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Council votes to put riverboat gambling on April ballot

By Kris Hilgedick
khil@newstribune.com
Published: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 12:18 PM CST
Despite a loud public outcry from citizens who oppose gambling, the Jefferson City Council voted 6-4 Monday in favor of giving voters an opportunity to overturn the city's ban on riverboat casinos.

The citywide vote is scheduled for April.

Two amendments were not successful. The first, offered by Second Ward Councilman Richard Koon, would have delayed the election until November, when a larger voter turnout is anticipated. The second would have limited where a new casino could be built.

Six council members - Kevin Brown, Ken Ferguson, Mike Harvey, Dan Klindt, Ron Medin and Koon - favored the April public vote. Four others - Brian Crane, Cindy Layton, Jim Penfold and Jane Smith - did not.

After the decision, opponents were deeply dismayed, even apoplectic.

Jefferson City resident M.L. Allison vowed to fight any attempt to overturn the city's existing casino gaming ban.


“There's going to be a lot of organization ... to get out the vote,” he said.

Allison was disappointed with council members who supported putting the question to a public vote, despite hearing significant vocal opposition at two public forums.

“Opponents were able to turn out in an overwhelming manner,” he said. “But the council showed a total disregard for what they said. To me, it seems to be a total lack of respect for the people they represent.

“Why do (they) hold these hearings in the first place?” he asked.

Riverboat gaming was approved by Jefferson City voters in 1992, but a later ban was enacted in 1995.

Allison warned Monday's vote may have repercussions. “I am thankful they'll be up for re-election on this ballot,” he said.

Carolyn McDowell sat on the council 13 years ago when the ban was enacted. She watched the proceedings unfold again in the council's chamber on Monday.

“Personally I don't think it needs to be done,” she said. “The people have voted in the mid-1990s. They did not want gambling in Jefferson City.”

McDowell believes a large casino would deplete, not replenish, the city's resources.

But many supporters of the casino project point to the Isle of Capri in Boonville, saying the boat there has revitalized that community.

Klindt sees gaming revenues as a way to pave streets and repair the city's broken stormwater pipes.

“All we're asking is: ‘Can we let the voters decide whether we'll use riverboat gambling income as a potential revenue source?' he said. “If the people vote ‘No,' then okay. We'll look for other ways.”

Medin and Penfold tried, unsuccessfully, to restrict where a casino could be built. (They proposed barring casino construction between Manila and Lafayette streets, in an effort to protect the city's drinking water source, the state Capitol and the future federal courthouse.)

“If we get to the point that we have millions of dollars at stake, the resolve of future councils will be tested,” Medin warned.

Brown, principal sponsor of the casino legislation, argued such restrictions could be put in place if and when an actual project is brought forward by developers. He said such caveats only served to make constructing a casino “practically impossible.”

Medin doesn't support casino gaming in Jefferson City, but he sees a public vote as the only way to settle the issue. “We already have a gambling problem in Jefferson City,” he said, noting many people - including several civic leaders - see it as a way to solve the city's financial woes.

“These are all well-intentioned people, worried about the economic situation in Jefferson City,” said Medin. “But I hope the public will defeat this proposal.”

In November 1992, 10,347 Jefferson City voters approved the idea of having a casino gambling boat - about 60 percent of the more than 17,000 people casting votes in that election.

But three years later, voters rejected gambling with two votes:

* Proposition 1, where 5,947 people - 57 percent of the total voters - said a gambling boat should not be allowed to operate in Jefferson City.

* Proposition 2, where 5,424 of those same voters - or 52 percent - said the City Charter should be changed to prohibit city government from getting any benefit from a gambling vote.

The total votes cast on Proposition 1 was 61 more than the number of people approving a boat in 1992.



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chitown wrote on Jan 18, 2008 4:37 PM:

" In the anonimity of posting one can present any truth they desire to. Which one of the other three?
And what does this have to do with the casino issue? "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 18, 2008 12:11 PM:

" maxheadroom wrote everytime a conservative relgious person dislikes what the govt does, it always falls back on its immoral, its never a waste of money, or poor planning, fisical issue, etc there one and only arguement is.. its immoral "

In this case that is the only concern. Although the government would have to have highway patrol presence on a casino it is supposed to be covered by the casion's operations. It shouldn't cost the governemnt $$$$. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 18, 2008 12:08 PM:

" chitown wrote "Yeah Byron, except you aint Jesus in this scenario and you aint no tax collector either!"

I used to be a tax collector.
"

chitown wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:34 PM:

" That only leaves three left, right? "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 15, 2008 8:40 PM:

" byron my point is its funny how everytime a conservative relgious person dislikes what the govt does , it always falls back on its immoral, its never a waste of money, or poor planning , fisical issue ,etc there one and only arguement is.. its immoral "

chitown wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:27 PM:

" Yeah Byron, except you aint Jesus in this scenario and you aint no tax collector either! "

dbasnett wrote on Jan 15, 2008 6:34 PM:

" Gambling can be bad for communities, but on the other hand take a look at Las Vegas. Isn't it really a matter of how the community handles this form of entertainment?

What I'd like to know is will it provide a source of revenue for the city? Will it create jobs? Could it actually be a good thing?

Once again we have found an issue where the right to choose is being clouded. If you have a gambling problem the fact that there is or is not a Casino here isn't going to fix you. If you don't have a gambling problem you won't catch one from a Casino. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 15, 2008 6:24 PM:

" Boscoe wrote "Didn't Jesus hang out with leppers, cripples, tax collectors (sorry Skip Rich), and thieves?

Yeah me and Jesus have a lot in common. He hung out with those guys and I hang out with you and chitown!
"

Boscoe wrote on Jan 15, 2008 4:51 PM:

" Didn't Jesus hang out with leppers, cripples, tax collectors (sorry Skip Rich), and thieves? "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 15, 2008 4:36 PM:

" maxheadroom, moral judgments are made by everyone. And they are very good grounds to decide whether one like someone, or something. I mean I wouldn't be a friend to a John Gotti and wouldn't want to associate with that kind. In a civil society one should accept that people sincerely have those feelings and should be allowed to express them. Gambling is a moral issue. It has been apparently forever. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 15, 2008 4:27 PM:

" Boscoe other than $$$$$ a casino does not provide any positive benefits to its community "

online_editor wrote on Jan 15, 2008 2:20 PM:

" (cont. from previous) Most of you understand that some point/counterpoint is informative, but this forum isn't about proving anyone's superior logic or high fiving your clique; therefore, you're capable of graciously agreeing to disagree. Most of you behave the same civil way here -- with the same respect for others you disagree with -- that you would display face to face in a town hall meeting. You "get it." Do something nice for yourself today as a way to pat yourself on the back, and ignore any clash here that doesn't measure up to the issue-oriented norm you're setting. I thank you, and other participants thank you. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

online_editor wrote on Jan 15, 2008 2:20 PM:

" It's wonderful that the vast majority of participants understand that the mission of this forum is to offer people a public venue to post their opinions on issues without being personally attacked. Most of you, even when faced with another participant's condescension aimed at you, understand that responding negatively leads downhill to bickering, so you choose to prioritize the mission of the forum before your own desire to parry. You also know that staying on the high road makes it obvious who's on the low road. Most of you understand that you can make and clarify your points in a few posts and that they don't need to be endlessly repeated in response to everyone who disagrees. (cont. next post) "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 15, 2008 2:19 PM:

" good point chi twon , I have always been amazed with people who claim to have high moral grounds or very religious or christian and then use that as their excuse to not like someone, or something. It seems to me that many of them will say that if you do not think like them you are a heretic, you do not care for your fellow man, you are a contributor to the downfall of ethics in your area, or that you will burn in hades for not being exactly like them. Seems to me like a contradiction in faith and action "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 15, 2008 1:54 PM:

" Church leaders who mollest children are also immoral and "do a lot of damage to the fabric of our community". However, I do not propose that we eliminate all churches from the City of Jefferson just because a few nutjob priests and ministers are pedophiles. Please don't also brush aside a casino's many positive benefits to its community just because a few people have psychological problems and shouldn't gamble. I'm like Max- I would probably never gamble, but I would go to the shows and eat at the restaurants if we get a casino in Jefferson City. "

chitown wrote on Jan 15, 2008 1:50 PM:

" Hey Max - Dont you just love how the Christians are acting on these posts. Makes you just want to pray dont it? "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 15, 2008 10:06 AM:

" not intolerant at all byron, matter of fact I'm willing to give a csino a shot , how bout you ? There are many people that beleive that drinking is immoral Byron, some think dancing is, even smoking . And Byron throw your posts in with the rest of us as being spitefukl and sometimes indignant, you are as guilty as the any other in here of that, have a good day sir "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Boscoe, some people believe that a casino is immoral and it will do a lot of damage to the fabric of our community. You can disagree, fine, but that position is sincerely felt by many. Don't be like some that dismiss that position as being hateful and spiteful rhetoric because all that does is prevent debate, the give and take of civil society. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:29 AM:

" many business fail, headroom. A casino is a business it may fail. Considering that there is a casino close by, if one is built here they could both end up failing. I am not saying that it will happen but it could. It is something that anyone thinking about building one here will consider. And thatnks for your tone. I can see that you are somewhat of intolerant indvidual. And regarding your comment that the bickering is because someone does not want to allow a vote, well that is water under the bridge. I have moved on apparently you have not. "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:28 AM:

" Max...please check out the 2-3 websites i've given you as well. I was wrong about the gambling for you..i guess your hobby is this forum...i misunderstood. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:10 AM:

" Hey chrstlady, guess what I have never stepped foot on a boat and may not in this one in Jeff City, I just think that if people want one , it is not the demonic thing you make it out to be and I beleive based on chi town stats it will be a postive economic push in JC, I could give a rats fanny about gambling, I have never purchased a lottery ticket but I don't fight against it "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:22 AM:

" If this was KC or St.L i wouldn't have to see it, smell it, worry about the crime, which of my family might have a problem, the crime associated with it....but it's not, it's our small family centered JC which would have a big impact on everything around us. So i'm committed to fighting hard on this, and if you want to see the facts and figures, you have to do some looking, and depending on who's reporting...you'll find some facts to support you. Max...i say the same to you...go to boonville, and don't ruin our town and our safety. Think about someone else or find another hobby. "

chitown wrote on Jan 14, 2008 10:09 PM:

" Christ - While I disagree with you on the casino issue, I do admire the fact that you have conducted research to support your opinion and not just thrown hateful and spiteful rhetoric around. From there we can have a discussion. However, I do agree with MAX on the Editorial post. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 14, 2008 9:58 PM:

" Hey Byron and ChrisLady: If you don't want to go to the casino, that is fine. Just stay away. However, please don't ruin it for the rest of us.

"

Christnlady wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:57 PM:

" whatever max...you sure are determined. hope your gambling makes you happy. we'll know where to find you if one comes to town. "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:54 PM:

" another website...cape cod times has 2007 facts and figures on gambling addiction, crime & bankruptcy for their area. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:51 PM:

" I would wager (no pun intended ), it will pass , this April, and that is why those that spoke against it at the forum are so hot , because they knew they were in trouble if a vote was allowed , again reread the Tribunes editorial on Sunday on why a vote is necessary "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:48 PM:

" only reason there is bickering in here is because one side does not want to allow the people to exercise their right to vote "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:39 PM:

" oops...Illinois Family Institute website... "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:37 PM:

" Ok...Illinois Family web is one that gives you statistics that you may not want to hear. Illinois has had many problems with their casinos and there are many websites that prove it.... some of you are sure to go to the websites only that show possible benefits. The problems have already begun with us fighting between ourselves, and it will only get worse, i sure hope it doesn't pass. PS why don't we exchange emails so we can use this forum as intended? like voicing our opinion once...and i think we all know who's on what side by now. Blessings. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:30 PM:

" Last Byron .. You said the town forum meeting was democracy in action, yes that was democracy , but if you think that forum meeting is a better representation of what Jefferson City people want than voting , (when everyone has a chance to vote and have their say from dusk to dawn) then well, we agree to disagree. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:27 PM:

" Bryon writes at this time a casino being a successful is speculation " Chi town has provided us with many facts and comparisons of similar size cities with casinos and what the economi gain was. Yet ..you ignore them, ok its your turn, Byron show us a city where the casino failed di not provide economic growth and shut down Byron also says what is right and wrong is more important than $$$$$ . And who are you and the anti casino group to say a casino is wrong . The moral minority does not run this town "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM:

" what is right and what is wrong is always more important than $$$$$. I am sorry that you don't see that. As for the economic advantages of a casino being proven, well you need to look up the term "proof." At this time success of a casino is only speculation and will be until one is built and we see how it does. it could fail. You don't know that it will or it won't. Next, the only hatred I see may be the hate you have for those that disagree with you. "

chitown wrote on Jan 14, 2008 2:26 PM:

" You have one person who has a position and presents evidence to support that position. You have an opponent who admits to the evidence, but is angered that the one he opposes uses the evidence to support their position. The person without evidence, violently, viciously, and continually attacks his opponent on religious and moral grounds, using that analogy to support his claims, and he contends he is the voice of reason. That my friends is why we have separation of church and state in this country. "

chitown wrote on Jan 14, 2008 1:38 PM:

" The econmic advantages of building a casino in this city has been voiced, proven, and argued over many times. There are those who will never agree and use this forum to continue to add hatred and dissention to a civil debate over the issue. The more they are proven wrong the more wicked and viciuos their attacks become. There are those who wish to debate the issue and those who hate them that debate it. This is life. They will holding up the picket signs and handing out tracts as we walk through the doors. "

chitown wrote on Jan 14, 2008 1:27 PM:

" It s good to know that when facts cant be argued then we switch to right and wrong and somehow. There are always those who are right there to tells us their version. "

chitown wrote on Jan 14, 2008 1:25 PM:

" I agree with that proposition (no pun intended) and fully support it. Enjoy the facts and figures. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 14, 2008 12:52 PM:

" Boscoe wrote Boonville folks will probably LOSE their casino after ours gets built! "

way to look out for your fellow man!
"

Byron W. wrote on Jan 14, 2008 12:51 PM:

" hey chitown, why don't we legalize prostitution? That'll bring in some $$$ for the city. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 14, 2008 12:50 PM:

" chitown wrote The 2006 median household income for Jefferson City was $39,628. The United Sates average was $48,210.

$39,628? Not bad. Now what is it if you take out California and New York from the equation. Or how about comparing Jefferson City with the entire world? "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 14, 2008 12:48 PM:

" maxheadroom wrote "Chitown gives us facts you call them bull.

No I did not. I said he would latch on to any report that supports his view. Based on reading his posts I believe that is true. I made no comment about the report itself. The issue here is not about facts, it is about right and wrong. It may well be that a casino would help Jeff City economically, but so might legalized prostitution. I don't base all of my opinions on ethics and morality, but it is better to take them in to account than to reject them outright. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 14, 2008 12:42 PM:

" maxheadroom wrote "Had 50 vocal citizens blocked the vote on casino yes sir you could call that democracy being taken away!!!"

You could also call it democracy in action. There was a public meeting and if the council had rejected the vote it could have been an issue for the next city council elections. It would have made them interesting. As for being a no spin zone, well you'd better delete your posts to make that a fact. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 14, 2008 12:39 PM:

" maxheadroom, Jefferson City is better than most of the rest of the state when it comes to employment. A casino won't improve that. Of course, you can try to compare it to larger cities but that would be dishonest. "

omygoodness wrote on Jan 13, 2008 6:39 PM:

" anti casino people read the News Tribunes view in opinion section today , states they are not thrilled about casino, but.... the vote should be allowed, what most of us have been saying all along , kudos to the tribune for putting democracy over their opinion "

joytotheworld wrote on Jan 13, 2008 4:04 PM:

" There will be companies beating down the doors to build a casino in the Capitol city. "

omygoodness wrote on Jan 13, 2008 2:52 PM:

" without raising taxes ou using current city money through casino revenue ? Whats the old saying it takes money to make money ? "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 13, 2008 8:20 AM:

" typo on my part...that's what i meant to type 3.9 UNemployment in Jeff City, which is not good for large needs of personnel.

I'm done on this format.. Bye. "

chitown wrote on Jan 12, 2008 10:34 PM:

" As of November 2007 Jefferson had an unemployment rate of 3.9%. The US average in December 2007 was 5%. Standard casino wages would be approximately 30% above the prevailing average wage in Jefferson City.

"Doors dont slam open" "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:50 PM:

" Keep dreamin....and sometimes we need to make "better" decisions, ones that will improve society and morals, not compromise ourselves and the community. I'd rather look down the road and find something better suited for this family community. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 12, 2008 6:45 PM:

" I'm not worried about Boonville's casino. I figure we will have the NEWER AND BETTER casino, and with our convention center and river access and all the great restaurants in the casino, and the new hotels opening up, WE WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER CASINO THAN BOONVILLE!

