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Police target troublesome crowds

By Jeff Haldiman
jhaldiman@newstribune.com
Published: Thursday, January 3, 2008 9:39 PM CST
Jefferson City police plan to increase patrols near a convenience store where four people were shot early Tuesday.

The shootings occurred at the BP Gas Station, 807 Stadium Blvd., which also was the site of a July 2007 incident that led police officers to use mace on several people who were fighting.

Capt. Doug Shoemaker said police plan to have more officers in the area, especially after midnight and in the early-morning hours, when crowds generally begin to gather at the station.

“But we can't focus on one area alone because we have a whole city to patrol,” Shoemaker noted.

Meanwhile, owners of the business have turned over surveillance video to police to try to help the investigation. The owners are planning to put in more lighting in some areas and have put up signs to show that the area is monitored and patrolled by police. They say a decision about shutting down the business during the overnight hours still is being weighed.

Two people from Jefferson City and two people from Fulton have been identified as the victims in the shootings that occurred after what appears to have been an altercation involving a large crowd on the convenience store's parking lot.


Initially, police reported three people were treated for wounds, but changed that number after further interviews were completed Wednesday.

The shooting victims were identified as Secrisha Resonno, 24, and Herbert Rogers, 33, both of Jefferson City, and Corelle Clark, 21, and Cortez Cave, 22, both of Fulton.

All four are recovering from non-life threatening wounds, police said.

A check of court records on the Missouri court system's Internet database, CaseNet, shows Cave and Rogers have a history of drug-related convictions.

Tuesday's incident was reported just after 4 a.m., and police found the crowd was leaving when they arrived.

Details as to why the incident started and who started it are still unclear, and police say it has been hard for them to get information because they haven't gotten much cooperation from witnesses.

“There could be a number of reasons why they won't cooperate,” Shoemaker said. “We're confident we will know (the cause of the altercation). Past dealings with people might help bring us to conclusions, but assumptions can be misleading, so we deal with facts as much as possible.”

Police are asking anyone who might have information about this incident to call CrimeStoppers at 659-TIPS where information can be left anonymously.



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chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:39 PM:

" (Ouch) Ok I'm not a perfect typer. In this case two is always a majority. "

1957 wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Hello Chi where two or more are gathered on one accord.... well you know the rest. Anyway good to be smiling again Oh I must give you this jab( Damen) I also was at 79th Ashland and Paulina "

chitown wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:07 AM:

" OK My bad! We agree. We have to, not many of us down here. In answer to your previous question, 79th & Damon, Pulaski, Cicero etc. "

1957 wrote on Jan 10, 2008 7:08 PM:

" CHI, There was never a mention of dislike of the police I have some very nice aquaintances on the Force...My statement is the law and those who mete out punishmentare a FARCE!! the police only arrest they do not make the final decision on the perpertrators...As you can see by the Moniker I'm only 50 yrs.old still a young BUCK (SMILE) "

chitown wrote on Jan 10, 2008 3:18 PM:

" I agree that offenders do not get near the time they deserve, but the fact that they are arrested shows that an overworked police department is attempting to do their job. As far the address issue, close, and probably there longer than you been alive, but I do now understand your dislike for police. "

1957 wrote on Jan 10, 2008 2:21 PM:

" chitown, Are you REALLY Windy City Material??? I'm from 91st St.Lawrence Ave. There is no need for me to perpertrate,again what is fact is fact regardless of how ludicrious it may sound .But let's do as thr editor asked stay on the topic .I know there are loopholes and leagalities but to continue to slap reapeat offenders on the wrist and not hold them accountable for their actions ....What kind of service is this to the Community? "

chitown wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:49 AM:

" Yes 1858. I dont find it to be believable and criticism of our law enforcement is unwarranted. "

Hello wrote on Jan 10, 2008 12:48 AM:

" " They should take a look at what Break Time across the street is doing. They hire off duty Water Patrol Officers to man the store during evening hours. Breaktime also gets visits from Jefferson City Police and the Lincoln University Police Officers regularly "

Hello wrote on Jan 10, 2008 12:44 AM:

" JCPD has to assist several other area police departments too including the Capitol Police, Lincoln University Police, Cole County Sheriff, and so on. They have their hands full. "

joytotheworld wrote on Jan 9, 2008 6:29 PM:

" No , let's not throw the race card out here... :rollseyes:

