I'd be inclined to listen. Where did you come from Cajun? Good Post! Dont forget the Black Caucus and BET. Imagine if we had a White Caucus and WET! Nope never happen, that's racist... "

1957 wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:09 PM:

" Chi I have to get back to you I am leaving work now Goodnight all. oh yes I will be back "

1957 wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:05 PM:

" Oldman, what actually is the definition of a RACE HUSTLER?,please specify..or are you just running your mouth just to be saying something ? because a person speaks out does that means he or she is not sincere? Jews,Indians, Catholics, The Japanese even got reparations for the atrocities bestowed upon them .at least the people here are Americans !!! WHAT!!! "

Cajun wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:52 PM:

" Since slavery has ended African Americans and each nationality had the opporunity to return to their home country. And today they have a better opporunity to return to their home country. But they chose not to for what ever reason. What I see, is that racism against African Americans is being voiced openly because they can get something out of it. Havent the gov. given everyone enough, through programs that help, for ex. black education fund plus get state and fed grants. I dont see white education fund, or mexician education fund. What about the African American lawsuits filed because someone didnt treat them right, they get thousands or millions just because someone said or looked the wrong way at them. "

Cajun wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:37 PM:

" Explain why an apology is needed. Each and every person has been a victim of something at one time or another. Everyone assumes the apology is for blacks, because that is what is being focused on. What happened after slavery continues today and it is called racism, each and everyone of us is a racist in some form or fashion at some point in time. When I say everyone this means whites, blacks, mexicians, phillipinos, every nationality. This will never change, with or without an apology. It is a fact, we see it everyday. The most popular nationality that uses it openly are blacks or africian americans. If you actually sit down and watch people you to would see it. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:12 PM:

" It is painfully obvious that this act of an apology would only make things worse! It is a racial stunt by the very folks who harp against racism. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:10 PM:

" oldman - very well said. I fear that reparations are the ultimate goal, which would be a disaster. Where would it begin, and where would it end? 1957 said that Dr. King stood for many good things. You bet he did! I fully agree. He was a courageous man. But that has nothing to do with an apology for slavery. And what about those guys that are members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. It is a documented fact that the vast majority of the soldiers did NOT own slaves, and those that survived and their families were stripped of rights and liberties as well, for years following the war. "

chitown wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:06 PM:

" 1957 You have proved my point. You speak of victims but only include a select race. You will not address others who have been enslaved and suffered, and that is the mark of racism in this country. I know this is useless but why dont you "specifically" tell us how the "State" should be accountable? "

oldman wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:46 PM:

" I've seen numerous entries stating that currently alive people were not the ones that enslaved others, nor that currently alive people were enslaved. Byron W. - i agree with you, let the issue alone to "get the race hustlers out of business". i do indeed fear there is an ulterior (reparation) issue brewing (at all taxpayers' expense, of course), and this needs to just stay out of the limelight, and off the books. What about the other states that "sent soldiers to both sides"? There were FAMILIES that sent sons to both sides, so what do they get? What about the guys that lost - do the Sons of the Confederacy also get an apology for getting beat? "

1957 wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:25 PM:

" Well seeing that Dr. King stood for equality amongst ALL men and a stop to injustices wherever they
take a position Dr.King said we as a people should right all wrongs.As humans can we say and be truthful with ourselves that this period in our country's history was not wrong?Is it really criminal to want to have and live a better life? Yes there have been strides made but for a vast majority a bit too late. Is is really criminal to want to be able to afford better health care, better housing,equal schooling,some of the niceties that were not allowed because of the color of the skin!!! "

Ken wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:19 PM:

" I never owned slaves and I don't think there is anyone one left alive that was a slave. I agree that slavery never should have happened but I am not resposible for what my ancestors may have done (I don't know if they did or not.) I owe an apology to know one. As some of you are so fond of saying, Get over it and move on. "

1957 wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:01 PM:

" Sorry Dr.King birthday was on yesterday .Charge to my head not my Heart. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:38 PM:

" So, 1957 -- tell me, just what good will an apology do now? And quite frankly, I don't care who's birthday today is. I think Dr. King was a great man, but that has no bearing whatsoever on this issue. Get real. "

1957 wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:31 PM:

" To all, we know... That particular time was horrendous ,let us not just look at what comes to the tip of our tounges and spew ill comments.No the slavesowners are not still living but as we look around we know that the remnanats of slavery has been disatrous and unequal from human rights to education to health and to wealth.Any Institution, Coporation,or Individual including The State should be held accountable for their actions.It is an Insult to insinuate that these past actions should be minimized to the ugliness that has been spewed in this forum.Oh this is Jan. 15th.Dr. Martin Luther King birthday. But then that may not have any bearing in this forum either. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:25 PM:

" Just as a point of clarity, this would be in the form of a resolution, not a bill. Either way, it's a bad idea. "

1jcresident wrote on Jan 16, 2008 2:59 PM:

" What else does this lawmaker have tied to this "apology"??? "

chitown wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:22 PM:

" I cant help but see that those who loudly proclaim this should done in name of God and humanity, only want a certain group to receive this attention. They are not interested in, concerned for, or attentative to any other mis-deeds commited against any other race of people. Nor will they discuss it. They deflect any attention to this inclusive flaw in their agenda by demeaning those who oppose it by subtle and not subtle ways of infering they are racist or un-Godly. Their compassion is select and their vitrole all inclusive. "

mariab wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:01 PM:

" Seems to me that God offered up his son to atone for sins past, present, and future. The sacrifice was once, not a separate sacrifice for each sinner, and not a sacrifice every day to take into account all those newly born.

The state as an institution can choose to show grace via an apology, knowing that it is primarily symbolic, but still with important meaning.

And some citizens can choose to be miserly in how and to whom they dole out such symbolic, but meaningful gestures. "

Busymom wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:36 PM:

" If this passes, would we need each and every person to research their heritage to find out to whom the apologies are to go to? My answer is an emphatic yes. The reason for my answer is an article I recently read on a certain website (google "white slaves" article written by Michael A. Hoffman II), a small blurb from that article, which says:
"Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too."
So everyone start your research....

"

Boomer wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:33 AM:

" An apology to those that were enslaved is needed and should be given to those that were enslaved from those that enslaved them. From anyone else to anyone else could lead to some people having a huge “chip “ on their shoulder and mistaking other fellow citizens as someone that “owes them “ something, just because they are here. Maybe that’s what this is all about. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 16, 2008 8:54 AM:

" Yes sir! "

chitown wrote on Jan 16, 2008 8:48 AM:

" Great Analogy UNRECON! - Dont you wish we had the War of Northern Aggression to talk about again. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 16, 2008 8:46 AM:

" To me this boils down to one, very simple issue. To apologize for slavery "to someone who wasn't there" --- "by someone who wasn't there", is illogical at best, and just plain stupid at worst. It would be of no positive value and would do more to divide us than to unify us as Missourians or Americans for that matter. "

chitown wrote on Jan 16, 2008 8:14 AM:

" The problem with people who see the other side of life, is that they usually weren't raised there. We have to have some experience in life, before we choose to attempt to inflict our will on others whose life experiences are completely different. One must stop and contemplate why another person does not share their point of view. Perhaps there are life experiences which shape ones view of the world, not what they have been taught, but what they experience and feel. To totally disregard an innocent segment of the population in order to agrandize another is bigotry/racsim as we are all mistreated and discriminated against in someway. To say otherwise is selective vicctimization. We have seen diatrides here but not solutions. "

momof4 wrote on Jan 15, 2008 11:25 PM:

" I know it's late and no one will probably read this, and I understand what both sides are saying in this matter. But my concern is that if we are so focused on the past, are we forgetting to focus on the future? It is true that history often repeats itself, and that being said, are we doing enough now so that the past "will not repeat itself"? An apology for slavery, Jim Crow, segregation may help those who went through it, but how will that keep it from happening again? An apology can be like a band-aid; it helps heal the wound, but it can still leave a scar. "

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:42 PM:

" Mariab, it's refreshing 2see that someone else was raised with courage, dignity, common sense and the willing ability 2 see the other side of life. Let's spread that stuff around, because those qualities are so very much in need. Stay safe and expect 2get some flack 4 your view point. However I wouldn't worry 2much, cause like they say, if somebody hit's me with one of them sticks or stones, their gonna get hit back:) Peace! "

chitown wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:31 PM:

" Well WOW you didn't disappoint me. A lot of talk but still no substance or solutions for a way to get this started, I mean one two talkings would be great and a little Old Crow makes everything allright. Also the one way ticket was suggested by the "Great Emancipator" as a solution to the issue. "

mariab wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:51 PM:

" And for Boscoe, who suggested 'wouldn't a better remedy be to give the damaged parties a one-way ticket back to the home country?' Unfortunately, that offer is at least 200 years too late.
"

mariab wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:43 PM:

" Offering an apology is not really about the apologizer. It is about the person to whom one offers an apology. Will an apology make everything all better? Of course not. But it is a gracious thing to do.