Boonville folks will probably LOSE their casino after ours gets built! "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 12, 2008 2:57 PM:

" We can go to vote, it can pass, but it will take someone with a lot of money wanting to put a casino in Jeff City! I just don't buy it. A town with no interstate, just down the road from Boonville. Townspeople saying they will frequent it just a couple times a year. And then the town having a low employment rate to boot. Good luck. "

chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:22 PM:

" Also MAX - Just so you know - The 2006 median household income for Jefferson City was $39,628. The United Sates average was $48,210. Unemployment rates in the ST. Louis area have averaged about 1% below the Missouri average since Casino's were introduced to the area and Missouri casinos average appox. 51 million visits per year. Imagine the impact on local economy if just 1% of those visited a casino in JC. "

chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:03 PM:

" Hey Max - A plus on all 3 posts. The picture is becoming clearer... Thanks for the support... "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:26 PM:

" byron does it fell lonely in here ? you say everyone is lying in here but you . You claim that the majority of JC people do not want a casino, is that because you had a whopping 50 people at he council meeting ? ComeApril you will find out what Jeff City thinks on this issue . Chitown gives us facts you call them bull
All you have done is dispute facts with rhetoric and opinion you have not shown anyone in here through facts as to why this would not be good in Jeff City economically, you base all your opionion on ethics and morality "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:19 PM:

" Bryon on the democracy being taken away : Had 50 vocal citizens blocked the vote on casino yes sir you could call that democracy being taken away!!! This the no spin zone, you can not call it anything else but what it is in here "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:17 PM:

" byron said, "can't say I agree with statement Jeff City has small market for jobs wih low, pay. Byron do you agree the top employers in Jeff are : State Workers
School Employees , Unilever , Von Hoffman , Scholastic, The Mall and Wall Mart as far as total number of employees . Well last I heard Bryon the average pay in these areas puts no one anywhere but low iddle to middle middle class , so where do you come up with this being a large market of employmment opurtunity with high pay ? Just curious "

chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:17 PM:

" Hey Sportsmom - I'll put a hundred with your fifty and that will give us a start. If we lose, well, I guess a Mass on Sunday and a trip to Boonville or St. Charles will have to due for now "

chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:49 PM:

" Haveto - Probably one of the most courageous and honest postings! "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 11, 2008 6:32 PM:

" havetocomment, most of the posters don't care about your problem, unfortunately. Democracy was NOT being taken from anyone. I think that argument is dishonest. "

sportsmom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 6:12 PM:

" I'm so excited. Just in one day in talking to friends, family and coworkers over lunch, I already know of 50 people who are going to vote YES for the gambling prop to pass. So, let the naysayers sit around and fill their time wining on some online comment thread about it, but I'm going to spend my time recruiting people to vote. Wow, if we proponents all got 50 people a day......Jeff City would finally get what it deserves. I don't even go often-like maybe twice a year. But I like the revenue and jobs it will bring here. And of course, I like having something for recreational entertainment every now and then. "

havetocomment wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:46 PM:

" I have read comment after comment here, and I have to say something. My spouse has a gambling problem. A gambling problem that has more than once put our family in jeopardy. I won't vote for a casino for that reason, (and I enjoy going), however, I DO want it on a ballot for the people to decide. He has a problem, and it's his problem, not everyone elses, we are both employed and do not receive state aid. Everyone has the right to have their own personal beliefs, but forcing those beliefs on others is wrong. You cannot save the world by taking democracy away, only those w/the problem can save themselves, let the citizens of JC decide. "

chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:45 PM:

" You are correct Melissa. Quality research and the ability to have the mental capacity to factually and intelligently conduct it, is the key to providing reliable and truthful results. Personal opinion cannot provide actuary or informational data on an issue, which then if quoted or argued, as you so aptly and truthfully put it, also would, make "one come off as a fool." Good Post M! "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:28 PM:

" Then there are those that latch on to any report that supports whatever they WANT to believe. "

melissa1 wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Yes, I would say do some research on any study you plan to quote or you could come of as a fool. "

chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:08 PM:

" A 2003 study funded by NIJ states that data does not support the view that casino gambling is a major threat to the elderly. It also found that the elderly exercise better money management and experience fewer gambling problems that the general population. An MSU (Michigan) study found that the primary motivation among elderly woman was excitement and entertainment. Income and addiction did not appear as a motivator. Anther study conducted by ST. Cloud U found the social benefit for the elderly was the most important part of gambling activity and they were well aware of the danger of problem behavior. One should always use reputable sources for quoting study facts, but a pre-disposition to disagree with them, will always skew the results. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 11, 2008 1:06 PM:

" maxheadroom wrote "we have a small market of jobs here with low pay."

I can't say I agree. "

melissa1 wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:54 PM:

" I have found that these studies are not always accurate, depending on a lot of factors they can be skewed one way or the other. I am sure lack of planning on a lot of things is a big part as well. There was a post saying that a lot of older generation people are frequenting the casino's so there could be a correlation. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:41 PM:

" Melisaa, do you think a lot of that might be for lack of planning on retirement planning and budget / "

chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:36 PM:

" A recent study conducted by the Department of the Treasury, at the request of congress, found "no connection between state bankruptcy rates and either the extent or introduction of gambling." Furthermore, the report stated "This result is supported by a county-level analysis that shows no statistically significant casino effect (proximity to a casino) with regard to county bankruptcies." (Thanks Max) "

melissa1 wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:10 PM:

" I am in lending and I do see a lot more of the older generation in bankruptcy. Not sure if it is directly related but it possibly could be. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:41 AM:

" good figures chi town "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:40 AM:

" Byron I do not think a casino is going to transform Jeff City into a butterfly, but I do know it will creat jobs, we have a small market of jobs here with low pay, it will create some revenue for city , maybe not tons , and I'm not convinced casino's take people down the drain any more than bars do, or lottery tickets for sale,convince me they do ,and I will change my mind, I do care about others just have not fallen for this destroys large numbers of people ztereotype you anti casino people are throwing out there. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:37 AM:

" The pipe dreams that a casino creae in the minds of some people is amazaing. That and the lack of concern they have for others leads me to the conclusion that this country has left its best days behind with ever increasing speed. "

chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:45 AM:

" As of the latest figures available in 2003, the commercial casino industry has provided over 350,000 jobs in the US and a related 400,000 jobs supporting the industry. Wages and benefits totaled over 11 billion dollars. State and local governments have received over 4 billion in tax revenue which has funded numerous infrastructure programs and provided local tax relief. Communities with casinos have experienced a 43% rise in revenue for their hotel and lodging sectors. A UofI study noted communities with or close to casinos typically experience a 12-17% decrease in welfare payments, unempoyment insurance payments, and unemployment rates. A congressionaly mandated NGISC report concluded gambling is simply an entetainment pastime which had emerged as an economic mainstay for many communities. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:06 AM:

" oops 2008 , sems to me I'm still living in the past too "

mp6500 wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:53 AM:

" Christnlady,

....I am greatly offended of the grossly over generality that all older people, that go to casinos, are mindless drones that are so mesmerized by the pretty flashing lights, gambling away every penny they have with no regard to their personal wellbeing. I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, as there is always, but I know several older people that enjoy the casino and care greatly about where “the food for tomorrow will come”. I understand you are against casinos, but please do not assume all older gamblers are frivolous with their finances. Thank you and have a wonderful day. "

mp6500 wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Christnlady,

We used to take my 84 yr old Grandma to the boat almost every other weekend before she passed away a few months ago. I can not explain how much enjoyment she received playing her favorite "Texas Tea" slot machine. She lived off her social security, which was not much, but she saved her change so that she would have money to play the penny slot. You say "people during the day at Boonville in their 80's, barely able to get around, on fixed incomes, gaming as quickly as they can get the money in the slots, with no thought of where the food for tomorrow will come." .... "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:33 AM:

" thanks sports mom , I call em like I see em , it is what it is "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:32 AM:

" This seems to me to be moral arguement against versus an economic arguement for . The other reason I support it over the negative arguement, is that this is a democracy . People have the freedom to choose to be a success story or a failure . People can choose to do nothing and achieve nothing unfortunately in ademocracy, they can choose to beleive in God or not, they can choose how to spend their money wisely or unwisley. That being said the casino is a choice , whether you want to define is good or bad is your right
We can not in the year of 2007 continue to shelter our
cties from choices as we di in the 1800's and early 1900's "

stop wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:32 AM:

" I wish i had the gift like Christnlady to take one look at a person and know so much about their life, thoughts, income. Wow what a wonderful gift, a person with that ability would do great in sales. Can you predict the future?
If you think it's pathetic why are you there? "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:27 AM:

" chrstianlady
I'm know there are negatives to a casino, the main one being that people will spend hard earned money or pension money in excess . But..that beintg said , you have to admit that the city will develop more revenue from this which can go into budget to make our city better, state revenue is derived fron casino taxes to,now the ant i casino deny this because it makes their position less negative . I'm not sold that the negatives overweight the postives by alot like you say. The trade off is how many will hurt themselves financially versus how many will benefit from the extra city revenue? I can't it seeing being one sided on the negative side like you allsay "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:08 AM:

" Unlike at Vegas or on the Cruise ships, you see people during the day at Boonville in their 80's, barely able to get around, on fixed incomes, gaming as quickly as they can get the money in the slots, with no thought of where the food for tomorrow will come. If you look for stats on the internet, you can always find something to support your side. The website "Gambling with the Good Life" has many interest points. This is a vice that has little good for a very few. It redistributes wealth, doesn't create it, and the statistics of bankruptcy and gambling are directly related. Crime will go up because of the influx of out-of-towners, and our kidswillseethatweokayit. "

mark_von wrote on Jan 10, 2008 10:43 PM:

" Billy Ray you bring up a very good point. I am very pro-gaming and will vote for this issue. YET if a company does come in and that company does not offer a good enough deal for the citizens of JC I wouldnt support it. "

sportsmom wrote on Jan 10, 2008 10:39 PM:

" Maxheadroom's my hero. And not just because I'm old enough-er young enough to know his moniker, but because of this quote:
" now you anti casino people better circle the wagons and get the word out to your breathern ,because if you lose there wil lnot be a scond make up vote this time "

I am LMBO. So, how do we keep the fanatics from running it out if it does pass? I assume whatshisface across the river is still capable of stirring the pot when prodded...although I hope not!
"

mark_von wrote on Jan 10, 2008 10:37 PM:

" Christnlady, I have been there during the day and in the evening. I see people enjoying themselves with their own money doing something they choose to do. Whats so pathetic about that? "

swissgirl wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:45 PM:

" Fortress, if you didn't see Boonville before the casino arrived, you wouldn't say the casino did not make a difference. Compared to how it was, that town is thriving. It has been a remarkable transformation. For every person who enters a casino, the city gets $1 and the county gets $1 in tax. It adds up fast. Casinos provide hundreds of good, well-paying jobs and they're good corporate citizens, donating to local causes. Think of all the people who would make the short drive from the Lake of the Ozarks to a casino in JC! I'm very excited about this vote. I just hope if it passes a casino company will consider coming in despite some of the provincial attitudes expressed on this thread. "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:21 PM:

" Over saturation in MO is definitely a possibility...and I think we need to talk to more than 1 or 2 friends...i believe someone needs to talk to the police & sheriff's dept. to hear their side of the impact. One needs to visit the Boonville Boat during the weekday and see the crowd that's there spending their dollars, it's pathetic! really pathetic! I'm sure if you went, you'd see the same thing......Let's vote NO if it comes to the voters, i'd rather be safe than sorry later! "

billyray111 wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:04 PM:

" Fortress; I have three very close friends that live in Booneville. I just called one of them and asked if the casino has improved their town in any way. He could not talk enough about all of the improvements that the city has made since the casino opened. You may not see if you have not been going to Booneville on a regular basis. The town is still a semi-rundown river town but the improvements are there. You have to also remember that the city was really run down when they started the improvements "

JC NATIVE wrote on Jan 10, 2008 7:38 PM:

" Other casinos mayB established; however, J.C. is centrally located & it'll be no problem supporting it; people will travel here from all over, 2. Many will stop by to/fro the lake area. It will be new & people will flock in. Business folks, vacationers, retired, etc. will all support it; J.C. desparately needs some entertainment for locals & visitors. This city needs a lot; this is a start...JOBS, revenue, etc. Hope it becomes reality! "

Fortress wrote on Jan 10, 2008 7:36 PM:

" The Riverboat in Boonville has not revitalized that town. The one time I visited that Riverboat this summer I was shocked at how bad Boonville looked and thought " wow the Riverboat has not help this town at all" It looks pretty bad and not much is going on for the residents. Some exits are worse than others.

Before you say that the Riverboat in Boonville has done anything for that town, make sure you drive through the town and the neighborhoods. "

Fortress wrote on Jan 10, 2008 7:31 PM:

" Yeah, right, a Riverboat will help fix up elderly homes, and make bus rides cheaper.

Just like the MO Lottery money is going to support schools districts and lower or eliminate that part of our Real Estate taxes but they just keep going WAY up.

When MORE Revenue comes in Governments SPEND more and in more excess and taxes actually end up going up. "

KC911foryou wrote on Jan 10, 2008 7:26 PM:

" I'm curious. Does everyone realize that if we vote "yes" to amend the charter to allow riverboat gaming that it does NOT mean that "Poof" we are going to have a riverboat? It sounds to me like many are confused. We don't even know if a gaming company is interested in our little town. If a company did become interested in our community, the city council would have to approve it and they would likely put that proposal on another ballot. Remember, we voted in 1992? In those 3 years that it was legal to build a gaming facility here, did it happen? The charter should be changed and let the voters decide later if a boat will be here. "

billyray111 wrote on Jan 10, 2008 5:23 PM:

" One other thing. Someone needs to show me where the money is going to go that the operator of the boat will to pay. In black and white ,not just lip service. "

billyray111 wrote on Jan 10, 2008 3:34 PM:

" I personally do not like the casinos, not my bag of tea. But my wife,inlaws and friends do.With that being said I must admit that I am going to vote for it.But I dont believe that there is enough gambling money to go around that would warrant a casino company to invest the money that it would take to put a casino in JC.You have to ask yourself this question.Where will the customer base come from. JC and the surrounding communities are not big enough to support this on their own.I know Booneville is smaller but it has alredy established itself and is drawing people from all over central Mo.I just cant help but think that it is to late for JC "

chitown wrote on Jan 10, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Ok Rick - If you are going to delete my posts, then at least have thec ourtesy to remove the ones addressing me that I am not allowed to reply to. "

online_editor wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:49 AM:

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boxergal wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:18 AM:

" Maybe if a casino comes in we will get another newspaper? Hey, theres a brilliant idea. And my kid is a writer, theres a job for him. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:16 AM:

" PLEASE DO NOT E MAIL ME ANYMORE AND TAKE ME OUT OF THIS FORUM. ITS A BAD HABIT THAT I NEED TO BREAK. HEY, I AM ADDICTED, WILL YOU ALL HELP ME? "

boxergal wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:25 AM:

" That should have been "on" and "bringing". My typing is bad this early, sorry. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:24 AM:

" bite tongue, bite tongue. I have to respond to something, even though I am trying to stay out of here. Someone said that they thought whomever initiated this is one someone's payroll. Not sure about that one. My relative was involved (very involved) in bring the last boat in and I can guarantee you he wasn't on anyone's payroll. Local businessmen see an opportunity and they grab it. I doubt anyone was paid off or is on anyone's payroll. "

FalconFan wrote on Jan 10, 2008 4:10 AM:

" If I'm not mistaken the council's vote was to determine if this matter was to be put on the April ballot? Not if they approve/dissaprove of a riverboat casino. I'm quite disappointed that the council even had 4 against a re-vote. Imagine if we (America) never re-voted on issues that were previously disapproved. Our country would be run by communists and we wouldn't enjoy the individual rights we have today. We are blessed to live in a free and prosperous country, enjoy it!!!! "

webamerica wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:06 PM:

" It's about time. All votes should be up to the people...period. Just because a few people made bad
financial decisions shouldn't stop progress for everybody. If we want to see change...this will probably be our last chance to voice strong support
for a casino by votes. Rally the troops and get out
and vote for change/progress in JC. I applaud the city council for doing the right thing. If you want to see new jobs, better entertainment, and financial support for JC. Get out and vote....YES!
"

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:00 PM:

" stats "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:00 PM:

" google and check out similar sized river casino towns and look at the stas on economic impact on these cities , seems to be good from what I have seen "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:56 PM:

" Personally i see a lot of other towns THRIVING without a casino, but you have to get busy and find something that the people want, that can benefit them, in a more positive aspect, in my opinion, especially one for the whole family. Like i said, there needs to be a lot of homework done by everyone before they decide, not just voting with their opinion. I don't see that big of business coming to Jeff City, when boonville is so close and our incomes here just don't allow for these kind of regular excesses. I'm sure whoever is initiating this is on somebody's payroll, and we've all been promised lots of education money by the lottery. I sure haven't seen taxes godownbecauseofthatwindfallpromise. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:08 PM:

" The money the city gets from the casino can also help people who need it, such as elderly fixing up their homes. It can make bus service cheaper for the needy. It can provide sidewalks for people without cars to walk on. A casino can actually help a lot of people.

Why don't you want our town to grow and prosper?

Why don't you want opportunities for our children to stay?

Why don't you want a reason for tourists and visitors to come here? "

Christnlady wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:56 PM:

" I think the bad will definitely outweigh the financial possibilites of this casino, and hope that the people weigh the whole idea, not just what some "of them" want. Everyone needs to look at some of the other towns with the newer casinos, and talk to the locals to see what they say......instead of just guessing, i bet they'd get an earful. Being a Christian lady, i don't see any benefit to gambling, just a quick way to spend some hard earned money, and if you go to Boonville, you'll see a lot that don't have it to spend, spending it quicker than they can shove it down the machines. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:51 PM:

" Yes, I look forward to all the benefits that the casino will bring, with very little downside or negatives.