This is about gang-banging activities. If they are white or black makes no difference to most , just stop them , please. "

1957 wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:21 PM:

" In response to Chitown ....Any particular reason ? "

chitown wrote on Jan 9, 2008 6:29 AM:

" I think that "Big Fish" story kinda stinks. "

1957 wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:32 AM:

" We really don't need to go racial and I am willing to challenge ANYONE who opposes what I am about to say The Law in Jefferson city Stinks I wrote about a month or two ago about how repeat offenders are slapped on the wrist and then are realeased back to the community.Why ? I personally experienced a break in in my home while in bed the Police and the Sherrif Dept. know who the perps. are BUT because one is the Town Snitch and was the ringleader, had no consequences to worry about.Again as I stated earlier law enforcement put the community at risk to find nickel/dime dealers instead of going after the Big Fish. "

omygoodness wrote on Jan 7, 2008 6:32 PM:

" sorry citizen jc we have youth outreaches and boys and girls club, low income free passes to the YMCA the thugs and gangbangers do not seem to like to hang at those place. My point is the clientele that hang at these stations never would have or never will hang at a community rec center, plenty of cities have these and still have the highest crime rates in America "

Citizen-JC wrote on Jan 7, 2008 12:29 PM:

" maxheadroom -- I think it could be done. But I also think there is a HUGE difference between offering a place and then manning it with only a skeleton crew to "clerk" and not restrict. I think a community outreach program combined with a youth center would help our youth out. BUT, that does not mean we open a gym with 1 guy at the front desk and then let ANYONE in un-supervised. Rules and regulations need to be in place, and then enforced. "

maxheadroom wrote on Jan 7, 2008 12:25 PM:

" you said it Native at the end of the post, how would you like to supervise a teen only area now a days day in and day out? Why do you think the mallchanged their curfew rules? Do you think the roller slaing rink just closed because of money? Look at the bowling alley trajedy several years back ? What? would you want to run abuisnees suited to young people hanging out ? Why do you rhink they lock down school halls after 3:30 pm ? Lot a liability and headaches in this area "

chitown wrote on Jan 7, 2008 12:05 PM:

" WHAT - Explain the racial issue to me.... "

JC Native wrote on Jan 7, 2008 9:08 AM:

" Reference nothing to do in J.C. I totally agree; we have had so very little to do in this town. However, this would be another subject as I don't see that this incident is connected to the situation of "things to do". However, if there is money to spend on the Adrain's Island, I would think that is the least of J.C.'s priorities! The first flood after that is done will wipe it out anyway. Let's concentrate on places for J.C. people of various ages to enjoy. But be prepared to have security for the younger groups or those places will be closed shortly after they open! "

JC Native wrote on Jan 7, 2008 9:04 AM:

" "oldman" I agree with you! The laws must be enforced & 2 often we see a mere "handslapping" which is not sufficient. Punishment must be harsh enough so most never want to repeat the experience. Yes, jail time is not a tough enough punishment; I have heard people out in public telling how "great" it was; something wrong with this picture. Repeated probation is not the answer; maybe some laws need to be changed, and the sentence handed down needs to follow what the law calls for. (This is an issue that could be debated indefinitely at this point.) "

what?? wrote on Jan 7, 2008 8:13 AM:

" Ohmygoodness, I am not just referring to the shootings. I am referring to people here having nothing to do and as a result they go looking for things to do which can lead to trouble. Obviously you are a conservative that I was talking about who doesn't see the need to change with the times.Things like this are going to be happening more and more when you have a city that doesn't understand the needs of it's citizens. When people don't have options of things to do in a city they will find their own ways to do things. Hanging out places to find out what other people are doing is the only way they can find things to do. "

omygoodness wrote on Jan 6, 2008 10:29 PM:

" I suppose all small rural towns/cities have shootings and fights in gas station areas because there is nothing to do "

omygoodness wrote on Jan 6, 2008 10:28 PM:

" what?????? is a good name for you, cause thats what I said when I read your post. 1st... Saying shootings in a parking lot occur because there is little to do in town for young people is crazy. Thats like saying
a high std rate in a town is relative to what there is to do for teenagers in a town . Second ...read the ages of the victims they are not teenagers , one was 33 . Third..do you also blame two of the victims mile long rap sheet on nothing to do in this town . 3rd .. 4 am was the shooting what is open in any city for young people at 4 am ? I won't even address the ridiculoustheracecard "

what?? wrote on Jan 6, 2008 10:08 PM:

" I have read some of these posts and honestly can not believe how blind some people are. First of all there isn't anything to do in Jefferson City as some of you try to say there is. Jefferson City is a very conservative town and does not like change but let's be realistic, you have to adapt to the times. Teens and adults do not have much to do here. One of the last things for kids to do was the mall and now they can't go there either. Anyone who does not think this is a racial issue is also sadly blind. "

chitown wrote on Jan 6, 2008 9:57 PM:

" One only has to read "oldmans" post to realize that for lawbreakers to get to court, they have have to be arrested and charged. Our police department certainly aren't turning them loose. As for racial overtones, someone will always toss out this tried and true excuse and pc reminder our way, when we concentrate on criminals they support. Get used to it, its the world we live in. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 6, 2008 5:51 PM:

" Maybe the jails would be a little less crowded if they were cold, damp, and dangerous. If spending time in jail was a very uncomfortable hell on earth, maybe less people would do things that might put them there. Make jail time a painful, cruel punishment and see if the offenses go down.

Jail isn't so bad if you get three hot meals a day, a clean warm bed, good healthcare, books and magazines, exercise time and weight machines, and have visitors. "

blkpag1 wrote on Jan 6, 2008 2:52 PM:

" Enforcing the laws can only deter not stop violations. They can only arrest or prosecute someone AFTER they break a law, therefore, they cannot stop someone from breaking the law. This being said this is not protecting but merely reinforcing the fact that if you break a law you will be punished - only a deterrent not protection. "

omygoodness wrote on Jan 6, 2008 2:47 PM:

" old man is right, I shake my head at the the circuit court sections in paper , I see that the same consequences are given for similar actions, but the fact that many of these people have commited 6 crimes and stil get probation is beyond me, I guess this must have something to do with our crowded jails with more serious offenders. "

oldman wrote on Jan 6, 2008 11:45 AM:

" JC Native wrote " Laws must be tough enough that they offenders do not want to face being in that position again." Folks, go back to the 1/3/08 NT and look at the Circuit Court actions. The laws are there, the PUNISHMENT FOR BREAKING THEM is what's lacking. Possess/sell cocaine - 5yrs probation. Possess meth/drive while revoked - 3yrs probation, but simply possessing meth gets you 5yrs - STILL ONLY PROBATION. Possess meth w/intent to distribute and DWI, 5yrs probation. Where's some serious JAIL TIME to get this garbage off the street? And sweetea - sorry, I didn't see any racial overtones until you mentioned them unless online already pulled them. Garbage is garbage. "

JC Native wrote on Jan 6, 2008 11:44 AM:

" blkpag1 - Enforcing laws most definitely does protect us! Yes, "SERVE AND PROTECT" and they do a fantastic job of doing this. Laws must be enforced or they would not be beneficial...Amen! "

spelchek wrote on Jan 6, 2008 10:12 AM:

" I like the headline of this story. It makes me think of police snipers on the Break Time roof accross the street zeroing in on the troublesome crowd. "

blkpag1 wrote on Jan 5, 2008 9:10 PM:

" I agree that the law enforcement here is top notch. However, you have to realize that they have no legal duty to provide public services like protect citizens, only enforce laws. If you don't want it like Columbia then individual citizens are going to have to stand up and protect themselves. "

mawride wrote on Jan 5, 2008 8:20 PM:

" The one thing we do not want to be is another Columbia Mo, where all types of Home Break in's and what not are happening now. OUR JCPD is an excellent crew of Men and Women who protect and serve as we as our Cole County Sherrife's Dept. They may be stretched thin at times but they will come to your aid if needed, as well as our JC Fire Dept and CRMC Ambulance Crews!!! Be Proud JC of our Law Enforcement and Emergency Crews!!!!!! They are there for You and Me!!! "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 5, 2008 5:34 PM:

" Why do their cars say "to serve and protect"? "

blkpag1 wrote on Jan 5, 2008 11:51 AM:

" It is not the duty of law enforcement to protect anyone! They are not here for protection, only enforce laws. "

JC Native wrote on Jan 5, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Laws must be tough enough that they offenders do not want to face being in that position again. Not that I have all of the answers but this could be a start. We need to back our L.E. Officers; you never know when you may just need their protection! Be kind to them and thank them for the great job they are doing in this tough world. (Hey, there are exceptions in all professions so we need to get over that; lets talk about majority since that's what makes the major difference.) "