For those of us with ancestors who never profited from slavery, well, bully for us. The apology isn't from individuals; it is from the state, so really, all this mewling about how "I don't have anything to apologize for" is beside the point.

"

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 8:38 PM:

" My 1st suggestion is 2ask the nay-sayer's 2stop expecting people 2accept the fable about how if everyone would simply getajob, paytaxes and sing KumBiyaandp all would be well. My 2nd suggestion is 4people likeU 2admit that even though none of us Rperfect we each have something of value 2say about solving our problems. The message has already been stated, allU have 2do is want2recieve it . My 3rd suggestion is 2accept that no matter what any1 else says, Uwill always Cthe glass half empty or someone always stepping on your ancestor's who emerged so perfectly from Ellis Island! Lord knows nobody worked as hard or understands like you and yours. Finally Chi-Town, like it ornot Nthe end it will Bmaderight! "

chitown wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:22 PM:

" WOW - I see the rhetoric continues but you offer no suggestions on how you would change this. Do wish to complain or do you wish to actually make a contribution?
I prefer Old Crow to Jim Crow myself... "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 15, 2008 6:29 PM:

" This issue should be discarded. I think this whole issue is to keep race hustlers in business. They are running out of things to talk about. I mean they can't talk about the first black director of revenue. That undercuts their issue. Let's look forward not backward. Some things in the future don't look to bad. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 15, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Instead of cash payments, wouldn't a better remedy be to give the damaged parties a one-way ticket back to the home country? "

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 4:01 PM:

" Uunreconstructed you're right, this bill calls 4an apology 4slavery, which would be nice, but I agree, it isn't neccessary. As I stated, earlier my preference is an apology for what occurred after slavery. In my view that makes more sense. Glad to see that at least someone else understands the differences in the time frames, which is a good start and gives me hope that 1day this issue will be settled accordingly. The attitude of "my" American family never owned slaves is one thing and in some cases true. However "our" American Gov't and Cmty leaders did suport" Jim Crow and Segragation and that is somewthing all together differernt. So, Uunreconstructed sir/mam, thanks 4helping 2clear things up! "

Zero Tolerance wrote on Jan 15, 2008 3:25 PM:

" "No one racial group is responsible for the crime of slavery. Slavery predated the arrival of white Europeans in Africa; blacks in Africa and even in the U.S. participated in the slave trade. Only a tiny minority of antebellum white Americans--about 5 percent of Southern whites--ever owned slaves. Most Americans today arrived in the U.S. after 1860 or are descended from immigrants who arrived after 1860, and so have no connection, direct or indirect, to slavery."

"

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 15, 2008 3:13 PM:

" wow - I'm sure the apology would not fall on deaf ears, but the apology you are asking for is for what occurred after slavery was abolished. This is not the bill that has been put forward, which seeks an apology for slavery. "

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 2:05 PM:

" There R several people alive 2day that were victims of the Jim Crow, Black Code, Segragation system. So the apology won't fall on deaf ears. But until then, well, we just gotta keep on keepin on. Again, I support the appology; however we do have more pressing problems 2solve first. I also think this topic will be discussed again at a later date, perhaps when the world is a bit more tolerant of each other. When that will be depends on how we raise our children, because they are going 2be the benefactors of our failure's and accomplishments. Chi-Town, I can't say exactly what I want2 here, so I'll end with, have a nice day. "

chitown wrote on Jan 15, 2008 2:04 PM:

" I tell you what folks, lets quit arguing about this and do something. I would like to see everyone who agrees with legislation to stop making the same complaints over and over again and provide in specific detail how you think this legislation should be written, exactly how it should be worded, validate every point, make it clear, convince us. And after you have done that tell us why, we, and ancestors who are innocent, shoud pay? Because if we force coporations into payment guess who pays, we do. No way the citizen is going to avoid it. Stop making your noise and provide information including how much money would be enough. Then tell us how you identify the receipients, full blood, half blood, etc. "

chitown wrote on Jan 15, 2008 1:55 PM:

" Has anyone here ever researched the history of the Irish and Italian (legal) immigrants to this country? Might be an eye opener if you do, but, that is not the politically correct thing to do. I say we apologize and start writing checks, heck I dont need to eat or live indoors anymore or support my family when there are so many out there who are depending on my money. "

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 1:47 PM:

" If there's an apology given, it should'nt be 4the issue of "slavery". It's what happened after slavery that's deserving of an official apology. US Officials and Cmty leaders and everyday citizens knew Nthe 1900's,20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, long after they killed each other during the civil war, that racial injustice as wrong. Yet they still fanagled the system and instituted Jim Crow, Black Codes and Segragation, which was supported by the US Gov't, some Cmty Leader's and some every day citizens. Many of our Gov't/Cmty/religious leader's knew it was wrong, yet permitted this injustice 2happen anyway. That is why an official apology is deserved. It's not 4slavery it's about what happened afterwards. -cont- "

chitown wrote on Jan 15, 2008 1:44 PM:

" I'll agree to reparations if WOW writes the first check! "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 15, 2008 1:10 PM:

" The evidence is clear of creating division, not unity, by simply reading the comments of this forum. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 15, 2008 1:10 PM:

" Wow - you are an intelligent person, and although I disagree with you from time to time, I admire your passion. With regard to the apology, with the abolishment of slavery, there is an inherent admission of slavery being wrong. To now give an apology would only serve to perpetuate division, not unity. It would continue to divide us along racial lines not bring us together as "one nation under God". "

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Although I haven't changed my mind about the apology, because I still do hope it will come 2fruitation Nthe near future, I also realize our Gov't officials have more pressing matter's 2concern themselves with right now. So perhaps this guy might try concentrating his efforts on solving some of the more serious up2date issue at this point. It's also fair saying this is an election year and I think this may be a self centered stunt 2drum up votes. Again I have't changed my mind, but I must admit, Mr. El-Amin's timing and motives are questionable. In closing, let's not lose sight of the big picture, which is America "1nation under god indivisiable with freedom and jutsice 4all! "

boxergal wrote on Jan 15, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Not sure they have too much time, I just think there comes a time where you run out of a good idea on a bill to be filed. I could give this man some but let him figure it out. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 15, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Ain't he something? This guy got exactly what he wanted...to get his name in the news. Kind of like the potty parity bill years ago. "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Good post stop! I thought I recognized this name from last year...do a google on HSHouse Bill 1189 from the 2007 session. Baking soda treated the same way pseudophedrine behind the counter? Someone said they might have too much time on their hands, they just might. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:37 AM:

" The people that want to show their disdain for the atrocities of slavery here in America should better busy themselves helping to stamp it out world wide, because human trafficking is still a thriving business world wide. Am I the only one that saw that report on TV about human trafficking here in the USA.?
The best way to apologize for a mistake from pre 1870 is to make sure it isn’t continued, or repeated
"

Boomer wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:26 AM:

" Well as long as it will help some one feel better, I’d like to apologize to the Christians my ancestors feed to the lions. Also to the Englishmen my ancestors killed in Scotland, and to the American Indians of all tribes my ancestors displaced, diseased (and claimed it was a divine intervention). I’d like to include a quick apology for the several hundred or so horses I’m sure someone in my family tree probably stole back in time from someone’s else’s family. But I’m not the least bit in need of apologizing for slavery here in America because no one in my family supported it, or profited from it in any way. You don’t continuously pick at a old wound to help itheal. "

stop wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:19 AM:

" Just as a burned out forest bears green grass and stronger surviving trees, the people in this country as a result of slavery, oppression of religion, brutal dictatorships, ect, are examples of the positive effects of a tragedy. People have two options, they can use a tragedy as an excuse or they can use it as a catalyst for success. "

stop wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:08 AM:

" Slavery was and is wrong, yes slavery is happening in the world right now. Although the majority, African’s were not the only people used for slavery in this country so if we do apologize we should not single out the black community. The State represents us all, that is the problem I have with the apology, none of my ancestors, as far as I know, owned slaves. "

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Gov't accoutability = Gov't resposibility which Nmy opinion should equate 2some Gov't Offical's publically saying "I'm sorry" for what happened". Again, Nmy view it's about the US Gov't sytematically, legalizing, programs after slavery that they knew were wrong! One would think this apology would've happened long ago. Perhaps the reason no apology has been given 2date is if an offical apology is ever given, that could equate 2an admittance of criminal conduct. Perhaps somepeopleRafraid since this is a high tech generation, it's quite possible somebody could discover how2 extract some type of DNA from the remains of a slave, which couldthen Blinked 2a specific Gov't or company official, resulting in a major law suit or criminal conviction, whichis justfinewithme! "

p-diddle wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:57 AM:

" I have documented evidence (discharge papers) that my family fought for the Union in the Civil War. They were not slave owners. For the State of Missouri to make a sweeping apology for slavery means that it is apologizing for every citizen, living and dead.