The zealots can continue to condemn people who do not live their lives like they say that is the only right way, but this is AMERICA, and we are the LAND OF THE FREE and the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY. This is not the Soviet Union. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:49 PM:

" I don't care about the casino, but I sure look forward to all the infrastructure improvements to our city that the casino will provide us. I look forward to the high paying jobs a casino will bring us. I look forward to the increased economic activity that will generate lots of money for our businesses who benefit from having more visitors to our city. I look forward to the crusty old Jefferson City attitude of not growing being tossed out. I look forward to the 4-6 million dollars that the casino will be paying the city treasury every year for us to spend to upgrade our services and infrastructure. "

kc911foryou wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:47 PM:

" Finally! A vote to let US vote! For the opponents to riverboat gaming I'd say "not so fast" to your confidence in another victory. The opposition relies on their former constituency to be overwhelming. What if, after 15 years, local gamblers are no longer afraid to have riverboat gaming here? There is a whole different demographic to deal with now. I'm confident that the voters who travel to Boonville to spend, lose or win money would be much happier not having to make a 50 mile drive to gamble. They would love to gamble near home and would likely gamble more often since a boat here is closer. Also, the restaurants on these boats are great! Thanks! "

Fortress wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:23 PM:

" Those 10 city council people should NOT be allowed to override a ban we voted on. Control City spending and salaries instead of bringing gambling and more crime to our area to raise REVENUE so city government can waste more money.

If you are a council person who voted FOR a riverboat then drive up to Boonville and spend a week in that area and in that smoke pit they call a casino. See if that is what you want for Jefferson City.
A half hour in that place was enough for me. The people and the place made me sad and I lost $10.00 "

online_editor wrote on Jan 9, 2008 5:53 PM:

" I felt compelled to remove a few recent posts in this forum because a part of the discussion continued to dwell on the previous sniping even after I asked people to stick to dissecting the issue. If you're caught in that net, it may be because any comments that appeared not to comply with the request could have prompted more sniping. I asked both sides to stop because it appeared that the bashing went both ways, and I do have other duties besides tidying up every bit of sniping back to its roots every time it breaks out. (Only you can prevent forum fires.) So I'm asking nicely for on-topic compliance from this point forward. Once I've done that, please don't continue off-topic discussion about it. "

dalejrbudride wrote on Jan 9, 2008 5:40 PM:

" by the way, and i hope i don't start an uproar here , but is bingo gambling? i mean ,you pay money for your cards ,,in hope of making more money if you win the big pot. that is gambling to me... we gamble with our lives every day driving to work ! viva las vegas "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 5:37 PM:

" "Mayberry, ha!" I just told my husband I live in Hootersville (Holts Summit). Greeeeen Acres..... "

dalejrbudride wrote on Jan 9, 2008 5:24 PM:

" hey, i've got an idea.. let's toss a coin.. heads we get gambling..tails we don't oh heck what am i thinking... that would be gambling, like we do on our weekly football pools and superbowl squares.. playing mo lottery and powerball, buying scratch- off tickets etc. bring on the casino 's this city will spring to life !!! "

bubbahotep wrote on Jan 9, 2008 5:24 PM:

" Ahh, the Mayberry syndrome is alive in folks. Wake up Thelma Lou, Jeff City has problems. Crime, drugs, violence. Was and always will be a part of any city this size that is growing. A casino will bring crime, HOW? Ask Boonville, Tunica, and others. We never had a casino, but State St. had what?? Know this town.We've always had crime here. We keep conference centers away, casinos away, and back in the 60's industry was kept out. We are behind and need to grow. Our kids leave for bigger and better things, I left for 15 years. I came back from KC. They had crime before the casinos. Do the casinos directly increas the crime? I'd say no, it has it's own life. "

online_editor wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:33 PM:

" Please stop dissecting each other and stick to dissecting the issue. Thanks. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:32 PM:

" boxergal wrote " I think you are yanking someones chain here, just to be yanking. "

Nooooooo! What fun would that be?
"

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:31 PM:

" I think you are yanking someones chain here, just to be yanking. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:30 PM:

" Oh now my hair is on fire. How is the churches place to tell anyone how to live???? Not butting in here but NDN is part native. So she may find God in the trees, the sky, birds and nature. She may worship differently than you (if thats OK). Its her life and who are you or anyone else to say what she does with it as long as she never hurts anyone. Please, please explain this to me because I sure don't understand. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:28 PM:

" Boomer, you mentioned that Branson and the Lake do not have casinos because they are not on the Mississippi or Missouri River. Who are we to say that they can't have casinos.? I say we need a statewide vote. Those places are being discriminated against!!!!! "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:25 PM:

" Jeffcitylocal, my point on schools is that their problems have nothing to do with funding. There is plenty of money in education. We don't need to spend anymore. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:21 PM:

" I don't care how anyone in here votes, as long as they have a vote. They need to follow their heart and do what THEY think is right. Thats whats so great about America. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:16 PM:

" You are way off on that one. I sometimes conform to a point that it makes me physically ill. I am always worried about what people think and feel. It gets old after a while. There comes a time when you just have to enjoy life and do what you feel is right and stop worrying about what everyone else does. I know I have. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:15 PM:

" ndnlvngcherokee wrote "It is not the churches place to tell me how i should live my life."

well, actually it is. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:14 PM:

" ndnlvngcherokee wrote "Byron W you keep trying to call everyone out as though their opinion shouldnt count.

Wrong, again. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:12 PM:

" Boomer, do your civic duty and get out and vote and stop whining. It doesn't take long. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:09 PM:

" Boscoe, no one is interested in what other people do with their money or free time. Those that oppose the casino do so because they care about other people and their problems. But instead of accepting their sincerity you demonize them. Radical individualism doesn't work in a stable society. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:05 PM:

" boxergal wrote "I can not save society no matter how hard I try....Its not my problem if someone has an addiction."

you can always strive to do what is right. What is wrong with society is the idea that what the individual wants is so important no matter what it does to anyone else. I see that attitude in many of the procasino posts. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:58 PM:

" more examples from chitown:

"You like things they way they are, we don’t, and it's the opinion of those, with those opinions, that makes this town the unprogressive backwater that it is.

"Who are you to condemn Democracy that does not agree with your version of it when it conflicts with religious zealotry? Just curious as to the skewed logic."

"Byron - The postings herein, yours included, are replete with religious zeal and righteous posturing, yours especially. To feel you can silence by admonition or lecture, opinions different them your own, speaks volumes about yourself and your agenda.'

all the above are unwarranted lies. but you weren't the only one doing this kind of thing.
"

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:57 PM:

" chitown, you ask why some people take offense to your attitude toward thos that oppose a casino. The following quotes from you should explain:

"Opponents do not want a vote on this issue and somehow interpret a citizen vote as trampling on their rights to disenfranchise an entire community opinion. Amazing, but purely Jefferson City zealot appropriate."

"anti gambling proponents all have vested interests in denying a vote of the people for this issue. … Should we allow those who could not control their own actions control ours? Should we allow those with religious agendas control ours? Should we allow this city to languish due to the desires of those who wish to deny its progress and financial investment in the future? "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:32 PM:

" Abomb - good analogy. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:29 PM:

" ha!!!! now, now, thats just an old wives tale. Hey, I will tell you what, rent a big old yellow school bus, paint it with some peace signs and I will tote you all around to the polls. It will take us back to our hippie days and the Magic Bus. You can even bring your gambling, smoking friends along. "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:29 PM:

" or even right. sarcastic or joking remarks are sometimes hard to catch when in writing and not spoken.
I can agree but it does show who took the time to go and how important it is to them when it does go to vote in April. There voice is important also and they do have just as much right as anyone else to voice how they feel.
Although this New Hampshire vote is done, it wont be revoted on again. "

sandhouse wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:24 PM:

" " Sandhouse - bringing your gambling and smoking friends, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You forgot the prostitutes. oh too funny. ".......................
All the prostitutes we need can be found in City Hall and the Capitol Building. "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:19 PM:

" Abomb you are right, I didnt read it write. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:08 PM:

" The biggest reason Branson doesn’t have a casino is because it’s not on the Mississippi or Missouri River. Casinos are only allowed on those rivers in MO. Good thing too , or Lake Ozark would have one in the works with that huge new conference center being already planed and built there by John Q. Hammons.
We’d never find anyone to invest in JC then.
"

Jeffcitylocal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Truthseeker, but there are many people around the area that want a casino. Private business owners are the main groups in opposition because they know casinos would take away their business. They are afraid of competition. If it were not for the state law that restricts casinos to the Missouri and Mississippi rivers there would already be one in the area. I will say that the Branson Landing development and convention center is very nice. Something like that would be very nice along our river front instead of the proposed construction of trails on swamp land. "

Abomb wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Truthseeker, I think you missed my point. Hillary did win New Hampshire, despite the much bigger crowds that showed up for Obama's speeches. That's why we vote instead of counting the number of people who show up for a public meeting. "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:42 PM:

" Branson has all of that too, and no casino. "

Jeffcitylocal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:39 PM:

" Byron W.
No a casino cannot teach children, but it can be a source of funding for our public school system and provide more jobs. Has anyone listened to the evaluation that Market Street gave our city? To sum it up they said our local economy relies too much on State government. And we don’t offer JACK to do here in the form of entertainment. NOT EVERYONE WANTS A STATE JOB! Probably the most business growth in recent years that we had is CHECK AND GO, PAYDAY LOANS, CHECK INTO CASH, ETC. It’s not just about gambling. A casino here could have an entertainment venue, amphitheater, and not to forget very nice restaurants.
"

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:38 PM:

" hhhmmm...last I heard this morning Hillary was ahead in New Hampshire, did something change? "

Abomb wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:33 PM:

" Saying we shouldn't have riverboats because a big group at the council meeting didn't want them is like saying Obama won New Hampshire because he had more people at his speeches. "

Jeffcitylocal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Boomer,

Sorry, I meant west of highway 54. "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:06 PM:

" From a St. Louis Post article, 95 was a special election held in Nov. The article also says JC had 24,000 registered voters at the time. I am lousy at math but I think that means less than 1/2 of registered voters voted at that time(which was according to this article more than voted in 92) for such an important issue. "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:39 PM:

" Boomer using the stats the article has, 1992, the year of the first whole state vote allowing boats on the MO and MISS rivers was a presidential election year when the max voters should have been voting. Prop 1 and 2 (which was the first Jefferson City only vote)was 3 years later(not a big election year regardless of April or Nov which I dont know). This is the last sentence from the article..."The total votes cast on Proposition 1 was 61 more than the number of people approving a boat in 1992." So the point I am making that if people really want or dont want something they will get out and vote regardless of when is proved by their stats.