JC Native wrote on Jan 5, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Hats off to ALL of our Law Enforcement employees; they do a great job! Unless you have been very close to L.E. life, you probably don't realize or understand even half of what goes on and how things are done; what you "see" is not always the total picture. I was married for many, many years to a LE Officer. They have a very hard/dangerous job and yes, they are underpaid! They have done a fantastic job of protecting our city/state. Unfortunately, too often the criminal just gets their hands slapped, turned loose to be a repeat offender. IF the laws were made stiffer and enforced, it would help tremendously. A little "jail visit" is just not effective...for..most "

billyray111 wrote on Jan 5, 2008 8:31 AM:

" 1957 writes that the goverment can stop drugs from coming into this country if it really wanted to.Sorry , but it cant with the current laws on the books that they would have to use.Jail time is not the answer on this one.If you want to stop the drug use you have to kill the demand for it.If we would take all of the drugs that our law officers confiscate and lace with a drug so deadly that it would kill you within 30 seconds after it was taken,put it on the street,than you would see the drug trade come to a stop.Now you know that the govermant wouldnt or couldnt ever do that.I hate to say it but the drugs are here to stay. "

1957 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 5:46 PM:

" Ok Let us be realistic in our saying and thoughts the DRUGS can be stopped if the Govt. really wants it to!!! We have put a man on the moon cured Polio 1 of the deadliest diseases to hit mankind,damn near cured the common cold created the Internet and you mean to tell me we cannot stop drugs from coming across our borders,Poppycock!! You that allow this contagion to seep into our neighborhoods know who you are. You will be EXPOSED eventually. Once you all stop the flow then and only then will we get our children,families and lives back. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 5:25 PM:

" whoops chi - perspective, sorry. "

loudeyes wrote on Jan 4, 2008 2:53 PM:

" I'm not sure how I feel about that comment wow. When I was younger I would "hang out" on the blvd. It honestly was innocent at the time. We just sat and waited for our friends so we could get together and go find a creek to swim in or find SOMETHING to do. But...times change. It seems to me that a lot of kids now are angry and violent and go out looking for trouble. Its sad that the parents feel so hopeless that they have just given up. As far as the kids go, they need somewhere to be like a community center. The adults who are out acting the way they do need to be somewhere too...jail. "

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wow wrote on Jan 4, 2008 1:58 PM:

" Momom123...you are right, it's not about race, but experience has shown me that drugs, alcohol, guns, illegal activity and hangin out are all associated with each other. Therefore the rational conclusion is that unless proven other wise. Drugs, guns and various other illegal activity are also prominent in the crowds who gather in the parking lot's of Hasting,
K-Mart and most other places. Believing otherwise isn't being realistic. I'd love to be wrong on this, but we both know that's not the case. Stay safe. "

momom123 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 1:18 PM:

" to leave. Again another winning effort by JCPD! Second my family and I should not have to move anywhere. This used to be a quiet place to raise a family. It is the drug dealers and the thugs that should have to find a new town to conduct buisness, I hear that JCCC has a nice yard for them to play in. This is our town not theirs, they should be the ones to move out!! "

momom123 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 1:16 PM:

" Sweet Tea- I do not know do I care what the race of the people involved in this situation is. I know what you are talking about when it comes to the kids hanging out on Hasting and Kmart parking lots. First of all these are not people with guns and drugs, these are kids with two much time on their hands and not enough to do. However these kids do cause problems, I used to be a department manager at Kmart and the employee cars were contantly getting scratched and hit. We just got to the point where, when we would look outside and see the cars we would just call the police. All they would do is drive through and ask them... "

sweetea wrote on Jan 4, 2008 1:10 PM:

" then move to the country but no matter where you live there isn't a gurantee that , that place is safe either. There reason you don't here about those places is because there isn't any so law enforcement in those places. "

sweetea wrote on Jan 4, 2008 1:08 PM:

" I don't like the racial overtone I am reading on this site. When you all say these people - what people are you talking about? There are times I pass on the Blvd and I see kids sitting in the Dollar General parking lot and on the Hasting parking lot and I never here anyone say these people or these kids shouldn't be there. One thing I have always been taught -- you can't live your life in fear of what someone is going to do to you. If you are afraid to get out of your car at night then don't go out at night. If you are afraid to let your children play outside because of a stray bullet- "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:28 PM:

" sandflea - yea, thats the same guy I am referring to (I believe). The disc jokey, "Barney Fife". "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:27 PM:

" Very interesting prospective Chi....thanks. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:25 PM:

" 1957 - well, thanks but "ugh". Couldn't deal with it. The city council members have been know to fight all of the time. One of them slapped the other one on camera. I consider myself a bit more mature than that. But hey, thanks for the vote of confidence. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:17 PM:

" gas stations at 4 am are very aware of the situation. Even if they are "innocent" of the actions around them, they know about it and are willing to expose themselves to it as well as take the chance that it could happen to them. This is not a case of "there is nothing to do in JC" that is espoused by youth. These are adults that have cars and can go anywhere they wish. They go there because we as a community let them. Honestly, as long as they stay there I say let them all shoot each other all night long. "

Citizen-JC wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:14 PM:

" Boscoe, people that conduct criminal activity now will STILL conduct criminal activity after we have community centers, conference halls, recreation centers, casinos, etc. They are involved in criminal activities because they LIKE IT. These are not mis spent youths acting out. They are young budding criminals looking to expand their criminal record. You are right about one thing though, we do need a center for them. Infact we have one, it is called JAIL and we need to put them in it. Lets get this straight for all who think otherwise, anyone at those...cont. "

Boscoe wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:05 PM:

" "It seems to me that we, as a city, should come up with an alternative for the people who prowl at night. Like maybe some kind of center or hall or something, with activities during the night. There are those who work evening shifts and need safe recreation during their time off. " SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER VOTE FOR A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER / CONFERENCE CALL. "

1957 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 11:17 AM:

" Helo boxergal ,put together a platform ,you might be the next Mayor!! "

chitown wrote on Jan 4, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Police Departments always reflect the community they serve (work for). They are a direct reflection of what the community wants enforced (if any) and what they dont. Civilian governments control and dictate policy to the police and they can always fire or demote whom they chose, regardless. There is also a vested interest in keeping salaries low and opposition muted, because there is always some in line for the job. This is how the less qualified gets chosen. This is even more true of Sheriff's Departments. Not a criticism, just the way it is. The best way to understand this is to simply to watch episodes of COPS from different sections of the country. They just dont all work the same. "

sandflea wrote on Jan 4, 2008 11:04 AM:

" I can understand why you would be frustrated with the HSPD. I've never had to deal with them or any of their officers. The only thing I've ever heard was that an officer was let go for negligently discharging a firearm. I would think there would be a lot of chances for HSPD to be proactive. I think you should run for mayor! "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Hey Chi - I would appreciate any stats you can dig up on the HS police dept. Salary, etc. I have said for years I would love to run for Mayor but then again, do I need that headache? I love living here but this town frustrates the heck out of me with their nonchalant attitude. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 10:47 AM:

" sandflea - you know, I sure wouldn't want the job of a police officer. But I have common sense and thats whats frustrating in our area. You have speeders, you get your .... out and patrol. And in the process you catch people that may have drugs in the car or are driving intoxicated. Thats why I think the JC force must be doing a pretty good job. I see them out all of the time patroling and checking on business'. You sure don't see that here. And again, I sure wouldn't want to do it for a living nowadays. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 10:41 AM:

" con't - there was one guy on the force here years ago that was a radio disc jokey. Oh yea, thats a qualification. Needless to say, he was made fun of and call Barney Fife. Again, very frustrating and I will trade JC any day of my life for their force. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 10:40 AM:

" By the way Chi - one of the guys was a castoff from the JC police dept. I will never forget how mad I was when they let these druggies go. This policeman had the nerve to lunge at me when I suggested that something be done. I made the fatal mistake of pointing a finger at him and telling him I wasn't going to stand for it. God forbid. Thats when I lost respect totally. So I am wondering if we just get the castoffs here. I had the opportunity to talk to a new gentleman on the force and was very impressed with him so maybe things have changed. And by the way, there was one... "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 10:29 AM:

" No, Holts Summit. And I have posted before the nighmare we had with some of the ex force here. Nightmare. Good old boy nightmare where they let someone go because they knew them. Well, as you can guess I stirred up a stink by writing letters and complaining so a couple were let go. The new force is a lot better, nice young gentlemen. I know they probably don't pay much here but honestly, they don't do much. Or at least not in my area. And you are right, city hall probably plays a big part in what they do and don't do. "

sandflea wrote on Jan 4, 2008 10:21 AM:

" A lot of the higher paying departments in the state require at least 60 hours of college. I don't know how the breakout would be considering that the cost of living is usally higher as well. And it has long been said that being a police officer is the only job where people think they can do it better than the trained peace officer. "

chitown wrote on Jan 4, 2008 10:04 AM:

" BG - I take it your residence is not in JC? Dont have stats on Lincoln but dont believe very many are with JCPD. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 10:03 AM:

" momo - I guess you never know about the jobs police do until you experience do you? I know people look at me like I have a third eye when I tell them what we went through in HS. Frustrating. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Chi - Yea, I didn't want to argue in here (what me?) but I know some have criminal justice degrees. Lincoln churns out a lot of criminal justice students, some go on to be policeman, some go onto investigative work. We will trade you all any day for your police force. We can't get ours to patrol, come out or even leave the darned station. Like I said, my son had a minor disturbance in his neighborhood (JC) and the police nipped it right away. Again, swap you all any day. "

chitown wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:50 AM:

" For those of you interested in salary - The city council has set the JCPD starting starting for a new patrolman at approximately $300 per month less than a starting MSHP Trooper. This salary gap can be significantly closed based on an officer's education, training, and experience. JCPD ranks in the upper third for salaries of a city its size. MSHP slightly lower for states. JCPD is not the highest paid law enforcement agency in the state nor is MSHP. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:29 AM:

" It’s just a shame we didn’t have enough cops available to “lock down” the lot, search for guns, and drugs and charge them accordingly. Three strikes indeed! Maybe a ordinance to allow impromptu searches for contraband or unlawfully possessed firearms at those public places when crowds gather? It’s against the law (as far as I know) for anyone under the influence of drugs or alcohol to posses a loaded gun, permit or not, anywhere anytime. "

chitown wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:26 AM:

" It takes approximately a year to process a police officer for hiring in this city, to ensure that the best candidates are hired. Staff shortages constantly exist. The academy is another 4-5 months. JCPD candidates consistenly score higher than all other recruits in hiring and the academy. Their training is constant and ongoing, the vast majority have degrees in law enforcement or advanced degress. There is a core of veterans with many years of experience which is passed on to the the younger officers. The pay is not what it should be but the dedication is. A minimum amount per shift cant work miracles. If you have an axe to grind and hate them, logic and truth wont change your mind. "

sandflea wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:21 AM:

" Perhaps the clerk on duty could be proactive as opposed to reactive when it comes to groups loitering in the lot. The JCPD does an outstanding job in my opinion, and they may be short staffed and not have the resources to respond immediately. Having a police officer in the lot just to stop the loitering wont work. The groups will go elsewhere, and the PD will be tying up resources. "

momom123 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:18 AM:

" I just wish this town could be what our parents and grandparents wanted it to be, a quiet nice place to raise a family. I would like for my kid to be able to ride his bike outside without fear of a stray bullet hitting him from one of our dear sweet local gang bangers who have nothing better to do with their time than shoot each other. It's called get a JOB or lock them up in cages and throw away the key. "

momom123 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:15 AM:

" I really think people watch too many Hallmark movies about the hero cop who can't get his city to back him! I think the statement is right whoever said we get what we pay for. JCPD is one of the lowest paid police departments in Missouri, therefore we get the rent a cops that barely pass the academy. Whoever thinks JCPD does their job needs to come spend a couple of days in my neighborhood. As for our city council they are too stupid to know anything about crime, all they are worried about is how they can spend our tax dollars to bring more people to JC, quess what people more people to JC means more drug dealers and more crime. "

Boomer wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:00 AM:

" The JCPD does a great job. Especially considering they are often used throughout Cole county to back up the Sheriffs Department. That’s because Cole County doesn’t have enough Deputies to allow more than one or two on duty on the late shift for the entire County. JCPD helps out in Russleville, Wardsville Eugene, and everywhere else countywide. So now you can understand why JCPD can’t always be at a gas station here in town because they also have to help out the Cole County Sheriffs department too. "

lnz1084 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 8:43 AM:

" The people there were there just lotering and hanging out. That is the spot to go after the bars close. I know from firsthand experience. And also to put all blame on the police is wrong, What are they suppose to do when the parking lots at the gas stations is so packed full of cars and people they can barely get around. I really dont know what can be done to solve this. Its unfair to expect the gas station to close also. The police only get called or show up when its too late to control the crowds. There should be police there before the crowds form to keep them moving. Something needs to change. "

chitown wrote on Jan 4, 2008 8:28 AM:

" The issue of responsibility here lays with the city administration. They have the power to resolve this issue, but the action would be politically incorrect and the cries of racism would abound. To blame the police is naive and presents a lack of knowledge of the problem. The fact that you have a criminal record, or a driving record, had a bad relationship with a cop, or just hate police, doesn't warrant criticism of them here. You can bet our police force here knows how to resolve this issue and aren't being allowed to. Dont forget that civilian government controls police action. You cant reasonably expect the small number of police on duty at a given time to control these riots. City council! "

momom123 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 8:06 AM:

" Jailbailer- the people who were involved in this incident were not just people getting off work and needing a place to hang out. I have been to this gas station on night when my husband and I were coming back from out of town and needed gas. As a regular customer, I was afraid to even get out of my car. These people were there to conduct a buisness, a buisness that is getting us God fearing, hard working people just a little upset about protecting our town. "

jailbailer1 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 6:31 AM:

" As a business person who deals with the jcpd on a daily basis, i would like to disagree with the post about the cops who just "sit there". I'm sure there are a few that do that, just like in any profession or job situation. There's always someone who doesn't like to work. Our police force is well trained and capable. The great majority of them are hard working and fair. It seems to me that we, as a city, should come up with an alternative for the people who prowl at night. Like maybe some kind of center or hall or something, with activities during the night. There are those who work evening shifts and need safe recreation during their time off. "

bikerider992001 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 5:26 AM:

" This area of stadium has been a questionalble area for years. The police say that they are trying to get a hold on it but yet, they are never there? why? I think that jefferson city needs to put more responsible police officers on the streets and they need alot more training in how to deal with this type of crime. I dont think they are afraid of the confrontation, they are just undertrained in dealing with large crowds. Just wait until lincolns homecoming and watch how bad the are gets. Lets put Mark Edwards and a crew on it I'll bet it would get undercontrol then. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 3, 2008 8:02 PM:

" Inz1084 - I like to know if these people that cause trouble have a past. And I agree with what someone else said, what the heck are they doing out on the streets? That makes me feel REAL safe. "

spelchek wrote on Jan 3, 2008 7:48 PM:

" Birds of a feather flock together. "

lnz1084 wrote on Jan 3, 2008 7:01 PM:

" JCPD does sit there, I know for a fact. But thats all they do is sit there. "

lnz1084 wrote on Jan 3, 2008 7:00 PM:

" boxergal I agree with they way it was written, giving the casenet Info. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 3, 2008 5:53 PM:

" News Tribune - I like the way this was written. I like the fact that the casenet info was given. "

boxergal wrote on Jan 3, 2008 5:50 PM:

" ctygirl - I find this odd too. My kid put in a call to the police a couple of weeks ago and they came right out on a call that involved a minor problem. Maybe there is some fear? Breaking up big fights would be dangerous to say the least. But again, thats their job. "

ctygrl4ever wrote on Jan 3, 2008 5:42 PM:

" We've been through this debate before people....and it seems our police force is still allowing...yes...I said it...ALLOWING...this to continue....we know who they are (not kids...ADULTS)..we know where they are.....we know what time of the night these things happen....are we to believe that the JCPD are so busy at 4 am that they can't send a car or two to this area....sounds like to me the business owner is the only one who is discussing stonger security measures....maybe the JCPD should take a lesson....
And don't give me the "we're busy covering the city" argument...we are not St. Louis or even Columbia....obviously you're not working on cleaning up the drug areas in town...everyone knows where that is and that they are still operating...we are not stupid... "

omygoodness wrote on Jan 3, 2008 4:30 PM:

" heck no they are not cooperating they do buisness with their assailants, probably even freinds that disagreed and one had to show his colors or be denounced as being soft to his other buddies . If all stay out of jail they will eventually do buisness again. Ratting out someone in this scenario is a death sentence whether it be by the assailant or their buddies "

lnz1084 wrote on Jan 3, 2008 4:19 PM:

" Im sure there are a number of reasons why they wont cooperate........duh. Come on what do u really think this is about. "


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