Neither I, nor my ancestors have anything for which to apologize. We gained nothing from slavery. We worked our own fingers to the bone to survive and extend our lineage.

If you want to construct an apology, make sure the language excludes people like my family and me, because I DO NOT APOLOGIZE for things I didn't do. "

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:21 AM:

" Even after the The US Gov't was aware of how evil and cruel the vanquished system of slavery was, our nation's political, civic and religious leaders instituted systems such as Jim Crow/Black Codes and Segregation that produced further decadence on the less fortunant. The American Gov't fought wars
2promote freedom abroad at the very same it created laws that denied education, health care, job opportunities and basic human rights 2it's own citizens? Long after the late 1800's America was dealing with the unresolved issue's which stemmed from the illegal and cruel system of human chattel. Shamefully the American Gov't created those horrible years of dispair. So, should the American Gov't be accountable for that? Yes! "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:20 AM:

" volatile issue so I will tread lightly, While the idea seems politiclly correct , ..does this really make up for what happened, does this make any black american feel better ? Would'nt this gentlemen be better off developing a bill to help minorities in education or job market ? "

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Reparations is a topic similar 2religion and politics. Although I understand why it's being asked4, I don't exactly understand how it would or actually work. So therefore, the debate continues. However on the issuance of a full governmental apology, why not? Apologize 4it all, the Irish, Japanese, Mexicans, Idians etc, etc.. Aplogizing 4what we all know happened, is no more harmeful and just as helpful
4the very same reasons we insist that our children apologize 4their mistakes or bad behavior. Besides, in my view it's not the slavery issue, it's what happened after slavery.
-cont- "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 15, 2008 8:37 AM:

" Please let me preface this by first saying that we should all agree that slavery was a horrible institution. With that said, who on earth will an apology help now? No one. Who would get the reparations? Anyone who is African American? I sense the desire for a handout, which is ludicrous. We have far too many handouts and entitlements in this country all ready. Are we also going to apologize for the indentured servitude that took place with the Irish Americans and others? How 'bout reparations for those folks too? This would simply serve no constructive purpose whatsoever. "

blueknight wrote on Jan 15, 2008 8:29 AM:

" The simple fact is that there is no one alive today that either committed the atrocity nor is there anyone alive today that was the victim of the atrocity. "

blueknight wrote on Jan 15, 2008 8:28 AM:

" Everyone that has been a slave and is alive today please raise your hand?....No, okay then. Everyone that has owned a slave and is alive today please raise your hand?....No, okay then. Next item on the agenda..... "

wow wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:18 AM:

" If he is part of a hate group, then perhaps him asking 4the apology does elude 2another agenda, so yes we need 2B cautious. But, if that agenda leads 2 an apology/reparations and not criminal conduct, then that's fine with me, because there are some very powerful and rich institutions that have benefited from the skull-duggery associated with slave labor, Jim Crow Laws and segregation. Jewish people don't think the reparations for WWII murder's are crazy, and ya know what they're right. Several large companies made billion of dollars using illegal conduct concerning human chattel and Jim Crow. FYI, profiting from ill gotten gains is a crime which is punishable by law! I say make the overdue apology and move on. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:03 AM:

" An official appology sets up an admission of wrong-doing, thereby paving the way for future reparation payments.

I agree that an appology and reparations are appropriate, but not from anyone still living. The perpetrators are all dead now, as are the victims. This is so silly and politically-motivated. "

joytotheworld wrote on Jan 15, 2008 6:38 AM:

" This is sooo stupid. I have nothing to appologize for,neither does anyone else that's alive now. "

mark_von wrote on Jan 15, 2008 5:48 AM:

" This is right up there with adding BC and AD by the dates for Missouri Documents. You can tell they have a do nothing attitude planned for this session. I think they should all be voted out! "

chitown wrote on Jan 15, 2008 12:07 AM:

" My ancestors never owned slaves. What do they have to apologize for? By the way, the El in his name signifies that he is a member of the Moorish Science Temple a noted hate group operating under a religious namesake. "

spelchek wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:40 PM:

" I concur with unreconstructed. Couldn't have said it better myself. "

unreconstructed wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:49 AM:

" This is so ridiculous, an apology will accomplish nothing, make no one feel better about one's self, and is most likely an attempt to lay the ground work for reparations. No one living today was a slave, and no one living today was a slave owner. It would serve our CURRENT society far better to look forward, not backward. "


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