"

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:28 PM:

" I can understand how travel may create more stress in voting but it really shouldnt because I believe absentee ballots are mailed to people who need them.
Lots of people will sign a petition for something but getting those people to go to the polls is another thing. I not like to generalize and dont know who signed but a lot of those signers probably wouldnt have shown up at the poll no matter when it was held. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:24 PM:

" The one thing all the towns I have ever visited (great places and dump’s alike) all have in common is that every one of them could easily be fit into my rearview mirror, just like lots of good people have already done with JC. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:14 PM:

" I am sorry if I misunderstood your comments. I perceived them to be from someone looking for an edge on the outcome. I too am also very unhappy with the voter turn out. I had gathered hundreds of signatures about an issue, with not one person contacted disagreeing about the issue, and then at the polls no one bothered to show up. I blame it on when the election was held. The obvious mentality around here is that voting maybe once a year is enough. I travel a lot and so special elections do annoy me. I have voted at every election since I was 18, and that was long ago. "

akb wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:12 PM:

" I can honestly say that I can not understand why it's such a big deal that the citizens of Jefferson City are being given the opportunity to vote on this. I just can't wrap my head around it. It's a VOTE. Calm down, people! "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:59 AM:

" Right, you better rally all your buddies if you are for the casino to vote, but if the opponents do the same then there are those on here who think they shouldnt be allowed to do that. What the heck? There is so much contridiction from people on here it is almost hilarious if it werent so stupid.(I dont mean that statement for any one person)Lets let people vote again, but if it doesnt pass we have the right to vote again. These same people dont think the opposition should have had the same right though. There is a word for that type of belief in government and I am going to stop there. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:57 AM:

" So can anyone help with information about the dates this was voted on here and the results? Was it a special election when it passed, or when it failed? "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:48 AM:

" During the November elections is the time for important decisions to be made. Always has been and always will be. Lots of organizations offer to help senior citizens and other that need it with a ride to and from the polls. Will that happen in April? Heck no! (We don’t need their votes messing up the results, right???) Like I said before, timing, timing, timing. To those that say they would like to have a boat here, you had better rally all your bud’s and make sure you vote…. And be ready to do it again if you win. "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:46 AM:

" Dont even begin to think you know what I want. What I want is for people to get off their lazy behinds and vote and quit blaming others for why they cant or didnt and then whine when it doesnt go their way. OK? Now you know what I believe. I believe strongly in everyone exercising their right(NO RESPONSIBILITY)to vote by making it a priority not by finding reasons they couldnt and then complain later. MOST people do not work from the time the polls open until they close. There is time if one wants to vote. You may have to go while your spouse stays with the kids and vice versa but VERY FEW people cant make it to the polls during the opentimesiftheymakeitapriority. "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Boomer,not fair! I have a family also & we work to feed them etc too. The date of the election is set, the hours are set that the polls are open. The law requires employers to give people time to vote(now I am going to have to find out what the law actually says)I am disgusted by what you say about me not even knowing me. I have voted at almost every election since I was old enough to do so. I have had to work out schedules at times to be able to do that also. You are not being fair in that comment.
If you read any of my posts I am sick about the number of people who donttakethetimetovotehere. "

online_editor wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:12 AM:

" Truthseeker: That's a good point. If you don't see your post after submitting it, refresh the page. You may be drawing an outdated page out of your browser's cache. That could be a portion of what's happening for some folks. There are sporadic times, however, when we've now come to believe that the phenomenon happens when we're doing a lot of work on the website behind the scenes and the database simply coughs under the strain of updating. In that case, wait a moment and it'll change. Oh no wait, that's a description of Missouri weather. In that case, it should straighten itself out in a short time. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:09 AM:

" those that have gambling problems cant handle it....even without a casino they will still have gambling problems. It is not the churches place to tell me how i should live my life. We each have to choose our own direction in life and trust me it isnt always what the church wants...also go to the different religious backgrounds and heck they dont even agree on everything. And that list that goes to the casinos and has cards at more than one guess what my name is on them...lets do a sound out...sure many in here go to casinos...doesnt make them gamblers with a problem...heck life is a gamble...learn to take responsiblity for your own actions... "

ndnlvngcherokee wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Byron W you keep trying to call everyone out as though their opinion shouldnt count. I do believe I am the only one who you didnt have something negative to say something to in here..So here is your chance...first off if im not mistaken wasnt there a vote of YES the first time only to be brought back to have it put down by the religious groups with a special NO vote?? So if what you say is true shouldnt the first Vote be the one that was held up because the people said they wanted it. Its time to quit blaming others for something a few cant handle (gambling) do we not show compassion yes we do but also dont take from us... "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Well most of us “we the people” are mostly working to feed our family with our time needed for them. Scheduling a vote during known “low voter turn out” is in of itself pandering to special interest groups. But that sounds like just what you want "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Boomer said "to be allowed to vote on it when the maximum number of “we the people” will be turning out to vote."
I disagree, it is not the governments responsibiblity to make sure someone votes. The issue will be on the April ballot. Anyone who cares one way or the other will know it is on that ballot. If it is worth it to someone to vote for or against it they will be there in April. The maximum number of "we the people" have the right to vote then. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:27 AM:

" I think what is being said by both sides is that this issue is a passionate one and deserves to be addressed in as much a forthright manner as possible. No under the table deals, (no pun intended) and no mis-information or half truths, or scare tactics need be used. We want accurate good information pro and con, and to be allowed to vote on it when the maximum number of “we the people” will be turning out to vote. Once should be enough, agreed to by all and not repeated for another 15 years either way. That sound fair enough? "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:54 AM:

" gotta go, someone is counting my posts.....hey sand, don't forget that velvet hat when you show up with your gambling, smoking, sinning friends. I just have a visual image of all of this and somehow its too funny. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Boscoe - I had the funniest thing said to me by a Walmart clerk on a Sunday morning. She looked at me while she was checking me out and told me people had just come from church and they were angry. I just found that so strange. Do some of the ministers work these people up that much? "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Rick,I have had the same thing happen(posts not appearing). If you simply refresh the page my experience has been it is there. "

chitown wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Thanks Online-Ed. Didn't think I was being out of line, even though Byron does provoke from time to time. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Sandhouse - bringing your gambling and smoking friends, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You forgot the prostitutes. oh too funny. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:21 AM:

" I don't understand the religious zelots' deep intereste in what other people do with their money or free time. It must be a "misery loves company" thing- they can't drink, dance, or have fun because their convention tells them they can't, so they don't want anyone else around here to have fun either. However, the rest of us can listen to the evidence, read the facts, read our own bibles, and use our own heads to make up our own minds.

I don't mind what they believe and practice, but I don't need them shoving their beliefs and practices on me and my life. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:17 AM:

" Ok, Byron, here goes. I can not save society no matter how hard I try. I learned that a long time ago. Actually, I border on a bleeding heart. But when is society going to step up and take responsibilites for their own actions? Its not my problem if someone has an addiction. Go to AA, get some help from your family but its not my responsibility to help them. I feel for people with problems but just wish they would take care of themselves instead of asking everyone else for help. I don't consider myself or anyone else selfish if they feel that way. Do you have it on your agenda to save the world? "

truthseeker wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:15 AM:

" I wonder, when this is voted on AGAIN in April, if it fails again from what I am reading here the proponents should not expect another vote right? If it is not approved this time you know as well as I do that someone will try to bring it up again. Yet there are those on here who dont think the people opposed to it for whatever reason should be allowed to do the same. "

online_editor wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:15 AM:

" In reference to disappearing posts: For some reason the forum system is putting some posts into temporary limbo and then they reappear a short time later. They're not being manually removed or changed administratively; it's some technical glitch with the database. I've seen instances of it as it happened, but we don't understand what's causing it. Because it's sporadic and usually temporary, it's hard to track down. I've been trying to look for clues or some pattern whenever I see double posts, which I'm interpreting as a sign that the author experienced the problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. --Rick Brown, online editor, News Tribune "

chitown wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Byron wrote:

"What do you expect when supporters like you lie about them"

Explain "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:13 AM:

" Byron - I just got the feeling from posts further down that no one should be allowed to vote on issues. I am sorry but something was strange about a couple of posts. I would never in a million years get upset because a community was given the right to vote. Never. Its your right. Now another thing that bothers me (and I saw this all of the time). Were the leaders of these groups telling these people that if they would show up in force they would get their way? Cause nothing is further from the truth, nothing. Its ALL taken into account. Not just a group of people showing up at a meeting. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Actually Byron (and not to argue) we discarded (in state government) all e mails that did not have a name and address on them. It was a process where you responded with letters and put them on a list in alpha order. Then the dups were discarded. Don't know if city does that or not but I am assuming they are smart enough to figure that one out. "

Mid-Mo wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:06 AM:

" Byron- What I meant was that too many times in this city and many other places, we see council members not listening to ALL of their constituents. Some of them just take their personal morals into account. If a councilman decides he (or she) is against an issue, but the majority of their ward is in favor of the issue, it's not that councilman's job to be the "moral compass" for their entire ward and go against the people's wishes. Yes, they were voted in buy those people, but if they decide on their own, they won't get voted back in. One more thing, it was voted on and passed, and then later defeated. Putting it up for vote again is called progression. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Apparently some people live in a vacuum where a decision once made should never be reconsidered. We don’t need to grow or react to changes , lets all continue to ride horses, and listen to AM radio by candle light. Once every 15 years is not too much to ask,………… get real! "

Toots wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Uhmmm... yes newtv, I'm well aware that it was the council who allowed the vote to go through; they are the representatives of Jefferson City, and they knew that this should be a matter up to the total population, not just those who showed up to protest at the council meetings. If they had not allowed it, would others then have to accuse the council of blackmail (as you have) from those who are trying to suppress democracy?? "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:50 AM:

" One more thing, and not to pick a fight, but Jeffcitylocal, I couldn’t identify where “North of the river” highway 50 runs. I think 50 crosses the MO near Union , but that’s a bit East to do much for our local economy. Please don't take it all too seriously everybody, it's just another big decision we have to make here in our small town. I love democracy, but it only works if we show up. I agree with the post that said the issue should include all gambling. No casino, = no bingo, no loto, no raffles etc. LOL "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:48 AM:

" no, sandhouse, it is the procasino people that have just proven that they do not respect respect the ballot results. It was voted on and it was defeated. If you want to gamble go to Boonville.
"

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:48 AM:

" What I’m saying is this should not be voted on until in November. Information about a casino’s economic and cultural impact should be well published to help the voters decide for themselves without rumors and scare tactics. I’d love to be able to publish all the names of people that live in JC that have active cards to the casinos in KC, St. Louis, Tunica Miss, along with Boonville. Do you think we’d see any Red faces? I do Everyday people will have to vote this in two times in a row to win. We’re not that organized or care that much about anything going on around here to bother. That’s why we have a council, to decide for us "

Boomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:47 AM:

" With real Estate, it’s location, location, location. With democracy it’s timing, timing, timing!
We’ve seen this show before. I don’t think for one minute the majority of the voters of JC will bother to show up at the poles in April. Only a few hundred showed up to vote about the burning issue that was delayed and put off until the council was comfortable knowing only a few would vote, so the nay say'ers got the win. The same goes for this deal. If it’s passed in April the churches will gather and just vote it back out in November. But if they show up in force and win in April there will never be a “do over”.
"

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:46 AM:

" maxheadroom, ione person can send many e-mails "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:44 AM:

" Mid-Mo wrote Should the personal beliefs of a council member decide the fate of an issue for ALL of their constituents? Absolutely not!

why bother with the council at all? let's vote on every issue. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:42 AM:

" boxergal wrote "I gotta tell you all, I am dumbfounded at some of the things that have been said in here. I feel like I am living in Communist China."

explain?
"

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:41 AM:

" boxergal wrote "Byron - may I please ask you why these people asking for a vote is any more selfish that the opposition asking that they not put it on the ballot?

It is selfish because the supporters care, it appears, only about the money a casino will generate or his or her own personal pleasure. Many posts have made it clear they don't care anything about anyone with a gambling problem.
"

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:37 AM:

" how can anyone believe that a casino will keep younger people from leaving the minute they get their diploma? It is irrational. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:35 AM:

" maxheadroom wrote: "Pro casino people were letting democracy work without undue influence over the council,"

Pure fantasy. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:34 AM:

" chitown wrote "So when the anti-casino vote loses, we see who they really are. Just read these posts, my God these people are bitter, and hate everybody."

What do you expect when supporters like you lie about them? "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:32 AM:

" jeffcitylocal, a casino will not help with the problems with the public school system. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:31 AM:

" Boscoe, the voices of the people were being heard. That is why they had hearings. Now you'll get to hear from the special interests. "

sandhouse wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:02 AM:

" Although I'm sure the evangelical wingnuts will never respect the ballot results if it doesn't fit into their dogma, ie. the statewide ballot on Prop. 2, I'm glad the citizens of Jefferson City get to vote on the issue. I will be there, and I'm bringing all my drinking, smoking, gambling friends with me. LOL. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:25 AM:

" "A plague of locusts, ha!" Well, if thats the case bring it on. He is a top notch builder and is developing in my area. I am hoping he takes the whole darned town over we need some things over here. I thought it was the builder Ed Storey that was for this but maybe I am wrong. Heck, I don't know anything about it but wish for 2 things....1. this time they wine and dine a casino owner that they can't find dirt on and number 2. people don't ask for a second vote. Maybe someone can enlighten on who has a hand in some of this now. "

JC_guy wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:07 AM:

" I say let us vote on it. That will decide what the people want. As for me I would like to see a river boat here I think we need more options for entertainment for those who live here and for those who visit. We have a lot of attractions to get people to come to JC (i.e. capitol etc) we just don’t have a lot of things for them to do in the evening after they get done with their conference or visit to the capitol. The river boat seems to fit in nicely with the prison redevelopment and the conference center. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:02 AM:

" newtv..you and I have a different definition of " the people" What was there number wise at the meeting a little over 100 ? Asfar as I know there is 39 to 40.000
people in Jefferson City, I do not call your forum number a true representation of that number. Like Boxer said , phone calls and emails to each council memeber or conversations outside the council may have outnumbered the anti casino people at the forum
The senior folks can go to meetings a little more easy than working people and family people . If your flock at the council meeting truly represents what Jefferson City people want it will show in the vote , right ? "

chitown wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:14 PM:

" Thanks Boxer, I thought it was like a plague of locusts, or an invasion or something like that. Well, anyway, if you read these posts long enough the real issues come out soon enough. There is apparently a history here with the council and the OTKEs, a casino is just a vehicle to voice opposition to whatever the real problem is. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:11 PM:

" gotta go, someone will accuse me of being in here too long like in another forum. Will be anxious to read some more of this tomorrow. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:06 PM:

" Trust me, your letters, e mails and phone calls matter just as much. I know, I answered them on a state level. What I would love to ask is this....did someone promise these people that if they showed up in huge groups, they would be able to persuade the councilman not to put it on the ballot? Were they told this by the church leaders or what? Anyway, an Otke is a builder. I didn't realize he was taking things over but whatever. He is building over here in HS, not sure what he has to do with the casino. "

chitown wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:59 PM:

" What's an OTKE? "

chitown wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:58 PM:

" Yeah Boxer thats what I meant. I posted, you posted, they were there, then they disappeared. I'm not drinking tonight, my meds are under control, so I didn't have an excuse for what was going on. Good post on the e-mails and calls. Apparently "ole newt" there feels that you just gotta show up and that 22 people are a majority. He dont care if I'm working two jobs, or the night shift, cant get a baby sitter, if I'm a single parent, or if I'm going to college at night. I dont count because I called in or e-mailed my opinion. Think about that, I have legitimate obligations where I cant go. So I dont matter. The opposition's viewpoint! "

Mid-Mo wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:57 PM:

" newtv: This is great, the way it should be. Let ALL of the people decide this issue. For something like this, it's a lot easier for the opposition to come out and speak than it is for those in favor. Now here's a question for you: Should the personal beliefs of a council member decide the fate of an issue for ALL of their constituents? Absolutely not! Their job is to listen to the public. It's OUR job to decide the fate of the measure. Just because more of the opposition spoke out publicy does not mean that was the only opinion being heard. You can bet that many people called or wrote privately in favor of this. This America, a Democracy. Let democracy work. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:52 PM:

" I don't think a majority rules when testifying. It merely is a way to voice your opinion so that the councilman or lawmaker weighs things out. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:48 PM:

" newtv - First I have to tell you I can not vote in this. Thats not to say I wouldn't like to see it happen. I understand how you feel. I worked in gov't for 30 years and part of my job was to type correspondence to constituents in response to letters that were sent in on various legislation. There would be people testifying on matters, calling, e-mailing and writing letters. Its a huge process. I think the councilmen probably listened to everyone. Do you really think it was crooked? Do you really believe that? I am just curious. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:43 PM:

" I gotta tell you all, I am dumbfounded at some of the things that have been said in here. I feel like I am living in Communist China. "

newtv wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:43 PM:

" I wouldn't care about the casino if I felt the decision was fair. But the overwhelming majority was opposed to the casino. This is my point. I don't care if they get calls or e-mails at home. I think if the issue is really important to you you go before the council and state your position. Those who come to the open forums should have more consideration. This is my complaint with this. It isn't gambling or democracy or taxes. It is that the council paid no attention to what the people apparently want. I have lived here all my life. This is a wonderful town. I absolutely love everything about it. Except I am tired of the OTkes building up everywhere "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:42 PM:

" Byron - may I please ask you why these people asking for a vote is any more selfish that the opposition asking that they not put it on the ballot? "Selfish"? Selfish to expect to have a voice in the democratic process. Again, this is scary. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:40 PM:

" Oh, yea, I have noticed that before too (if thats what he meant). "

mark_von wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:34 PM:

" Boxer and Chi, I had that problem earlier. I posted something came back it was there. A few minutes later it was gone. I doubled posted once because of that. They eventually came back. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:08 PM:

" Chi - they are what? "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:07 PM:

" I am a bit confused on something. Just because the opposition showed up does not mean that e mails and phone calls were not taken into account. I find this thinking so strange. Thats what councilmen do, they field calls at home and listen. So I am not sure I "get" the post about the opposition showing up. Can someone please explain this to me, it seems like tunnel vision. "

chitown wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Hey Boxer - They're taking down out posts... "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:04 PM:

" now you anti casino people better circle the wagons and get the word out to your breathern ,because if you lose there wil lnot be a scond make up vote this time "

jeffcitylocal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:03 PM:

" . . . Cont. with better job offerings. The younger people who run away the minute they get their diploma will give Jefferson City a second thought once they get their degree, masters, or doctorates would consider JC as a place to live permanently. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:02 PM:

" The anti casino people are mad for several reasons: 1.They fear a vote , it might pass. It did 60-40 till they somehow forced a second vote last time. 2.Because they thought if they outnumbered the pro casino at forum they could deny democracy , the right to vote that is. newtv says where all the pro casino people at the forum ? Pro casino people were letting democracy work without undue influence over the council , thats where they were Kudos to them and the council "

chitown wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:01 PM:

" And the lord said "let my people vote." "

boxergal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:58 PM:

" Chi - I thought it was just me but when I started at the bottom and was reading somehow I thought to myself "and these people are supposed to be regligious church going people"? And another thing, has anyone considered that if it did not go before a vote that someone might have been up for a lawsuit? I think its scary the way they are reacting, real scary. "

chitown wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:55 PM:

" So when the anti-casino vote loses, we see who they really are. Just read these posts, my God these people are bitter, and hate everybody. Everybody is dirty and dishonest but them. Yep, the true colors are coming out now. Imagine how they'll be if the casino vote passes in April. And folks, this is all over a ballot measure, a vote, they are angry because JC citizens can vote on the issue. They mad as hell because you get to vote. Absolutely amazing they are! Mark I disagreed with you on the tax break, but I am with you on this one. Gotta love this country sometimes.. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:47 PM:

" I like your thinking, Jeffcitylocal! "

jeffcitylocal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:45 PM:

" I’m for casino but, I’m more a proponent of economic development for JC. There is so much potential with at times almost equal resistance to move forward. We need a better public school system and a more diverse job industry. Why not have a separate High School for Art, Architecture, Engineering and the Performing Arts located in the Performing Arts Center? That would draw in some culture to JC. Lincoln please expand your degree offerings in science, engineering, and medicine. If our city can offer a better educational system higher paying employers would more likely locate here, because of highly educated youth. SOMEWONE BUILD A CAISNO NORTH OF THE RIVER, WEST OF HIGHWAY 50, AND INCLUED AN INDUSTRIAL PARK. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:41 PM:

" PRAISE THE LORD!!!

The voice of the people will be heard after all!!! "

mark_von wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:38 PM:

" Sorry for the double post. The first one didnt show up. "

mark_von wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:37 PM:

" I agree Byron, and I hope the radical religous right wont ask for a revote if this passes "

mark_von wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:32 PM:

" I agree Byron, and the radical right wing religious faction wont ask for a revote. "

Byron W. wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:25 PM:

" If it loses I hope that all the selfish folk that demanded the vote will shut up. "

mark_von wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:14 PM:

" Spelchek, yes move to Chattanoga, you are too forward thinking for us people here in Jeff City. You want to see progress, you want to see this city grow, you want to see the youth of this city be able to get good jobs and stay here. All kidding aside, Please dont move! We need more people like you. "

jeffcitylocal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:10 PM:

" spelchek,

Jefferson City is a long way off from Chatanooga. I just laugh at the thought. "

mark_von wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:09 PM:

" I am sure the council listens to more people then the ones at those forums. There are other ways of communication. I think they did vote the way the people wanted. They didnt vote to have a casino. they voyed to let the residents of Jefferson City have their say by conducting a vote. "

newtv wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:06 PM:

" spelchic, go to chatanooga.. Go go go "

newtv wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:03 PM:

" Toots...It wasn't Jefferson City who has allowed this vote to go through. It was 6 men on the coucil. "

newtv wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:01 PM:

" Shame on you Mr.Medin, to say you are against this vote and to vote in favor of it.....You should've been Man enough to vote the way the people wanted , the way you said you wanted. "

spelchek wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:59 PM:

" I'm pretty much indifferent. But I would like to see the city get more innovative than putting in a casino. When you think about it; who is this casino for? Us? Our restless youth? Out of towners? If this isn't related to the convention center or having something to do when legislators are in town, then what? Will Columbia come here instead of Boonville? St. Louis? Kansas City? Many business' provide jobs. Chatanooga has one of the best aquariums I've ever seen. IMAX theater too. Summer concerts off the river...just some ideas to look at. And if you tell me to move to Chatanooga, believe me, I've thought of it. "

newtv wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:55 PM:

" Where were all you in favor of this at the forums?? why wasn't your voice heard there. Shame on the Counsil lap dogs for bowing to big money Storey "

Missjc wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:35 PM:

" I am glad to see that we are going to be able to have the chance to vote it I just hope that if it does pass we actually get one this time. "

hasher28 wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:34 PM:

" I look forward to participating in a democratic vote which will help determine the future of this community. I realize this issue, if voted in, will not guarantee a company will want to locate a casino in this community; but rather allow for that possibility. I was unable to participate in the public forums due to work commitments. "

Toots wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Thank you Jefferson City for allowing us to be a democratic society and allowing ALL the people to decide on whether or not this should be voted in or not, and not just the influences of special interest groups. What happened 18 years ago should not decide what happens today! If Jefferson City "has a gambling problem" now then we need to also take away all the church and club raffles, bingos - oh the MO Lottery too. Why is Boonville so worried that this may pass? Because they know all the good citizens here won't bother coming to their casino any longer. I don't care about gambling but care when someone won't give me the chance to vote. "

swissgirl wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:10 PM:

" This is great news. I hope the pro-casino voters come out in full force and vote YES for progress, for economic development, for quality entertainment and dining options, for GOOD JOBS and TAX REVENUE to fix the city's streets, sidewalks, sewer system and other vital services and infrastructure. Isle of Capri totally turned Boonville around without the dreaded crime, drugs, etc. I am so glad to hear citizens will have a chance to vote on this. I feel sorry for those poor souls whose lives have been ruined by gambling--but whose fault was that? Why should the city and those who enjoy visiting a casino be denied all the benefits a casino can offer, because of others' addictions or weaknesses? "

newtv wrote on Jan 8, 2008 7:56 PM:

" I am against casinos in the city. But this isn't what this is about. It is about the council taking up peoples time . people putting thought into their presentations with the expectation it should make a difference if for no other reason but the sheer number of people showing up. The council did not listen to the people and I want to know who they were listening to. Because whoever that group or persons were didn't show up at the public forum and have some kind of hold on our council. Maybe it's blackmail or some money under the table. "

newtv wrote on Jan 8, 2008 7:51 PM:

" Why have a public forum if it won't make any difference. If there was a strong desire in this area for casinos then where were those people. The opposition showed up , not those in favor. so tell me this~ who were the city council listening to?? who told them to vote in favor of this? I smell a bunch of river rats. This was a dirty deal to do to the city. I'm telling you right now..don't you all ever say you are having another public forum about anything because no one will trust you enough to waste their time. This is all this was ..was a waste of VOTERS time. Can't wait to vote you all out. "


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